Israel Threatens War with Lebanon

Palestine is belligerently occupied. Threats continue against Iran and Syria as well as Lebanon, specifically Hezbollah, elected partner in the nation’s unity government, bogusly designated a US State Department Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO), what Israel also calls it, repeating veiled and overt warnings, suggesting violence or an impending attack.

Why not, after so many earlier in 1978, 1982, 1993, 1996, and 2006. Also numerous incidents besides:

– refusing to comply with UN Security Council Resolution 425 by occupying South Lebanon belligerently and illegally for 18 years until mostly, but not entirely, withdrawing in May 2000 – still holding Sheba Farms, the 14-square mile water-rich land near Syria’s Golan, also illegally occupied since 1967; in addition, Ghajar, the Lebanese village bordering Golan;

– during its occupation, using a proxy Christian South Lebanon Army as enforcer, UNIFIL Blue Helmets giving them and the IDF free reign instead of maintaining peace, how UN forces always operate, as paramilitaries against people they’re supposed to protect; and

– for over 40 years, repeatedly violating Lebanon’s territory, often daily, including 12 Israeli jet overflights on August 19.

Hezbollah: Israel’s Pretext for Incursions, Violence and War

Hezbollah was born out of Israel’s 1982 Lebanon invasion, its horrific war slaughtering around 18,000 people, mostly civilians, including in the Sabra and Shatila camps, what journalist Robert Fisk called “one of the most shocking war crimes of the 20th century.”

In 1999, it was put on the FTO list, removed after condemning the 9/11 attack, then added back by Dick Cheney after bogusly linking it with Al Qaeda.

Throughout his tenure, George Bush (and other administration officials) called Hezbollah, Iran and Syria “the root cause” of Middle East terrorism, despite Israel being the only threat, a notorious regional menace.

In mid-July 2010, Rep. Sue Myrick (R. NC) was over the top accusing the organization of being a threat on the US-Mexican border, saying:

Our intelligence sources have really clarified that they are in Mexico, that there is an operation that is quite large in place there, and it’s very frightening to me because this is national security. We know some of them have gotten across the border in the past…. They are starting to target the United States and that’s my concern.

She also linked Hezbollah with Mexican drug cartels, DEA assistant intelligence administrator Anthony Placido saying “There are numerous reports of cocaine proceeds entering the coffers of Islamic radical groups such as Hezbollah and Hamas” – reports as credible as Saddam’s WMDs.

Hezbollah, in fact, is politically legitimate, former Lebanon President Emile Lahood calling it “an integral part of the Lebanese government… (also) part of our military (and) social order,” what former Prime Minister Rafik Harriri confirmed. It’s also a social, charitable, educational, and medical organization, involved in establishing over 50 hospitals, over 100 schools, many libraries, and providing other essential social services, why it has broad support, especially among Shiites, comprising over 35% of Lebanon’s population.

In addition, its military wing is for defense, not belligerency, but it’s prepared to respond effectively when attacked, what Israel learned painfully in the 2006 war, outfoxed and humiliated despite a vastly superior force. It’s a lesson the IDF never forgot and wants to avenge, as well as conceal its own terrorist history, by far the region’s most extensive with tentacles reaching globally.

An early 2007 American University of Beirut study documented 6,672 Israeli terrorist acts against Lebanon and Palestine alone from 1967-2007 (plus thousands more since then), unrewarded by inclusion on America’s FTO list, Israeli influence getting others on it, including Hezbollah and Hamas, Palestine’s legitimate government.

Without evidence, Hezbollah’s rap sheet includes the 1983 US Lebanon Embassy and Marine barracks bombings, highjackings, hostage taking, rocket attacks against Israel, suicide bombings, and more, charges the organization vehemently denies, saying it responds only in self-defense against militants, not civilians, its leader Hassan Nasrallah stating: “Hezbollah remains on the US and Israel ‘terrorism’ list for purely political reasons and to punish the organization for its resistance to Israeli aggressions against Lebanon and (America’s) plans for the region.”

Expecting its members to be charged with assassinating former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri on February 14, 2005, he accused Israel of the crime, presenting visual and audio material as evidence. They included Israeli surveillance footage (intercepted in real time) of routes he used to be able to target his motorcade, Nasrallah saying:

We have definite information on the aerial movements of the Israeli enemy the day Hariri was murdered. Hours before… an Israeli drone was surveying the Sidon-Beirut-Junieh coastline as warplanes were flying over Beirut. This video can be acquired by any investigative commission to ensure it is correct. We are sure of this evidence, or else we would not risk showing it.

He also said an Israeli spy “confess(ed) in front of a camera that he had repeatedly tried to falsely convince Hariri that (Hezbollah) intended to assassinate him.” Though not a smoking gun, this information warrants serious investigation, especially given Israel’s history of similar acts, inside and outside the region.

