Too Early to Write-off New Israel-Palestine Talks?

An Answer to Journalist Aluf Benn's Empty Words

In his article in the Globe and Mail, Aluf Benn asks is it “Too Early to Write-off the New Israel-Palestine Talks”?

Too early to write-off direct talks?


Representatives for these “direct talks” on the Palestinian side in a sense do not even exist: Abbas’s election mandate timed out a year ago, and he stays in office under emergency measures – i.e, he has absolutely no democratic legitimacy.

But even poor Abbas, a kind of Palestinian “step’n’fetch it” figure if ever there was one, wanted nothing to do with such talks while Israel continued stealing land. The American administration browbeat him for months, threatening him with loss of all aid, into attending.

The only genuinely elected government in any of the territories of Palestine, Hamas in Gaza, remains under Israel’s brutal blockade and imprisonment – that is, those elected representatives who were not illegally arrested by Israel or murdered in assassinations or murdered in Operation Cast Lead.

Representatives for these “direct talks” on the Israeli side are from the Netanyahu government, a group of people who have not the least interest in what any normal person would call peace. The “foreign minister” qualifies surely as a David Duke figure.

Now David Duke in the United States – former Klu Klux Klan chief and minor politician – is treated anytime in the press as a lowlife. Avigdor Lieberman is every bit the hateful racist as Duke, but he is far more poisonous, being the foreign minister he is in a position to make his hate wreck the lives of millions. Because he is an Israeli, Lieberman is treated with respect he does not deserve.

Does anyone but a madman believe anything can come out of that set of circumstances?

The only possibility is that Abbas is virtually beaten down into signing something utterly inappropriate for his people. In that case, the “agreement” won’t be worth the paper on which it is written.

This entire matter is utterly meaningless as statesmanship, it is brutal political theater, intended to please the Israel Lobby in the U.S. to get the Democrats through the mid-term elections without a catastrophic loss of campaign contributions.


Response to an uninformed comment:

The Six Day War was an elaborate black operation by Israel. It prodded the Arabs over and over with many aggressive acts into hostility, and then it attacked first.

The intention was to seize the lands not seized in 1948 with the terrorism of Irgun and Stern — that is, to create Greater Israel, a self-defined concept that has always motivated Israel’s government.

The attack on the USS Liberty, a US spy ship on station in the Mediterranean, was intended to blind the US administration while General Dayan turned around his armor to attack in the North.

It was not a “mistake.” It was a deliberate two-hour attack on a well-marked ship, one moreover that Israel had been advised would be on station to guard against its ambitions.

Dayan felt that if he had the slot of time, he could achieve all Israel’s goals of conquest, and he pretty much did, presenting the world with the fait accompli whose ghastly consequences we have endured since.

It was all a neat trick, wage a lightning war of conquest while getting sympathy as little David fighting off hoards of nasty Philistines, but Israel knew from its first planning it was sure to win.

And we’ve learned since that the “little David” image is a sentimental fairy tale: Israel behaves the part brutal bully in its part of the world, attacking and terrorizing every neighbor that it has, even now threatening people a thousand miles away who have never attacked anyone.

John Chuckman lives in Canada and is former chief economist for a large Canadian oil company. Copyright © by John Chuckman. Read other articles by John, or visit John's website.

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  1. MichaelKenny said on August 30th, 2010 at 7:22am #

    Don’t forget that there’s a silver lining to all this. Everyone knows that Israel is not serious about talks and will soon enough find a pretext to break them off and blame the Palestinians for it. But precisely because we know that, when Israel pulls the same stunt for the umpteenth time, it will simply shoot itself in the foot (yet again!). The other side of the equation is that the Israelis can’t be so stupid that they don’t realise the above. That’s why I believe that the Israeli elite has already accepted the one state solution and is now just playing for time. As long as their American bully still has all his teeth, they can do what they like. Once the American dinosaur keels over, the Palestinians, with, at very least, the whole Muslim world behind them and the rest of world sick and fed up with Israel’s antics, can do what THEY like. Thus, nobody really feels the need to make any compromises. The Israelis know that anything the Palestinians agree to now, they’ll go back on when US power collapses. The Palestinians know that by sitting tight, they can “have it all” once that collpase occurs.

  2. David Silver said on August 30th, 2010 at 7:33am #

    This meeting can never be a legitimste negotians wit Netenyahu
    and theImperialist puppet Abbas

  3. hayate said on August 30th, 2010 at 10:49am #

    There is no point in negotiating with israelis, just like their is no point in negotiating with a charles manson.

  4. teafoe2 said on August 30th, 2010 at 10:52am #

    hayate said on August 30th, 2010 at 10:49am #

    There is no point in negotiating with israelis, just like their is no point in negotiating with a charles manson.

    “you can say that again!!!!” 🙂

  5. Rehmat said on August 30th, 2010 at 1:55pm #

    The reality on ‘Ground Zero’ is that there has been no changes in Israeli attitude towards governments in Gaza or the West bank – Therefore, the negotiations are nothing but another US-Israel charade to shore-up America’s failing image in Arab countries, some of which has started looking to Tehran for their security.

    For the US, the negotiations serve the essential purpose of lending credence to its claim to be an honest broker in the Israel-Palestinian conflict. But maintaining this pretence is equally important to Washington’s Arab allies, who need some public justification for collaborating with aggressive US moves against Iran—up to and including a possible military strike.

  6. Deadbeat said on August 30th, 2010 at 8:12pm #

    Now David Duke in the United States – former Klu Klux Klan chief and minor politician – is treated anytime in the press as a lowlife. Avigdor Lieberman is every bit the hateful racist as Duke, but he is far more poisonous, being the foreign minister he is in a position to make his hate wreck the lives of millions. Because he is an Israeli, Lieberman is treated with respect he does not deserve.

