Can an “Arab Soul” Yearn for Israel’s Anthem?

Arab Pupils Expected to Learn Zionist Song

A leading Arab educator in Israel has denounced the decision of Gideon Saar, the education minister, to require schools to study the Israeli national anthem.

Officials announced last week that they were sending out special “national anthem kits” to 8,000 schools, including those in the separate Arab education system, in time for the start of the new academic year in September.

The kits have been designed to be suitable for all age groups and for use across the curriculum, from civics and history classes to music and literature lessons.

The anthem, known as Ha-Tikva, or The Hope, has long been unpopular with Israel’s Arab minority because its lyrics refer only to a Jewish historical connection to the land.

Mr Saar’s initiative is widely seen among Israel’s 1.3 million Arab citizens as a further indication of the rising nationalistic tide sweeping policymakers.

Last week the ministry also announced that textbooks recently issued to Arab schoolchildren would have expunged the word “nakba”, or catastrophe, to describe the Palestinians’ dispossession at Israel’s founding in 1948.

Hala Espanioly, who chairs the education committee of the Arab minority’s supreme political body, the Higher Follow-Up Committee, told the Israeli news website Ynet: “If there is an attempt to force the Ha-Tikva anthem on Arab schools and Arab pupils, it will be akin to a kind of attempted rape of their identity.”

The issue of the national anthem, based on a 120-year-old poem by Naftali Hertz Imber and an ancient folk melody, has been a running sore between Israel’s Jewish and Arab populations for decades.

Arab citizens are unhappy with its heavily Zionist lyrics, which speak of how the “soul of a Jew yearns” to return to Zion, as well as referring to “The hope of two thousand years, To be a free nation in our land”.

In 2005 some legislators were outraged when an Israeli parliamentary committee considered, among possible constitution changes, revising the anthem’s lyrics from “the soul of a Jew’” to “the soul of an Israeli”. The change was not approved.

Mr Saar, then an ordinary politician, led the opposition to changing the lyrics: “In two words: definitely not. I wouldn’t make any changes to Ha-Tikva. It would be a compromise on the state’s identity.”

The refusal of prominent Arabs to sing the anthem in public has provoked several notable controversies.

The most high-profile concerned Raleb Majadele, of the Labor party, who was appointed Israel’s first Arab cabinet minister in 2007. In an interview he said that, though he always stood during Ha-Tikva, he drew the line at singing it.

He later defended his position to Israeli radio: “Where is it written that a person appointed to be a cabinet minister in Israel must stop being an Arab, and turn into a member of a different religion and ethnicity?”

Arab players in Israel’s national football squad have also admitted being uncomfortable during the playing of the anthem before games. TV broadcasts often zoom in to show that their lips are not moving.

Abir Kupty, today an elected official with the Nazareth municipality, produced one of Israeli TV’s most talked-about moments four years ago when she was filmed sitting down when the anthem was played. She was the only Arab contestant in a show to find Israel’s future leaders.

Ms Kupty said: “This decision by the education ministry is part of the current hysterical right-wing mood in Israel. They hope they can erase our Palestinian identity by making us love the anthem.”

She added that Arab pupils were already deprived of the chance to learn about their own history, culture and identity. “The curriculum in Arab schools is heavily controlled by Jewish officials and by the security services.”

Sofia Yoad, the education ministry’s director of curriculum development, said the anthem kits included a book and two CDs containing 40 historic recordings of Hatikva, including it being sung in a concentration camp and at the Declaration of Independence.

“It is very important to learn about the national anthem even if pupils are not Jewish,” she said. “After all, this is the story of a country’s independence.”

Astrith Baltsan, a pianist who researched and wrote the book over three years, said she had originally been commissioned to produce it for Israel’s 60th anniversary celebrations last year.

But when Mr Saar saw it, she said, he had been keen to use it in all schools. She added that, when she played the anthem at a ministry launch party last week, even the Arab schools inspectors stood. “When you know the story of the anthem, you show it respect,” she said.

The Higher Follow-Up Committee, a national political body representing Israel’s Arab minority, has staunchly opposed the use of the kits. It wrote last week to Mr Saar, warning that the initiative would “only deepen the alienation of Arab students and teachers”.

Figures released by the education ministry this month show that only 32 per cent of Arab students passed their matriculation exam last year, compared to 60 per cent of Jewish students. The pass rate was a dramatic drop from the 50.7 per cent of Arab pupils who matriculated in 2006.

Yousef Jabareen, head of Dirasat, a Nazareth-based organisation monitoring education issues, blamed the poor results on growing cultural bias in the Israeli education system as well as severe budgetary discrimination.

He said the increasing weight placed on Jewish heritage and Judaism lessons put Arab pupils at a severe disadvantage, and that further alienation was caused by the state’s refusal to allow the Arab education system any autonomy in selecting its own curriculum.

A report published in March, he added, showed that the government invested $1,100 in each Jewish pupil’s education compared to $190 for each Arab pupil. There was also a shortfall of more than 1,000 classrooms for Arab students.

Mr Jabareen pointed out that a committee appointed last year by the dovish previous education minister, Yuli Tamir, had recommended curriculum reforms to encourage a “shared life” and common values among pupils, including more frequent encounters between Jewish and Arab students.

In April Mr Saar quashed the committee’s report.

Opposition to the study of Ha-Tikva is shared by ultra-religious Jews known as the Haredim. They believe the anthem should include a reference to God in the lyrics, and have proposed an alternative entitled HaEmunah.

Jonathan Cook, based in Nazareth, Israel is a winner of the Martha Gellhorn Special Prize for Journalism. His latest books are Israel and the Clash of Civilisations: Iraq, Iran and the Plan to Remake the Middle East (Pluto Press) and Disappearing Palestine: Israel's Experiments in Human Despair (Zed Books). Read other articles by Jonathan, or visit Jonathan's website.

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  1. B99 said on July 28th, 2009 at 8:32am #

    Was it e e Cummings who wrote. “I will not salute your f**king flag.” Yeah, it’s an abomination – and forcing Palestinians to salute and sing or be banished is Israel’s quest for racial purity. Perhaps more important are the stats at the end – the $1100 for each Jewish student, $190 for each Palestinian student. There’s your JIM CROW policy – as real and as material as it gets. It should be noted that with regard to housing, public health, infrastructure – the same racial outlines follow. And let’s not forget that non-Jews (that overwhelmingly mean Palestinians) are not permitted to purchase land or homes in 93% of the country.

  2. bozh said on July 28th, 2009 at 10:47am #

    very interesting: pal’ns learn hatikva and as adults get expelled. Or if they don’t get expelled when adults, wld sing the song as secondclass citizens and as second class human beings.

  3. opeluboy said on July 28th, 2009 at 1:44pm #

    Yep, they still have the ability to amaze me with a new low almost daily.

  4. Ruvy said on July 28th, 2009 at 2:25pm #

    Aw, poor babies whining. One more in a whole series of “poor ‘Palestinian'” articles. Writing out of Nazareth, a Christian center, Mr. Cook manages not to mention how Moslem Arabs mistreat Christian Arabs; he manages not to mention how Bethlehem, once a predominantly Christian Arab city, has become a Moslem city under the terror regime of the PLO. He manages not to mention Moslems raping and terrorizing Christian Arabs.

    Why? I wonder why? Is being asked to know a nation’s national anthem a greater trauma than rape or homelessness? Jews in Colombia manage to survive not singing part of a national anthem that mentions Jesus. French speaking Quebec Jews manage to avoid singing the parts of Canada’s national anthem in French that are offensive to them.

    This is an issue? This is garbage! Real issues, like the failure of Israeli courts to apply the law equally to all ethnic groups, get ignored – or they got terribly skewed only to benefit one group of people – Arabs. But this whining? More special pleading. Looks like the author is taking lessons in being a ghetto Jew.

  5. mebosa ritchie said on July 28th, 2009 at 3:05pm #

    you don’t get it jonathan
    american kids,of whatever background are taught the american national anthem
    english kids,of whatever background are taught the english national anthem
    spanish kids,of whatever background are taught the spanish national anthem
    russian kids,of whatever background are taught the russian national anthem
    chinese kids,of whatever background are taught the chinese national anthem
    iranian kids,of whatever background are taught the iranian national anthem
    and so and so on
    what is your problem with israeli kids,of whatever background being taught the israeli national anthem
    this is a non story–like most of yours

  6. B99 said on July 28th, 2009 at 3:34pm #

    Mebosa – But this is not the Israeli national anthem, this is the zionist Jews national anthem. That’s because Israel is not the state of its citizens but is instead the state of the Jews – by law. This of course means that non-Jews are second-class citizens with lesser rights than Jews. It is, in other words – a Jim Crow Society – the last remaining one in the world. So of course, what self-respecting Arab or anyone else for that matter is going to sing this ultranationalist anthem?

  7. mary said on July 29th, 2009 at 5:51am #

    One of Carlos Latuff’s brilliant cartoons.

    Anyway as we say, Stop the settlement expansion and Stop the slaughter, Stop the crime, Free, Free Palestine.

    The Palestinians already have their own anthem and need none from Mr Saar. It is Mawtani, my homeland, written in 1936 by Hefeth Touqan – sung here by Reem Kelani following Vilnai’s latest shoah in Gaza.

    The lyrics (in English) are –
    My homeland
    My homeland
    Glory and beauty
    Sublimity and prettiness
    Are in your hills
    Life and deliverance
    Pleasure and hope
    Are in your atmosphere
    Will I see you?
    Safe and comfortable
    Sound and honored
    Will I see you?
    In your eminence
    Reaching the stars

    My homeland
    My homeland

    The youth will not get tired
    Their goal is your independence
    Or they die
    We will drink from death
    But we will not be slaves to our enemies
    We do not want
    An eternal humiliation
    Nor a miserable life
    We do not want
    But we will return
    Our great glory

    My homeland
    My homeland

    The sword and the pen
    Are our symbols
    Not talking nor quarreling
    Our glory and covenant
    And a duty to fulfill it
    Shake us
    Our honor
    Is an honorable cause
    A raised flag
    O, your beauty
    In your eminence
    Victorious over your enemies

    My homeland
    My homeland

  8. mebosa ritchie said on July 29th, 2009 at 7:38am #

    b99–you are spot on
    israel is the state of the zionist jews
    france is the state of the french
    canada is the state of the canadians
    the islamic republic of iran is the state of the islamic iranians
    the syrian arab republic is the state of the syrian arabs
    argentina is the state of the argentinians
    israel is the state is the state of the zionist jews
    others are welcome to live in the jewish state in peace if they want but not if they want to destroy it
    the palestinians/arabs can go and live in their own country,jordan,and sing all the happy songs they want all day long but if they want to live in the zionist jewish state of israel,they will have to learn hatikva
    seems reasonable to me

  9. mebosa ritchie said on July 29th, 2009 at 7:49am #

    mary–brilliant cartoon
    laughed so much;hilarious
    send us some more and some more songs to sing
    here’s one of my favourites

    Ying tong ying tong Ying tong
    ying tong Ying tong iddle I po Ying tong ying tong
    Ying tong iddle I po Iddle I po. Ying tong ying tong Ying tong ying
    tong Ying tong iddle I po Ying tong ying tong Ying tong
    iddle I po Iddle I po.