According to Lebanese University Professor Hasan Jouni, an international criminal law expert, Nasrallah’s evidence was exceptional, saying:

“Logically and legally, in this stage, any new finding should be investigated by the general prosecutor. Sayyed Nasrallah submitted tangible evidence of the Israeli potential role in Hariri’s assassination.” It appears incriminating. “Furthermore, the previous investigations which were circulated here and there should be revised.”

Antoine Airout, North Lebanon Bar Association head, agreed, saying: “Sayyed Hasrallah’s revelations are very serious and objective,” especially given Israel’s long-term interest in destroying Lebanon to seize portions for itself. Hariri’s assassination furthered that goal.

In late July, Nasrallah further disclosed the arrest of nearly 100 Israeli spies who’d infiltrated Lebanon’s military and security sectors, including Ret. Army Brig. General Fayez Karam, once head of its antiterrorism/counterespionage units.

In his recent article titled, “Israel Takes Control of Lebanon,” investigative journalist Wayne Madsen covered the same issue, saying:

He’s “learned from (his) Lebanese intelligence sources that the Lebanese government is coming to realize that Israeli intelligence penetration of all political groups in the country is worse than originally believed.”

“The Israeli espionage network also extends to Syria. Lebanese sources report that former Syrian Vice President Abdel Halim Khaddam, who accused Syrian President Bashar al Assad of ordering (Hariri’s) assassination, is tactically backed by Israel and the United States.” He heads the National Salvation Front (NSF) effort to oust Assad, getting Israeli, American, French and German help to do it.

For decades, the US/Israeli partnership ruthlessly pursued its joint regional imperial project, including assassinations, state terrorism and wars. Murdering Hariri indeed furthered their goal, and if an August 28 Press TV report is right, more is planned, the Iranian English language network saying:

“Israel is reportedly preparing to strike arms depots and weapons manufacturing plants in Syria, claiming they belong to… Hezbollah… Tel Aviv (having) escalated its military presence in” Golan and Lebanon’s Shebba Farms, according Haaretz, “citing a report in the (August 28) edition of the Kuwaiti daily Al Rai. (It) quoted European sources as saying that recent Israeli reconnaissance flights (over) Lebanese and Syrian airspace, are indications that Israel is ready to start a war in the area (against) targets… far inside Syrian territory….”

Targeting Lebanon: Stoking Tensions, Threatening More War

In early 2010, Israel’s Defence Minister Ehud Barak warned Hezbollah to “avoid entering conflict with us, (adding that) We need to constantly prepare for a change in the status quo, though we don’t know when it will occur. We don’t want for it to happen, and it might not, but we will not be afraid to react if we have to fight back.”

Thinly veiled fighting words with July 23 elaboration, provocatively telling the Washington Post that Israel will hold the Lebanese government responsible for Hezbollah’s actions, saying “we will see it as legitimate to hit any target that belongs to the Lebanese state, not just to the Hezbollah” — the same 2006 blitzkrieg strategy causing vast destruction, billions in damage, killing over 1,000, injuring thousands more, and displacing one-fourth of Lebanon’s four million population, the vast majority being civilians, including 300,000 children, Israel’s Dahiya Doctrine strategy.

Named after the Beirut suburb destroyed in 2006, it’s how past and future wars will be fought, including Cast Lead, applying disproportionate force against civilians and non-military infrastructure, carried out with overwhelming intimidating force in violation of fundamental international law, prohibiting collective punishment and attacks against non-combatants, Israel’s preferred targets.

On a mid-April US visit, Jordan’s King Abdullah II expressed concern, telling a “Congressional Friends of Jordan Caucus” that he fears “imminent” conflict again with Hezbollah in Lebanon.

At the same time, AFP reported that Washington “voiced alarm” about Syria’s “possible sale of Scud missiles to Hezbollah militants, warning it would put Lebanon at ‘significant risk.’ ” On April 13, Israeli President Shimon Peres accused Syria of doing it, saying it “claims it wants peace while at the same time it delivers Scuds to Hezbollah whose only goal is to threaten the state of Israel” – false and Peres knows it.

In response, an unnamed US official said a sale was suspected but not verified. Syria flatly denies it, and unmentioned was American aid to Israel, more than to all other nations combined, including annual billions of dollars in military aid, additional amounts when requested, plus the latest weapons and technology, enough to destabilize the entire region and beyond, given Israel’s capacity and inclination to wage war aggressively and illegally.

It’s bloodstained history confirms what US major media reports suppress — that no outside threat or attack on its territory occurred since the October 1973 Yom Kippur war, nearly 37 years ago after which Israel repeatedly attacked Lebanon and Occupied Palestine. It also menaces the entire Middle East, its goal being to divide, conquer and control it, a future article dealing solely with that topic.

At the end of the 2006 Lebanon war, UN Security Council Resolution 1701 called for a full cessation of hostilities on both sides, specifically that Hezbollah cease “all attacks” and disarm, Israel given freedom to respond to perceived threats. In other words, it can claim bogus ones justify war, Hezbollah denied comparable discretion.

