Reply to “Independent Media as Mouthpiece for Centers of Power”

Mr. Kim Petersen, the co-editor of Dissident Voice, writes a critique of my recent interview with Lawrence Wilkerson. I’m afraid Mr. Petersen overlooks my actual questions.

For example he writes: “The TRNN story presents as fait accompli that North Korea fired a missile that sank a South Korean navy ship. The viewing public, however, is presented no definitive evidence to examine? Has TRNN not learned from previous US lies — for example, about Iraqi WMD — to be skeptical of US statements?

Let’s establish first of all that this was an interview with Wilkerson, not a news report or a piece of analysis authored by myself. Wilkerson is not presented as a journalist but as the former Chief of Staff to Colin Powell. It’s obvious that he presents his own opinions and not those of TRNN.

I questioned Wilkerson repeatedly about the veracity of his claim that the North Korean’s were responsible. Here are a few of my questions:

JAY: And how do we know that it’s a torpedo? How do we know that the North did it? People are assuming this.

JAY: Now, why would the North do this? The North is denying it. They’re saying that this is being done to facilitate the reelection of the South Korean prime minister. The South has returned by re-designating the North as its main enemy, which—apparently it dropped that phrase a few years ago.

JAY: But why cause a provocation at such a level …

Mr. Petersen writes: Jay asked why would North Korea commit such a horrendous act. Notably, Jay did not pose another question: why would anyone else do it? Thus he omitted other possibilities, such as a false flag?

Petersen neglects to inform his readers that one of my questions was precisely that:

JAY: Is there anyone that gains if war breaks out on the Peninsula? Who’s got to gain from this?

WILKERSON: I can’t find anyone who gains.

JAY: I mean, if you go back to Richard Perle’s book, Perle actually wrote that he thought that the US troops should pull back to the south of South Korea and encourage South Korea to take on and get rid of North Korea.

Doesn’t this question raise the issue Petersen says I omitted?

Petersen writes:

TRNN allows demonization of North Korea: Wilkerson calls it an “Al Capone country” and a “bankrupt regime.” It is a well-known axiom that people in glass houses should not cast stones. Therefore, if North Korea is a bankrupt regime, what of Wilkerson’s own country’s regime? Is the Obama regime above being described as a “bankrupt regime”? What about the GW Bush regime that Wilkerson served under?

As Mr. Petersen well knows, TRNN has published hundreds of stories that characterize the Bush government as “criminal” and many more that describe the Obama administration as “bankrupt” or words to that affect. In fact, Wilkerson himself has called much of what Bush/Cheney did was criminal (as you will see in an upcoming series of interviews with Wilkerson on Cheney). I don’t think we need to make these points every time another country is discussed or critiqued.

On the day following the publishing of this story, we ran a Al Jazeera debate that included Bjornar Simonsen of the Korean Friendship Association, who said the charges against North Korea were speculation and raised doubts about the evidence that had been presented by the South. He also discussed China’s not condemning North Korea over the sinking of the ships.

In March of last year, TRNN presented a story titled “The cost of empire” which reports on the role of the US military base in South Korea. In this piece we say,

FREESTON: Since that time, North Korea has gone on to announce that it can no longer guarantee the safety of South Korean commercial flights in its airspace. For its part, North Korea claims it is only responding to what it believes to be the region’s real provocative act, March’s US-led war games, an exercise North Korea has condemned as a rehearsal for invasion.

One can always do better, and I think some of the issues Petersen raises are fair enough. It would have been better if I had challenged some of Wilkerson’s cold war assumptions more vigorously. We will do more on the North Korean story in the coming days and attempt to provide a fuller picture of the situation.

I should add this. When Petersen writes that North Korea is simply a ‘socialist country’, a la Cuba, he may lead his readers to assign a level of rationality to a leadership that might not be worthy of it. I would be more likely to label it a ‘xenophobic cult-of-personality in the midst of a catastrophic economic failure’.”

