Send in the Clowns

More Pointless Talks with Israel?

The Palestinians’ champion – their White Knight – is preparing to ride forth next week and do battle at the negotiating table with the racist regime’s Black Knight and his minder, the Great Satan.

The rules of chivalry don’t apply, so the outcome is not in doubt.

However, the White Knight is not quite as white or brave as he seems. Eager to do his lord’s bidding, Mahmoud Abbas is a willing fall guy. On this occasion Obama has imperiously snapped his fingers and announced he wants direct talks started “well before” the Black Knight (aka Israeli prime minister Netanyahu) ends the partial freeze on illegal settlements in a month’s time.

And, by the way, US mid-term elections are coming up in two months’ time and Obama has to look good.

So Abbas jumped.

And Abbas is at least 18 months past the pack-your-bags date when he should have stepped down from his presidential position. He has twice unilaterally extended his stay and called off scheduled elections. He has no popular mandate and continues to blot the Palestinian escutcheon, staining the only democracy in the Middle East (Israel being altogether something else: an ethnocracy).

In the excitement everyone has forgotten that Hamas are the democratically elected power in Palestine even though they have been forced by Abbas and his US-armed gang and their Israeli back-up into confinement in the Gaza Strip. Hamas are not invited to the peace table, so what legitimacy can the encounter possibly have, anyway?

No preconditions except Israel’s

The talks are being held while Israel continues to pound Palestinian civilians in Gaza, maintains the cruel land and sea blockade and murders any unarmed humanitarians sailing to break it, disallows exports, severely restricts travel within the Occupied Territories, carries on with house demolitions, denies access to universities and places of worship, and generally behaves in a brutal and barbaric manner.

Israel has failed to honour earlier peace pledges and gives every indication of wishing only to expand its borders further.

The idea that there can be meaningful talks under these conditions is an insult to the intelligence of the civilized world. Abbas said earlier that he didn’t see much point in talking but he’s been pressured to change his mind.

Netanyahu loudly insists there can be no pre-conditions while busily laying down pre-conditions of his own, in particular ruling out any return by Palestinians to East Jerusalem, which as everyone knows belongs to the Palestinians and is earmarked as their capital, and refusing to extend the temporary halt to settlement building on stolen land.

Palestine, as always, is led by losers. Abbas’s senior negotiator, Saeb Erekat, is described as a newspaper editor, but he doesn’t seem very adept at bringing the Palestinian cause to media attention in the outside world.

His opening shots warn the Israelis that they must choose between “settlements or peace… they cannot have both”. Is this Erekat’s magic bullet for unseating the Black Knight?

Law and justice are not à la carte

Netanyahu leads a fragile coalition of right wingers and religious nutters. He says that if he were to prolong the moratorium on settlements it could trigger the collapse of his government.

So he must continue in his criminal ways to survive.

To prove his playful sense of humour hasn’t yet deserted him, he goes on to say: “We are coming to the talks with a genuine desire to reach a peace agreement between the two peoples that will protect Israel’s national security interests, foremost of which is security.”

The Palestinians’ national security interests are, and always have been, irrelevant.

And you’ll die laughing at this bit: “Now it is time for the Palestinians and the Arab States to grasp Israel’s outstretched hand and match the Jewish state’s unyielding commitment to peace with actions of their own.”

Another pro-Israel group, J-Street, claims the talks could be the last opportunity to save the two-state solution. “The window of opportunity for progress is brief and closing. We believe Israel’s future as a Jewish, democratic home, not to mention vital American interests in the region, hang in the balance,” says J-Street’s Vice President for Policy and Strategy, pretending that America’s best interests are geared to the success of Israel’s unlawful and racist expansionism.

From the way America conducts itself internationally, anyone would think that law and justice are some kind of à la carte menu items to be dispensed on a pick-and-choose basis, or not dispensed at all. Or something Americans can send back to the kitchen if their taste buds don’t fancy it.

It is outrageous that Netanyahu should be encouraged to think compliance with the law is optional and in the meantime further concessions can be wrung, under duress, from people the Israelis have oppressed and cheated for 60 years.

Reports that the pro-Israel lobby group AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee), in one of its wackiest statements to date, has called on the Palestinian Authority to “abandon its longstanding attempts to avoid making difficult choices at the negotiating table and cease incitement against Israel at home and abroad”.