Since passage, Hezbollah refused to disarm, but committed no aggressive acts. For its part, Israel breaches the resolution daily, including regular airspace, territorial, and sea encroachments. In early 2010, Michael Williams, UN special envoy to Lebanon said:

“To the best of my knowledge, there is probably no other country in the world which is subject to such an intrusive regime of aerial surveillance,” other intrusions and spying. In fact, none besides America, Israel’s paymaster/partner and early mentor, both countries the world’s most bellicose and aggressive, what Hezbollah understands and will respond.

Lebanon’s government also, saying it supports its right to defend sovereign state territory, Foreign Minister Ali al-Shami calling Israel a “permanent menace” with good reason.

Further, Syria said it will act if Lebanon is attacked, adding it considers a threat to Beirut’s security one to its own. Hamas’ Ali Baraka also avowed to back Hezbollah if attacked, stoking more tension, what Israel’s expert at exploiting, manufacturing threats when none exist.

On August 2, the George Soros-funded International Crisis Group published a report titled “Drums of War: Israel and the ‘Axis of Resistance,’” saying:

More war, if it comes, will be “far more devastating and broader in scope,” the regional dynamics dangerously explosive, so any “miscalculations” may launch it, including against Syria.

Despite a deceptive quiet, “Beneath the surface, tensions are mounting with no obvious safety valve.” Hezbollah’s readiness and “escalating Israeli threats (could) trigger the very outcome” so far avoided.

With “no effective forum for communication, (there’s) ample room for misunderstanding and misperception. Meanwhile, (Israel has waged) an underground war of espionage and assassinations… now a substitute for more open confrontation.”

“There is scant reason for optimism on the peace front,” not helped by America talking only with one side (Israel), “keeping another at arm’s length (Syria), ignoring a third (Hezbollah) and confronting the fourth (Iran).”

As a result, “the world should cross its fingers that fear of a catastrophic conflict will continue to be reason enough for the parties not to provoke one.”

Not explained is that Israel and America alone pose threats, the same ones for over 40 years, what all regional states know and fear, hoping they won’t end up like Iraq — destroyed by imperial lawlessness, the fake August 19 “combat” troop pullout just PR cover for permanent occupation, or as one Iraqi official said: “This is about America’s midterm elections,” Washington’s presence is here to stay, even Newsweek calling it a “nonevent,” saying:

“The departure of the last ‘combat troops’ from Iraq (more a strategic retreat than victory lap) is hardly the end of American combat there. (What about the other) 50,000… staying behind? They didn’t exactly send their (formidable weapons arsenal) out with that Stryker brigade. And they’re not going to transform themselves into the Peace Corp overnight,” or, in fact, ever.

The region’s strategic importance assures permanent war, America’s presence, and continued danger for everyone there – cursed, not benefitting from oil.

A Final Comment

Besides bordering on Israel, Lebanon’s resources make it vulnerable, namely its water and natural gas reserves, one reason for the 2006 war, South Lebanon to the Litani River especially important. Also the Wazzini springs feeding into the Hasbani River tributary of the Jordan River. It flows into Israel two miles downstream from the Wazzini, then into the Sea of Galilee that’s Israel’s largest fresh water source.

Israel covets the 20-mile stretch from its border to the Litani to use Lebanese water for its own needs, a considerable supply if controlled, besides what’s gotten from Golan, seized from Syria in 1967 and still held.

The Tamar and Leviathan offshore natural gas fields are also key, located off Israel’s north coast and Southern Lebanon. Tamar contains an estimated 8.5 trillion cubic feet supply, Leviathan another 16 trillion, and on August 29, Israel National News.com said it may hold four billion or more barrels of oil, making it a richer than ever prize.

The London-based Lebanese newspaper As-Safir said if Israel attempts to siphon gas from Lebanese waters, conflict could result. The paper’s Israel affairs analyst, Hilmi Mousa, said Leviathan “lies mostly off Lebanese shores and in international waters between the sea border of Palestine (and Cyprus waters). However, Israel received a guarantee from Britain, which has no rights in Palestine, to search for oil in the area near the Lebanese shores. The map of deposits, as published in the Israeli economic papers, shows the scope of the deviation into Lebanon’s international waters,” ones Lebanon surely will protect.

Yet Mousa headlined, “Israel preparing to steal gas fields in Lebanon’s waters,” saying doing so “will quickly turn into a new conflict (in which) Lebanon… will defend its rights in the water.” Other sites include Rut and Alon, also off Lebanese shores or in areas far from Israel. The situation bears watching given the possibility that Israel may attack Lebanon and Hezbollah, needing or inventing a pretext to do it, an old trick it may use again, Lebanon perhaps the next target.

Stephen Lendman wrote How Wall Street Fleeces America: Privatized Banking, Government Collusion and Class War. Contact him at: lendmanstephen@sbcglobal.net. Also visit his blog site and listen to The Global Research News Hour on RepublicBroadcasting.org Mondays from 11AM-1PM US Central time for cutting-edge discussions with distinguished guests. All programs are archived for easy listening. Read other articles by Stephen.

