Open Letter to Dr. Joseph Stiglitz and Challenge to Debate

Note: Dr. Joseph Stiglitz is a professor at Columbia University, former chairman of President Clinton’s Council of Economic Advisors, former chief economist for the World Bank, and a recipient of the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences.

Dear Dr. Stiglitz:

I have just finished reading your article published on Alternet.org entitled, “Is the Entire Bailout Strategy Flawed? Let’s Rethink This Before It’s Too Late.”

With all due respect, I believe you have missed the point of what is going on within the U.S. economy, which causes your proposed solutions to be similarly flawed.

The purposes of this letter are to delineate my objections to what you have written, to bring our differences before the public, and to challenge you to a debate when I visit New York City on February 27-March 1, 2009.

You state that, “America’s recession is moving into its second year, with the situation only worsening.” But you then say, “The hope that President Obama will be able to get us out of the mess is tempered by the reality that throwing hundreds of billions of dollars at the banks has failed to restore them to health, or even to resuscitate the flow of lending.”

You thereby imply that the economic crisis is due to problems within the financial sector and that it would be a good thing to “resuscitate the flow of lending” without challenging why that lending became such a huge factor in our economy.

I say: The problem does not lie with the financial sector except that the debt-based monetary system acts as a parasite on the producing economy, resulting in the vast overhang of debt that can never be repaid. “Resuscitating the flow of lending” will do no good, because the collapse of consumer purchasing power due to job outsourcing and income stagnation has made it impossible for people to pay their debts. Most of this debt now needs to be written off and our producing economy restored as our chief source of wealth.

You say of the government’s bailout actions late last year: “Then there was the hope that if the government stood ready to help the banks with enough money — and enough was a lot — confidence would be restored, and with the restoration of confidence, asset prices would increase and lending would be restored.”

I say: In making this observation you may be correct, but you fail to challenge the policy whereby asset price inflation, in the absence of real economic growth, has become an ersatz economic driver. Throughout your writings you have ignored the fact that the government and the banking system have deliberately created financial bubbles to shore up the economy, engender profits, and maintain tax revenues. This is what the Federal Reserve under Alan Greenspan did in collusion with the Bush administration to create a recovery when the Dot.com bubble was collapsing in 2000-2001. None of your proposals would revitalize the producing economy or restore consumer income. You seem to be mainly trying to re-inflate the asset-financial bubble in your own way.

You say: “The underlying problem is simple: Even in the heyday of finance, there was a huge gap between private rewards and social returns. The bank managers have taken home huge paychecks, even though, over the past five years, the net profits of many of the banks have (in total) been negative. And the social returns have even been less — the financial sector is supposed to allocate capital and manage risk, and it did neither well. Our economy is paying the price for these failures — to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars.”

I say: It is true that bank manager salaries and bonuses are obscene, but the way you characterize “social returns” is shortsighted. You speak of bank profitability falling short even though, since the financial deregulation of the 1980s and 1990s, the banks have become the nation’s chief growth industry, with profits as late as 2006 of over $500 billion. Further, the financial sector doesn’t really “allocate capital.” What it does is skim the cream off the top of the producing economy by financing consumption and facilitating the most irresponsible types of speculation in the real estate, equity, hedge fund, and derivative markets. For example, up to 97 percent of futures contracts comes from bank loans irrespective of whether such lending has any benefit for consumers or producers. The banks allocate capital primarily for their own benefit, which I believe you recognize, but we now need to find alternatives to a monetary system based on bank-created debt, not just try to get it running again while ignoring the disasters that have befallen working men and women and their families.

You say, in regard to the ongoing government actions: “But even were we to do all this — with uncertain risks to our future national debt — there is still no assurance of a resumption of lending. For the reality is we are in a recession, and risks are high in a recession. Having been burned once, many bankers are staying away from the fire.”