The talking’s all done

The talks, of course, have nothing to do with peace. They are about greed, dominance and more land theft. The plan is to get a weakling Palestinian leader into a corner and arm-twist more concessions from him, until there’s nothing left.

Is this really a good time to bend the knee or tug the forelock to someone as unreliable as Obama or as criminal as Netanyahu?

It is surely an occasion to stand on principle and go over the heads of corrupt meddlers, making a strong Palestinian case anchored firmly in established law and justice so that there is no room to wriggle, and demand that same law and justice from the international community that endorsed it.

It would call for a carefully planned and professionally executed communications campaign to make the world listen, something the Palestinian Authority and the PLO, under Abbas, have fatally neglected.

But Abbas says it’s his “national responsibility” to go along with the talks. Those in Ramallah who dared to disagree were quickly stamped on by his security goons.

Abbas and Erekat belong to the shabby failures of the past. For Palestine the future has to start somewhere. It might as well be here and now.

America cannot – no, will not – uphold international law or UN resolutions. Like Israelis, the Americans have a cynical disregard for human rights except their own. It goes against all notions of fair play, therefore, to see America acting the host and pretending to be an honest broker.

Abbas should have none of it. If he cannot be persuaded to do the decent thing and go, he at least ought to take the line that the talking’s all done. It was done in the UN. And the UN has treated Israel with gob-smacking generosity at Arab expense, first with its 1947 Partition gift and later by nodding OK to Israel’s territorial gains represented by the Armistice ‘Green Line’. The Israelis should accept this staggering munificence with proper humility, and be content.

Obama would do well to acknowledge that the decisions have already been made. They are enshrined in UN resolutions, in international law, in the Geneva Conventions and in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. They wait to be implemented by the nations that are party to those solemn undertakings, including the US.

So please, Mr Obama, no more talking. Cut the charade and do your duty.

Earn that peace prize.  Or give it back.

Stuart Littlewood, after working on jet fighters in the RAF, became an industrial marketeer in oil, electronics and manufacturing, and with innovation and product development consultancies. He also served as a Cambridgeshire county councillor and a member of the Police Authority. He is an Associate of the Royal Photographic Society and has produced two photo-documentary books including Radio Free Palestine (with foreword by Jeff Halper). Now retired, he campaigns on various issues, especially the Palestinians' struggle for freedom. Read other articles by Stuart, or visit Stuart's website.

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  1. bozh said on August 27th, 2010 at 8:25am #

    No, this coming war talks won’t be the last. According to christo-talmudic crowd, war talks and warring must go on and at any price.
    The shephardo-mizrahic land is tiny, impoverihed; total dependency, etc. They are being abused, but not as much as palestinians.
    But all shemitic peoples in expalestine are being used by the christo-mosheic peoples. Recall, please,that most ‘jews’ are not shemitic!
    Netanyahu, i think, knows this! That’s why he acts so righteous because he knows west needs any trouble maker it can obtain. But netanyahu does not come cheap.
    Recall the fact, that the isrealis have not expelled palestinians. Thus, in effect, have a binational state which cannot be the best solution as long as two peoples are mortal enemies.
    The formulas had been repeated in afgh’n and iraq: keep their peoples together
    for easier control of them and never allow legal separation for each of the peoples. tnx
    Btw! Not once i put dwn the “Z….” word!

  2. MichaelKenny said on August 27th, 2010 at 10:05am #

    Surely it is not for an Englishman to tell the Palestinians (or, for that matter, Obama!) what they should and should not do! Isn’t that the very cause of the problem: foreigners dictating to people what they should do in their own country? And isn’t acceptance of foreigners’ right to do so the very foundation of the American Empire? What the Palestinians should do is what the Palestinians think is right. And everybody else should butt out.

  3. teafoe2 said on August 27th, 2010 at 10:57am #

    Okay, Kenny, go ahead and butt out:)

    Sayonara!

  4. 100octane said on August 27th, 2010 at 11:05am #

    Palestinians thought it was right to be governed by Hamas but Abbas and the American administration conspired to prevent it.

    Until the Palestinians are allowed to exercise their right of self-determination, and all their other human rights, the people standing in the way are fair game.