  10. mary said on July 29th, 2009 at 8:59am #

    Puerile and totally unamusing (like some others) and absolutely nothing to do with Palestine or a national anthem.

  11. mebosa ritchie said on July 29th, 2009 at 9:58am #

    well done mary. you’re getting it now. i always knew you english had a sense of humor.
    try this

  12. B99 said on July 29th, 2009 at 12:49pm #

    Mebosa – France is NOT the state of the French. France is the state of its citizens, as is Canada, Iran, Argentina, Syria. ONLY Israel is NOT the state of its citizens – it is the state of the Jews – that’s what their supreme court said. That’s quite the legal distinction, isn’t it? And that is how Israel justifies its Jim Crow and Apartheid laws. No, Israel has to come up with a song that celebrates being an Israeli – not celebrating being a Jew. Why would a Palestinian be comfortable singing that? It’s racist.

  13. mebosa ritchie said on July 29th, 2009 at 3:31pm #

    israel is the state of its citizens.what bothers you is the fact that the vast majority of israel’s citizens are jews,zionist jews.
    that’s why the state has zionist jewish policities–it is a jewish zionist state
    other non zionist citizens of whatever religion are welcome to live in peace with the overwhelming majority of zionist jews, in the same way as non french non catholics can live in france, as long as the minority do not keep trying, often violently,to destroy the jewish zionist state in which they live.
    they are also welcome to leave the jewish,zionist state and go and live in a neighbouring state,where they may find their opinions more acceptable.
    there are 22 muslim arab states in the middle east and only one jewish,zionist state.
    the fact that you are not prepared to allow the jews to have their own makes you a racist big time.
    you are also an anti-semite and lie constantly in your postings.
    there is therefore little hope-hatikva-for you

  14. opeluboy said on July 29th, 2009 at 4:08pm #

    To clearly see how utterly bereft of morality, even humanity, the smarmy, arrogant Zionist supremacists are, all one needs to do is read the comments from some of its most shining members here. Amazingly, these same racists will demand our pity and insist to a man every American financially support their failed adventure, Israel. I eagerly await the day America wakes up and offers them all one-way tickets to their private Valhalla and encourages them to make “the desert bloom” on their own fucking dime.

  15. B99 said on July 29th, 2009 at 8:06pm #

    Wrong Mebosa – Israel is NOT the state of its citizens. That was the verdict on a law suit brought on behalf of Palestinian Israelis. The Israeli Supreme Court decided to uphold the law that Israel was the state of the Jews – NOT its citizens. Its the law!

    You won’t find me having called for the dissolution of Israel – you are thinking of someone else. But it is YOU, Mebosa that calls for a Jewish state in all of historical Palestine – that makes you the racist. And you have yet to point out ANY lies in my posts. In fact, you are unable to intelligently defend your views – any more than your average Brownshirt.

  16. Ruvy said on July 30th, 2009 at 2:08am #

    I eagerly await the day America wakes up and offers them all one-way tickets to their private Valhalla and encourages them to make “the desert bloom” on their own fucking dime.

    Hear! Hear! Best idea I’ve read on this site so far. Americans will have succumbed to the instincts of the liberal fascists – but we will not have this huge nuber of people in exile to worry us. Other benefits: we will be ripped free of the sick and diseased American economic nipple, our startups will not be sold to Americans, and we alone will benefit by our own advanced technology, leaving the rest of you in the mud of your own ignorance, we’ll have a fresh supply of soldiers to defend our country – and most important, we’ll have a majority big enough that we need not worry about annexing Judea and Samaria at all!

  17. Mulga Mumblebrain said on July 30th, 2009 at 3:52am #

    I wonder if the new golem ruvy is just another ‘megaphone’ Zionazi sent to spray us with hasbara. It is interesting, ‘though, don’t you think, that they don’t bother arguing anymore, its just straight arrogance, racial supremacism and total contempt for their victims. Really, can it any more be argued that the Rightwing of Zionism is not just about the vilest swamp of human viciousness anywhere. If the golems really represent Judaic opinion, then a real apocalypse beckons, because these implacably cruel and sadistic swine are armed to the teeth with thermonuclear weapons.

  18. Don Hawkins said on July 30th, 2009 at 5:42am #

    It is interesting, ‘though, don’t you think, that they don’t bother arguing anymore, its just straight arrogance,

    It looks like it and just think in four years just more arrogance but but much can change in four years.

  19. bozh said on July 30th, 2009 at 6:02am #

    patience please,
    we won’t have talmudniks with us forever. In any case, a talmoodnik speaks against israel; so, that’s OK.

  20. mebosa ritchie said on July 30th, 2009 at 7:54am #

    then a real apocalypse beckons, because these implacably cruel and sadistic swine are armed to the teeth with thermonuclear weapons.

    don’t forget it megla,b99,opeluboy,mary and all the other racist anti-semites that post on this site

  21. kalidas said on July 30th, 2009 at 8:51am #

    Then perhaps it’s about time for the “Delilah option?”

  22. kalidas said on July 30th, 2009 at 9:00am #

    Dostoievsky, one of legion.

    How odd that great people of many many eras, all 0f whom having incredible intellect, huge compassion, superb insight and a profound sense of justice were, at one time or another, invariably afflicted with (or should I say by?) one fault, one dereliction, one shortcoming alone, as if by some unseen force..

    Yep… anti-semitism.

    Giants all. Men among men. Forever famed. Forever loved.

    Except they were all anti-semites.

    Who’d a thunk it?

  23. kalidas said on July 30th, 2009 at 9:13am #

    Want proof?

    The third comment says it all.

  24. mebosa ritchie said on July 30th, 2009 at 11:29am #


    American Renaissance
    Yggdrasil’s Library

    National Vanguard

    David Duke
    European Americans United

    Modern Tribalist

    American Patrol
    Nationalist Party USA

    Black Invention Myths
    Vanguard News Network

    Council of Conservative Citizens
    Wake Up Or Die

    Western Voices World News
    Michael Polignano

    K.A. Strom’s Resource Page

    National Alliance
    Occidental Quarterly

    Last Ditch

    Original Dissent Forum
    Western Safeguards Initiative


  25. Ruvy said on July 30th, 2009 at 12:17pm #

    I wonder if the new golem ruvy is just another ‘megaphone’ Zionazi sent to spray us with hasbara. It is interesting, ‘though, don’t you think, that they don’t bother arguing anymore

    Aw gee, thanks for the compliments, Mulga. Truth is, folks like you expect hasbara – explanations. You expect some Jew to come whining to you pleading his case, begging you to like him – to respect him – something. You expect him to come on his hands and knees and then you read and laugh with contempt – and kick him in the face.

    I’m not some bent-back kike who sprays you with hasbara or wants to convince you of anything. I do not care if you like me, my kind or my views. You are not worth ” arguing” with because you have no respect for bent-backed kikes – or any other kind of Jew. But you do respect the willingness to kill you off with nukes, and that is certainly a quality that I and those who are like me have – something you would all do well to remember.

    So here is the deal, kids, so you all comprehend what is going down.

    There is as huge chasm in Israeli society between secular Jews who want “peace” – and believing Jews like me who want victory. The first series of rocket attacks from HizbAllah on this country in 2006 really shook all those secular Jews who want “peace”. But the control of the country is still in the hands of traitors – folks you call war-criminals; Netanyahu, Peres, Livni, Barak, Mazuz others. They betray the interests of the country to serve their paymasters in Washington (Netanyahu, Livni, Barak) or Brussels (Peres, Mazuz). So they will do nothing to counter the existential threat from South Lebanon, which is no longer rockets, but liquid fuel high explosive missiles; they will do nothing to counter the threat of rockets from Gaza; and most important of all, they will do nothing to counter the threat of dirty bombs launched from the latest incarnation of the Persian Empire, the Islamic Republic.

    The fact that none of you can deal with, the reality that none of you mention, is the terrible bloodlust of the Arabs in this country, a bloodlust born of Wahhabi teaching that anyone who is not of their sect must either convert or die. That bloodlust will be the death warrant of Arabs living in the Land of Israel.

    In the near future all of the existential dangers I mentioned above – rockets, missiles and dirty bombs, will strike this country and thousands of Jews in the west of Israel will die in an inferno of murder and death. One effect will be that the government in Jerusalem will lose all of its legitimacy – its base, the “peace”-loving secular Jews, will desert it and start thinking like I do. They will get in vehicles with whatever weapons and ammo they can scrounge up, and will drive east and north, killing every single Arab they see. There will be a bloodbath of death for Arabs that they are not expecting at all, for a ferocious hatred will overcome these betrayed Jews.

    The Arabs will flee as fast as they can, and will get no sympathy from any Jew. Those with their fingers on this country’s nuclear triggers will pull them, and the enemy will be decimated in a nuclear holocaust.

    Remember what I’ve told you. No hasbara, no desire for you to like me of my views – just the nightmare of the future coming down the road with headlights that get bigger daily.

  26. Don Hawkins said on July 30th, 2009 at 1:45pm #

    Ohhh! Great warrior!
    Wars not make one great!

    “You must unlearn what you have learned.” “Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will…”

    “You will know (the good from the bad) when you are calm, at peace. Passive. Uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack. ”

    Ruvy when you are calm, at peace.

