Western Progressive Opinion: Bring on the Victims! Condemn the Fighters!

We know in some detail of the willing and gratuitous support, which tens of millions of American citizens have bestowed on the White House and Congressional perpetrators of crimes against humanity. The Clinton Administration was freely re-elected in 1996 after deliberately imposing a starvation embargo on Iraq and mounting a relentless, unopposed bombing campaign on that devastated country for four straight years, leading to the documented deaths of over 500,000 children and countless more vulnerable adults. The majority of US citizens re-elected Bush after he launched wars which caused the deaths of over a million Iraqi civilians, scores of thousands of Afghanis, thousands of Pakistanis, and after he gave full support to Israel’s murderous attacks on Palestinian civilians and the blockade of vital food, water and fuel to the occupied territories, not to mention the frequent bombing of Lebanon and Syria, which culminated, during Bush’s second term, in the horrific Israeli bombing campaign of Lebanese cities and villages killing thousands of civilians. We know this brutality received the unconditional support of the Presidents of the 52 Major American Jewish Organizations and their thousands of affiliated community groups (totaling over one million members). We know that for each and every Israeli assassination of a Palestinian, each dispossession of Palestinians from their land and homes and the uprooting of their orchards, vineyards and the poisoning of their wells, there is a systematic campaign here to obliterate our democratic freedom of speech and assembly – especially our right to publicly condemn Israel and expose its agents operating among US power brokers.

Through hard experience the majority of the American public has come to recognize the pitfalls of militarism and is slowly coming to realize the profound threats posed by the entrenched Zionist Power Configuration to our ‘four freedoms’.

That is all to the good. However, these advances in public opinion have been far from sufficient. The American public has just elected a new president who promises to escalate the imperialist military presence in Afghanistan and fill key posts in his regime with known militarists and Zionists from the previous regime of President ‘Bill’ Clinton.

What has escaped public notice is the almost complete disappearance of the peace movement and its absorption into the pro-war Democratic Party electoral machine of President-Elect Barack Obama. Likewise, the vast majority of US ‘progressive’ opinion-makers embraced, with occasional mild reservations, the Obama candidacy and, in effect, became part of the ‘broad coalition’ joining hands with billionaire Zionist zealots and Wall Street financial swindlers, Clintonite ‘humanitarian’ militarists, impotent millionaire trade union bureaucrats and various and sundry upwardly mobile ‘minority’ politicians and vote hustlers. Whether progressives were intoxicated by the empty presidential campaign rhetoric of ‘change’, they willingly sacrificed their most elementary principles at the service of evil (presumably, they would say, to serve the ‘lesser evil’), but no doubt the evils of new imperial wars, complicity with Israel’s colonial savagery and the deepening immiseration of the American people.

The US progressive intellectuals show no such (im)moral scruples when it comes to the anti-imperial resistance movements in Asian (especially in the Middle East), Africa and Latin America.

US Progressives and Third World Resistance Movements

Among the most prominent progressive intellectuals (PPIs) in the US and Europe, writers, bloggers and academics, there is nary a single one who exhibits the same ‘pragmatism’ which they practice in choosing ‘lesser evil’ politicians in the US or Europe, with regard to political choices in highly conflicted countries. Can we find a single PPI who will argue that they support the democratically elected Hamas in Palestine or Hezbollah in Lebanon, or the popularly supported nationalist Muqtada al-Sadr in Iraq, the anti-occupation Taliban in Afghanistan or even the right, recognized under international law, of the Iranian people to the peaceful development of nuclear energy – because, whatever their defects – these are the ‘lesser evil’.