Paul Jay is the CEO and Senior Editor of Independent World Television and The Real News Network. Read other articles by Paul, or visit Paul's website.

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  1. bozh said on June 4th, 2010 at 8:38am #

    Jay uses words like “catastrophic”, “cult of personality” and “xenophobic” for n.korea. I do not know wheether he intimates that most or ?all n.koreans think thus or just its ruling party.
    I do not what is catastrophic ab a society where everybody earns ab equal pay; which automaticly removes many ills: envy, anger, hatred, etc.

    And, of course, pictures of tito, queens, prezs never ever hung on walls or exalted to having supernatural strengths-minds-honesty.
    We see here yet another tu qu0 que attitude. {this one like that one}
    is there a nation that abhors or devalues other cultures as much as does americanism or jewishness: the mother-child of all xenophobia?
    And had not every prez been godhead when dealing with C, D, E, F, and ghi people and peoples?

    What does he think “god bless america mean”? can one find a more abhorent saying? I cannot! How ab “the greatness of america”? It’s scary! As much as “deutschland ueber alles”. tnx
    I am glad he said that. I now know what he stands for! tnx

  2. hayate said on June 4th, 2010 at 12:39pm #

    Jay cant resist ending his lengthy obfuscation with maasa’s propaganda line:

    “I should add this. When Petersen writes that North Korea is simply a ’socialist country’, a la Cuba, he may lead his readers to assign a level of rationality to a leadership that might not be worthy of it. I would be more likely to label it a ‘xenophobic cult-of-personality in the midst of a catastrophic economic failure’.”

    That piece was one of the most pathetic responses to criticism I’ve seen in a while. He takes a point made by Peterson, claims it’s false, then provides evidence showing Peterson was essentially correct.

    Obviously, jay chose his words carefully in this response:

    “TRNN has published hundreds of stories that characterize the Bush government as “criminal” and many more that describe the Obama administration as “bankrupt” or words to that affect.”

    Even when he tries to show he’s “tough on the politicos”, he cant resist using words that make the obama regime, the current one, the one that matters to massa now, look less rotten. So they’re not criminal, just bankrupt. Well now, good thing they are not criminal like the bushies, we might have to oppose them in a stronger way. The piece is peppered with weasel tactics like this. The main criticism of Petersen was jay provided a lengthy podium for the israeloamerican propaganda corps to bash North Korea, while leaving the opposing views out. The fact he asked the mouthpiece a few “tough” questions is meaningless as jay didn’t follow up, and he didn’t challenge the answers, another important point Petersen made that jay tried to obfuscate here.

    When jay had on Engdahl talking about the israeloamerican “color revolution” regime change attempt against Iran, jay was very oppositional. He interrupted Engdahl, attacked Engdahl’s view and constantly repeated the zionist lies as facts. With wilkerson, jay did none of this. Why? Because wilkerson promoted the israeloamerican propaganda about North Korea, jay didn’t have to attack his views, they were what he’s paid to promote. Engdahl, on the other hand, was exposing the israeloamerican propaganda as the lies it is, so naturally, jay attacked his exposure with more propaganda lies. Just like the goebbels disciples like beck, etc. do on american television when their guest’s pov doesn’t fit with that of the corporate establishment/zionist propaganda machine. Watching jay and Engdahl in that interview was like watching spitzer and Greenwald in the recent spitzer show on the israeli war crime against the Gaza aide flotilla, with jay in the role of spitzer.

    Paul jay is a salesman for the israeloamerican corporate/guv establishment working to preserve the status quo who is posing as a progressive.

  3. Rehmat said on June 4th, 2010 at 12:43pm #

    How does one know that incident was not a false flag operation? The US and Israel have long list of even worst false flag operations at Sea – for example USS Liberty and USS Cole.

    There is no honest journalism in the West. It’s mosly what is called “jingoism”.

    http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2009/06/09/journalism-vs-zionist-jingoism/

  4. Deadbeat said on June 4th, 2010 at 2:50pm #

    bozh writes …

    Jay uses words like “catastrophic”, “cult of personality” and “xenophobic” for n.korea. I do not know whether he intimates that most or ?all n.koreans think thus or just its ruling party. I do not what is catastrophic ab a society where everybody earns ab equal pay; which automatically removes many ills: envy, anger, hatred, etc.