  27. bozh said on July 30th, 2009 at 2:22pm #

    most ‘jews’ wld choose mosheic/talmudic moral [mis[teachings before obeying world moral [mis[teachings.
    on int’l level, most ‘jews’ violate or approbate/demand violation of all basic int’l laws and basic human rights.

    furthermore, when on interpersonal level, ‘jews’ will always obey talmudic ‘laws’ over even some nat’l laws let alone [un] written interpersonal laws.

    once a ‘jew’ evaluates as true that s/he’s light onto the world, that ‘jew’ will, without fail, try to jew you out or actually cheat/mistreat you.

    is it any wonder that european ‘dupes’ cldn’t stand these people? And now that USans see what these light-onto-the world-people do more and more americans are getting madder and madder by day.

  28. B99 said on July 30th, 2009 at 2:56pm #

    Ah, Ruvy. Here is the problem, Ruvy. Ultimately, Israel is NOT going to use the nukes – because buried within each Israeli is the racial memory of being the back-bent Jew, and they will return to that in-turned, helpless passivity when push really comes to shove. You see, the problem with Jewish culture, at least the Ashkenazi variety, is that it is ultimately self-destructive. Jewish culture, even secular Jewish culture, is the offspring of Orthodox Jewry, a most internalized and self-examining religious culture. And what they see in themselves, their deepest selves, is a humanity they despise. Yet they can’t help going down that path – like a junkie, like a child-molester, like a deep depressive with constant thoughts of suicide. They stay away from subway platforms because they know they will someday leap. And one day, they don’t stay away – and they leap. It’s a culture that finds ironic satisfaction in bargaining for the extra nickel, adding fine-print to the contract, or removing the word ‘the’ from ‘the territories’ – knowing all along, that at some point they will be discovered and punished. Madoff is the premier example of this self-hating behavior. He has gone quietly to prison after a lifetime of lies – lies he knew he and his family would pay for in this very life. The Germans found Jewish culture a bit repellent. Hitler was able to tap into this repulsion and convince Germans that their success would follow the elimination of Jewry. Revisionists Jews – the Jews of Jabotinsky, went along with the Fascists and Nazis out of a sense of identification with a totalitarian ideology that would raise the Jews out of their miasma – almost right up to the moment the freight trains carried them off. These revisionist Jews yearned to be true Nazis, but fell woefully short, because the old back-bent Jew of the stetl and ghetto bubbled up to the surface, as they knew it would. A Jewess once told me that the Holocaust was God’s punishment for their having betrayed God. But the lesson has not been learned – they continue to betray God – in the end, Israel will not push the button, and Israel will disappear as it did once before. Because you see, part of this self-destructiveness, is the inability to organize on a sufficient level that any fool gentile people can do – Spain, France, Russia, Brazil, Egypt, even Borat’s Kazahkstan – big countries all. And then there is little Israel – the gift of the gentiles, created by the gentiles and maintained by the gentiles – 2000 years after the gentiles ended it. When the financial and diplomatic cover is finally pulled, the Madoff personality will take over, as surely as Hyde becomes Jekyll and back again – and the Jews will squabble, make arrangements, and vacate. Then the largest concentration of Jews in the world will be in Williamsburg, Brooklyn. Welcome Home!

  29. mebosa ritchie said on July 30th, 2009 at 4:00pm #

    b99 i said you are a liar
    the above load of crap proves it
    not only are you a racist anti-semitic jew hater but you are really stupid.
    that’s why you will remain jealous,because you’re too stupid to change your mindset

  30. Don Hawkins said on July 30th, 2009 at 4:26pm #

    In just a few years jealous is not something we will have to concern ourselves with and what will we being doing? Trying to survive so need comes to mind. Look they have food am so jealous.

  31. B99 said on July 30th, 2009 at 5:32pm #

    Mebosa – Where is the lie? Here’s something for you and Reuven to read.

    How the Jews stole Palestine.

    Haifa, a mixed Arab/Jew town was the Jewish terror gangs first urban target in 1947, a half-year before the Arab states attacked. Jews shelled and sniped Arab workers. They poured burning oil on the roads, and when Palestinians emerged from their homes, they machine-gunned them. Terror gangs sent their cars to Palestinian repair shops filled with explosives. They threw bombs at factory workers. This is how Israel came into being – a process repeated all over the country.

  32. B99 said on July 30th, 2009 at 6:27pm #

    How the Jews stole Palestine.

    The Jews’ massacre of Palestinians in the village of Deir Yassin – BEFORE statehood was declared – and OUTSIDE the area slotted by the UN for Jews is most infamous – “There is…no doubt that many sexual atrocities were committed by the attacking Jews. Many young school girls were raped and later slaughtered. Old women were also molested. Many infants were also butchered.”

  33. B99 said on July 30th, 2009 at 7:50pm #

    How the Jews stole Palestine.

    In other Palestinian villages similar attacks were carried out by Jewish terror squads in late 1947 and 1948. The usual method was to blow up as many houses as possible, bomb them with mortars and rockets – but also loudspeaker broadcasts of poison gas warnings and atomic weapons. In quick succession, Palestinian towns and cities – Tiberias, Haifa, Jaffa, Acre and Arab Jerusalem were emptied.

  34. Ruvy said on July 30th, 2009 at 10:32pm #

    Don, bozh, b99,

    Thanks for the laughs. And b99, spare the phoney history for the fools who believe Arab fairy tales, like Sinbad. They’re wasted on me.

  35. Mulga Mumblebrain said on July 30th, 2009 at 11:33pm #

    Ruvy, of course they’re wasted on you. You’ve proved yourself a nasty Judeofascist racist already. I suppose you’re proud of yourself. The humane fractions of Jewry and humanity would, I imagine, see you as a perfect example of the moral imbecility and spiritual viciousness of Zionazism.

  36. Mulga Mumblebrain said on July 31st, 2009 at 12:40am #

    Oh, dear, I’ve only just read ruvy’s psychotic rant. My, my. Clearly, in my opinion, at least, ruvy is insane, but one must ask-how many others are there like him, and how many are in positions of power? We know that during the terrorist assault on Gaza, that rabbis preached that the Gazans, all of them, were the’Sons of Darkness’ and the Israelis ‘The Sons of Light’, and that this was a war between good and evil. Well they were correct there. Hence the shocking atrocities, the deliberate murders of civilians, the killing of the mother and her two children, shot for turning the wrong way (that’s the excuse. Shot for no reason but bloodlust is also possible).
    While Ruvy is having himself on imagining that the ubermenschen of the Judaic Herrenvolk would have it so easy in slaughtering the ‘two-legged animals’ judging from the kicking Hezbollah has given them twice (the second time, in 2006, using their second-string fighters) one must admire his homicidal instincts. Obviously born at another time and place, ruvy would have made a fine member of any Einsatzgruppe, machine-gunning the men, women and children as they lay, neatly in the ditches. This mentality was pithily encapsulated by Professor Amor Soffer Head of the IDF National Defense College, in 2004. Speaking of the coming siege of Gaza he said,
    ‘..when 1.5 million people live in a closed-off Gaza, it’s going to be a human catastrophe. Those people will become even bigger animals than they are today, …the pressure at the border will be awful. It’s going to be a terrible war. So, if we want to remain alive, we will have to kill and kill and kill. All day, every day ….If we don’t kill, we will cease to exist….Unilateral separation doesn’t guarantee peace- it guarantees a Zionist-Jewish state with an overwhelming majority of Jews…
    As I say, you must admire the genocidal instincts of the Zionazis, but I’m certain that the days of easy victories by the Judaic ubermenschen are over. Hezbollah have shown the way, and the IDF has been reduced in its proficiency by too many years specialising in killing children, and terrorising old men and women at check-points. The psychotic swagger of the Zionazis after their famous victory over the children of Gaza, and the sneering, arrogant threats to ‘hit’ Lebanon again, were proof, I’d say, of a state sinking into a mire of insanity, evil and self-delusion. But, never forget, these madmen have hundreds of nuclear weapons, and people like mebosa and ruvy not far from the trigger.
    Zionazi evil, of course, is not confined to the barbarity of the Occupation. The Judaic Lobby, around the world, is the centre of hatemongering against and demonisation of Moslems. In Australia Judaic fascists in the media openly preach hatred of Islam, and are answered by truly vicious bloggers, published right under admonitions not to preach racial vilification. The hypocrisy is insane, as, on the other hand, any criticism of Israel is routinely abused as ‘anti-Semitism’ designed to foment a new Holocaust. The hysterical whinging and self-pity of the bullyboys, is reflected perfectly by the vicious indifference to the one hundred times greater suffering of the ‘two-legged animals’. Yet the racist persecutors demand that we side with them against their victims, otherwise we will be bullied, vilified and reviled. With their total control of the local media (despite truly insane complaints of bias towards the Palestinians. Apparently bias is entailed if the word Palestinian is not everywhere and always used only in conjunction with the word ‘terrorist’) there is no propaganda ‘war’. The media is entirely biased to Israel and Jewry, and as Mebosa hints, it had better stay that way. You never know who may have to be nuked.
    I think we ought to publish ruvy’s views far and wide. They’d never be allowed in the mainstream media, as they paint too clear a picture of the Zionazi mentality. Clearly Israel is fast becoming a real threat to human peace and welfare far beyond the borders of Palestine. And as ruvy and mebosa show, there is worse, far worse, to come.

  37. mebosa ritchie said on July 31st, 2009 at 3:33am #

    now mugla and b99
    you racist anti-semites are going to have to get your views sorted
    either b99 is right that the jewish mentality is to be a victim
    or mugla–israel,the zionists and the jews are a threat to the world because they are so powerful

    classic anti-semitism
    the right blame the jews because they are socialists and communists
    the left blame the jews because they are fascists controlling the world

    you are all intellectually bereft; just obsessed racists
    by the way b99 you are still a liar

  38. mebosa ritchie said on July 31st, 2009 at 5:28am #

    MUGLA-even your own prime minister is getting fed up with you and your islamo-fascist friends

    Prime Minister Kevin Rudd – Australia

    Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks..

    Separately, Rudd angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation’s mosques. Quote:

    ‘IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians. ‘

    ‘This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom’

    ‘We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language.. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!’

    ‘Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.’

    ‘We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.’

    ‘This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, ‘THE RIGHT TO LEAVE’.’

    ‘If you aren’t happy here then LEAVE. We didn’t force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.’

  39. Melissa said on July 31st, 2009 at 5:59am #

    I can’t imagine saying that in USA when most of our immigrants come here because our government destroys their homelands, or destablizes them so completely. I can’t speak for why Australia is a destination for immigrants, but a significant enough amount of USA immigrants these past decades are refugees of our making.