Again, you speak favorably of a “resumption of lending” as resolving the problem. I say: What you are proposing is simply to shore up our debt-based monetary system without addressing the facts that our manufacturing jobs have been exported to China and other low-cost labor markets, our automobile industry is collapsing due to the failure of consumer demand, wages and salaries have stagnated for two decades, workers have not shared in productivity increases, and the total societal debt load on a GDP of $14 trillion is now approaching $70 trillion. These are the problems that must be addressed, not getting the banks to lend again when people can’t pay off the debts they already have.

You say: “What’s the alternative? Sweden (and several other countries) have shown that there is an alternative — the government takes over those banks that cannot assemble enough capital through private sources to survive without government assistance…Inevitably, American taxpayers are going to pick up much of the tab for the banks’ failures. The question facing us is, to what extent do we participate in the upside return?”

I say: Having the government run the banks instead of the private sector will not restore the economic fundamentals of a weak economy. Availability of bank credit does not by itself lead to greater production of goods and services. What it should do is make the liquidity available for the production-consumption cycle to work smoothly. The idea that a deregulated financial sector should be given precedence over all the other economic sectors is the essence of the supply-side, trickle-down philosophy that began during the Reagan years and has catastrophically failed.

You say: “Eventually, America’s economy will recover. Eventually, our financial sector will be functioning — and profitable — once again, though hopefully, it will focus its attention more on doing what it is supposed to do.”

I say: Please tell us exactly HOW America’s economy will recover. Will it recover after real unemployment, including “discouraged workers” hits 20 percent, which it is likely to do over the next few months? Will it recover after millions of more people have their homes foreclosed? Will it recover after the automobile industry dies? What exactly is your prescription? If you don’t have one, I would ask you to consider what I am proposing in my paper: “A Bailout for the People: Dividend Economics and the Basic Income Guarantee.” In that paper I put forth what I am calling the “Cook Plan.” This consists of a $1,000 a month payment per capita made by the government through a system of vouchers for necessities that are then deposited in a new series of local community savings banks that would lend at one percent interest for small business, local manufacturing, and family farming. The vouchers would be a dividend, distributed as each citizens’ fair share of our amazing productive economy without recourse to government taxation or debt. The dividend would provide income security, eliminate poverty, and result in a renaissance of local and regional economic activity, and it would start to act immediately, not “eventually.”

On Friday, February 27, 2009, I will be in your hometown of New York City presenting the “Cook Plan” at the 8th Congress of the U.S. Basic Income Guarantee Network and the Annual Convention of the Eastern Economic Association. That evening I will present the program at a Town Hall meeting in connection with President Obama’s series of citizens’ forums at Nola Studio B, 244 West 54th St., 11th floor in Manhattan, at 8 p.m.

On the evening of Saturday, February 28, I am free, and would be glad to meet you to debate these ideas at a location of your choosing.

Respectfully,

Richard C. Cook

Richard C. Cook is the author of We Hold These Truths: The Hope of Monetary Reform, scheduled to appear by September 2007. A retired federal analyst, his career included service with the U.S. Civil Service Commission, the Food and Drug Administration, the Carter White House, and NASA, followed by twenty-one years with the U.S. Treasury Department. He is also author of Challenger Revealed: An Insider’s Account of How the Reagan AdministrationCaused the Greatest Tragedy of the Space Age. Read other articles by Richard, or visit Richard's website.

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  1. Don Hawkins said on February 6th, 2009 at 10:39am #

    I say: The problem does not lie with the financial sector except that the debt-based monetary system acts as a parasite on the producing economy, resulting in the vast overhang of debt that can never be repaid. “Resuscitating the flow of lending” will do no good, because the collapse of consumer purchasing power due to job outsourcing and income stagnation has made it impossible for people to pay their debts. Most of this debt now needs to be written off and our producing economy restored as our chief source of wealth.

    I say: It is true that bank manager salaries and bonuses are obscene, but the way you characterize “social returns” is shortsighted. You speak of bank profitability falling short even though, since the financial deregulation of the 1980s and 1990s, the banks have become the nation’s chief growth industry, with profits as late as 2006 of over $500 billion. Further, the financial sector doesn’t really “allocate capital.” What it does is skim the cream off the top of the producing economy by financing consumption and facilitating the most irresponsible types of speculation in the real estate, equity, hedge fund, and derivative markets.