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  1. bozh said on August 31st, 2010 at 7:37am #

    The greatest criminal minds–clerico-plutocratic class of lowlife– have not changed their minds. It only seems so because of ‘better’ killing devices.
    I do not think singling out israel or US would explain the situation in any asocialistic empire of land.

    To me, what explains adequately-accurately our troubles, is the fact that a vast minority of people in any asocialistic-inegalitarian structure of society and governance holds all econo-military-governmental powers.
    India appears as the best exemplar of such a structure of society! US structure appears better only because of its technological advances and not because US criminal minds think an iota differently than nazis, tsarists, amirs, lords, ceo, barons, et al

    So, it’s a mistake to single out israeli leadership or aipac as the worst of the evil minds. And especially in view that tiny and waterless-mineless palestina appears as total dependency of the christian world.
    Caveat: not that lendman is saying this– others seem to be saying this. Eg, US itself has done worse crimes, such as a-bombing two cities, etc. tnx

  2. Ismail Zayid said on August 31st, 2010 at 1:31pm #

    It is the height of audacity for Israel and the US to ascribe the threat of terrorism in the Middle East to Syria, Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas. Israel, supported by the US, has created terrorism in the Middle East. The Zionist record of terrorism goes back to years before the creation of Israel and continues to this day in acts of state terrorsim engineered and effected by Israel. These acts of state terrorism were not restricted to Palestinians and neighbouring Arab countries but included even Jews and Israel’s allies, like the US, in the well-documented and notorious acts of terrorism, as in the Lavon Affair and the attack on the USS Liberty.

    The late professor Israel Shahak, a Holocaust survivor and the then chairman of Israeli league for Human and Civil Rights, stated: “There is nothing new in the fact that Israel is a terrorist state, which almost from its inception has used its inteligence service [the Mossad] to assassinate people on foreign soil with any violence or terror it considers necessary for its ends.”

    As to wars of aggression by Israel, against its neighbours, the list is long and includes the wars of 1956, 1967, 1978, 1982, 2006, 2008/2009, besides the hundreds of incursions and various acts in violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which are defined by international law as war crimes.

  3. teafoe2 said on August 31st, 2010 at 5:26pm #

    Attention: POWER FAILURE:

    This, posted above, is total confusion, total nonsense, totally incorrect, and if accepted, harmful to the Palestinian cause, the cause of world justice & peace, and to the longterm survival of mammals on the planet Earth, quote:

    “So, it’s a mistake to single out israeli leadership or aipac as the worst of the evil minds. And especially in view that tiny and waterless-mineless palestina appears as total dependency of the christian world.” –Bozh, above.

    With friends like these, who needs hasbarats.

    It is not a question of “evil minds”, but a question of POWER, who’s got it, and how they use it to impel others to inflict wars, occupations, covert actions, “borders”, mass incarceration, environmental degradation and lies lies lies on human beings all over the globe.

    What Bozh means by “palestina” I can’t fathom. Does he mean the WBGS? Or that plus the pre-1967 Occupied Territory, aka “israel”? And religion has nothing to do with it.

    Just what we need: somebody piling confusion on confusion.

  4. Rehmat said on August 31st, 2010 at 6:00pm #

    Even in war – Zionist racism and mass murder of their fellow Jews can be witnessed.

    The Zionist entity bought over 100 of GBU-28 of 5,000 lb weaponized uranium aerosol bombs from the US with the permission of the US Knesset (Congress). These WMDs were used by the 30,000-strong Jewish army during the last days of the 34-day invasion of Lebanon in Summer 2006. Since no bomb was dropped on the Jewish quarters in Beirut where around 500 Jews still live, it’s no crime in the ‘civilized’ West. However, the real story began after the defeat of the Jewish army.

    “The bombing was concentrated just north of the shared Israeli Lebanese border. Both sides of the border are rural farming areas, both sides were subject to poison gas in the form of about 400,000 lbs, or 184,818 kg, of radioactive aerosols in two days. The contaminated fruits and vegetables were ultimately sold and presumably consumed in the European Union, Israel and Lebanon, as well as other participating trading partner countries.

    Shortly before the bombing, Israeli Jews were removed from the area. After the bombing anti-Zionist Jews were moved in to work the radiologically contaminated Israeli farms by the Israeli Defense Forces. As one person commented, “Y’know, the Orthodox guys with long sideburns that nobody likes.”

    Weaponized uranium ions attack a Human population’s reproductive capacity at the cellular level, their brains and bones……..”

    http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/can-jews-kill-jews/

  5. Deadbeat said on August 31st, 2010 at 7:16pm #

    With friends like these, who needs hasbarats. …. Just what we need: somebody piling confusion on confusion.

    Actually I’m not surprised that Bozh would write that as he sees the issue as a continuum of the rich v. poor/rulers v. ruled/world plutocrats v. the rest of us. This again is classic Chomskyism. Which is to say the use of broad axiomatic explanation result in confusion and clarifies nothing.