    It is mind blowing though that the language issues have such a price tag in public ed, school bus drivers do not speak English, and I can take a drivers license test in 68 languages! Rather than integrating, the result is more self-segregation, and none of us knows how to preserve cultures and languages without some insulating. It is sad to see first generation of immigrant families struggle with culture and identity rebellion. Too many external expectations!


  40. B99 said on July 31st, 2009 at 6:07am #

    Who you kidding Rueven? It was you that raised the spectre of the bent-back Jew. You know he still lurks in you – it is still you. When it comes to pushing the button you’ll be rocking to the Talmud and petitioning G_D with scribble stuck into the cracks of a Jerusalem wall. You got carted off by Nebuchadnezzer, aced yourselves at Masada, and lay down for the Nazis. The only think you guys are packing are your bags. Same as it ever was.

    “Ruvy, Ruvy, Ruvy will you be mine? – yeh, yeh” (Old rock song, slightly changed to honor Rueven in his bedroom packing for the Diaspora.)

    Oh, yes, the history. That is courtesy of the IDF, whose files are released after 50 years. And with each release you can hear the collective groan of rightwing historians.

  41. B99 said on July 31st, 2009 at 6:21am #

    Mebosa comatosa – Remember, it is only you calling for the expulsion of the Palestinians – that makes you the racist. And you have yet to point out where I have lied. No can do, eh?

  42. mebosa ritchie said on July 31st, 2009 at 7:58am #

    israel gasses arabs–lie
    israel poisons water–lie
    israel practices apartheid–lie–go and sit in an israeli hospital waiting rooms–full of arabs getting free treatment
    zionism is racism–lie
    jews drink arab blood–lie
    jews rape arab women–lie
    if you are stupid enough,and you are,to believe and repeat the crap put out as truth by lieing arab propaganda,then you will believe anything.

    israel builds a barrier to stop arab terror attacks—true
    israel responds to 8,000 rockets fired at its civilians–true
    israel the jewish,zionist state has fought off at least 5 arab wars,aimed at destroying it—true
    the jewish state of of israel provides sanctuary for african refugees fleeing from arab attempts at genocide—true
    israel is prospering despite the un,arabs,anti-semites,racists like you,b99—true
    have a nice day

  43. B99 said on July 31st, 2009 at 8:31am #

    Mebosa –

    israel gasses arabs–lie (Actually, TRUE as per copious documentation)

    israel poisons water–lie (Actually, TRUE as per int’l documentation)

    israel practices apartheid–lie–go and sit in an israeli hospital waiting rooms–full of arabs getting free treatment (As I always state – Israel practices JIM CROW in Israel, it reserves APARTHEID for occupied Palestine)

    zionism is racism–lie (Actually TRUE – as per UN. UN reversed this decision under duress by the US)

    jews drink arab blood–lie (What? Who ever said that?)
    jews rape arab women–lie (Actully, TRUE – as per Israeli Benny Morris)

    israel builds a barrier to stop arab terror attacks—true (Actually, the main purpose of the Apartheid Wall is to facilitate annexation of the rest of Palestine without hindrance)
    israel responds to 8,000 rockets fired at its civilians–true (FALSE – the several hundred home-made rocket attacks are the meager Palestinian response to the genocide and occupation by Israel)

    israel the jewish,zionist state has fought off at least 5 arab wars,aimed at destroying it—true (Actually, FALSE – Israel started all wars but one – and that was the 1973 attack by Egypt and Syria on Israel-held positions in their own countries. The other wars were an effort by Israel to make itself bigger – they’ve never been happy with the paltry sum of Palestinian land the gentile granted them.)

    the jewish state of of israel provides sanctuary for african refugees fleeing from arab attempts at genocide—true (Sentimental claptrap for propaganda purposes. Israeli Jews hate black Jews, nevermind black non-Jews. What do they call them – Kushies, right?)

    israel is prospering despite the un,arabs,anti-semites,racists like you,b99—true (Actually, Nazi Germany prospered to. Let’s not confuse business activity with ethics and morality.

    have a nice day (TRUE – I am, thank you.)

  44. Ruvy said on July 31st, 2009 at 9:27am #

    Golly, Mulga, you are just full of compliments, aren’t you? Let’s start out with a few compliments in return. Obviously, you are good with names and name-calling and not much else. Jew-hating swine like you don’t generally deserve my attention. But since you have done all that typing…..

    There are a pack of self-hating Jews down in Oz, as there are wherever Jews congregate in exile. They are a pathetic bunch, and evidently they are the ones you like – people who swallow their own vomit and beg you for a compliment. I do not wish evil upon them, but for reasons that your sub-human brain cannot fathom, evil will probably catch up with them and kill them in one way or another.

    I won’t wish evil upon you either, in spite of your vicious name calling – but I’m confident that the evil in your soul will catch up with you and destroy you in the Almighty’s good time. Since you are at the arse end of the earth (likely near a smelly hole), it is not worth my effort to even think of harming you – it would be too expensive for my wallet!

    I know you will find this hard to believe, but I do not hate the Arabs at all (if they kill some relative of mine in the IDF, that will change). I expect, at some future time, Arabs and Jews to get along very well here, with Arabs seeking to offer sacrifices at our Temple that will be built on the Temple Mount. Finally, Mulga, if we actually do build gas chambers to murder off Arabs (along with interfering scum from America, Europe and Australia), I’ll request you to send me a death’s head dagger with a hakenkreuz on it. With your intimate knowledge of German and Nazi customs, I’m sure you have a few laying around.


    Your efforts to paint me as what you want all Jews to be are funny, amusing – but tiresome.

    As to your comments to Mebosa; in war, all sorts of atrocities occur. War is, after all, organized butchery, no matter who is fighting or what the reason. And during organized butchery of humans, all humans (even Jews), forget that there are limits to civilized behavior. What those limits are, however, are not necessarily prescribed by some bunch of tiresome suits from the UN or some finger waving prick from the Vatican. OUR limits are found in the Books of Numbers and Deuteronomy, and the Book of Joshua. And when we follow those rules, you will discover just how nasty organized butchery can be – if you live to see it. For reasons I’ll not bother you with, I do not think you will live to see these things. No – I’ll not seek your harm. Again, you are too far away for me to bother. A Higher Authority will at long last make good the words of Bila’ am – “he who blesses Israel shall be blessed – he who curses Israel shall be cursed”.

    And now I must leave you all. The Sabbath is upon us here in Israel, and I do not work upon a computer during the Sabbath. So, we’ll see you all on the other side of the weekend.


  45. mebosa ritchie said on July 31st, 2009 at 10:17am #

    shabbat shalom
    or by the time you read shavua tov
    have a good week and rejoice on tu b’av

  46. B99 said on July 31st, 2009 at 10:54am #

    Ruvy – You find my posts tiresome – but you find them true. The Old Hebrew days are gone, the fake stories (from a fake ‘holy book’) of vanquished enemies, and smiting so and so, are nonsense tales to rev up what was already a group in decline. But I’m in agreement with your assessment of the bent-back Jew, the caricature of a human – that little homunculous that exists in every Israeli-Jew. They will hold a yard sale in Ma’le Adumim, sell the house on the cheap to a family of Falashas, and move to their cousin the landlord’s dull apartment in Brooklyn.

    Yes, in war all sorts of atrocities occur, glad you (if not Mebosa) understand all I type is true – even Holocausts occur in war. Who’s to complain? But don’t depend on your god for deliverance, you failed him more than once and look at what happened. Tick tock.

  47. kalidas said on July 31st, 2009 at 12:07pm #

    mebosa, I could have included some selections from the demonic Talmud, but that would indeed be stepping over the line.

  48. kalidas said on July 31st, 2009 at 12:33pm #

    Oh, and mebosa, it’s obvious who you hate so much.
    Not Duke or Pierce, VDARE or Last Ditch.

    Dostoievsky, Tolstoy, Solzhenitsyn, Cicero, Belloc, Webster(s), Listz, Luther(s), Bacon, Twain, Shaw, Wagner, Fitzgerald, Emerson, Burton, Dreiser, Sand, Voltaire and on and on and on and on … is who you hate.

    Here it is again. The truth you hate so much.
    Not because it is the truth of the past, rather the truth of the present..

  49. B99 said on July 31st, 2009 at 2:14pm #

    How the Jews stole Palestine.

    The Jewish genocide plan was known as Plan Dalet, the fourth of such elimination plans. Many Palestinians in Haifa were literally driven into the sea where they drowned, others driven into the desert, where they perished as well.

    In the words of Yigal Allon, ‘hero of *Israeli War of Independence.* “we need to clean the inner Galilee” (of Arabs, of course). Allon asked Jewish *friends of the Arabs* to tell them “to escape while there is still time…. The tactic reached its goal completely…. The wide areas were cleaned.”

    That was Allon’s remarks on the success of Plan Dalet as outlined in the Book of Palmach. Allon concedes, that but for the belated efforts of the Arab states, ‘there would have been no stop to the expansion of the forces of Haganah.” It was all by way of mass murder and grand theft.

