The Impending Collapse of Israel in Palestine

On November 15, 1988 the Palestine National Council (P.N.C.) meeting in Algiers proclaimed the Palestinian Declaration of Independence that created the independent state of Palestine. Today the State of Palestine is bilaterally recognized de jure by about 130 states. Palestine has de facto diplomatic recognition from most of Europe. It was only massive political pressure applied by the U.S. government that prevented European states from according to Palestine de jure diplomatic recognition.

Palestine is a member state of the League of Arab States and of the Islamic Conference Organization. When the International Court of Justice in The Hague—the so-called World Court of the United Nations System—conducted its legal proceedings on Israel’s apartheid wall on the West Bank, the World Court invited the State of Palestine to participate in the proceedings. In other words, the International Court of Justice recognized the State of Palestine.

Palestine has Observer State Status with the United Nations Organization, and basically all the rights of a U.N. Member State except the right to vote. Effectively, Palestine has de facto U.N. Membership. The only thing keeping Palestine from de jure U.N. Membership is the implicit threat of a veto at the U.N. Security Council by the United States, which is clearly illegal. Someday Palestine shall be a full-fledged U.N. Member State.

From a world-order perspective, the 1988 Palestinian Declaration of Independence created a remarkable opportunity for peace with Israel because therein the P.N.C. explicitly accepted the U.N. General Assembly’s Partition Resolution 181(II) of 1947 that called for the creation of a Jewish state and an Arab state in the Mandate for Palestine, together with an international trusteeship for the City of Jerusalem, in order to resolve their basic conflict:

Despite the historical injustice inflicted on the Palestinian Arab people resulting in their dispersion and depriving them of their right to self-determination following upon U.N. General Assembly Resolution 181 (1947), which partitioned Palestine into two states, one Arab, one Jewish, yet it is this Resolution that still provides those conditions of international legitimacy that ensure the right of the Palestinian Arab people to sovereignty and national independence.

The significance of the P.N.C.’s acceptance of the Partition Resolution in the Palestinian Declaration of Independence itself could not be over-emphasized. Prior thereto, from the perspective of the Palestinian People the Partition Resolution had been deemed to be a criminal act that was perpetrated upon them by the United Nations Organization in gross violation of their fundamental right to self-determination as recognized by the United Nations Charter and general principles of public international law. The acceptance of the Partition Resolution in their actual Declaration of Independence signaled the genuine desire by the Palestinian People to transcend the past century of bitter conflict with the Jewish People living illegally in their midst in order to reach an historic accommodation with them on the basis of a two-state solution.

The very fact that this acceptance of Partition Resolution 181 was set forth in their Declaration of Independence indicated the degree of sincerity with which the Palestinian People accepted Israel. The Declaration of Independence was the foundational document for the State of Palestine. It was intended to be determinative, definitive, and irreversible. As the P.N.C. well knew at the time, their Declaration of Independence was not something that could be amended or bargained away.

Nonetheless, the Palestinians have now fruitlessly spent the past twenty-two years trying to negotiate in good faith with Israel over the two-state solution set forth in Resolution 181. They have gotten absolutely nowhere. Israel has never demonstrated one iota of good faith when it came to negotiating a comprehensive Middle Peace settlement with the Palestinians on the basis of a two-state solution. Even the 1993 Oslo Agreement was nothing more than an Israeli-drafted interim Bantustan arrangement for five years that was rejected in Washington, D.C. by the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace Negotiations for that precise reason. Both Israel and the United States now want to make the Oslo Bantustan permanent and, incidental thereto, destroy the right of the Palestinian refugees to return to their homes as required by U.N. General Assembly Resolution 194 (III) of 1948 and general principles of public international law.

In this regard, shortly before he died on September 24, 2007, I called up the former Head of the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace Negotiations, Dr. Haidar Abdul Shaffi at his home in Gaza in order to review the entire situation with him. According to Dr. Haidar: “The Zionists have not changed their objectives since the Basel Conference of 1897!” In other words, the Zionists want a “Greater” Israel on all of the Mandate for Palestine together with as much ethnic cleansing of Palestinians out of Palestine that the Zionists believe they can get away with internationally.