    As for Obama, my taxes are being diverted to support illegal US-inspired warmongering against countries that are no threat to mine. Also unacceptable US conduct threatens the safety of citizens of all countries allied to the US.

  5. teafoe2 said on August 27th, 2010 at 11:23am #

    this is a pretty good article IMO, quite accurate in its characterization of the players in the current production of world history’s longest running charade.

    There seems to be a little slippage in some places, talking about UN resolutions etc. I got the feeling the author might be cutting too much slack to the colonialist premises on which MSM discussion of I/P etc is based.
    But he certainly did expose the perennial farce for what it is.
    Of course I myself arrived at similar conclusions at some point in the nineties, before I got a computer and learned how to type. Yes, it’s true; I probably tend to run on a lot, partly because I’m still amazed that I can type words onto the screen and have them appear in a form others can read. My handwriting is super-terrible, has been since first grade. but i digress. sorry:(

    It is necessary that articles like this one continue to appear, as long as substantial sections of the “progressive” public are still buying into the “piece process” snowjob.

    But for those of us who saw through the IOF/AIPAC full monty a long time ago, the question comes down to how are we ever going to derail ZPC occupation of the US Congress & Exec Branch. To answer that one, we need to be clear exactly what lies behind the current situation in which the PM of the zionist entity can openly mock the President of the United States and walk away giggling.

  6. shabnam said on August 27th, 2010 at 3:52pm #

    Prominent Palestinians have warned Abbas:

    {The Obama administration is exerting intense pressure on Palestinian Authority (PA) President Mahmoud Abbas to move “sooner than later” to direct talks with Israel. The European Union is also pressing Abbas to do the same thing. Both the US and EU are considered chief bankrollers of the PA, which nearly completely depends on foreign aid for its financial and political survival.
    The PA and Israel have been holding indirect “proximity” talks for several weeks. However, leaks suggest that very little progress — if any — has been made. This fact is frustrating the Palestinians and making them view with suspicion further talks, direct or indirect, in the absence of clear guarantees as to how the “endgame” would look like.
    Moreover, Abbas, according to close and reliable sources in Ramallah, is becoming disillusioned with the entire peace process and believes that the international pressure exerted on him to switch to direct talks is only intended to give Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu more time to “create facts on the ground” — an allusion to building more Jewish colonies on the West Bank, especially in East Jerusalem.
    Abbas is showing a modicum of resistance to American pressure. He told a meeting of Fatah’s Revolutionary Council in Ramallah this week that he wouldn’t accept direct talks unless certain conditions were met. These include a full settlement construction freeze, agreement on the demarcation of borders, and an Israeli pledge that negotiations must pick up where the two sides left off in talks during the tenure of the previous Israeli government.
    Abbas repeatedly vowed to refrain from resuming talks with the Netanyahu government as long settlement expansion activities continued. However, the PA leader has frequently abandoned his conditions and returned to mostly pointless talks under pressure, mainly from Washington and its pro-US ally regimes, such as Egypt and Saudi Arabia.
    Hence, most observers in occupied Palestine suggest that Abbas’s reluctance to move to direct talks is only a tactical manoeuvre, since he can’t really say “No” to Washington, given his financial and political reliance on Israel’s guardian ally.

    But Abbas has very few choices if any. He realises the risks inherent in placing all Palestinian eggs in the US basket. Yasser Arafat had tried to do just that and the result was a fiasco. Meanwhile, to mitigate pressure on his leadership, Abbas is trying to make the Arab world — especially Egypt and Saudi Arabia — virtual partners in any Palestinian decision pertaining to joining direct talks with Israel.}

    Unfortunately, after Late Edward Said, few stooges are supporting Zionists/US Empire agenda for personal gain at the expense of the Palestinian people. One is Hussein Ibish who supports Salam Fayyad, Israel and US favorite, who thinks building ‘institutions’ in Palestine is essential, thus, according to Ibish, he is:

    “emphasizing the importance of improved education in combating fanaticism, promoting culture, and developing analytical capabilities in Palestinian society.”