  50. Mulga Mumblebrain said on July 31st, 2009 at 3:17pm #

    Golem mebosa has it quite wrong about Rudd. By the by, thanks for the gibberish in your salute to your fellow psychotic ruvy. Just love that egobabble! Rudd is not my PM-he is a simulacrum, with hair, of his predecessor, Howard. He is owned by the local Jews, unlike Howard, who was a willing stooge. Rudd kicks the Islamophobic can because that keeps the contributions flowing from the local Judeofascists, who own the country just like they own the rest of the West. Moreover if he showed the slightest deviation from Jewthink, they would destroy him, through their plethora of media stooges and agents who infest the Rightwing media. We are currently in an upswing of Judaic directed Islamophobia, which is actually a little difficult to discern from the perennial background drone of hatemongering against Moslems, Arabs, the Palestinians and the Iranians. However its purpose is plain, aside from the satisfaction of the psychopathy of local Judeofascists, who like the golems here, live and breathe hatred. Periods of intensified hatemongering always come before some new Judaic atrocity, and it looks like the attack on Iran cannot long be delayed, particularly as Netanyahu, like ruvy (nomme de folie perhaps?) is showing all the signs of the crisis of dementia zionistica. Keep an eye out for the coming ‘scandal’ to be unleashed over the next few days over the decision to allow the Hezbollah TV station to be broadcast here. The local media authority found it acceptable to be broadcast, and within nano-seconds the Judaic Tought Police were mobilising, with the slur of ‘anti-Semitism’ to the fore. I expect Rudd to fold today or tomorrow. The Judaic paymasters of our corrupt political system expect total obedience and they judge the effort by its alacrity or the absence of it. A delay of days in obedience would be detrimental to Rudd’s future.
    For what it’s worth mebosa, Jew-hater I’m not. I could list hundreds of Jews I admire deeply, from the peace activists the Judeofascists label ‘self-hating Jews’ to the famous Jews of recent history, Einstein, the Menuhins et al who were universalist humanitarians, not crude and vicious chauvinists and religious bigots. Even Judeofascists like you mebosa, I hold more in contempt than hate. Hatred is a poisonous thing, as you and ruvy so plainly illustrate. The hate-filled Jews, the Likudniks, the corrupt Rabbis of Shas, the scurrilous religious fanatics, the Judaic Taliban of the brutish settler claque, they’re all Jews, but they are all, also, bad human beings. Saying so is not ‘anti-Semitism’, its simple moral hygiene. Just because someone wears a little hat, cuts his male member in prescribed manner, or doesn’t mix his blood with his milk does not make him immune to the laws of human decency. Being a Jew is no more a ‘get out of gaol free’ card than being a Swedenborgian. I suggest you look to your own soul mebosa, cease vilifying those who stand up for human values and international law and drop the arrogant presumption that the Jews are the most important people in the Universe. Sorry, but you’re just another tribe like all the others, just more dangerous in your obsessions and delusions and your nuclear arsenal than the Basques or Kurds. Keep up the belligerence, the arrogance, the cruelty and you will be the architects of your own destruction, or moral and spiritual death.

  51. B99 said on July 31st, 2009 at 8:10pm #

    Time for another lesson!

    How the Jews stole Palestine.

    The Jews implemented Plan Dalet which involved the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians. What the Zionists did was enter the villages, line up the men ages 10 to 50, and summarily shoot them. Rape a few women and send the rest scattering. The army of god, indeed.

    Israel came into possession of entire cities – farms, factories, animals, machinery, fine houses, furniture, carpets, clothes, works of art, family heirlooms of an ancient people, ten thousand shops, businesses, and rich Arab citrus holdings. — And to think that only Holocaust Jews are owed for seized assets.

  52. Mulga Mumblebrain said on July 31st, 2009 at 11:52pm #

    B99, I’ve got to disagree with your prognosis for Israel’s future, I’m afraid. I don’t see the Jews doing a cut and run. What I see, what I believe is already happening, is that the better type of Jew, those that do not wish to live in a fascist, racist state that specialises in the murder of children, and is being taken over by religious fascists, will leave Israel. Those that remain will become increasingly brutal and intransigent. The years of brutalising the Palestinians have led to an increasingly violent society inside Israel. The fundamentalists, who are the equivalent of the Taliban, will continue to breed like rabbits, and increasingly dominate Israel. Israeli organised crime, much of its run by far Right Rabbis under the cloak of religious freedom will grow. Israeli interference in the internal affairs of other countries, will, likewise, grow. Israel will go over to rank fascism. In my opinion, Netanyahu encapsulates this tendency. Arrogant, racist , paranoid, contemptuous of all non-Jews and certain that they all are ‘eternal anti-Semites’ under the skin, I see Israel becoming incredibly dangerous. The old Masada myth becomes more relevant by the day. At the moment here in Australia we are witnessing an hysterical intensification of anti-Moslem and anti-Iranian hatemongering, led by the Judeofascists and their goy stooges. Not only is it impossible to criticise this hate campaign, it is absolutely verboten to even mention its existence. Really, can there have ever been a greater irony than this, that the Jews, so recently the victims of fascist racism and terror, have become one of the greatest sources of those horrors, but a few decades later.

  53. jon s said on August 1st, 2009 at 3:57am #

    Wonderful! The lunatics have taken over! On the one hand a blatant Anti-Semite like Mulga and on the other an Israeli Right-wing extremist like Ruvy, and Kalidas who pastes links to neo- Nazi websites…All this on an ostensibly Left-wing forum.
    It just goes to show what a difficult task confronts the people who believe in peace and reconciliation.
    And to all the crazies, from both sides: you really deserve each other!

  54. Don Hawkins said on August 1st, 2009 at 4:51am #

    Look again at that dot. That’s here. That’s home. That’s us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every “superstar”, every “supreme leader”, every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there — on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
    Carl Sagan

    It’s like the pre-World War II calm in Britain when I was a young man. No one did anything until bombs began to fall. We really don’t notice climate change; it seems theoretical to most of us. When the first great climate disaster strikes, I hope we will all pull together just as if our nation was being invaded. James Lovelock

    The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge. –Stephen Hawking

  55. B99 said on August 1st, 2009 at 2:14pm #

    Mulga – Many Jews have already left, a few have moved back to Russia, but many are living now in the USA – and increasingly (and surprisingly, one might think) in Germany. They all still pretty much have ties to Israel, and I suspect that few think they have left for good – but the level of tension over time is increasingly untenable. You are right of course, by no means is the country emptying out. But there have been periods before where emigration has exceeded immigration – it can happen again on a larger scale. While the most fanatical likely remain, I would think those that have left are somewhat of a cross-section politically, maybe tending to the dovish, but not necessarily.

    But when large numbers leave, of whatever political persuasion, I believe it eventually changes the equation, some will see Israel as Kaput, others will see Israel as needing to come to terms with its growing situation. And the nazis will still be walking down the middle of Sueleiman Street with rifle on shoulder – but even a few of them will concede to Arab rule. This would be a sea change for sure, but the course of events has a way of intruding on the future. And maybe the world will not stand for what it ignores just now.

    I have no crystal ball. of course.

    Maybe its not so ironic that the Ashekanzim learned the lessons of Nazism so well. This is the political milieu they were raised in – between the Bolsheviks and the Fascist reaction to it – while the so-called liberal democracies rung their hands of it all. So they took a little socialism (for Jews only, of course), and a lot of fascism, and dismissed the liberal democratic approach as a dead end ideology. They admired Hitler, they just guessed wrong on who Hitler had in mind for elimination.

  56. B99 said on August 1st, 2009 at 2:17pm #

    Jon S – Your job in the US is to move Jews to the left. That’s your best hope.

  57. B99 said on August 1st, 2009 at 2:24pm #

    How the Jews won Palestine:

    The day after UN General Assembly Recommendation 181 passed, David Ben-Gurion began implementing what was to become Plan Dalet, in the works for months, which plan was to kill as many Palestinian males as necessary to make the rest of the population flee their country. It worked, the Jews summarily executed untold thousands of Palestinians and over 500 villages were emptied and bulldozed. Haifa, Jerusalem and other large towns were ethnically cleansed also.

  58. Max Shields said on August 1st, 2009 at 2:25pm #

    Your prognosis seems more on track with the direction of Israeli fascism. However, I do not think that a fascistic state, void of any semblance of “democracy” can be sustained. It is this direction that would be reach a kind of internal implosion.

    It is the liberals here and there, who keep up appearences…once out of the way…there is nothing but sheer unmitigated brutality, a force which can be directly confronted. Of course this is just a possible outcome, but one that is much more probabalistic than the rosy one of incremental Palestinian state-hood.

  59. kalidas said on August 1st, 2009 at 3:59pm #

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  60. Ruvy said on August 2nd, 2009 at 1:22am #


    Shavu’a tov, and thank you for the good wishes – and may you have a happy t’ u b’áv. As we say in Hebrew, todá rabá l’milím yafót merósh halév, v’gam yihyéh lakh t’u b’áv saméaH. Go check it out on Babelfish – you’ll find it there if you d not understand the language of my ancestors…. If they are your ancestors as well, so much the better!

    I used to be a Zionist, and was proud to be a Zionist. Once upon a time I described myself as a Zionist syndicalist socialist. And I was a member of Yig’al Allon’s political party aHdút ‘avodá. I was proud to be part of that organization. Allon did wisely, including “plan Dalet”, which has been criticized elsewhere on this comment thread.

    Today, I’m still a syndicalist socialist – but I realized that Zionism was a dying ideology. Its goal was to establish a “first growth of Redemption” reshít tz’miHát g’ulaténu – a sovereign Jewish homeland not under the control of goyisher pigs. But Jews who hate G-d and His plan for Redemption cannot ever fulfill the goals of Jewish return and resettlement in éretz yisraél – the Land of Israel.

    They will fail – and having become embittered with what they have created, many of them will leave or encourage their children to leave. An example in point is Ehud and ‘Aliza Olmert – two of whose children have pulled up their roots here and gone to America and France, respectively. Another example is the fat pig of a son of Ariel Sharon, ‘Omri, who said on video tape that his family wanted to get a load of money and get out. Good riddance to bad garbage!

    The point (and this is mostly for you, Mebosa, not the idiots at this site who stare into Jewish culture like retards glaring into a fishbowl) is that a tzémaH, a growth of a plant in the ground, has to be allowed to flourish and thrive and grow. If you try to prevent its growth, it will grow anyway. You cannot prevent nature from taking its course. And that is exactly what the idiots on Government Hill in Jerusalem are attempting in bowing to that dark evil prince of the setting sun, Obama, and his pet Jews, Emanuel and Axelrod.

    It’s obvious to all of us here that Obama is the enemy, and finally becoming obvious that the United States government is the enemy as well, a far more dangerous enemy than mad rag-head Wahhabi pigs who want to kill us here. With time, Israelis will make the painful admission to themselves that the United States government was always the enemy, even before and during WWII (ZOG worshipers and other retards at this site notwithstanding).

    The more evil the Netanyahu fascists do here under the pressure of the “blessed of Hussein”, the more that point will come to be clear. This autumn will be critical in the development of this point of view, and the gradual complete radicalizing of our population against the fascist servants and water-carriers of the United States and the EU. Daily, the Hebrew press loses more and more of it credibility, and sites like ‘Arutz Sheva gain in credibility.

    As for commenters like Mulga Mumblebrain (she picked that idiotic moniker, not I) and B99, they both look into what they think they know to be Jewish culture, and both think they can predict what we Jews will think and do. Two greater fools cannot be imagined, but until recently you had to hold the fort of sanity against them. You now have help, Mebosa, help from soneone who knows his history far better than the fools here who pretend to know.

    I’ve told you that Zionism – which sought to create a secular Jewish state that would be accepted by its neighbors, and more importantly, by the “civilized” nations of Europe and America, is a dying ideology, and it is. But the ideas underlying it are not dying, and are about to be jump-started by Jew-haters world-wide, Jew-haters who will blame Jews for the economic crisis and meltdown of the West.