Let us consider the issue in greater detail. PPIs justified their support for Obama on the basis of his campaign rhetoric in favor of peace and justice, even as he voted for Bush’s war budgets and foreign aid programs funding the murder of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, Afghanis, Palestinians, Colombians, Somalis and Pakistanis and the dispossessing and displacement of at least 10 million people from their towns, farms and homes. The very same PPIs reject and refuse to apply the ‘lesser evil’ criteria in support of Hamas, the democratically elected Palestinian administration in the Gaza, which is in the forefront of the struggle against the brutal Israeli colonial occupation because it is ‘violent’ (which means it ‘retaliates against almost daily Israeli armed assaults), seeks a ‘theocratic state’ (similar to the theologically defined ‘Jewish’ state of Israel), represses dissidents (in the form of occasional crackdowns on CIA-funded Fatah functionaries and militias). At best the PPIs take an interest only in the Palestinian victims of Israel’s genocidal embargo of food, water, fuel and medicine; it protests against overt racist assaults by Israel’s colonial Judeo-fascist settlers when they assault school girls on their way to school or elderly farmers in their orchards; they protest the arbitrary and deliberate delays at Israeli military checkpoints, which cause the deaths of acutely ill Palestinians, cancer victims, women in labor, men with heart attacks and people in need of kidney dialysis by preventing them from reaching medical facilities. In other words, the PPIs support the Palestinians as victims but condemn them as fighters who challenge their executioners. The PPIs’s support for victims is a cost-free posture, providing credibility to the ‘progressive’ label; opposition to the fighters assures the establishment that the PPIs’s criticism will not adversely affect the US empire-building and its Israeli allies.

The most outspoken, self-proclaimed progressive ‘libertarians’ and ‘democrats’ in the Western world claim to support national self-determination and oppose imperial conquests, yet they unfailingly reject the real-existing mass popular movements demanding self-determination and leading the struggle against imperial conquest and foreign occupation. Almost without exception, they denounce national resistance movements for not fitting their preconceived notions of perfect justice, peaceful tolerance and secular, democratic principles, which their idea of a resistance movement should embody. Yet the PPIs do not impose such criteria in advocating support for candidates in their own countries. Hezbollah is flatly rejected as too ‘clerical’ by the PPIs, but British progressives supported Tony Blair, the leader of the Labor Party and his role as bloody accomplice to Clinton, Bush, Sharon and a whole host of servile puppet regimes in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia and elsewhere.

In terms of military aggression – and deaths, loss of limbs and homes – the ‘lesser evil’ Democrats and European Social Democrats and Center-Left politicians have a far worse record that the Taliban, Hezbollah, Hamas and Sadrist forces. More to the point, the living conditions and safety of the vast majority of the people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon and Somalia – by any standard – were vastly better under the independent if authoritarian rule of Saddam Hussein, the clerical Taliban in Afghanistan, the Islamic Councils in Somalia than under the US-EU military occupations and client regimes. Some of the PPIs avoid the real and difficult choices by pretending that there are ‘third choices’ just on the horizon in countries currently under imperial and colonial conquest and occupation: They reject the imperial armies and the anti-imperial resistance in the name of abstract progressive libertarian principles. The shameless cant and hypocrisy of their position is clear when the same issue is posed in terms of political choices within the imperial mother country. Here the PPIs have a thousand and one arguments to back one (Obama) of the two major imperial war party presidential candidates; here ‘realism’ and ‘lesser evil’ arguments come to the fore. And what ‘choices’ are made! The same libertarians and democrats who condemn the Taliban for its destruction of ancient religious monuments support Democratic candidates, like Obama, who propose to escalate the US military occupation in Afghanistan and intensify the killing fields in South Asia.

There are profound moral and political dilemmas in making political choices in a world in which destructive imperial wars are led by liberal electoral politicians and vigorously resisted by clerical and secular authoritarian movements and leaders. But the historical record of the past three hundred years is clear: Western parliamentarian imperialism and its contemporary legacy has destroyed and undermined far more lives and livelihoods in far more countries over a greater time span than even the worst of the post colonial regimes. Moreover, the colonial wars, pursued by ‘lesser evil’ electoral regimes and politicians, have had a profoundly destructive impact on the very ‘democratic values’ in the Western countries, which the PPIs profess to defend.


The PPI, by choosing the ‘lesser evil’ – in the most recent instance, supporting Barack Obama – have condemned themselves to political impotence in the making of Washington’s policies and political irrelevance to the struggles for national liberation. Consequential supporters of the millions of victims of Western and Israeli butchery do not live off foundation handouts; they make the difficult (and costly) choice to throw in their lot via solidarity with the resistance fighters. The ‘cost’ to progressive intellectuals in the US, of course, is a drying up of invitations to speak at universities with offers of five-figure honorariums; the ‘benefit’ is self-respect and the dignity that comes from being part of an international anti-imperialist movement.