After twenty-two years of getting nowhere but further screwed to Israel’s apartheid wall on the West Bank and strangulated in Gaza, it is now time for the Palestinians to adopt a new strategy, which I most respectfully recommend here for them to consider: Sign nothing and let Israel collapse! Recently it was reported that the United States’ own Central Intelligence Agency predicted the collapse of Israel within twenty years. My most respectful advice to the Palestinians is to let Israel so collapse!

For the Palestinians to sign any type of comprehensive peace treaty with Israel would only shore up, consolidate, and guarantee the existence of Zionism and Zionists in Palestine forever. Why would the Palestinians want to do that? Without approval by the Palestinians in writing, Zionism and Israel in Palestine will collapse. So the Palestinians must not sign any Middle East Peace Treaty with Israel, but rather must keep the pressure on Israel for the collapse of Zionism over the next two decades as predicted by the Central Intelligence Agency. The correct historical analogue here is not apartheid South Africa, but instead the genocidal Yugoslavia that collapsed as a State, lost its U.N. Membership, and no longer exists as a State for that very reason.

All the demographic forces are in favor of the Palestinians and against the Zionists. The United States government is tired of its blank-check support for Israel because this policy seriously undermines and conflicts with America’s imperial objective to obtain the oil and gas lying beneath Arab and Muslim states by hook or by crook. Israel is ridden with and paralyzed by so many internal contradictions and conflicts that they are too numerous to list here.

Indeed, from the very moment of its inception as a direct result of the Zionists’ genocidal al Nakba in 1948, Israel has been the proverbial failed state, and still is so today. Israel would have never come into existence without the support of Western colonial imperial powers throughout the twentieth century. And the same is true today. Without the political, economic, diplomatic, and military support provided primarily by the United States, and to a lesser extent by Britain, France, and Germany, Israel would immediately collapse. The international Campaign for Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (B.D.S.) against Israel is quickly whittling away Israel’s domestic support in those countries. Israel’s own serial barbarous atrocities perpetrated against the Palestinians and the Lebanese have revealed the true face of Zionism for the entire world to see: genocide.

In fact, Israel has never been a State but just an Army masquerading as a State — a Potemkin Village of a State. Israel is the archetypal Great Band of Robbers described by St. Augustine in Book 4, Chapter 4 of The City of God:

Kingdoms without justice are similar to robber barons. And so if justice is left out, what are kingdoms except great robber bands? For what are robber bands except little kingdoms? The band also is a group of men governed by the orders of a leader, bound by social compact, and its booty is divided according to a law agreed upon. If by repeatedly adding desperate men this plague grows to the point where it holds territory and establishes a fixed seat, seizes cites and subdues peoples, then it more conspicuously assumes the name of kingdom, and this name is now openly granted to it, not for any subtraction of cupidity, but by addition of impunity….

All of these political, economic, military, diplomatic, sociological, psychological, and demographic forces are working in favor of the Palestinians and against Israel and the Zionists in Palestine. It will take a few more years for these historical forces to predominate and then to prevail. But the proverbial handwriting is on the wall for the Zionist Enterprise in Palestine for the entire world to see, including and especially the C.I.A. Even large numbers of Zionists living in Israel have already prepared their parachutes, and their exit plans, and their landing zones to go elsewhere in the world. There is no reason for the Palestinians to give the Zionists a new lease on life in Palestine by signing any sort of peace treaty with Israel.

It is obvious that soon Zionism will enter into Trotsky’s “ashcan” of history along with every other nationalistic “ism” that has plagued humankind during the twentieth century: Nazism, Fascism, Francoism, Phalangism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc. The only thing that could save Zionism in Palestine is for the Palestinians to conclude any type of so-called comprehensive Middle East Peace treaty with Israel. It is for precisely that reason then that the Palestinians must sign nothing and let Israel collapse of its own weight over the next two decades.

