Road Rage

Okay, now I’m a traffic statistic.

On the way to work the other day I experienced a mild bout of road rage. I didn’t get cut off and no one was creeping along in the fast lane. I simply saw one too many imbecilic bumper stickers.

I was practically indifferent to the old Corolla that’s back windshield informed me that I shouldn’t be fooled, the driver’s treasure was in heaven. And I barely noticed the new Cadillac Escalade whose bumper sticker said, “Not perfect, Just Forgiven.” Juxtaposed, I figured the driver of the Corolla had a better chance of maneuvering through the eye of a needle than the new Escalade owner, but they were both vying for real estate I didn’t have much interest in. So I drove on unfazed.

Then, I passed a suburbia-optioned SUV with a bumper sticker that read “I love my carbon footprint.” And the minivan ahead of it shifted into my lane and echoed the SUVs sentiment. It’s window decal said “Global Warming is a lie.”

Jeez, I thought. Why not just get a bumper sticker that says “I love chopping down rain forests” or “I heart human extinction”?

I know, I know. The jury’s allegedly still out on theories like Global Warming, Climate Change and Evolution, but we’ve got indisputable proof of Jesus, God and the Easter Bunny.

I’m sorry. I try to remain tactful and judicious, but what kind of buffoon comfortably publicizes such irresponsible nonsense? Global warming and climate change are not stand-alone phenomena concocted by scheming liberal scientists to deprive the leisure class of their just and proper spoils. They’re happening in concert with hundreds and thousands of other alarming trends that all indicate that human beings are leaving detrimental “footprints” all over this planet. And our almost psychopathic missteps are not hard to track.

Unless you’re woefully isolated or willfully ignorant, you see or hear about them every day. The Great Pacific Garbage Patch now has an Atlantic counterpart and scientists suspect there are others. Oceanic dead zones are multiplying, sea life is disappearing, coral reefs are dying, seawater is becoming more acidic and the migrations and territoriality of several telltale marine species has grown precarious and unpredictable. Our freshwater systems are being poisoned by urban run-off, toxic dumping, mining and drilling deposits, pesticide drift, acid rain and mercury. Our lands are being depleted by slash and burn farming, industrial agriculture, deforestation, desertification, soil salination and disappearing resources. And this planet’s biological diversity is being decimated by systemic ecosystem erosion and toxicosis, habitat fragmentation, bioaccumulation, human overpopulation and plain old human greed and egotism. For our sins, however, our own bodies are slowly and incrementally becoming toxic soups of cadmium, lead, aluminum, benzene, formaldehyde, chlorine, acetone, mercury, benzopyrenes, nitrosamines, herbicides, household cleaners, etc., etc., etc.

Does the only hope for life on this planet have to be you and I eliminating our own species before it destroys all the others?

These crises are not cyclical. We have seen the enemy and he is us, the guy looking at you in the mirror, the lady you see in your make-up compact, the karaoke stars on American Idol, the irrelevant jocks scoring touchdowns, dunking basketballs or sinking 30-foot putts, the dim minstrels starring in summer blockbusters, and the talk-show personalities proclaiming wisdoms or sharing recipes. We are onlookers and they are clowns. Their sole purpose is to keep us from getting too nervous about the human high-wire act that’s transpiring in the big picture.

It was just a matter of time before the materialist dichotomy of artificial preservatives and planned obsolescence would make Capitalism obsolete. The high-wire act we’re involved in is not death-defying; it’s death inviting. Life doesn’t always go on. Especially when you leave idiots at the wheel, drunk with their own success, addicted to indulgence and blinded by their own cultural narcissism.

The bumper stickers I saw that morning inspired me to drive metaphorically, to speed up, but take my hands off the steering wheel, to keep moving forward faster and faster, but in no controlled, responsible direction. Would I run into the myth of global warming or trade paint-jobs with a beloved carbon imprint? Would I crash into someone who was more worried about treasure in heaven than sustainable life on earth or someone more content with being spiritually forgiven than existentially accountable? Alas, the rage dissipated. We passed each other in our metal coffins on the way to our inconsequential vocations and all was right with my acquiescence. There were clowns to watch on TV later and dire consequences to disregard.