    But that’s in the cards overseas, and to be frank, as Jews overseas cease to care about us, I cease to care about them. If you are indeed one of us, I strongly advise you to hie home to Israel as soon as you can, and bring as many people with you as possible. The future is not bright for Jews in exile.

    What is in the cards here though? Upthread, I wrote, “In the near future all of the existential dangers I mentioned above – rockets, missiles and dirty bombs, will strike this country and thousands of Jews in the west of Israel will die in an inferno of murder and death. One effect will be that the government in Jerusalem will lose all of its legitimacy – its base, the “peace”-loving secular Jews, will desert it and start thinking like I do. They will get in vehicles with whatever weapons and ammo they can scrounge up, and will drive east and north, killing every single Arab they see. There will be a bloodbath of death for Arabs that they are not expecting at all, for a ferocious hatred will overcome these betrayed Jews.

    The Arabs will flee as fast as they can, and will get no sympathy from any Jew. Those with their fingers on this country’s nuclear triggers will pull them, and the enemy will be decimated in a nuclear holocaust.”

    But what about afterwards? Afterwards, the vision of the tzémaH that needs to thrive will take hold in the imagination of the surviving Jews and serious work will begin on a Temple here. There will continue to be war here against foreigners, but the foreigners will not nuke Jerusalem. Jerusalem means too much to their own agendae and they want it intact. This is particularly true of the Shi’a and of the Vatican. Eventually, the economic breakdown that will afflict the world will make the foreigners actions confused, and they will not merely fight with us, they will fight with each other as well. And over time, the Shiá and Vatican will both fall.

    It will be out of this confusion that a strong Jewish state will arise. I cannot tell you exactly how it will operate or how this will occur; I’m no prophet. But the foreigners will lose faith in the “religions” that have kept them going, while ancient sources of wisdom (like the Vedic sources and Kabbalá) will become more and more familiar to people of real faith.

    Just a couple of closing thoughts for you, Mebosa. Don’t waste your time on terms like “anti-Semite”. The appropriate term is the German judenhass – Jew-hatred. Anti-Semite is a euphemism for the vicious haters of my people who still walk they earth, my they be extinguished soon! The second thought is this. The system of beliefs I was raised in will change radically in the not too distant future. Things like the Babylonian Talmud, which was a survival guide to our people in Exile will be discarded, as Jews figure out that they are no longer ashkenazím or s’f aradím, mizraHím and etyópim. We are all on people – Jews – yehudím. But there will be a paradigm shift as “lost” Israelite tribes become “unlost” – particularly the tribe of Ephraim. There are tens of millions of these folks and they will discard the blinders they now wear, and return to therir traditional beliefs of two millennia, and from there return to the original source of their beliefs – Torah.

    It’s a heady future – heady and dangerous – and only those who understand it – and whose behavior makes them worthy – will see it.

  61. Ruvy said on August 2nd, 2009 at 1:32am #

    Oh, yes – one other thought for you, Mebosa. Many of the Arabs who live in Judea were Jews and were pressured by the Ottomans or other Moslems to convert to Islam. They will walk away from this faith and return to their own people. At first, it will be very difficult. And the first few doing this will need a great deal of courage. But after the first few do it, more and more will follow.

    This will help in creating the reconciliation that will occur between the Children of Jacob and the Children of Kedar.

  62. mary said on August 2nd, 2009 at 1:55am #

    Palestine: a story of terror, war, conquest and dispossession

    By John Rees, Stop the War Coalition

    How could the ruthless expropriation of an entire people happen? In this short film, John Rees, a national officer of Stop the War Coalition, presents the history of how the state of Israel was born out of terror, war, conquest and dispossession of the Palestinian people.

    The film argues that two factors made the founding of the state of Israel possible.

    Firstly, was the support for the Zionists — a tiny minority among Jews worldwide — by the major powers, initially Britain and latterly the United States.

    The second factor was the impact of the holocaust — the industrial extermination of European Jewry by Hitler and the Nazis — which increased the sympathy for the Zionist cause, among Jews and non-Jews alike.

    But, argues Rees, the establishment of the state of Israel deepened the tragedy of the Jewish people, because it allowed the horror of the holocaust to be used as an excuse for the dipossession of the Palestinians, Thus one tragedy is used to justify a second, one great crime used to hide another.

    This is why, Israel has been in a virtually continual state of war since its creation in 1948. But how has this tiny state, with a population of six million — approximately the same as London — been able to survive? Only, as the film shows through imperial intervention in the Middle East, most notably by the United States.

    As Palestinian resistance to brutal occupation of their land continues 60 years after the creation of Israel, the film concludes by indicating how peace and justice can be achieved for a dispossessed people and for the Middle East region.

  63. Mulga Mumblebrain said on August 2nd, 2009 at 2:00am #

    Ah, ruvy, it’s good to have you back. I suppose you represent a few per cent of the really mad Jews, but you are certainly entertaining. I often suspect that the Jews just have too much history, and spent so much time in various ‘exiles’ concocting and confabulating such a gigantic and complex edifice of mythology and exegesis that they have ended up confusing themselves. I think if your clerico-fascist waking nightmares ever came to pass, and I must say your delight in slaughter makes you a veritable latter-day Joshua, that your dystopian charnel-house of an ‘Eretz Yisrael’ would soon see the Jews waging war on each other. After all delusions of purity and supremacy are all the better when shared only amongst a tiny elite. The ‘casting-out’ won’t wait long. The fate of Rabin, and the demented attempts to ‘curse’ Sharon for ‘withdrawing’ from Gaza (oops, I forgot-they worked!) say it all about the lunacy of extremists. Give me B’tselem, Uri Avnery and Gush Shalom everyday. By the by, ruvy-what are you going to do with those Jews who want to live in peace with the neighbours, not get their jollies from killing their children?

  64. Hue Longer said on August 2nd, 2009 at 2:19am #


    are you someone who can trace back their blood to Jews of the Old or New Testament or would it be easier to trace it back to Slavs or Chinese? I ask because it’s interesting you’d admit that the people killed and kicked out of “Israel” for the last 60 years were or could have been at one time Jews who for whatever reason became Christians and Muslims…sounds like if you are one of them who didn’t convert and never left that you should be siding with your Christian and Muslim brothers in wanting the Euros to stop stealing from your people. If not (I’m guessing not with your name…sorry if that’s ignorant), why do you think holy smoke is thicker than blood?

  65. Ruvy said on August 2nd, 2009 at 2:24am #

    By the by, ruvy-what are you going to do with those Jews who want to live in peace with the neighbours, not get their jollies from killing their children?

    I’m one of those Jews. I suppose I’ll look in the mirror in a little bit and shave – I have to go to Jerusalem on business in a while and need to be clean-shaven.

    Give me B’tselem, Uri Avnery and Gush Shalom everyday.

    Mulga, if you want them, take them. Get them to Australia where they can do us no harm in future. The only thing these Hiloní bastards and traitors do is incite violence. They all deserve to be hung by the neck – the punishment for treason in this nation. These Hiloní pigs are nothing more than Hebrew speaking Bundists who would betray their own and lead them back to slavery under the likes of – you.

    But if you want them, get them and their contamination the hell out of MY country. They long ago forfeited any right to live here Рeven old man Avneri, who fought with etzӎl to establish the State and got rid of the Pommie bastards who betrayed the Mandate. For his sake, let these scum live Рin your country Рnever to return here.

  66. Ruvy said on August 2nd, 2009 at 3:20am #

    are you someone who can trace back their blood to Jews of the Old or New Testament or would it be easier to trace it back to Slavs or Chinese?

    It used to be that tracing back ancestry was kind of difficult for most Jews like me. Records were often hard to come by, and where my father and grandfather lived, and where my mother’s parents came from, they were equally hard, partly because the last names changed due to marriage.

    Until the fall of the Communist regimes, I never had the opportunity to search at all. Now, that is a lot easier, but I never had the reason to care. I took it on faith that since my mother was Jewish, and since her mother was Jewish, I was Jewish. So does everybody else, by the way, including the ministry of interior of the government of Israel.

    How far back I can trace all this is problematic – most of the people I could ask did not survive to see the fall of the Communist regimes in Europe, and I never thought to ask them. But I have two distant relatives who are looking these things up. It is something I’ll have to get back to. But thank you for reminding me, as it were.

    Put simply, unless a whole bunch of Germans, Lithuanians or Poles come falling out of the family tree on my mother’s side (I’m sure there are a few), I assume that I’m a Jew and that I can trace that back to the days when my ancestors either fled or were driven out of the Land of Israel. My DNA is more like that of an Arab than a European, and this is true of most Jews who go back several generations without converts from the outside.

    Indeed, there is something called the “Aaronic Protein” on the “y” chromosome of about 65% of male Jews claiming to be kohaním – priests. This protein appears to be about 106 generations old, which gives you a date of sorts for the first high priest, Aaron. If you figure a generation to be about 32 or 33 years, you get an approximate figure for when Aaron – and therefore his brother, Moses – lived.

    There are some who argue that the Eastern European Jews are all descended from the Khazars, a Turkic tribe that coverted to Judaism about 1,000 years back. The argument would be attractive – and is to lots of Arabs who just cannot accept the truth, but the problem is that there are no Turkic words in Yiddish, the language spoken by Jews in Eastern Europe.

    Among the Pashtun, a people who claim to be descended from the Hebrew tribes exiled by the Assyrians 2,800 years ago or so, there are many Hebrew words or cognates in the Persian based language they speak, Pashto. In other words, even after 28 centuries, not only have ancient Israelite traditions survived but some Hebrew as well.

    By contrast, Yiddish, the language spoken by most Jews who lived in Eastern Europe, has no words of Turkic origin. None, whatever. Nothing, zilch, nada. That’s after only 10 centuries. That’s what causes the argumenty to fall on its face. In addition to this, there are NO Jewish customs that can be linked to nomadic tribes near the Don River in Russia. This means that the Khazars, after their empire fell, either converted to Islam or Chistianity, or merged in with the Jewish population. There was one famous Jew who had Khazar ancestry – Isaac Asimov. Asimov is a Khazar name. But there is nothing Turkic about his Russian family (that’s how I know this, I know his Russian relatives) except the high cheekbones.