    This means, most likely, teaching Palestinians about “Holocult”, according to Roger Tucker, not to be engaged in ‘anti-Semitic’ rhetoric against ‘chosen people’. However, Ibish who supports Obama’s efforts regarding ‘the peace process’ where has done the most damage by buying time to create facts on the ground, in an article ”Israeli and Palestinian extremists are attempting to sabotage negotiations before they begin”, at his site writes:

    “Meanwhile, although with somewhat less impact, Palestinian extremists on both the left and right are doing their best to also sabotage the negotiations and raise the political cost to the PLO leadership as much as possible, in the hopes that it will ultimately prove unbearable. Hamas’ rhetoric on the issue simply couldn’t be more overwrought: they’ve called the talks “illegal” and said that they will “eliminate” the cause of Palestine. Left-wing factions in the PLO opposed to Fatah and Pres. Abbas tried to hold a well-publicized meeting in the West Bank to denounce the whole concept of the direct negotiations. Worse still, the meeting was broken up by thugs, apparently affiliated with Fatah, which will do nothing to enhance the reputation of Fatah, Abbas, or the PLO, no matter who was responsible for ordering it. It’s an ugly throwback to the of authoritarianism of the Arafat era which many parts of the PA government have been moving beyond rather rapidly over the past couple of years.”
    It seems to me he has not learned from the past, no wonder
    Yousef Abudayyeh wrote:
    – Ibish’s new task: Defending the zionists’ “right” to Palestine…..And he’s itching for a fight, but no one is taking him up on it

    http://uprootedpalestinians.wordpress.com/2009/09/15/yousef-abudayyeh-%E2%80%93-ibishs-new-task-defending-the-zionists-right-to-palestine%E2%80%A6-and-hes-itching-for-a-fight-but-no-one-is-taking-him-up-on-it/

  7. teafoe2 said on August 27th, 2010 at 4:19pm #

    Shabnam, thnks for this. I enjoyed him putting the rap on Fatboy Ibish et al:)

  8. hayate said on August 27th, 2010 at 5:37pm #

    There is no point in negotiating with israel. One may as well negotiate with charles manson.

  9. Rehmat said on August 27th, 2010 at 6:08pm #

    In June 2010 – the Bipartisan Policy Center issued its fourth report on Islamic Republic. the report was authored by thre ‘Israel-Firsters’, former Senators Daniel Coats and Charles Robb, and retired General Charles Wald. The report suggested three options to deal with Tehran before it acquire the necessary nuclear capability to destroy Israel’s nuclear monopoly in the Middle East. The three options were; diplomacy, sanctions and a military attack. Since the first two options have failed to cow Islamic Republic, which has just commissioned its first nuclear power-generating reactor at Bushehr. The remaining third option carries some serious problem for Ben Obama’s ZOG administration. One of them is to assemble the ‘willing Arab partners’, like during the Iraqi invasion. The best to solve this problem, according to several neocon advisers – is to start another 3-party Israel-PA negotiation for the two-state solution.

    The Middle East Quartet (the US, EU, UN and Russia) was more than glad to obliged the Zionist masters. After tightening some of Mahmoud Abbas’ screws by Washington – it announced that a meeting between Benti Netanyahu and Abbas will take place in Washington on September 2, 2010. Abbas agreed to attend without pre-conditions while Benti had his usual pre-conditions; Palestinian must recognize Israel as a Jewish state and the new Palestinian state would be ‘a demiltarized state’. The issue of the Natives’ return to their ancestral homes and the East Jerusalem as capital of the new Palestinian state – will remain in the cold storage until some future Israeli government decide to open the cold storage.

    The reality on ‘Ground Zero’ is that there has been no changes in Israeli attitude towards governments in Gaza or the West bank – Therefore, the negotiations are nothing but another US-Israel charade to shore-up America’s failing image in Arab countries, some of which has started looking to Tehran for their security.

    http://rehmat2.wordpress.com/2010/08/28/new-israel-pa-circus-to-isolate-iran/

  10. John WV said on August 28th, 2010 at 4:16am #

    Jews have always been persecuted. Israel continuously provides evidence of the causal Jewish behavior. Did German Jews acquire disproportionate media, financial and political power as they have in the United States? Did their collective exercise of this power precipitate the Holocaust? America’s multiple and continuing mid east wars have all been initiated with the urging of AIPAC, the Conference of Presidents, and other Israeli agencies. All have benefited Israel at our expense. American Jews were central to, and grossly enriched by, the Wall Street obscenity. Israel is a Jewish state, a racist apartheid state by, of, and for the chosen people. It feigns and exploits alliance, but an ally Israel will never be.