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  1. bozh said on November 24th, 2008 at 10:14am #

    well, world plutos appear jittery/fedup w. tolerating serfdom for the last few centuries.
    they r now longing for the slavery. which, of course, was always easier to manage than serfdom.
    and which was renamed ‘freedom’ ( words under single quotes r danger words or words w. false symbolic values).
    we all? see that ‘freedoms’ r eroding. or, to put it thusly/ghastly, our serfdom is eroding and segueing into a slavery.
    for some more perceptly than for some others.
    and still for some others, we r “free” . and, we will kill even children to defend our “freedoms”.
    hat zarathustra in diese weise gesprochen? thnx

  2. hermann said on November 24th, 2008 at 11:27am #

    when will you understand that you are not living in a democracy and therefore have no real options in your so called elections!?
    yeah, you can choose between a bunch of nicely dressed puppets (or clowns, whatever you prefer)

    the real problem is, you us-american people does´nt seem to believe and to mind that.

    sorry for being so frankly.

  3. Michael Dawson said on November 24th, 2008 at 12:16pm #

    “The majority of US citizens re-elected Bush…”

    False. Massively false. Bush received 62 million votes. There are 200 million eligible voters in the USA, and 300 million citizens.

    If you’re “advising” the world’s downtrodden, you might try to get the most basic facts right.

  4. Maxwell Black said on November 24th, 2008 at 1:35pm #

    First off, I’d like to nominate Petras as our new Chomsky. Ok.

    Dawson, he’s not “advising” the worlds downtrodden, (they’re already acting in many places) he’s advising us. While you’re correct about the number of US voters, it’s more or less irrelevant to the general subject. What I mean is that anyone reading it would understand what he meant and therefore it does not take anything away from his argument.

    And his argument is sound. Resistance movements are local and obviously reflect the local culture. In places like Iraq or Lebanon the resistance forces are primarily Muslim. Which is irrelevant! The point is that they’re fighting occupiers with whatever (and whomever) they’ve got.

    To bring this home: if a foreign (or domestic!) army ever rolled into my neighborhood the first doors I would knock on would be my heavily armed Christian Republican neighbors. A resistance needs guns and people that are willing and able to use them. A people under occupation often find unlikely solidarity with one another.

    We in the “west” should extend that solidarity ourselves to any movement that stands up for their sovereignty and aspirations by whatever means they deem necessary. Furthermore we should stop allowing our “leaders” to define who our “enemies” are.

  5. bozh said on November 24th, 2008 at 3:18pm #

    i have read ur post. good idea to chuck chomsky. i bought many of his books. i regret it. to me, he is also minizionist+.

  6. Danny Ray said on November 24th, 2008 at 4:52pm #

    To bring this home: if a foreign (or domestic!) army ever rolled into my neighborhood the first doors I would knock on would be my heavily armed Christian Republican neighbors. A resistance needs guns and people that are willing and able to use them. A people under occupation often find unlikely solidarity with one another.

    Mr. Blackwell, please please tell me that the above was a joke.

    Number one, after 30 years of being called the redneck lunatic Christian fringe, and we have been called Neanderthals, and told how we are paranoid, schizophrenic, delusion or all of the above. After 30 to 40 are even 50 years of being demonized by the left. You are going to tell me that you would run to my front door and asked me to help defend your rights.

    Number two, you also have to understand that the prime reason the far right is armed so well is fear of you and what you want to do with this country. Not to mention Being armed to protect ourselves from the thugs that you people seem to want to let out of jail on a regular basis.

    Number three, after 60 years of the far left preaching love and understanding and why can’t we all just get along maybe if an occupying army comes you should just wave a sign at them.

    Number four, and finally to my favorite of these four, you’ve told us for years that we do not need guns or weapons of any kind that there will never be any reason for the people to rise up. And anybody who sees the need for an armed citizenry is a lunatic.

    However, please know that if it ever does get to the point were the constitution is being totally undone, my ignorance lunatic Christian fringe brothers and I will be standing on the firing line, you will not have to knock on our door we will already be out. And as while we’re on the subject we might as well tell you having spent the last year reading this website I can say that I would welcome the help from the types whining slacker individuals I have come into contact with here.