Millions of Palestinians have waited in refugee camps since 1948 in order to return to their homes, that is for 62 years. They can wait a little longer until Israel collapses within 20 years. Otherwise, for the Palestinians to sign a comprehensive peace treaty with Israel means that they will never be able to return to their homes as required by Resolution 194 of 1948. History and demography are on the side of Palestine and the Palestinians against Israel and the Zionists. But the Palestinians must allow history and demography a little bit more time in order to produce the collapse of Israel and Zionism in Palestine. Twenty years is but the blink of an eye in the millennia-long history of the Palestinian People, who are the original indigenous inhabitants of Palestine. God had no right to steal Palestine from the Palestinians and give Palestine to the Jews to begin with. A fortiori the United Nations had no right to steal Palestine from the Palestinians and give Palestine to the Zionists in 1947.

In the meantime, the Palestinians must keep up the pressure on Israel, Zionism and the Zionists in Palestine. The Palestinians have a perfect right under international law to resist an illegal, colonial, genocidal, criminal, military occupation regimé of their lands and of their homes and of their People that goes back to 1948 so long as it is done in a manner consistent with the requirements of international humanitarian law. Simultaneously, the Palestinians must continue to build their state from the ground up as they have been doing successfully since the first Intifada began in 1987 with its grassroots Unified Leadership of the Intifada.

Internationally, the Palestinians must continue their diplomatic and political and legal offensive against Israel. Palestine has gained enormous ground since November 15, 1988 when the P.N.C. proclaimed the independent State of Palestine. Palestine will continue to gain more support internationally over the next two decades, including the accelerating B.D.S. campaign that will delegitimize Israel and Zionism all around the world. At the same time, Israel will continue its rapid descent into pariah state status along the lines of the genocidal Yugoslavia that collapsed as a state and no longer exists. Israel will meet the same fate as the genocidal Yugoslavia provided the Palestinians do not sign any type of international peace agreement with Israel.

When Israel collapses, most Zionists will have already left or will soon leave for other states around the world. The Palestinians will then be able to claim all of the historic Mandate for Palestine as their State, including the entire City of Jerusalem as their Capital. Palestine will then be able to invite all of its refugees to return to their homes pursuant to Resolution 194.

Some Jews will remain in Palestine either voluntarily or involuntarily. Palestine and the Palestinians will treat the remaining Jews fairly. Palestine and the Palestinians will not do to the Jews what Israel, Zionism, and the Zionists have done to the Palestinians.

The Palestinians must sign nothing and let Israel collapse!

University of Illinois Law Professor Francis A. Boyle served as Legal Advisor to the Palestine Liberation Organization on the 1988 Palestinian Declaration of Independence; to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace Negotiations from 1991 to 1993; and to H.E. Chairman and President Yasser Arafat. The story is told in his book Palestine, Palestinians and International Law (Clarity Press: 2003). He can be reached at: FBOYLE@LAW.UIUC.EDU. Read other articles by Francis A..

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  1. hayate said on October 2nd, 2010 at 8:12am #

    It’s quite clear that Palestine is the legit political entity, while apartheid israel has no legitimacy whatsoever.

  2. Ismail Zayid said on October 2nd, 2010 at 8:24am #

    Professor Boyle presents an intelligent analysis of this conflict, with a great deal of factual statements and a high degree of optimism. However, the Israeli leaders are not willing to accept peace with justice and the current Palestinian leaders are not able to accept his advice and are being prompted by US to accept a surrender of their people’s fundamental rights.

    Sadly, this conflict may continue, denying peace and security for Muslims, Christians and Jews in this tortured land.

  3. bozh said on October 2nd, 2010 at 8:39am #

    The most salient fact was and is even from first ‘zionist’ [robbing] congress at basle 1897, that christo-judean ad hoc alliance [for destruction of palestine and murder-expuslison of its people] was never ever to negotiate with pal’ns over lands they and torah claimed as theirs.
    And unless there appears a rift between godful-godless goyim plutos and ‘zionistc’ ones, palestine wld not ever rise again.
    I dare say the same conclusion for iraq, afgh’n and infuter also much of c. and s.w. asia.
    Presently, and hitherto, christo-fascist wrld ain’t gonna negotiate with any continent or any of its countries and not just lowly, frindless, and meanless pal’ns.