    Bingo, 2 in the B row to be or not to be. Very nice and that is what I call a new way of thinking. Now how do we get this started along with a few other minor changes?

  2. Phil said on February 6th, 2009 at 10:39am #

    Excellent piece! Of course none of us would bet (even if we had money to bet, hahaha) on this challenge being accepted, but even so, it’s one of the best rebuttals to the save-the-market strategy I’ve seen yet.

  3. Michael Dawson said on February 6th, 2009 at 11:09am #

    Debt ballooning was the strategy depended upon during the Great Restoration of Capital (a.k.a. the Reagan Revolution) to escape its own central Keynesian contradiction. That game is now over.

    We need a radical redistribution of wealth and a radical expansion of public industry, much of which should be used to rebuild our cities for sustainable living.

    Alas, the politics of the Great Restoration are far from over. Obama is the perfect new pitch-man.

    We’re in huge trouble, ala Dmitry Orlov…

  4. James Keye said on February 6th, 2009 at 12:33pm #

    While it is necessary to deal with and in the current concepts and movements of our economic system – I applaud this essay and its challenge to attempts to repair a structure with deep inherent flaws – there is need for an increasing recognition that the most general nature of our economics must also be reexamined. Growth economics as we presently manifest it must end quickly. Herman Daly’s notion of change in form as a substitute for growth in energy and material use, a necessary first step, will not suffice. We must, within a generation or two, discover behaviors that will allow a no-growth design or we will have out-stayed our welcome in the biophysical space.

  5. Max Shields said on February 6th, 2009 at 1:24pm #

    Richard,

    Interesting piece. I would use Herman Daly (steady-state economy) and his use of land value tax to provide for what Winston Churchill addressed. Daly’s premise is that growth(the US economic system) is uneconomical. They it cost more to grow than to simply manage a steady-state. This is simply another term for sustainability.

    As mentioned Daly and Churchill (and many others who have grappled with this problem) are Georgists. Providing a dividend to all comes through the Georgist notion of Land as key to any economics and land value rent/tax is a means for retaining the commons and capturing the wealth of the commons to provide for all.

    The work by Daly (recipient of the Livelihood Award) and Alanna Hartzog of Earth Rights Institute provides insight into the citizens’ dividend.

    The same thinking Daly brings to the uneconomics of growth can be applied and directly connected to energy.

    It’s not that we lack solutions. It is the power which barely moves the needle from Bush to Obama. Stiglitz is better than what Obama has as economists, but he definitely doesn’t take the problem to its core. Short of that his solutions are just tinkering and worthless. He does understand, however the value of land value tax. But again, he is not a mover. In the end he is simply a luke warm progressive in a pool of fundamental free marketer sharks.

  6. Max Shields said on February 6th, 2009 at 1:53pm #

    James Keye,

    We must have posted at the same time. You make mention of Daly, but your easy dismissal begs the question: why?

    First step? We’re so far from this so-called first step that to diss it is like putting a gun to your head. Most here may not even know Daly and his fine work and you’re already diluting it to some kind of “yesterday’s news” and again, we’re in overdrive preditory capitalism….

    Give it a chance man.

  7. Deadbeat said on February 6th, 2009 at 4:01pm #

    The capitalist crisis is pregnant with opportunities to distract the left with “new” theories” or so-called “third-wave” ideas. Perhaps some of these “new” ideas are repackaging of old one or perhaps the intent is to sow confusion in order to stunt activism as we’ve seen the left stunted from building the kind of solidarity needed to confront various forms of oppression.

    A good example of this on the economic from is Michael Albert’s confused “Parecon” which he deliberately states he developed because socialism is fought with such negative connotations. In other words rather than provide clarification he’d prefer to succumb to ruling classes distortion of socialism. In the same vein we have contributors on DV presenting “new” ideas from Herman Daly.

    Before activists get distracted perhaps more opinions are necessary. Here’s a link to an article from The Socialist Standard 11/2008 that can offer some clarifications.