  67. Don Hawkins said on August 2nd, 2009 at 4:00am #

    Last night here in the States I watched something on inspirational TV. You had one man in Israel and four people in the studio in the States. One man I see on Glenn Beck and another was a well known preacher. These salesman told people the end is near and a great war is going to start in the middle East. Of course it is all written in the bible and we all only have a few years before the good people go into the sky. The talk was about the holy of holy I guess the rock and this is all written in stone. It looks like about the land and who wins and who loses good and evil. Talk about self fulfilling illusion of knowledge and taking the easy way out. So far it is the easy way out. To face the problems illusion of knowledge probably the wrong approach the old myths with the knowledge we have now are in battle sort of. The easy way out to worship at the temple of doom is just that the easy way out. To solve the problems we face bombs and missiles war that makes one not great I don’t think is the answer. It is strange to see using myth to make the case to do nothing and yes we take cash check or credit card. I wonder do these people really believe all the stuff they tell people probably not and the death and destruction goes on. Did anybody get there litho graft of Michael Jackson yet only ten dollars call call now while the planet still can support life. You see the battle is on myth or knowledge and so far myth is in the lead it’s easy.

  68. Don Hawkins said on August 2nd, 2009 at 4:38am #

    I suspect that the process, inherent in competitive, amoral, capitalist societies, of selecting for the psychotic, unscrupulous and conscienceless has reached some crucial stage where the creatures this has produced and favoured have extended their innate destructiveness to include everything, including themselves. I get an uncomfortable feeling that the extreme Right has decided, subconsciously, to have done with humanity. Mulga

    Again the easy way out. It looks like the so called leaders and the problems we face to big and there third grade level thinking is the best they can do. I still think 2 million to start Capital one voice calm at peace could help. How about “the easy way out is no way out”. “The temple of doom is not the answer”. Then a 6 foot tall book titled The Book Of Knowledge. Then have a flying saucer land come on that would be a nice touch and on the saucer in big letters Earth. Shake them up oh yes a little outside the box thinking. Then as the Sun/star set’s with candles sing tomorrow tomorrow it’s only a day away. Can you feel it. Then walk to New York for the same thing in front of Wall Street, Goldman, and fox New’s as a start.

  69. Hue Longer said on August 2nd, 2009 at 4:51am #

    Thanks for your civil response, Ruvy…it was also informative on its own

    One more question…

    If Mebosa had but one drop in a million drops of claim (as I’m sure even Aboriginals from Australia possess), would that entitle him/her to the land more than an original son/daughter of the land going back to Abraham simply because he/she were of Jewish faith long “dispossessed” and mixed with others?

  70. mebosa ritchie said on August 2nd, 2009 at 6:20am #

    hue–all jews are entitled to live in their land,the land of israel

  71. Don Hawkins said on August 2nd, 2009 at 6:29am #

    And all human’s are entitled to live on the Earth,the land of come on the land of— Here’s where you might want to think outside the box.

  72. mebosa ritchie said on August 2nd, 2009 at 6:36am #

    for you mary
    this is more truthful than anything put out by any stop the war coalition–one of the least effective groups in existence

  73. bozh said on August 2nd, 2009 at 7:16am #

    it is more likely that groups of judeans with mosheic cult in 70 ad settled in arab lands.
    all shemites spoke branches of a common shemitic tongue; thus, it had been a natural thing for judeans to settle in lands whose languages were same or similar to that of judeo-canaanitic people with the cult.
    these people fled or were dispersed because rome cldn’t stand any cult, save own.
    so, in order to practice their cult and spread it, arabs had been targetted.

    obviously, a few rabbis immigrated also to khazaria in order to convert euro-asians. If a large number of judeans [let’s say, 5,000] settled in khazaria, that group of people wld have not ever abandoned the ‘holy’ language in which ‘god’ spoke to moshe.

    it is also likely that, since immigrants into canaan married so many canaanitic women, immigrants lost hebrew dialect long before even babylon conquset of j’lem.

    of course, sanhendrin was alarmed at loss of faithful and their acqusition of domestic language.
    Women nurtured babies and spoke to them in language they knew.

    converters in 10nth century in around caspian, not speaking either hebraic or canaanitic language, proves that no euros were ever of shemitic origin.
    this wld include al nonshemitic asians.

    that the eurojews had no shemitic last names until recently, indicates strongly that they were not descendants of any shemitic peoples.

    even the fiercest ‘zionists’ retain suffixes in their last names such as ‘ski, ‘sky, ich, itch, witz, thal, berg, stein, etc.
    ‘zionist-jewish’ business people do not hang out names such as shlomo, shmuel, shalamun, yitzhak, aharon, shimon, ze’ev, gurion,, moshe, yisroel, zebulun, do they?
    nevertheless, all this is curioso when it comes to jewish and nonjewish ‘zionists’ giving away land to criminals like shamir, begin, yabotinsky, gurion.
    if these ‘zionists’ loved ‘jews’ that much, they wld have settled euros with the cult in yukon, alaska, or northwestern territories, where they wld be much safer.
    thus, giving ‘jews’ own lands and not lands that do not belong to them.
    and i wld love to see all ‘jews’ to live in yukon…
    so that they wldn’t be gypping us and ripping what little we have. tnx

  74. B99 said on August 2nd, 2009 at 8:04am #

    Ruvy’s fanciful future history is but one version. More likely, (as I’ve written earlier) the sons and daughters of Israel will establish second homes and careers in the West – as they are already doing (and as Ruvy fondly describes). And their children will stay in the West – even Germany. In Israel, that which is truly Israeli and truly Jewish, will shrink and continue to do so. As in physics, the surface to volume ratio increases and so too the rate of attrition. At some point Israel is down to its die-hard elders – and die-hard they will do. What will be left are those few Jews who have come to terms with living in the East and who have come to terms with living in the ‘New Ottoman Empire’ – though this time it’s the Arab empire of Greater Syria. They will be a minority in the Empire – a situation typical of empires. The aged Ruvys of Palestine will be dead or dying. Along the way there will likely be more wars and more battles, a final one resembling Masada. Not the mythical Masada, where the Jews nobly opt to kill themselves rather than be taken by the goyisher-pigs, but the actual one, where the Jews are slaughtered fairly unceremoniously. Like the Jews of the Roman era, they only have to lose once for it to be over – and Palestine will be re-absorbed into the Greater Arab Nation, as was its intention and right before the Brits stepped in to sponsor and nourish a Euro-Jewish colony raised on the foul racio-political currents of late 19th century Eastern Europe – the political currents that Ruvy nursed on as any decent vampire would.

    THIS CULTURE OF RUVY’S, MAX SHIELD, is what you are up against, and it is hardly just Ruvy. You want to know Ruvy’s culture – spend 10 minutes in a settlement, or 20 in Jerusalem. Tel Aviv may take the entire day. But you will know Max Shield, that you are not going to marry the Jews and the Muslims (or the Christians especially) in a state of Abrahamic liberal-democratic matrimony until long after the day hogs wonder the streets of the Old City.

    Ashkenazi ‘blood’ is not more like an Arab, unless you want to add that it is more like an Arab than it is like a Swede. Or unless you want to broaden the gene pool to include all manner of Middle Eastern people, including the Khazars who by the time the Jews got there were already Slavified – no longer Turkic speaking. The DNA record shows that nearly half of Ashkenazim can trace ancestry on the maternal side to four Middle Eastern ‘Eves.’ That means most Jews do not trace to these women – their ancestry is unknown at this point – they may be Jews – or Russians, Germans, or Khazars. Male Jewish ancestry is mixed – and little to none can be tied directly to Canaan. More likely, they are traceable to lands outside of the Levant, similar perhaps to Kurds and Armenians – maybe the Khazars themselves, and other peoples long disappeared or absorbed (been known to happen, Ruvy). This Kohanim gene which so stirred up race-minded Jews everywhere has since been found to be in every other Kurdish Tom, Dick, and Amal between the Caucasus and Kirkuk.

    Does it mean anything that Jews can trace some ancestry to the wider region? Does it even mean anything that Israeli archeologists and anthropologists now believe Judaism likely emerged from the pre-existing Canaanite population, and that the journey out of Egypt, and the stories of Moses and Abraham are mere poppycock, said poppycock forming the underlying belief system, or merely an excuse for the Ruvys of Israel to rally around? The answer is no. The only Jews who had rights to Palestine are those who lived there when the Euro-Zions shipped in.

    What matters is not the myths of the ancients but who was on the ground when the outsiders arrived. They are still there, mostly on the periphery, but also interspersed in clots among the arrevistes. Their population will grow, and the Jews will kill them, and their population will grow – and Jews will either hire them – or bring in Filipinos. Either way, enough Jews will wonder back to the West, to make the entire Is-ra-el enterprise summable by a shrug. And life in the Levant will return to its pre-Hebrew roots.

  75. mary said on August 2nd, 2009 at 8:06am #

    The truth and nothing but the truth –

    Critically-injured peace activist Tristan Anderson moved into Rehab
    Wednesday May 27, 2009 11:01 by Saed Bannoura – IMEMC News

    Tristan Anderson, who was critically wounded by a high-velocity tear gas canister fired at his head by Israeli forces in March, has been moved from the intensive care unit of the Tel Hashomer hospital in Tel Aviv into a Rehabilitation Center at the hospital.

    Bil’in peace activists hold up the tear gas canister that killed Bassem Abu Rahme – the same type that injured Tristan Anderson (photo

    Anderson, a 37-year old peace activist from California, was participating in a non-violent demonstration against the Israeli Annexation Wall in the Palestinian village of Bil’in when he was shot in the head. He was taken to an Israeli hospital, where his girlfriend and parents have stayed by his side for the past two months while he remained in critical condition.

    Now, according to one of Anderson’s friends, he has been moved into the Rehabilitation section of the hospital, where he has begun to undergo speech therapy. His friend added, “Unfortunately, because of a brain fluid (csf) leak that he developed, he is often too tired to fully participate. Surgery is planned for the future to repair the leak and reconstruct his skull. “

    Since Anderson was injured on March 13th, one peace activist has been killed, and two more have been critically injured by the high-velocity tear gas canisters fired by Israeli forces directly at Palestinian protesters. The Israeli forces regularly use the tear gas canisters as weapons, according to multiple human rights groups and international observers, as well as Palestinian witnesses and participants in the weekly non-violent demonstrations.

    On April 17th, Bassem Abu Rahme, 29, was shot directly in the chest by a tear gas canister fired at close range by an Israeli soldier, and killed. Bassem Abu Rahme was the 18th individual to be killed by Israeli forces during a demonstration against the Wall.