    I see no purpose of whipping this dead horse any longer. 1o k pieces about it and not one word about the fact that christo-fascist or christo-talmudic crowd do not negotiate about what they want.
    But then neither has akkad, assyria, chaldea, egypt, persia, ottoman empire, tsarist russia, UK, france, germany, italy, US and just about every country who stood a chance to rob people of their land and dignity. tnx

  4. hayate said on October 2nd, 2010 at 9:04am #

    bozh said on October 2nd, 2010 at 8:39am

    Have you ever considered dispensing with letters altogether and just posting the dots and dashes? Why use half measures?

  5. MichaelKenny said on October 2nd, 2010 at 9:06am #

    I always think it’s a bad idea to tell people what they should do in their own country, however respectfully, as it always implies that the people of that country are not intelligent enough to figure things out for themselves. I agree with the CIA, though, that Israel is doomed. However, I don’t forsee such an apocalyptic, almost Wagnerian, end as Professor Boyle. Like the communist dictatorships, Israel will just implode quite simply because its elite no longer believe in its viability and, that, I think, has largely already happened. Nor do I see any large number of Israeli Jews leaving in the short term. About 1/3 of Israeli Jews are foreign born and over, say, 5 – 10 years, many will move on, probably to the US (something similar happend with the South African Jews). In the short term, demographics and economics are relatively favourable to the Jews and that will take at least a generation, if not two, to change. The more extreme elements will no doubt go fairly fast, but that is actually an advantage because the settlements they leave behind can be given to Palestinians as compensation for the loss of their homes.
    Two interesting questions: which will happen first? Will the US collpase, forcing the Israeli elite to do a one-state deal? Or will the Israelis do a one-state deal, whereupon the Israel Lobby lets the US collpase since it is no longer of any use to them? Secondly, since, whatever happens, the impending US collapse is caused by the Lobby’s stranglehold, how would Americans react to a large influx of Israeli Jews?

  6. bozh said on October 2nd, 2010 at 9:38am #

    Boyle mentions also yugoslavia in “genocidal yugoslavia”. However, the generalization, like so many or all others, cld easily mislead people or present to them a fictitious reality.
    Natch, i avoid reading minds or ascribing to prof boyle any malice towards s. slavs. Europeans have, tho, and particularly since 1800s. Germans were big haters of w. slavs.
    They hated and feared w.slavs, because they were taught that it had been western slavs such as poles, wends, sorbs who were stealing their lands.
    Some historians now assert, it had been the other way around.
    The label “south slavs” denotes at least four nations and not one as boyle’s label suggests.
    True, genocide does occur when a people want to rob another people of their land.
    So, genocidal croats or serbs wld have been more appropriate to have said.
    And if one wants to talk about, say, croat genocide one shld then also said american, french, british, german genocides.
    But genocides or not, they still do not just happen; there are causative factors for them.
    And one ought to posit them, or if not, then don’t sow more ignorance than we already have. Tnx, we have enough of it already.
    I have listed all the factors i know of which cause ignorance, poverty, wars.
    But from time to time i will list them for new readers of DV, TD,and ICH.
    Btw, in WW2, croats and serbs have en masse joined tito’s partizans. However, in ’91-95 fascists prevailed.
    It seems to me that clinton in early ’94 began to favor break up of yugoslavia. It shld be noted that 97% of croats voted in ’90 for separation from yugoslavia.
    I never favored break up of tito’s yugoslavia.
    I only regretted its heavily polluting industry and cars on streets of coastal and picturesque walled towns of the adriatic, many of which had been built by romans and illyrians and inhabited by them until slavs showed up in 7th c. and slowly began to settle in their towns and eventually croatianized them totally by the tenth c.
    It does seem that slovenes, croats, and serbs arrived on balkans at the invitation of byzantine [e.roman] empire.
    Had they exterminated the indigenous pop, the illyrians [ away from the littoral part] of which albanians are their descendants, historians are mute about it.
    Most likely not as balkans had been scarcely populated and slavs having been invited; thus needing all of its people! tnx

  7. bozh said on October 2nd, 2010 at 9:47am #

    Hayate,
    why eat out own heart; especially over posts that do not make sense? Sorry, to hear u’r mad-sad-bad-malade; i want u happy; not sore or to soar in the air and turning into a balistic piece. I reread the post and i laughed!