  8. Max Shields said on February 6th, 2009 at 4:15pm #

    DB,

    Are you familiar with Heman Daly? No? Read him and we can debate if you’d like.

    Otherwise you’re broad sweeping-as-usual-generalization are really nothing more than empty provocation of an faux argument.

  9. Deadbeat said on February 6th, 2009 at 5:06pm #

    I’ve read Daly and to me he is saying nothing that hasn’t been said over many years by socialist. However you shouldn’t argue with me. You should argue with The Socialist Party of Great Britain who wrote the article a mere three months ago therefore they already vetted Daly.

    Also Max perhaps you can explain why you are against the redistribution of wealth which you wrote here on DV several weeks ago.

    However I do agree with The Socialist Party of GB conclusion…’


    Still, all in all, it is undoubtedly a good thing that scientists are turning their attention to the question of free-market capitalism. They do at least have more credibility than politicians, priests or pop-idols, and one can only hope they don’t squander it by failing to sort through their various ill-conceived assumptions and prejudices. After all, that’s what the scientific method is supposed to be all about. The worst and most absurd assumption of all was always that science was somehow above politics, and that seems to be changing. What scientists need to do now however is recognise that they are latecomers to the political and economic debate, and that it is unhelpful to cloud the issues with careless ignorance of genuine socialist ideas, or to promote unworkable and possibly dangerous solutions which ignore capitalism’s known behaviour. Most of all, they would do well to recognise the importance of class in the debate, and their own class position as workers. If they don’t do that, they are always going to be so far behind other workers that they think they’re in the lead.

    Since the Left has been infiltrated by posers and at best well meaning dilettantes it is extremely easy for the Left to become polarized and disjointed and to have solidarity easily stunted by a state of confusion.

  10. Max Shields said on February 6th, 2009 at 5:19pm #

    DB you HAVEN”T READ DALY. it’s apparent in your response.

    Adieu

  11. Deadbeat said on February 7th, 2009 at 1:39am #

    Max says …

    DB you HAVEN”T READ DALY. it’s apparent in your response. Adieu

    Max it is apparent you haven’t a rejoinder. I’ll let readers here make up their own mind about Daly. Here’s the link to Daly writings.

    It was very easy finding this on Google and I would not have given my opinion on Daly before reading his ideas. There was nothing I read in his piece that hasn’t been addressed by socialists.

    That being the case I did a Google search to see if I could find an opposing or contrasting opinion which I found and posted. Apparently Max you are unable to formulate a rejoinder to the Socialist Party of Great Britain in whose journal published since 1904, they criticize Daly with other “scientist” who have attempted to formulate their ideas of the construction of society and society’s economic systems.

    As cautioned by the Socialist Party of Great Britain they expressed the concern that people like Daly are they are latecomers to the political and economic debate, and that it is unhelpful to cloud the issues with careless ignorance of genuine socialist ideas.

    The consequences of these latecomers like Daly who says …
    “shifting from growth to development doesn’t have to mean freezing in the dark under communist tyranny.” (New Scientist, ibid). creates confusion within the Left.

    Confusion on the Left has disrupted and stunted solidarity which is a major concern. Without solidarity there can be no movement and there will be no change.

    So the real issue Max is that you haven’t made the case why the Left should embrace Daly and what he has to offer that goes beyond socialism.

  12. Brian said on February 7th, 2009 at 5:35am #

    Mr. Cook,
    I really liked your book on the Challenger cover up.

  13. Max Shields said on February 7th, 2009 at 6:03am #

    24 hours of googling and you came up with a link to a chapter from Daly. I suggest you now take the next step and read it!!!

    Neither I nor Daly would ever consider him a “leftist”, nor a “socialist”.

    Again, you come this and other topics with a tiny little lens and try to build a narrative around it. It’s empy thinking. Start to connect. Read some history. Become familiar with things other than Zionism and “left” words.

    With that you’ve got some work to do…so I won’t delay you further.