  7. Danny Ray said on November 24th, 2008 at 4:57pm #

    Sorry my team members who are reading this over my shoulder say that #3 was to much of a low blow and to say that I am sorry for it so they can get on here and check their e-mail

  8. Don Hawkins said on November 24th, 2008 at 5:08pm #

    Oh Danny there already is an occupying force among us it’s just that you don’t know it.

  9. Danny Ray said on November 24th, 2008 at 5:40pm #

    Therefore, the elitist Don Hawkins says that this ignorant Christian right-winger is too stupid to know what is good for me. Thank you for proving my point Don.

  10. Don Hawkins said on November 24th, 2008 at 6:39pm #

    The Matrix is a 1999 film about a computer hacker who learns from mysterious rebels about the true nature of his reality and his role in the war against the controllers of it.

    What is the Matrix? Control. The Matrix is a computer-generated dream world built to turn a human being into this. *Holds up a battery*

    Morpheus: The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work, when you go to church, when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.

    Neo: What truth?

    Morpheus: That you are a slave, Neo. Like everyone else you were born into bondage. Born into a prison that you cannot smell or taste or touch. A prison for your mind. Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself.

    This is where you must think for yourself read between the lines. In the coming years no easy answers but answers if you look. Be well Danny.

  11. Maxwell Black said on November 24th, 2008 at 6:50pm #

    Yes! Finally! I haven’t even had hate mail in a few months. I thought I was losing my touch!

    #1-Most of my family are actually rednecks. And many are in fact paranoid, delusional etc. Some are not. But, yes, in the HIGHLY unlikely chance that a foreign army were to storm the streets of Bethesda Md. I suspect that me and my christo-fascist neighbors would probably have to conspire together. But to be honest, I’m personally more afraid of the FBI than any overseas army; not to mention brown shirt minute men types that you probably adore.

    #2-Well if you support racism, sexism, homophobia, ecocide and wage slavery etc. then you should in fact be afraid of what I “want to do to this country.” And if by “thugs” you are referring to petty drug offenders, innocent people of color and all of the activists swooped up in COINTELPRO, the war on drugs, crime terror [sic, sic, sic] all locked in cages, then yes, I want them all released.

    #3-Yes, I’m into love and understanding, but I DO NOT love my enemies. And I’m personally not a pacifist. And as far as “an occupying force” I would take a clue from Don Hawkins above. Meaning you already live in a culture of occupation.

    #4-I’m assuming when you write “you’ve told us for years…” you are referring to something you think of as the “Left’ or Democrats. Well hoss…I ain’t no Democrat! I’m speaking for myself here, not the left. You see, there is a world of difference between say Michael Moore and Ward Churchill!! You feel me? Of course you probably are a lunatic.

    Did I mention I’m not a pacifist?

    And since my tiny barely thought out comment provoked such a response from you, you should read what I read about the constitution you want to defend for me:

  12. Maxwell Black said on November 24th, 2008 at 6:51pm #

    Oops! Above is the link. Have nice read fascists!

  13. Danny Ray said on November 24th, 2008 at 7:16pm #

    Maxwell you should really find an outlet for all that hate . Its going to eat you up someday.

    I read your artical when you had it printed. I did not understand it then so I will not attempt to now.

    And as you probely know the “slave -rapers” who wrote our constitution, left us a way to change it and if you feel strongly enough go ahead and change it.

    Of course you could change it by fire and sword if you have the stones “which I don’t believeyou do ” go ahead and do it. But from the way you sound you ain’t a pimple on Vladimir Nikolayevich’s Ass

  14. Danny Ray said on November 24th, 2008 at 7:21pm #

    P.S I need to let the rest of the audience know I bear no ill will to anyone on the left ( no matter how far left you are)

    Don Hawkins, I have been searching for the answer for all life I am almost half way thru and I havn’t even got all the questions yet. And to you my friend “be well yourself”

  15. Maxwell Black said on November 24th, 2008 at 7:56pm #

    Outlet for my hate? I thought I was full of love and understanding! To tell you the truth I was in a great mood while writing it. You just see it as especially hateful because we love (and hate) different things.

    I don’t fault you for not understanding it. Seriously. Not even my wife got it. It was intended as something of a love song to the radical left, who tend to get thrown under the bus by the mainstream “left”during these “democracy” jubilees called elections. Above all it was meant to spread mischievous smiles not as an instruction manual.