  8. bozh said on October 2nd, 2010 at 10:21am #

    It is at this time to early to talk about the fate of shemitic, ugandan, russian, ethyopean , and white ‘jews’ [means socalled]. We do note that they are much divided culturally, linguisticly, politicly, aspirationally, etc.
    And most of these disparate people know that they are for sale and on sale and total dependency and not just on world plutocrats [which may include white ‘jews’ as well] but also on the will of today’s and tomorrow’s muslims and christians.

    We know that christians had always feared-hated ‘jews’ and vice versa and that cannot ever change with holding present beliefs.
    it never had been a mystory that no cult cld tolerate any other cult or ideology.
    Ideology, whether priestly-generated or by charlatans [nearly all of it actually is] cannot stand another.
    Americanism, an ideology in toto created by sick minds, cld not stand socialism. Natch, if socialist lands wld be much stronger than fascist, fascists wld be destroyed; hopefully for ever.
    If one shld later show up, just hang himher on a nearest branch. tnx

  9. Mulga Mumblebrain said on October 3rd, 2010 at 4:48am #

    Boyle loses me entirely with his vile gibberish about ‘genocidal Yugoslavia’. No such entity ever existed, and to assert so is, in my opinion, a Big Lie. What existed was a multicultural Yugoslavia whose people co-existed in peace, intermarrying and working together, until it was destroyed by the West,led by the US, West Germany and the Vatican. These powers promoted the return of the fascist forces that had co-operated with West Germany’s predecessor state, Nazi Germany, into Croatia, Bosnia and Slovenia, first utilising the services of the West’s economic Gestapo, the IMF and World Bank. The West even used al Qaeda in both Bosnia and Kosovo, and actively aided the greatest case of ethnic cleansing in Europe since WW2, Operation Storm in Krajina. Boyle’s comments are, I believe, pernicious bunkum, rewriting history to suit the Western agenda of undermining multi-ethnic societies everywhere, as part of their ‘divide and rule’ policies.

  10. mary said on October 3rd, 2010 at 7:20am #

    Just two days of oppression in Occupied Palestine

    While the Occupation is business as usual for Israel, there should be no business with Israel

    In Occupied Palestine

    Zionism in practice

    Israel’s Daily Toll on Palestinian Life, Limb, Liberty and Property

    48 hours to 8am 02 October 2010

    Main source of statistics: Palestinian Monitoring Group (PMG).

    Israeli position on Green Line opens fire on houses and property

    Northern Gaza: Israeli dawn incursion – agricultural sabotage

    Khan Yunis: Israeli forces open fire on farms

    Occupation troops stop olive harvest and force Palestinian farmer off his land

    Israeli forces bulldoze crops near 2 Occupation settlements

    Occupation settler shoots and wounds Palestinian farmer

    Settler mob beats up Palestinian villager

    Zionist militants set fire to 90 Palestinian olive trees

    Night peace disruption and/or home invasions in 3 refugee camps 9 towns and villages

    4 attacks – 29 raids including home invasions – 2 beaten – 3 injured

    5 taken prisoner – 26 detained – 96 restrictions of movement

    October 1 & 2

    Home invasions & occupations: 18:15, the village of Beit Einun – 01:00, Hebron – 17:35, the town of Aqraba – 00:55-04:45, the Askar refugee camp – 02:10, the village of Fasayil – 15:40, Hebron.