    Excellent insight. I didn’t know this about N. Korea.

  5. lamella said on June 4th, 2010 at 3:04pm #

    Yeah, I’m sure there’s no envy, anger or hatred in North Korea…*rolls eyes*

    Maybe they’re just a little bit angry about the decades-long food shortage and consequent rationing. And don’t act like the shortage is some sort of Western media myth- it’s their own government that has been requesting massive food aid anyway they can get it, from South Korea included.

  6. bozh said on June 4th, 2010 at 3:49pm #

    Lamella,
    I am doubtful that koreans don’t know how to grow vegetables, fruit trees, crop and keep pigs, chickens, ducks, etc.

    Remember how private media wld only show fat or rotund peasant russian women? And ?all amers thinking what?
    Or how much russians were ridiculed, belittled, and demonized by the media?

    Recall ab ur starry sisters who wear $5k dresses and $20 worth of jewelry at the academy awards? How sisterly are they to their sisters who wear $20 pants.
    U don’t think poor sisters are envious, ashamed, angry, etc?
    OK! May be that they are that much rendered blind that they have no ability
    to think for selves!
    But, damn it, i am sure they wld like to have a nanny even for one day! tnx

  7. lamella said on June 4th, 2010 at 4:56pm #

    “I am doubtful that koreans don’t know how to grow vegetables, fruit trees, crop and keep pigs, chickens, ducks, etc.”

    I’m likewise doubtful that most poor Africans don’t know how to grow crops or keep a few farm animals around. And yet for various local and geopolitical reasons they can’t, and don’t make enough to feed their families, and so they’re in the midst of a famine and in need of food aid. But by your logic they should be pretty well off since they possess agricultural know-how. Similarly just because individual North Koreans might know how to manage a small farm doesn’t mean they’re able to feed themselves in a regimented economy like North Korea’s.

    As for the rest of your post…I’ll leave it to someone else to decipher stream of consciousness in txt speak.

  8. bozh said on June 4th, 2010 at 6:27pm #

    Lamella,
    If it wasn’t for darkest afrikans who adapted for survival with what was there, neither u nor i wld be here. They survived because they knew how to obtain food.
    With intrusion of whites and disruption of their millennial adaptation to mother nature-god for survival, they, i am told, do not survive {live} as well now. But they were surviving for eaons prior to the invasion of whites and their imposition on them of their own survival for life.

    We saw that happen to indigenes all over the planet. In americas, the rich life of zunis, hopis, lakotahs, et al, living in a society sans laws, government, taxes, armies, police; guided and tutored by their timocratic elders, they were much richer in safety, gregariousness, caring-sharing, security than the their ‘superior’ nations.
    BTW, they never ever saw a pill, took drugs or drank whiskey.
    But once their millenial culture and system of governance had been uttelry destroyed and being decimated, expelled from their lands, guess what hapened?

    But lamella, dear being made in america, one teaches americanism or if s/he’s jewish then s/he teaches jewishness. Sittingbull, if he wld be around, wld teach salishness, hopishness, squamishness.
    And guess which class u and which one i wld attend? As i said before, everybody is right by own knowledge.
    U, too, are right. I am not calling u names. I grant u that right to act on ur knowledge!

    Well, since i told my wife that she’s a small head and me a big head, and that small head shld never argue with the big head, guess what happened?
    Well, just what lamella is doing to me. Oh lamella, dsont be cruel. i am a songwriter, wld u like to get one of my CDs?

    U know why i argue with god? Because he or she’s a big head and i am a small head; and she can’t get me to shut up. So i understand u! Besides, u’r always right. Kid, enjoy it!
    Btw, are u for sale or on sale? Desperately waiting for good tidings. spasibo.
    Love from bozhidarevski!