    Abu Rahme was shot by the same type of tear-gas projectile, labeled “40 mm bullet, special/long range” and shaped like a large bullet, that critically injured Tristan Anderson in March. These specialized tear gas projectiles are produced in Israel, and tested on non-violent demonstrators in the Israeli-Occupied West Bank.

  76. mebosa ritchie said on August 2nd, 2009 at 8:33am #

    mary-your friends wouldn’t know the truth if it hit them in the face
    and neither would you
    try organised arab liars as a more accurate term

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  77. mary said on August 2nd, 2009 at 9:31am #

    Another fine piece from Joanna Blythman:

    “Letting this cesspit of legitimate Palestinian grievance ferment further by wringing small concessions out of Israel on settlements is woefully inadequate.”

  78. mary said on August 2nd, 2009 at 9:31am #

    Another fine piece from Joanna Blythman:

    “Letting this cesspit of legitimate Palestinian grievance ferment further by wringing small concessions out of Israel on settlements is woefully inadequate.”

  79. mebosa ritchie said on August 2nd, 2009 at 10:45am #

    one for you mary from the new york post

  80. mebosa ritchie said on August 2nd, 2009 at 10:49am #

    one for mary and her brother

  81. mebosa ritchie said on August 2nd, 2009 at 3:59pm #

    well,would you believe it????

    Explosives En Route to Hizbullah Caused Deadly Iran Plane Crash

    Explosives en route to the Hizbullah terrorist group caused a Russian-made plane to crash in Iran two weeks ago, claiming the lives of 168 people, according to a report in the Italian paper Corriere Della Sera on Saturday.

    The report quoted Middle East sources who said the plane, which took off from Tehran and was headed for Armenia, was carrying in its luggage compartment several metal cases with two kilograms of explosives and detonators destined for the Lebanese terrorist group. The shipment was meant to have continued by land from Armenia to Turkey, then to Syria, and finally to Lebanon.

    Only 16 minutes after takeoff, the pilot of the Tupolev jet reported an emergency. Shortly afterwards, the plane crashed near the city of Qazvin. Eyewitnesses reported hearing explosions in the plane before it crashed into the ground.

    The Italian paper also said that a member of the elite Iranian Revolutionary Guards was on board the plane to monitor the delivery of the goods to Hizbullah and that Iranian security forces arrived at the plane crash site. Iranian authorities have said that they recovered the plane’s three black boxes but have not yet offered an explanation for the fatal crash.

    The report also said that the explosives were meant to be concealed in southern Lebanon, but after an explosion in a Hizbullah weapons depot only a few days before the flight, the terrorist group decided they would be safer north of the Litani river. Tensions rose in southern Lebanon between Hizbullah and UNIFIL forces following the July 14th blast which reportedly destroyed a Hizbullah weapons cache, including numerous Katushya rockets.

  82. Ruvy said on August 2nd, 2009 at 8:49pm #

    Does it mean anything that Jews can trace some ancestry to the wider region? Does it even mean anything that Israeli archeologists and anthropologists now believe Judaism likely emerged from the pre-existing Canaanite population, and that the journey out of Egypt, and the stories of Moses and Abraham are mere poppycock, said poppycock forming the underlying belief system, or merely an excuse for the Ruvys of Israel to rally around? The answer is no. The only Jews who had rights to Palestine are those who lived there when the Euro-Zions shipped in.

    A pack of garbage – all of it. Israeli “archaeologists” generally have an agenda – atheism – so most if not all of their work is highly suspect. They willingly dismiss the clear evidence of Hebrew tribal existence to serve that agenda. As for most of you who think you know anything about us, you would not recognize a Jew from a jewfish. Period. The empty hypothesizing built on mounds of ignorance is highly amusing. And Bozh, get the spelling right. It’s “Mosaic”, “Semitic”, “Jabotinsky”.

    even the fiercest ‘zionists’ retain suffixes in their last names such as ’ski, ’sky, ich, itch, witz, thal, berg, stein, etc.
    ‘zionist-jewish’ business people do not hang out names such as shlomo, shmuel, shalamun, yitzhak, aharon, shimon, ze’ev, gurion,, moshe, yisroel, zebulun, do they?

    More garbage dug up from mounds opf ignorance and stupidity. All the “family” names that Jews have from Europe were forced upon them by Christian rulers. Do you read Hebrew that you can read the signs of shops and businesses in Jerusalem or Tel Aviv? I doubt it. In fact your utter and pathetic ignorance of the kinds of names used here is loud testimony to your utter and pathetic ignorance of Hebrew, and the languages that have influenced it. Keep writing, Bozh.

  83. Ruvy said on August 2nd, 2009 at 8:53pm #


    According to Israeli law, any Jew, according to the Law of Return, is entitled to live in the State of Israel or lands under its jurisdiction. according to the Law of Return, a Jew is the child of a Jewish mother.

    It’s not like in the States, where someone claiming (and able to prove) one sixteenth Indian tribal ancestry can open a casino.

  84. Mulga Mumblebrain said on August 3rd, 2009 at 3:31am #

    Oh, mebosa dear golem, only two things wrong with your Iranian airliner story. First I bet it’s bulldust, confected by some psychopathic hatemongering Zionazi disinformation group, and the truth is probably that the plane was sabotaged by the Yanks or Mossad or one of their terrorist proxies in Iran. And second, Hezbollah are not ‘terrorwists’. Israel are the state terrorists, with form going back to 1947. Hezbollah grew out of Shia resistance to Israel’s serial bloody, cowardly and brutal attacks on South Lebanon. In another of those arrogant flights of rabid egomania that the Zionazis are so prone to, they have long claimed South Lebanon up to the Litani, as the ‘birthright’ of the tribe of Asher, or some such Judaic malignant faery story. To ‘redeem’ the land from the ‘human cockroaches’ living there Israel maintained a particularly brutal occupation from 1978 until they ran, not up to taking the casualties, in 2000. You see mebosa, if you keep kicking people in the teeth, if you keep kicking their children and old people in the teeth, if you show them, day after day, decade after decade, that you regard them as ‘animals’ and yourselves as Gods, they will resist. It’s entirely your fault-you give them no choice. Just like the Jewish partisans who fought the Nazis. And one of the most pleasing sights of recent times is the vicious but impotent fury of the Judaic Herrenvolk at the unspeakable audacity of Hezbollah kicking their arse, not once, in 2000, but again in 2006. Apparently the Israelis thought training by killing children, and terrorising old women at roadblocks was sufficient to sweep away a few ‘two-legged animals’. Ho, ho!
    That’s the lesson for your fellow golem, ruvy, too. You might have really delicious dreams of slaughtering all the goyim who get in your way, like some latter-day Joshua, but, I hate to tell you, ruvy, the ‘two-legs’ are going to fight back, this time. That’s what Hezbollah have taught all Israel’s victims. The Herrenvolk are human, after all. I suggest you make a real peace, pronto, before its too late, and your Judaic Reich goes the way of the German, and one hopes, the American one too.

  85. Hue Longer said on August 3rd, 2009 at 4:33am #


    And there was a time where of course the mother rule didn’t apply for some “Jews” …Again, Jew by religion has more credibility over Jew by blood? By your own words you believe Palestinians descended from original Jews…Does this mean if they denounce their current religion and go backwards to what your people later adopted that they’d get their homes back?

  86. bozh said on August 3rd, 2009 at 7:16am #

    the ‘trump’ card: we were not allowed to ply trades, till land, work, etc., is no longer valid.
    what is valid is the fact that torah commands people with mosheic-talmudic cult to be lenders and not borrowers, etcetc.
    the devious priests knew that a small number of cultists can only grow if they control money markets. [one does not get rich working? Huh?]
    but, really, how much acumen had been needed to espy this fact; the fact that money buys liars, killers, deceivers?
    but eventually the cult of cults met another, even fiercest cult: the nazism.
    as bad as nazis were, even they did not go as far as euro-afro-asian converts did: they asserted, they were supranatural and as such needed not to obey laws of natural people.
    and that was history; now a mystory; followed by more histories and mystories.
    and histories for the cultists is bad: israelites and yahudim gone. Two to four mns cultists gone.
    that’s why euros are leaving the accursed region; accursed for the cultists, but not for the shemo-canaanites. And the rage/hatred of these cultists prove that they also might be seeing the writing on the wall! Or, no? tnx

  87. mebosa ritchie said on August 3rd, 2009 at 7:31am #

    mugla-what’s with the gollum business. i see myself more as gandalf the white.
    the stuff on the iranians,came from,
    a report in the Italian paper Corriere Della Sera on Saturday
    you obviously didn’t read the posting properly
    now everyone,but everyone, knows that the italian paper corriere della sella is a zionist propaganda sheet printed in the zionist country of italy.
    so you are correct on the first point
    the second point you make that the plane was sabotaged by mossad is probably correct as well.
    if mossad can be so effective in iran,you need to be worried big time that the long arm of the zionists might get you in australia.
    if i were you i would clear off to saudi arabia or to talebanistan. as far as i am aware mossad doesn’t operate in these areas,but i may be wrong.

  88. mary said on August 3rd, 2009 at 8:52am #

    Latest score Mulga Mumblebrain 1 M.Ritchie 0

    There is NO mention of any explosives on board in the above.

    This BBC report contains an ANALYSIS from Jon Leyne who can hardly be described as Iran friendly in his recent post-election reports. In fact he was ordered to leave Iran.

    There are no mentions of explosives on board other than on Jewish sites and blogs, all copy cats of the Corriere Della Sera ‘story’

    Jon Leyne, BBC News
    Iran has a notoriously bad air safety record. Because of sanctions imposed by the United States, Iran relies on an increasingly ageing fleet of airliners, and has trouble buying spares.

    There are tales of aircrew buying spare parts on flights to Europe, then sneaking them back to Iran in the cockpit. While those sanctions don’t apply to aircraft from Russia and Ukraine, many planes from those countries in the Iranian fleet also appear well past their best.

    For some people, flying in Iran can be a nerve-wracking experience. Stepping on board, it often becomes quickly apparent you are in a plane that has done many years service.

    There are also frequent delays because of the shortage of aircraft. Iranian engineers and aircrew do their best to keep their fleets in service.

  89. mebosa ritchie said on August 3rd, 2009 at 10:46am #

    of course i always believe the bbc!!!!!!!
    gollum 0 mugla 6