    Peace disruption raids: 11:30, the town of Beit Lid – 20:15, the village of Shufa – 00:15, the town of Qaffin – 17:45, the town of Kafr Thulth – 22:50, the village of Izbat at Tabib – 22:55, the village of Kafr Qaddum – 11:40, the village of Iraq Burin – 02:20, the town of Qabalan – 15:40, the town of Yatta – 15:40, the town of As Samoa – 18:10, the town of Halhul – 18:55, the town of Dura – 00:40, the Nur Shams refugee camp – 14:45, the village of Baqat al Hatab – 19:40, the village of An Nabi Elyas – 01:40, Salfit – 07:20, the village of Artas – 12:25, the town of Sa’ir – 15:20, Hebron – 15:35, the town of Idhna – 22:15, the village of Kharsa – 00:55-04:45, Nablus – 00:55-04:45, the Balata refugee camp.

    October 1

    Palestinian attacks: none

    Israeli attack: Rafah – an Israeli Army position on the Green Line opened fire on houses and property in the city city district of Ad Dihniya.

    Israeli attack: Rafah – an Israeli Army position on the Green Line opened fire on houses and property on the outskirts of the town of Ash Shoka.

    Beating – injury – hospitalisation: Nablus – 13:25, Fayez Walid Yaseen, a resident of the town of Asira ash Shamaliya, was admitted with severe injuries to Nablus Public Hospital following a beating by Israeli soldiers.

    Agricultural sabotage: Qalqilya – 13:20, the Israeli Army stopped a farmer, Majed Abdul Qader, from harvesting his olives and forced him off his land near the Occupation settlement of Kedumim.

    Home invasion and occupation: Hebron – 18:15, the Israeli Army raided the village of Beit Einun and occupied the roof of a house.

    October 2

    Palestinian attack: Northern Gaza – morning, one missile fired towards the Green Line.

    Israeli attack – incursion – agricultural sabotage: Northern Gaza – dawn, Israeli armoured vehicles, covered by reconnaissance aircraft, shot their way onto farmland surrounding the Beit Hanun (Erez) Crossing and molested farm workers.

    Israeli attack – agricultural sabotage: Khan Yunis – morning, an Israeli Army position on the Green Line opened fire on farms to the north-east of Al Qarara.

    Annexation – land theft – agricultural sabotage: Nablus – 09:30, the Israeli Army bulldozed crops on land belonging to the village of Urif near the Occupation settlement of Yitzhar. See also: Maannews

    Annexation – land theft – agricultural sabotage: Bethlehem – 14:00, Occupation forces bulldozed land belonging to the town of Tuqu near the Occupation settlement of Tekoa.

    Home invasion and occupation: Hebron – 15:40, Israeli troops occupied the roof of a house.

    Non-violent resistance – tear gas casualties: Ramallah – 12:30, in the village of An Nabi Salih a number of people were overcome by Israeli tear gas during an assault by Occupation forces on a protest against the theft of Palestinian land for the settlement of Halamish.

    Non-violent resistance – tear gas casualties: Ramallah – 13:40, in the town of Ni’lin a number of people were overcome by Israeli tear gas during an assault by Occupation forces on an international anti-annexation Wall protest.

    Non-violent resistance – tear gas casualties: Ramallah – 13:40, in the town of Bil’in a number of people were overcome by Israeli tear gas during an assault by Occupation forces on an international anti-annexation Wall protest.

    Non-violent resistance – tear gas casualties: Bethlehem – 12:10, in the village of Al Ma’sara eight people were overcome by Israeli tear gas during an assault by Occupation forces on an international anti-annexation Wall protest and mass demonstration.

    Occupation settler armed violence – wounding – hospitalisation: Ramallah – 10:00, a Palestinian farmer, Mohammed Khalil Alqam, was admitted to Ramallah Public Hospital after being shot and wounded by an armed Israeli from the settlement of Talmon. The wounded man had been working on his land near the village of Ein Qiniya at the time of the attack.