  11. Mulga Mumblebrain said on August 29th, 2010 at 8:04am #

    Of all the Zionazi rhetorical abominations, the one where they demand that the Palestinians ‘cease incitement’ always nauseates me the most. This arrogant demand, coming from arch-racists who never cease fomenting hatred of Palestinians, Arabs and Islam is truly sickening in its hypocrisy. Apparently the Chosen People are so deranged in their narcissistic lust for unstinting praise, that they even expect, and demand, it from people that they have barbarised, tortured, murdered, dispossessed and whose children they kill as a religious obligation. It is,of course,just another ritual humiliation that the overpowering and sadistic bullyboys relish inflicting on their victims, and the collaborationist sonderkommandoes of Fatah will probably be arm-twisted one day to accede to it. That is one of Hamas’ great strengths-it refuses to grovel before the Master Race, unlike Western politicians.

  12. hayate said on August 29th, 2010 at 12:51pm #

    Abbas, Palestinians should die: Israeli rabbi

    JERUSALEM | Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:47pm EDT

    (excerpts)

    “An influential Israeli rabbi has said God should strike the Palestinians and their leader with a plague, calling for their death in a fiery sermon before Middle East peace talks set to begin next week.

    “Abu Mazen and all these evil people should perish from this earth,” Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, spiritual head of the religious Shas party in Israel’s government, said in a sermon late on Saturday, using Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas’s popular name.

    “God should strike them and these Palestinians — evil haters of Israel — with a plague,” the 89-year-old rabbi said in his weekly address to the faithful, excerpts of which were broadcast on Israeli radio on Sunday.

    The Iraqi-born cleric has made similar remarks before, most notably in 2001, during a Palestinian uprising, when he called for Arabs’ annihilation and said it was forbidden to be merciful to them.

    Saeb Erekat, the chief Palestinian negotiator, said Yosef’s latest comments were tantamount to calling for “genocide against Palestinians.” The rabbi’s remarks, he said, were “an insult to all our efforts to advance the negotiations process.”

    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE67S0GU20100829

  13. hayate said on August 29th, 2010 at 3:22pm #

    ‘Sinner’ singer given 39 lashes by rabbis

    By JERUSALEM POST STAFF

    27/08/2010

    Punishment for performance in front of “mixed audience.”

    A singer who performed in front of a “mixed audience” of men and women was lashed 39 times to make him “repent,” after a ruling by a self-described rabbinic court on Wednesday.

    Rabbi Amnon Yitzhak, founder of the Shofar organization aimed at bringing Jews “back to religion” (hazara betshuva), has made it his recent mission to fight against musical performances for both men and women.

    His “judicial panel,” with Rabbi Ben Zion Mutsafi and another member, sentenced Erez Yechiel to 39 lashes in order to “rid him of his sins.”

    In a video clip of the court posted on the Shofar Web site, Ben Zion said that those who make others sin (mahtiei rabim), such as artists who make men and women attend performances or dance together, have no place in the world to come.

    He displayed a leather strip he said was made by his father from ass and bull skin, with which Yechiel was to have been whipped.

    Yechiel, who said, “I accept upon myself the lashing for my sins,” was ordered to stand by a wooden poll with his head facing north (“from whence the evil inclination comes”), his hands tied with a azure-colored rope (“a symbol of mercy”), and served his “sentence.”

    http://www.jpost.com/LandedPages/PrintArticle.aspx?id=186154

  14. hayate said on August 29th, 2010 at 3:25pm #

    Israeli Education Ministry Approves New ‘whites-only’ Settlement School

    Thursday August 26, 2010 03:38 by IMEMC Staff

    Several months ago, a religious school in the illegal Israeli settlement of Immanuel was criticized for segregating white Jewish students from non-white Jewish students in classes.

    Originally, the school was fined for this policy of racial segregation, because the school was state funded. Now, the Israeli education ministry has agreed with the white parents’ request to allow the school to continue with its racial discrimination under private funding.

    There is no law preventing racial discrimination by private organizations, even schools, in Israel.

    The Israeli court has interpreted these laws to also apply to illegal West bank settlements, like Immanuel, which are located in areas that are supposed to be under Palestinian control. The Palestinian Authority does not allow racial discrimination, but due to the Israeli military occupation of the Palestinian Territories, it has no authority over the area in question.