    In Chomsky’s case, “U.S. Imperialism” is axiomatic. The same is true with Bozh’s vast minority of people in any asocialistic-inegalitarian structure of society and governance holds all econo-military-governmental powers. — No shit!

    But these axioms are too simplistic and misses the deeper point of POWER … who’s got it, and how they use it to impel others to inflict wars, occupations, covert actions, “borders”, mass incarceration, environmental degradation and lies lies lies on human beings all over the globe.

    Axiomatic explanations result in a distortion of who the plutocrats are, how they pull the strings of “U.S. Imperialism” and for what reasons and interests. It distorts who our allies and comrades really are and how we engage or disengage; what to focus on and what’s being obscured — and WHY!

    IMO, I think bozh is rather naive in his outlook. He agreed with Max Shields on the minimization of importance of ideology and the recent analysis of Naomi Klein which is important in order to understand why she is no ally.

    Chomsky on the other hand his a master manipulator and in order to understand why the Left is so corrupted and weak one needs to spend time analyzing his sympathies.

  6. shabnam said on September 1st, 2010 at 4:43am #

    {The Zionist record of terrorism goes back to years before the creation of Israel and continues to this day in acts of state terrorsim engineered and effected by Israel.}
    Ismail Zayid: you are right. Please watch the following video to learn how the zionists brought terrorism to Palestine.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S2jZo-FYLA&feature=related

  7. bozh said on September 1st, 2010 at 8:14am #

    Palestina” label is leagally and morally correct name for W.Bank, israel, and gaza. Only in english language it is called “palestine’ or israel!

    Deadbeat, would you like to explain what exactly chomskyism wants to do? I only KNOW that he’s not an egalitarian nor does he respect our second-dearest panhuman right, ROR .

    Chomskyism, zionism, catholicism, americanism, socialism, fascism, communism, are just labels. They are far removed from reality and always appear meaningful-meaningless; i.e., cannot ever be defined to satisfaction to all of us!

    I have often stated that it is the plutocrats that hold all of the econo-military-governmental power in all lands where that is enacted into ‘laws’ [read please lawlessness or diktats]
    One can get rich, whether in russia, india, or US, only if one robs people. That`s why i noted that the world fascists are uniting like never before.
    That includes fascists in israel.
    But concluding that `jewish` or israeli fascists, who comprise ?001% of world pop control all those in christian lands, plus much of asia and afrika, is not for me.

    So robbing people of their inheritance-heritage appears as an universal and appears at least 10 k yrs.
    I do not object at all if anyone wants to single israel or `jews`as the worst perps of crimes.
    Nazis, US, japan among many have commited more crimes than `jews`, but only becuase the former evil empires were larger and stronger and not, imo, because they differ an iota in basic thinking from one another.

    In any case, i leave the topic of which nation or a cult has committed more crimes relative to their numbers to scientists. But i bet, none would take up these labors! It really makes no dfference. More and more vicious crimes awaits us from world fascists!
    So, to repeat main points:
    (1 world fascist rule much of the world.
    (2 one needs power. In US, say, they need to utterly control army-cia-fbi-police-private spies-`private army` echelons.
    (3 keep on passing diktats or act in a lawless fashion. tnx

  8. bozh said on September 1st, 2010 at 8:28am #

    About my use of the word `fascist`? Yes, i know it is only a label meaning too much for anyone to know all they do or want to do. The word means to me a person who`s for unequal pay for equal needs, warfare, expansionist, exploiter, murderer, oppressor, etc.
    And to avoid continually listing a fascist`s atributes i use the short cut `fascist` .

    One could use the word “chomskyism“ for what he did and wants to do. But deabeat avoids to list what chomsky did or wants to do; i.e., actually give facts and not conclusions, opinions, wishful thinking, etc. tnx

  9. bozh said on September 1st, 2010 at 8:48am #

    Deadbeat,
    I`ve just noted that u wrote that i minimize importance of ideology. What i actually write and over and over again so that people would remember it, is this: I do not want to ever call theft of land with murder and expulsion in mind an ideolgy; i.e., an ism like zionism, colonialism, americanism.

    So killing a mass of indigenes in americas or a-bombings civil pop is not americanism or any ism, but murder-theft of one`s heritage-inheritance. Only in this panhuman behavior i agree with Shields.
    I wonder if some of uze guyz blitzread and blitzunderstand what some people write and are thus angry or even go ballistic? Why not try peace irrespective what one says? And u say you`re for peace and getting along? tnx

  10. bozh said on September 1st, 2010 at 8:55am #

    hey, Deadbeat, i criticized naomi klein. To me, she`s jut controling damage to israel! I don`t know where my post is dealing with naomi. O would like to reread it. Suffices to say i do not trust finkelstein, klein, et al.
    In fact, i have repeatedly said that all `jews` appear strongly biased in favor of lad theft! tnx

  11. Jonas Rand said on September 2nd, 2010 at 7:10pm #

    Bozh, I agree with your first comment; powerful and militarist entities such as Israel, USA, etc rely on theft, oppression and injustice. It is the entire structure of authoritarian, hierarchical governments and individual murderous gov’s are not worse or better than others. I disagree with your assessment of Finkelstein and Klein, neither of whom have shown opposition to BDS that I know of. I admire those Jews who stand up to Israel’s fascist, murderous, and racist policies just as I admire whites who stood up to segregation, white privilege, and other forms of discrimination in the USA.