    Occupation settler violence: Ramallah – 17:50, an Israeli militant from the settlement outpost of Shavuot Rachel, near the village of Al Mughayir, detained a police officer, Ghazi Asfour, who was on his way to Ramallah.

    Occupation settler violence – beating – injury: Tubas – 09:00, a Zionist mob beat up an Ein al Beida villager, Basem Mahmoud Awwad Ayyoub, near the village of Al Malih in the Northern Jordan valley, leaving him with severe injuries.

    Occupation settler violence – arson – agricultural sabotage: Nablus – 12:35, an Israeli mob set fire to approximately 40 Palestinian olive trees belonging to the village of Qusin.

    Occupation settler violence – arson – agricultural sabotage: Nablus – 15:40, Zionist militants from the settlement of Itamar set fire to around 50 olive trees belonging to the village of Awarta.

    Occupation settler violence – agricultural sabotage: Salfit – 08:00, an Israeli mob invaded Palestinian olive groves in an area between the town of Jamma’in and the village of Marda.

  11. Don Hawkins said on October 3rd, 2010 at 7:36am #

    Settler mob beats up Palestinian villager and burning of olive trees I guess a lot could be said but not real bright hate one reason to getup in the morning and so it goes.

  12. bozh said on October 3rd, 2010 at 8:21am #

    It shld be known that also serbia had a puppet govt from ’41-45 and not just slovenia and croatia.
    Bosnia ceased to exists. It had been annexed by puppet state of croatia as pay back to it from germans for its cooperation with nazis and fascsit italinas.
    However, the puppet state in order to obtain promised bosnia had to cede to italy much of its coastal region and many islands.

    Naturally, croats from these parts en masse joined tito’s forces. I credit these forces that croatia had won back istria, all islands and coastal regions.
    It seems that even some croat communists–notably andrija hebrang, a ‘jew’ and head of the communist party, had been executed by tito [?45] because he sought independence for croatia
    Tudjman was also a partizan general and was joined by some leading communists in the struggle for croatia’s independence.
    But many partisan fighters opposed the break up of yugoslavia.

    Three croatian generals are now at hague awaiting a decision from ICJ about their role in expuslsion of serbs from knin region as we as excessive bombardment of it.
    Some croat reporters asserted that croatia did not want that many serbs in croatia any longer. And that explains the expulsion.
    But not all serbs were expelled from n.dalmatia. Some are still returning. In fact, croatian president publicly asked serbs to return.
    In ww2, croats have indeed committed a genocide against ‘jews’, roms, and serbs
    The puppet govt had also executed 30k croatian communists and socialists.
    Curioso is that pavelich’s right hand man was, eugen kvaternik, was a ‘jew’.
    And pavelich was married to a ‘jew’ from Frank family of ‘jews’.
    So, at least some ‘jews’ hated other ‘jews’ that much to aid in delivering them to germany. tnx

  13. Rehmat said on October 3rd, 2010 at 11:05am #

    PNA lost its legitimacy many decades ago – by becoming a pawn in the hands of Saudi Arabia, EU and the US. PA is based on Arab nationalism, which has no appeal among the 1.3 billion non-Muslims. Hamas took the world-wide Islamic view for the liberation of Al-Quds – the third sacred place in Islam. The result is that now Hamas is supported by Hizbullah and Iran, both majority Shias while the Sunni Arab rulers are behind the pro-US/Israel PA (Fatah) sell-outs.

    Israel would not vanish in the near future because the Jewish lobby is so embeded in the US imperialism. What is going to happen is that the Zionist-regime will disappear and replaced with a one-state Palestine like the South Africa – with the European Jews, like the White Afrikans, maintaining the upper hand in almost every important field – military, banking and land-ownership.

    http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2010/02/12/20th-anniversary-of-mandelas-freedom/

  14. hayate said on October 3rd, 2010 at 9:19pm #

    “Israel would not vanish in the near future because the Jewish lobby is so embeded in the US imperialism. What is going to happen is that the Zionist-regime will disappear and replaced with a one-state Palestine like the South Africa – with the European Jews, like the White Afrikans, maintaining the upper hand in almost every important field – military, banking and land-ownership.”