    74 white girls who have been studying in a building next to the school will now be allowed to study in whites-only classrooms that are privately funded, as their parents claim they do not want their girls to study in racially-mixed classrooms.

    http://www.imemc.org/article/59331

  15. Jonas Rand said on August 30th, 2010 at 2:10am #

    Apart from Hayate’s unnecessary posts simply copying text from links (which aren’t in themselves irrelevant, however) to external sites, there is a good point made in this discussion and in the article. Mahmoud Abbas’ views are more in league with Washington’s imperialism and Israel (an appendage/puppet of the United States) than that of the Palestinian people. Abbas’ Fatah is not supported by the majority of Palestinians, who elected Hamas. My view is that his authoritarian and supports hierarchical control rather than sustainable coexistence, peace, equality and social justice for Palestinians and Israelis. His rule over the occupied Palestinian ‘territories’ will consolidate power in the hands of his governmental officials and ‘leaders’, with the same ‘leadership’ mentality that lacks freedom and contributes to lack of compassion and no ability to participate in politics. He seems to have money — more than the desire to have Palestinians control their own fate and that of their communities — in mind, and that isn’t beneficial for Palestinians. That being said, the resistance he has put forward to the construction of settlements (as they are an obstruction to justice for Palestinians and Israelis) is admirable.

    These ‘talks’ will probably go nowhere; like other previous attempts to engage between the two entities, it will simply be a discussion involving greedy politicians who do not care about the plight of the Palestinians enough to stand up to the people perpetrating the abuses taking place there (i.e. Israel). Resistance against Israel’s oppression will not be put forward by Abbas; Erekat, who seems to be more concerned with Palestinians rather than profits, will be ignored while Israel continues settlement construction. Why isn’t Israel speaking with Hamas? Is it not in “US Interests” enough (i.e., the oppressive monstrosity of the military-industrial complex) to actually try to establish peace AND justice by speaking with Hamas leaders? Israel’s government has committed terrible abuses; if they are really willing to negotiate for peace and justice, they should speak with their s0-called ‘enemies’ Hamas, not Mahmoud Abbas, who would probably compromise at the expense of Palestinians.

    There is hope, however; it is pleasing to me and very encouraging that some courageous people have decided to oppose Israel’s atrocities even amidst “talks”. Additionally, I suspect that Israel’s abuses will be ignored in the talks and discussion of them will be overwhelmingly drowned out by vacuous talk of peace, which the Israelis seek to establish before assuring justice. That’s always the wrong way to go about getting “peace”.

  16. hayate said on August 30th, 2010 at 3:12am #

    Jonas Rand said on August 30th, 2010 at 2:10am

    “Israel (an appendage/puppet of the United States)”

    (giggles)

    Yes, dear, that’s why the americans formed lobbies throughout israel to enforce their colonial status and have heavily infiltrated the israeli guv, infrastructure, court system, banking and economic institutions, media and myriads other important sectors with americanim (that’s americanese for “helpers”), who must be Christian, btw. It’s also why american leaders are always bragging in the media how they control israel and the israelis know it.

    ;D

    This “israel is a colony of america” obfuscation actually has an important purpose in the defense of israel and zionism, and their neverending war crime. It takes the heat off israel, and zionists, and directs the energy towards israels colony, the usa. That lets israel off the hook to continue their criminality, unabated. Which is the point. Classic patsy tactic used by organised criminals throughout history.

  17. Deadbeat said on August 31st, 2010 at 2:15am #

    hayate,

    Great response!

  18. Jonas Rand said on August 31st, 2010 at 2:52am #

    So why is it that Ted Turner and Rupert Murdoch aren’t Jews?

    Hayate, it sounds like what you are against is some American Jews who support Israel and set up Zionist lobby organizations like AIPAC. You then direct this against American Jewry as a whole, rather than the United States government (much of which supports Israel), the only obstacle in preventing Israel from continuing its atrocities in Gaza and West Bank.