    This level of disdain should be across the board for ALL Zionist — hard ones and soft ones. This is what is called applying a single standard and adherence to principles.

  7. hayate said on August 30th, 2010 at 8:34pm #

    You are being too logical, Deadbeat.

    You know, if only david duke would embrace zionism, swear loyalty to israel, and pedestal Jewish people (and convert, obviously), he’d be the darling of the zionist occupied media, like nazi wannabees, dershowitz and the [cough] american lieberman. Such a waste of another useful fascist bigot for zionism, inc., but then, the zionists need somebody to keep their skinhead “army” engaged.


  8. hayate said on August 30th, 2010 at 8:51pm #

    Though I’ve no proof dookie wookie (mr.take it on the chin :D) is a zionist agent, it wouldn’t surprise me given all the monetary and career support and media coverage he’s gotten. A real fringie expousing the same bs would have remained an unknown. Check this out:

    Gilad Atzmon: The Jewish Division

    DateSunday, August 15, 2010 at 7:56PM

    I guess it shouldn’t take us by surprise that the Israeli flag has become a common feature at the ultra nationalist English Defence League’s (EDL) demonstrations and gatherings.

    The EDL calls for taking action against the “Islamization of Britain” and “Muslim fundamentalists”. It is a magnet for extremist right-wing activists and is driven by xenophobia and ethno centrism. Recently the organisation gained an ‘important’ addition to its coalition of hatred. It is called the “The EDL Jewish division.” According to the Jewish Chronicle “hundreds of (Jewish) followers” joined immediately. Supporters include an ex-Community Security Trust volunteer who claims “a lot of Jewish guys want to get stuck in”. Another follower wrote on Facebook “we are all Shayetet 13”, the barbarian Israeli Navy commando unit that was directly responsible for the massacre and executions on the Mavi Marmara. It is also notable that this Jewish bloodthirsty ‘patriot’ didn’t say ‘we are all SAS, British Navy or RAF’. He for some reason preferred to affiliate himself with a foreign Navy, a Navy unit that fights Jewish wars rather than so-called British ones.

    I guess that the English Defence League’s leaders are not aware of the fact that their ‘Jewish Division’ is there to exploit the new organization.

    Roberta Moore, a prominent persona within the Jewish Division admitted this week to the Israeli Haaretz that it is “actually the Jewish Division that exploits the EDL.”*….

    This zionist infiltration/running of nazi/ neo-nazi/skinhead outfits is nothing new, btw. It’s how the zionist quisling, sarkozy rose to power. Most nazi related groups worldwide are interconnected and sourced to the usa or israeli sponsorship and control. Without this sponsorship, these neanderthals would have died out by the end of the 70’s.

  9. Mulga Mumblebrain said on August 31st, 2010 at 12:52am #

    The fact that the English Defence League was a Zionazi created hate-front was plain from the beginning. The name is an obvious homage to Kahane and his fascistic ‘Jewish Defence League’. The extreme anti-Moslem rhetoric is a staple of Zionazi hatemongers throughout theWest. The first EDL demonstrations were notable for the sea of Israeli flags present. To discover that the EDL is actually merely a front for an openly Jewish fascist gang, with undisguised primary loyalty to Israel,not the UK, can surely surprise no-one. Everywhere and always the current hysteria of Islamophobic hatemongering, growing ever more virulent and vicious, clearly preparing the ground for areligious world war, is being pushed by Zionist Jewsand their Sabbat Goy stooges.
    The situation in the US is dire, with Zionists calling the shots and their stooge, the Tel Avivian Candidate Obummer, following orders conveyed by Rahm Emanuel to the letter. Canada is a Zionist colony, and Australia recently saw its elected Prime Minister removed by party traitors acting on Zionist instructions after he unwisely expelled a Mossad agent after Israel stole Australian passports. In the UK the Labor Party has a choice of two Zionist Jews as leader and a Tory regime that has promised to legislate for immunity from prosecution for Israeli war criminals. And in France, Zionist Jews are at the forefront of fomenting the vilest hatred against French Moslems and those of African descent, all the while enjoying total impunity from criticism. Indeed, as we know from invariable experience,it is not the Zionist Judaic hatemongers who suffer criticism-in fact they are fawned over in the Zionist controlled media, where a sickly, cloying, Judeomania is de rigeur. No it’s those brave fools who state the bleeding obvious, who point out Zionist crimes, who will be reviled and vilified. A simply nauseating and infinitely dangerous situation.

  10. shabnam said on August 31st, 2010 at 5:28pm #

    The racist Zionists who control the US foreign policy are trying to steal more Palestinian land while they are involved in ‘negotiation’ with their puppet, Abbas. Martin Indyk thinks it is not necessary to ask for settlement freeze because:

    {However, there could be a workable compromise if Mr. Netanyahu restricts building to modest growth in the settlement blocs that will most likely be absorbed into Israel in the final agreement, while offering changes that would make a real difference to West Bank Palestinians. Israel could promise that there would be no more Israeli Army incursions into areas under Palestinian control; it could also allow the Palestinian police to patrol in most West Bank villages.}

    No one should listen to these Zionists and thieves. The Zionist project is in full action against Palestinian and all the other states in the region supported by the Zionist stooges in Washington. Then people of the world must keep the pressure on Israel until ONE STATE solution is reached..

  11. teafoe2 said on August 31st, 2010 at 5:38pm #

    Shabnam, Mulga too: resounding applause.