    I’m not sure you’re right about Chomsky, have you read any of his books for yourself, or any essays that he wrote on other subjects? He seems like he supports social equality. Just because Deadbeat and other anti-Chomsky socialists (who are against him because he is a Zionist and is against BDS) say that he is for social hierarchy, Jewish supremacy and oppression of Palestinians, doesn’t mean it isn’t worth it to get his perspective on things. He is a self-defined libertarian socialist rather than a right-winger, but (by his own admission) his activity in Zionist activism in his youth sometimes clouds his perspective. It’s good to get a diversity of ideas and analyse them, though. That’s why I joined this place.

  12. Deadbeat said on September 2nd, 2010 at 7:21pm #

    Bozh writes ….

    I`ve just noted that u wrote that i minimize importance of ideology. What i actually write and over and over again so that people would remember it, is this: I do not want to ever call theft of land with murder and expulsion in mind an ideolgy; i.e., an ism like zionism, colonialism, americanism.

    Zionism, Americanism, Racism, Colonialism are more than just land theft, murder and expulsion. They are what LEADS to and JUSTIFIES those deplorable actions. Ideology is what is used to foster a way of thinking and perception of the world.

    So killing a mass of indigenes in americas or a-bombings civil pop is not americanism or any ism, but murder-theft of one`s heritage-inheritance. Only in this panhuman behavior i agree with Shields.

    You are right. These action are not ideologies. These actions are the OUTCOMES of an ideology.

    I wonder if some of uze guyz blitzread and blitzunderstand what some people write and are thus angry or even go ballistic? Why not try peace irrespective what one says? And u say you`re for peace and getting along? tnx

    I read exactly what you wrote and sought to correct your misuse of these terms. It is the misuse of terms that leads to confusion and misunderstandings.

  13. Deadbeat said on September 2nd, 2010 at 7:48pm #

    Jonas Rand writes …

    I’m not sure you’re right about Chomsky, have you read any of his books for yourself, or any essays that he wrote on other subjects? He seems like he supports social equality. Just because Deadbeat and other anti-Chomsky socialists (who are against him because he is a Zionist and is against BDS) say that he is for social hierarchy, Jewish supremacy and oppression of Palestinians, doesn’t mean it isn’t worth it to get his perspective on things.

    Jonas,

    T42 provided you with some useful links especially to James Petras. I hope you read his latest article posted on DV. I also refer you to Jeffrey Blankfort.:

    Jeff Blankfort critic of Noam Chomsky [Podcast]

    Damage Control: Noam Chomsky and the Israel-Palestine Conflict

    He is a self-defined libertarian socialist rather than a right-winger, but (by his own admission) his activity in Zionist activism in his youth sometimes clouds his perspective. It’s good to get a diversity of ideas and analyse them, though. That’s why I joined this place.

    That’s a good start and I applaud you for keeping an open mind.

    Chomsky seeking to maintain the “Jewish” character of Israel is an obvious violation of the principles of Libertarian Socialism. Also that position is unjust to the Palestinians. Remember when we talk about Palestinians we are talking about a once SECULAR nation whose population was multicultural. In other words the idea of Palestine is a more just concept than the idea of a “Jewish” State.

    IMO the purpose of Chomsky and Chomskyism is to pose as “Leftist” in order to define and control public perception of the Left.

  14. Jonas Rand said on September 2nd, 2010 at 11:43pm #

    No that is not true. Chomsky is not a pseudo-”Leftist”. People who often refer me to Blankfort etc. often have this ridiculous theory of “khazar migration”, that the “jew” is not really related to the Ancient Hebrews but some kind of “khazar empire” mass convert menace devil who decided to invade and then infiltrate the US government in some conspiracy theory. The reality is that Israel does many things that are not in the interests of Israeli Jews or helping them achieve some magical takeover of everything worldwide, but in the interests of the United States gaining world power. Just like Colombia. For example, how did it help Zionism for Israel to send its military and Mossad to Central American dictatorships in the 1980s, which were US client states, and train death squads, armies, and Contra militia bands? These murderers and assassins were trained and formed for the purpose of suppressing popular insurgency and popular demonstrations for human + land rights, protecting the American corporate empire that had been expanding there, mostly based in fruit harvest and weapons production. I cannot explain the attack on the Liberty, but the US and Israel governments have since had good relations. The proposed result of the war on Iraq would have nothing to do with consolidating Zionist control over Iraqi government. It was a war to pilfer oil from Iraq and sell it out to foreign corporations through contracts, so that yuppies can fuel up their SUVs, the celebrity chauffeurs their limousines, all at the expense of the desperate, grieving Iraqi population. Also, if USA are being manipulated, why did the USA prop up the military machine of Israel from its inception as a state? Had the United States out right opposed plans for Zionist settlement in Palestine, and never given it hundreds of millions in funding as it did (possibly billions), it would have never been powerful as a state, even with Balfour. It would have never had very much military power and I doubt that it would have even lasted for 20 years.