  14. Don Hawkins said on February 7th, 2009 at 8:06am #

    The Senate and the thinking just in the last few day’s is still an old way of thinking. I will give many of those Senators the benefit of the doubt and say they are smarter than what they say and do. To me the best way to describe there thinking is child like. We have to get way past that if the human race wishes to survive. Policy makers and so called business leaders need to some how wake-up. The wisdom the knowledge the know how is out there but so far not used. In simple terms it looks to be the money and control of what is left. Tuff times ahead and somehow we need to get our voice heard loud and clear. The Capital as many people as possible one voice and soon. Who out there can get this started the time is now.

  15. not your business said on February 7th, 2009 at 8:16am #

    the solutions (typically) presented on this website are all some variation of governmental action forced on the population- debt repudiation, income redistribution, etc.

    all these fail to achieve an understanding of the real problem. the us is a centrally managed economy and has been for more than a century. the only difference between this country and the former ussr is who owns the means of production. here it is nominally private (tho much less so with each bailout) and there is was totally held by government.

    the ONLY solution is to cancel the central government’s control over the economy. the simplest way to reach that goal is to end the fiat money regime by dissolving its controlling agent – the federal reserve system. until and unless such action is taken, this country is going to struggle economically.

  16. mary said on February 7th, 2009 at 1:02pm #

    I cannot believe what I am reading in Dandelion Salad. Has the Third Reich come back from the dead – or perhaps it never truly died?

    Town Hall Meeting in New York Canceled Due to Death Threat Against Monetary Reform Advocate Richard C. Cook
    Posted on February 7, 2009 by dandelionsalad
    February 7, 2009

    Due to a death threat against monetary reform advocate Richard C. Cook, a Town Hall meeting scheduled to be held on February 27, 2009, as part of President Barack Obama’s “Organizing for Change” initiative, has been canceled. Cook had been asked to speak at the meeting and present his program called “Bailout for the People” that he has been advocating as a solution to the economic crisis.

    The meeting had been organized by New York City activists to provide Cook a forum at a time when the Obama/Biden administration is soliciting ideas to address the deepening recession where over 1,500,000 people have lost their jobs in the last three months. Over the next several weeks, hundreds of Economic Recovery Meetings will be held around the country leading up to public hearings by Vice President Joe Biden’s economic recovery task force.

    Cook has written prolifically on economic and monetary reform since retiring from the federal government as a Treasury Department analyst in 2007. During his 32-year government career he also worked for NASA and the Carter White House. Upon retirement he published a book on the space shuttle Challenger disaster entitled Challenger Revealed. More recently, Tendril Press has published his book, We Hold These Truths: The Hope of Monetary Reform.

    We Hold These Truths by Richard C. Cook
    Originally uploaded by Lorri37

    Cook’s proposals are based on what he calls “Dividend Economics.” He cites as an example the annual citizens’ stipend under the Alaska Permanent Fund. Through what he is calling the “Cook Plan,” he is advocating a tax-free per capita payment of $1,000 per month through vouchers to be used for the necessities of life such as housing, food, and transportation. The vouchers, once redeemed, would be used to capitalize a new national network of community savings banks that would lend at low interest rates to revitalize local and regional economies.

    Despite the threat, Cook spoke at another Organizing for Change meeting in Takoma Park, Maryland, on Saturday February 7. On February 27th, when the Town Hall meeting in New York had been scheduled, he plans to keep his appointment that afternoon to speak at the 8th Congress of the U.S. Basic Income Guarantee Network/Annual Conference of the Eastern Economic Association. At this conference he will present a paper entitled: “Bailout for the People: Dividend Economics and the Basic Income Guarantee.” Further details, along with a downloadable version of the paper, are available at his new website at http://www.richardccook.com.

    Regarding the cancellation of the Town Hall meeting, a decision made jointly with the organizers, Cook said:

    “I have worked in the public eye my whole life for the government, as a whistleblower after the Challenger disaster, and as a writer. These things don’t frighten me. But in this instance, I cannot in good conscience expose my supporters and members of the public to the slight chance of harm in a relatively non-secure venue.”

    Cook also pointed out that the perpetrator of the threat has been identified and reported. He said the person used “vicious language” and called him a “traitor.”