    If those genocidal freaks really did put an escape hatch in the constitution then by all means send me the blueprint! You didn’t mean voting did you?

    For that last thingy there, as far as pimples are concerned: I usually say that I’m not even a pimple on Joe Bageant’s ass (I’ve really said that!) but whatever.

  16. Danny Ray said on November 24th, 2008 at 8:02pm #

    Well then ” and God I hate to say this” PAX MAX

  17. Maxwell Black said on November 24th, 2008 at 8:08pm #

    No need to hate saying it. Peace be with you brother Danny. See how easy it is.

  18. Danny Ray said on November 24th, 2008 at 8:18pm #

    I don’t mind saying peace, I wish the whole world would have it I just hate the bad rhyme

  19. bozh said on November 25th, 2008 at 5:06am #

    constitutions? what the hell r they? additions to and emendention of them, what r they?
    to me, and not a single person has to agree w. me, r interpretative writings.
    the only interpretation that is valid is that of the ruling class.
    a working person, hobo, indian, immigrant, need not apply for the job.thnx

  20. Don Hawkins said on November 25th, 2008 at 6:35am #

    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

    Let’s just take one line promote the general Welfare. The amount of money so far funny money that the United States of America has given to the people in our society that lend to people at interest rates that the mob would think high and then that was not enough so played more funny games with all that funny money and now that the whole of this insanity has come to an end and heck the next best thing socialism for the very people who used the other system and ran it into the ground. This is all being done so they can lend more money and keep people in slavery. Those first three words We The People what can we do? “Think Frank”.

    Frank who is Frank? That would be us. I sure hope that some of you out there are trying to get a few million people in front of the halls of power as so far from this new guy doesn’t look good. We could all change are name to Frank, think Frank. Yes a few million yell Frank at the same time. Do you think we could get an echo down those halls? “Think Frank”. $300 billion to Citigroup, “Hallelujah”

    Now color me crazy but “Think Frank” could just work as a start. Frank communication with the public is essential and as we all know that doesn’t happen because the Frank communication needs to be about the very people who are in control of the communication. Yes it has come to this. We all used to read that this could happen well it has. “Think Frank”.

  21. Michael Dawson said on November 25th, 2008 at 12:01pm #

    Maxwell, a few points of fact:

    1. Petras describes himself as “an adviser to the landless and jobless in Brazil and Argentina.” Aside from the question of where these millions hold there advice-taking meetings, those are his words.

    2. You can dismiss fundamental errors if you wish, but the error exists.

    3. So, you’re saying it makes no difference to say that 62 of 200 or 300 — 31 percent of eligible voters or 16 percent of all citizens — voted for Bush and to say what Petras said? Why?

    4. Chomsky would never, ever publish such a sloppy, erroneous, blanket condemnation of an entire nation. Quite the opposite. Chomsky would spend pages on explaining the difference and its extreme importance.

    Good luck with your guns and your muck-filled mind.

  22. Shabnam said on November 25th, 2008 at 2:32pm #

    Please look at Chomsky’s analysis of the election where influence of Jewish lobby and Zionist individuals on the Middle East and Africa is hidden from American public. There is no mention of the fact that why did the zionist puppet, Obama, gave ‘undivided Jerusalem’ to Israel,
    but white candidates able to refuse to reach to a new low level for the interest of Israel against American interest.

    Accodring to Nader, Jimmy Carter was denied to give speech at the democratic convension because Carter believes Israel is an apartheid state where has stolen Palestinian land through illegal settlements. Obama is a zionist puppet to protect Israel interest in order to become a ‘member.’ He has been supported by wall street corrupt forces and pro zionist war individuals such as Rahm Emmanuel, son of a terrorist and racist, to help Israel to establish ‘the greater Israel,’ where Palestinians are going to be forced out of their land into Jordan. They also want to deny Iran of her rights to enrichment to secure Israel as power of the region through zionist advisor, Dennis Ross, to break Iran’s back by imposing demands where can not be achieved , thus creating chaos by severe economic sanction to starve Iranian children to death, and break up the country, like Iraq where Martin Indyk, a zionist from AIPAC was responsible. Now, north of Iraq is called
    ‘kurdistan’ to give Kurds military training to send them to neighboring countries. The Kurds recently have been caught buying lots of arms from Bulgaria, which is against Iraq constitution. Partition of Iraq was designed by Leslie Gelb, and brought to the senate floor by a self declared zionist, Joe Biden and was supported by war criminals, Chalabi and Kennan Makiya who received a honorary PhD degree in Israel for his services. He attended MIT to stuy architecture, but no graduation date is given, yet he has been made ‘professor’ of middle east at Brandeis University.
    Thanks to professor James Petras and people like him who are exposing the role of zionist agents and their puppets, black and white, to encourage unity against the common enemy, international zionism.