    As for this article, Israel’s state terrorism against Lebanon is unjustifiable and shameful, as are their abuses against Palestinians. The Zionist entity has waged war against all countries that surround it. I think Chomsky agrees about this. In fact, as Chomsky has mentioned many times before, the threat of force is in violation of the United Nations Charter and as a member of the United Nations, its greatest ally the United States should condemn this. It had no problem approving ‘debilitating sanctions’ for Iraq, which actually did debilitate the Iraqi population, bringing them to the brink of starvation. Hezbollah’s is actually a very inspirational struggle against oppression. Hassan Nasrallah is not a terrorist, nor should the armed struggle by Hezbollah in Palestine be used as a justification for Israel’s crimes.

  15. 3bancan said on September 3rd, 2010 at 2:01am #

    Jonas Rand said on September 2nd, 2010 at 11:43pm #

    Typical soft zionazi blather…

  16. Deadbeat said on September 3rd, 2010 at 2:16am #

    Jonas Rand writes …

    No that is not true. Chomsky is not a pseudo-”Leftist”. People who often refer me to Blankfort etc. often have this ridiculous theory of “khazar migration”, that the “jew” is not really related to the Ancient Hebrews but some kind of “khazar empire” mass convert menace devil who decided to invade and then infiltrate the US government in some conspiracy theory.

    That is not Blankfort take nor is it mine. The issue has to do with power and influence. As James Petras makes clear about Chomsky and Chomskyism

    Those who deny Zionist power over US Mid East foreign policy are left-Zionists namely Noam Chomsky and his acolytes. They never analyze the legislative process, executive decision-making, the structures and activity of the million member Zionist grassroots and the appointments and background of key policy makers deciding strategic policies in the Middle East. Instead they resort to superficial generalizations and political demagogy, imputing policy to “Big Oil” and the “military-industrial complex” or “US imperialism”. Categories devoid of empirical content and historical context about real existing policy making regarding the Middle East.

    Jonas you idea are a reflection of the indoctrination that Chomskyism has on the Left for the past two generations. You go on to say …

    The reality is that Israel does many things that are not in the interests of Israeli Jews or helping them achieve some magical takeover of everything worldwide, but in the interests of the United States gaining world power. Just like Colombia. For example, how did it help Zionism for Israel to send its military and Mossad to Central American dictatorships in the 1980s, which were US client states, and train death squads, armies, and Contra militia bands? These murderers and assassins were trained and formed for the purpose of suppressing popular insurgency and popular demonstrations for human + land rights, protecting the American corporate empire that had been expanding there, mostly based in fruit harvest and weapons production.

    Israel involvement in Latin America during the 1980′s help it open a market for its weapons. That aided an abetted Zionism. Missing from many discussion on trade agreement is the free trade agreement that the U.S. has with Israel which was put into place in 1984. Zionism Jonas is not limited to Israel. Zionism is at home in the United States. This is what Chomsky conceal from his audience and what people like Jeffrey Blankfort and James Petras seeks to expose.

    I cannot explain the attack on the Liberty, but the US and Israel governments have since had good relations. The proposed result of the war on Iraq would have nothing to do with consolidating Zionist control over Iraqi government. It was a war to pilfer oil from Iraq and sell it out to foreign corporations through contracts, so that yuppies can fuel up their SUVs, the celebrity chauffeurs their limousines, all at the expense of the desperate, grieving Iraqi population.

    Really Jonas? Can you provide evidence that the war was for oil or are you REPEATING what you’ve been told. What you’ve heard repeated endlessly by Chomskyites. What the Chomskyite Left has done Jonas is POSE as “Leftist” because mainstream media is so horrid that they appear to be “radical” when in fact they are not. Their job is to maintain a pretense of radicalism while ensure they obscure the role, power, and influence of Zionism throughout the political economy of the U.S. There is plenty of evidence Jonas that the war was NOT for oil and that Zionists advocated and pushed for the War on Iraq. The war benefited Israel aims and harmed U.S. interests.

    Also, if USA are being manipulated, why did the USA prop up the military machine of Israel from its inception as a state? Had the United States out right opposed plans for Zionist settlement in Palestine, and never given it hundreds of millions in funding as it did (possibly billions), it would have never been powerful as a state, even with Balfour. It would have never had very much military power and I doubt that it would have even lasted for 20 years.