    That scenario definitely seems to be behind the thinking of recent israeli discussion among themselves about going the one state route instead of the 2 state canard.

  15. mary said on October 4th, 2010 at 5:49am #

    Chomsky on video here with Barat. Chomsky is saying that he will only support the BDS movement if a) it doesn’t harm the Palestinians and b)educates the Americans and Europeans in the process. Is this a get out?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5hY-gffV0M

  16. mary said on October 4th, 2010 at 6:47am #

    What would his view be on this incident I wonder where an Israeli Satan addresses a bleeding pregnant Palestinian woman via an amplifier?
    It captures the evil of the Zionist entity and its armed agents. The vast majority of ‘Israelis’ support the evil acts of the IOF/border police etc either actively or by their silence. Half the adult population are serving the Fourth Reich or are on the reserve list. But there are other Satans within the line of command which is the US/UK axis members with the Zionist entity, the EU nations and the Arab snake ‘nations’. All are complicit in the terrorization and humiliation of this pregnant lady and her dear family. Her miscarriage and the woman herself needed all consideration and great kindness.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Jd6eewcj9E&feature=player_embedded

    You will note the dignified reactions of the family. ‘May God humiliate them’.

    I see that Chomsky and Pappe have co authored a book ‘Gaza in Crisis’ coming out soon. I will not be buying or reading it.

    Meanwhile settlers have just set fire to a Palestinian mosque in Beir Fajjar and their Qurans. (english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/10/201010481935553584.html)

    ZBC’s World Service this morning interviewed that unpleasant US pastor who wanted to burn Qurans.

    Two Israeli troops have been convicted for using a child as a human shield by using him to test for booby traps but wait for an announcement that the sentence has been cancelled. (www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11462635 )

  17. hayate said on October 4th, 2010 at 10:00am #

    mary said on October 4th, 2010 at 5:49am #

    “Chomsky on video here with Barat. Chomsky is saying that he will only support the BDS movement if a) it doesn’t harm the Palestinians and b)educates the Americans and Europeans in the process. Is this a get out?”

    I didn’t listen to the whole thing, just chomsky’s first remarks and those were the same defense of israel he’s been running for year. His first line:

    “And destruction of israel”

    Gives the game away at the outset. His concern lies mainly with keeping israel in control and undiluted. It really embarrasses me the number of years I believed this man was genuine. and not just another facilitator to establishment power.

  18. bozh said on October 4th, 2010 at 11:31am #

    If my memory is correct i always had d0ubts that N.C. stood for egalitarianism and thus a timocratic governance, better structures of society, and systems of rule.
    He, like so many or nearly all of these ‘experts’ or ‘scholars’, simply ad infinitum told us what is going on; thus, revealing what they were [and still are?] against, but not ever what they were for, let alone the FIRST CAUSE of it all.

    I have exchanged in ’90s a few letters with N.C. However, in his last response to me he finally admitted “nothing good will come of it” after i expressed to him that its all over for pal’ns.
    His answer pertained to clinton’s ‘peace talks’ of ’01.
    In at least in one of his books he severely criticized bolsheviks; so i knew he was an asocialist.
    Actually, he’s self-declared anarchist. Only a devil cld know what that represents in reality.
    Not until about a yr ago i learned from blankfort that chomsky was against ROR.
    Blankfort also gave me his email. NC, in his fourth response to me, admits he indeed is against ROR except the original expellees. Proper name for pal’ns leaving their homes is not “refugees”, but expelees or people fleeing for their life but not from desert storms or floods, locusts but murderers.
    However, even blankfort did not see it that way.
    I think he said that some were expellees ,but not all. Ok, he may have a point there or may be not.We do call nakbah “expulsion”; so calling the people “expellees” seems in order to me

    Does not a refugee take refuge from storm and other natural disasters. Even ‘jews’ of ww2 were expelled and by terrorists-murderers. True, some fled, but had they stayed, they wld have died or been expelled from their respective homes and homelands. tnx