    Just like Apartheid South Africa — if the United States opposed it, the Zionist entity would lose its number one ally and be forced to either reconsider or stop altogether. Israel would lose all of its international credibility (it has lost much of it) and there would be no permanent member veto at the UN with issues relating to Israel/Palestine. The USA gives massive amounts of aid to Israel and propped up its military machine from its inception rather than opposing the land grab of Palestine from the start. Rather we’ve chosen the path that Reagan did with South Africa – tolerating a socially-backwards military state built on racism and fascism. Israel is a country with segregation, the draft, and among the many abuses heaped upon Palestinians, gentrification, siege of communities, poorer living conditions, and poverty. Americans, knowing their history (the Civil Rights Movement), should stand up to this.

  19. Deadbeat said on August 31st, 2010 at 3:49am #

    You then direct this against American Jewry as a whole, rather than the United States government

    This is classic Chomskyism. Sorry Jonas you need to go beyond the 40-year indoctrination and corruption of the Left by Chomsky and his ilk.

  20. Deadbeat said on August 31st, 2010 at 3:57am #

    T42 writes …

    But back to Black Liberation and BDS. I believe there exists a substantial substrate of Black opinion, both at the grassroots/on the corner/in the Yard level, and among activists & “ghetto intellectuals”, which takes a dim view of many Isreali policies, such as the attack on the Mavi Marmara, the Siege of Gaza, the aggression vs Lebanon, the Apartheid Wall and other segregationist policies, and the demand that the US execute or support a First Strike on Iran.

    But, it seems to me, (?) few Blacks holding such a view connect these Isreali crimes with Obama, or with their local Democrat politicians, or with national-level “Black Leadership” like Bill Fletcher, Donna Brazile, or the NAACP.

    I’m glad you got your remarks in before the comments closed. You nailed T42 simply nailed it.

    Speaking of Fletcher you got his number all right. I wrote to him a scathing critique where he omitted Zionism. I was surprised he responded to me and he quite defensive. Later I looked up his background only to find he was affiliated with IPS the same organization that houses Phyllis Bennis.

    So clearly your challenge to expose the whole rotten corrupted Black Leadership is also crucial task as well. And you are right that Obama and White Racism creates a “circle the wagon” mentality among Blacks. But that was part of the game by the Left to create vacuum for Obama to fill.

    Excellent analysis!

  21. teafoe2 said on August 31st, 2010 at 10:17am #

    Jonas Rand said on August 31st, 2010 at 2:52am #

    >You then direct this against American Jewry as a whole, rather than the United States government<

    You're making good progress, Jonas, for a 13 yr old:) But you need to go farther.

    You're right up to a point, not every single US Jew supports every Isreali action. But ALL of Organized Jewry, aka "the Jewish Community" supports Zionism, even if a minority are critical of certain Isreali policies.

    One needs to fully grasp the real character and the real scale of the pro-Isreal Fifth Column in the US, aka the Zionist Power Configuration.

    "I am not, nor have I ever been" a Trotskyist; Lenni Brenner is however which detracts nothing from his superb and superbly focussed scholarly works, in particular his "Jews in America Today" which includes a roster of US Jewish Millio-, Billio-, and Trillionaires, none of whom have ever uttered a syllable conflicting with the Zionist Consensus, and nearly all make regular contributions to The Blue Box or another receptacle for donations to the current Number One Apartheid Regime.

    Another great book is by Lee O'Brien, "American Jewish Organizations", Inst. for Pal Studies, avail from AET. Snapshot survey of ZPC overall structure, details on all major orgs.

    Jeff Blankfort's list of Jewish/Zionist owners of Media.

    Walt & Mearsheimer's book and subsequent articles.

    James Petras' series of books dealing with the ZPC, Chomsky's erroneous analysis and related, beginning with "The Power of Israel in the United States", Clarity Press Atlanta; see also his webpage at http://www.petras.lahaine.org, where you can read all his articles free of charge.

    For an even more comprehensive overview, see Joachim Martillo's "Judonia Rising" page online. Booklength, enough links to make it bookshelf length. And his blog, EAAZI.org.

    enjoy, & good luck:)

  22. teafoe2 said on August 31st, 2010 at 10:20am #

    Jonas, I forgot to mention Grant Smith, his “Foreign Agents” and IRMEP. Pioneer researcher on the 5th Column.

  23. teafoe2 said on August 31st, 2010 at 11:48am #

    John Chuckman says on today’s DV frontpage: “…Abbas is a kind of Palestinian Step’n Fetchit.”:)))!