    Think Jacob! It’s because Zionist have tremendous power INSIDE the United States. Zionists can effect U.S. elections because of its power network. Jews have tremendous power and influence in the Democratic Party and was able to convince Harry Truman to support the creation of Israel. Zionism has been allowed to flourish and now even the Republicans are big supporters of Israel. The Left has been next to absent on this issue. So while the Left can speak out loudly against the Right and White Supremacy. When it comes to the going power and influence of Jewish Supremacy (Zionism) there is hardly a squawk.

    As for this article, Israel’s state terrorism against Lebanon is unjustifiable and shameful, as are their abuses against Palestinians. The Zionist entity has waged war against all countries that surround it. I think Chomsky agrees about this. In fact, as Chomsky has mentioned many times before, the threat of force is in violation of the United Nations Charter and as a member of the United Nations, its greatest ally the United States should condemn this.

    But the problem with Chomsky analysis is that he make it appears that Israel is the “puppet” and that the U.S. pulls all the strings. But isn’t it interesting that the Zionist billionaires choose to live in the United States and not Israel yet they “support” Israel more than they do the United States. Somehow this facet is missed by Chomsky.

    It had no problem approving ‘debilitating sanctions’ for Iraq, which actually did debilitate the Iraqi population, bringing them to the brink of starvation. Hezbollah’s is actually a very inspirational struggle against oppression. Hassan Nasrallah is not a terrorist, nor should the armed struggle by Hezbollah in Palestine be used as a justification for Israel’s crimes.

    As Chomsky himself said on Israeli TV that he supports Israel. Right there that admission displays his allegiance and contradicts his claim of Libertarian Socialist.

    I ask you simply would you support David Duke who speaks out against Zionism? My guess is that you’d answer no. I feel the same way about Chomsky.

  17. Mulga Mumblebrain said on September 3rd, 2010 at 10:14am #

    Jonas,Israel aided Central American death-squads because it supported the global US Empire whose eternal hegemony over every inch of the planet is a Zionist priority.Global US empire means global Zionist pre-eminence, because the Zionists control the US,politically,economically and in the mass media, to an extent unparalleled in history.That absolute priority, to ensure continuing US global dominance, also explains Zionism’s lead role in attacking China, a society not run by Jews, unlike the West. The Zionist plan to control the world will founder on one of two reefs, I believe. Either the US will fall, possibly because of Zionist demands, which may produce a nasty backlash against the Zionist puppet-masters, and because of China’s rise, or because of over-reach,where the Zionists decide to take over directly,instead of behind the scenes. Experiments in direct Zionist rule, such as Sarkozy, are proving fraught with danger, whereas the old tactic of using front-men and dupes like Obama, Blair, Harper or Gillard in Australia at least provides the opportunity for ‘plausible deniability’ particularly when the mass media will loyally peddle any Zionist lie, no matter how implausible.

  18. mary said on September 3rd, 2010 at 11:15am #

    Mulga You said ‘the Zionists control the US, politically, economically and in the mass media, to an extent unparalleled in history’

    This photo illustrates that very well. I watched it live and it looked as if the new mother-in- law of a nice Jewish boy looked as if she was going to kiss Bibi. (Bibi is actually a Mileikowsky and son of Benzion Mileikowsky from Warsaw). Look at the poor neglected PA stooge left out of things at the end.

    http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0cmt6bj8RA5Hl/439x.jpg

  19. Don Hawkins said on September 3rd, 2010 at 12:05pm #

    This Bibi person I watched him give a speech at the White House and say I needed a used car and he was the salesman well buy owner would be my thinking as I walked off the lot and if he give me that little spiel I saw in his speech I would say been reading the book how to win friends and influence people have you. Then he would probably give me the look you know the look and I would say have you ever thought of professional help and he at this point could get angry and I would say watch that temper Bibi is that a nick name and is that sawdust on your desk what’s that used for wait don’t tell me your cars that were only driver to and from church by an old lady. Then he might tell me to leave his lot and I would say still a free Country.

    Here’s a web site of the some other used car salesman types I saw the other night on the tube. Such bullshit.

    http://www.aclj.org/

  20. teafoe2 said on September 3rd, 2010 at 12:45pm #

    Thank you Don, you nailed it:)

    Jonas, a couple of good short books detailing Izzy’s activities in Central America and Iran-Contra were written by Jane Hunter, whose now-defunct newsletter “Israeli Foreign Affairs” was mainly devoted to detailed coverage of the Izzy weapons export bidness, and co-written by Peter Dale Scott.

    So both DB’s comment and Mulga’s more detailed explanation are absolutely correct & on the mark, and corroborated by the two authors.

    I’d guess Hunter’s “IFA” should be archived online somewhere? Of course Scott has published numerous books since the Oliver North era, many of which have received considerable attention.

    BTW, an interesting peek into how Power really works in this world is provided by the fact that Fidel Castro and Isreali weapons merchant Rafael Eitan have maintained a friendly relationship dating back to the landing of the Granma. “Rafi” has been allowed to continue leasing some agricultural properties originally owned by Fidel’s father. Go figure:)