  23. Maxwell Black said on November 25th, 2008 at 5:21pm #

    When it comes to these little Internet dust ups, I’ve found that it’s very much like using Internet porn. Beforehand I get really exited and then immediately after feel dirty and kind of ridiculous! So I’m retiring from comment combat after this response to Dawson.

    First regarding my Chomsky comment. In retrospect it was kind of foolish. In this post-election period of Left on Left cannibalism I really shouldn’t be adding anymore to this tension. Anyone who is interested can go over to Mickey Z’s archives and see a full on left-wing civil war going on in comments in the days after the election.

    I guess my current issue with Chomsky is his stance on Obama which to me (and many others) was incredibly disappointing. Chomsky has always felt like a teacher to me and just like in real life when your favorite professor disappoints it can feel like betrayal. With both Petras and Chomsky as two of our (the Left’s) unofficial elder leaders I just happen find Petras’ stance on issues a little more provocative and more in line with my world view.

    However, since I consider myself in the business of solidarity building my little comment does in fact chip away at my own credibility. What can I say, I’m freaking impulsive!

    Now to go back to where all of this began: my original response to your comment. First of all it was not a personal attack or even an attack at all. In fact after reading it I considered writing a second comment explaining that. And not to kiss your ass or anything but I’ve checked out your website before this little spat and actually enjoyed it.

    That said, I do take issue with your comment. Yes “errors exist” and I will go further: Petras is even more wrong in my opinion because I happen to believe that both Bush elections were stolen. Regardless, that is just a matter of perspective; meaning whether or not one believes the elections were stolen will determine how one interprets the polling data.

    So yes he did make a minor error. My problem is that you seemed to use this one fact to dismiss the credibility of both Petras and his article. And while your criticism is accurate it doesn’t even address (or argue with) the basic thrust of the article. I agree that facts matter, but I’m sure plenty of other articles we read (and write) will have errors, but that doesn’t mean that we should smugly dismiss somebody else’s work based on that. I get the feeling that you are simply not a fan of Petras and (perhaps unknowingly) used a little sophistry to take a swing at his credibility. You could have saved yourself some time and just written, “I think Petras Sucks.”

    If you would like to argue the merits of the article give me a jingle. I happen to think the subject he raised is long overdue. With the exception of Alexander Cockburn a while back, I can’t think of anybody else of his stature bringing it up.

    Now for your more personal shots. I actually don’t own any guns (though I did try to buy a set of Chinese throwing stars in Greece but my wife wouldn’t let me!) The reason I don’t own guns isn’t because I have a problem with gun ownership; it’s because I’m a completely irresponsible spaz! I would probably shoot my freaking foot off or something. Of course, if we took inventory of my families’ guns, we would probably have enough fire power to start a fair sized militia. You probably got a “tough guy” impression from my (embarrassing) macho posturing during my comment combat with Danny. Again, I’m freaking impulsive!

    However, your last comment seemed like an attempt to paint me as some violent “extremist” or something. Well I happen to hate violence. I want to wipe war off the planet (like most people whom congregate here) and I’m even something of a closet utopian! But violence exists. By stating that I’m not a pacifist I’m merely saying that I believe in self-defense in daily life and I see the legitimacy of armed struggle in national liberation movements. I also see the legitimacy of some ecotage and monkeywrenching; though I personally don’t consider these as violence.

    As far as my “muck-filled mind” is concerned: I’ll give that one to you for free! I’ve got the attention span of a kitten and a mind and imagination pulsating with subversive and naughty, naughty dreams and aspirations. Muck-filled indeed! Peace.