Fort Worth native E. R. Bills is the author of Texas Obscurities: Stories of the Peculiar, Exceptional & Nefarious and Tell-Tale Texas: Investigations in Infamous History. Read other articles by E.R..

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  1. Don Hawkins said on April 22nd, 2010 at 11:12am #

    E bills that was very good.

  2. observing said on April 22nd, 2010 at 11:22am #

    In Roman times, “Bread and Circuses”…

    In my house today, we call it WMD’s…

    “Weapons of Mass Distraction”

  3. mary said on April 22nd, 2010 at 11:37am #

    In the UK we are bombarded with messages on posters and clothing asking us to Help the Heroes. In case you can’t guess, these ‘ Heroes’ are those who return to the UK without some of their limbs or otherwise injured. These brave boys (and girls) have been away in the killing fields of Afghanistan.

  4. Rehmat said on April 22nd, 2010 at 6:24pm #

    The definition of “Hero” is as much coplex as the definition of the “War on Terror”. It all depends on which side of the street you manage to survive. However, in my book the “hero” is that political leader who have the moral courage to stand against the world bullies – US and Israel.

    World’s top independent leaders

  5. Mulga Mumblebrain said on April 22nd, 2010 at 11:58pm #

    I find it nauseating that the war party in the UK, represented by the Zionist Broadcasting Commission and the even more reptilian inhabitants of the Rightwing media sewer, constantly propagandise for the neo-colonial onslaught in Afghanistan by harping on about ‘heroes’. In fact they are anything but heroes. They are fighting in another people’s land, thousands of miles from their own, armed with body armour, armoured cars, drones and F16s to get them out of bother, while the Afghan defenders of their own land have nothing but their own bravery and resourcefulness. The nadir of this vicious warmongering is the obscene charade of Wootton Bassett and its displays of public grief as the mercenary killers return from the latest English imperial adventure to distant lands. When one Islamic group demanded that the innocent Afghan victims of this aggression be remembered, there was an outburst, assiduously cultivated by the media sewer,of racist and xenophobic rage. The absolute inability and total refusal of the Rightwing psychopaths to empathise with the fate of other human beings, and their total indifference to their suffering, if they be different in race or religion, is the root of the evil convulsing the world, that grows daily more vicious and dangerous.

  6. mary said on April 23rd, 2010 at 4:12am #

    Well said as ever Mulga and your other comments. I pass them on to a group of friends who seek justice for the Palestinian people which is long overdue. None of the three main parties have mentioned the ME so far although last night’s ‘debate’ was supposed to be on foreign affairs. We have an illusion of democracy of course and I will be spoiling my ballot paper.

    This is off Mr Bills’ topic for which I apologize but there is an article in today’s Morning Star outlining yet another case of Israeli organ trafficking. A retired army general is implicated. The story is not online yet but the gist is –

    Morning Star, 23rd April 2010.

    Five arrested for organ trafficking

    Israel: Five people including a retired army general have been indicted with operating a nationwide organ trafficking ring that ensnared dozens of potential victims.

    The charges released on Thursday include human trafficking for the purpose of organ harvesting and money laundering.

    The indictment says the organ harvesting ring exploited the desperate condition of sick people, calling it a “form of modern slavery.”


    This is a letter a friend of mine has written to the MS Editor about Clegg the leader of the Liberal Democrats who recently sacked Baroness Jenny Tonge when she dared to say that there should be an investigation into this matter on an international level.

    Dear Sir,

    Israel’s “modern slavery.”

    Your report (23rd April) regarding five arrested in Israel for organ trafficking, including a retired General, is the latest in a disturbing number of such reports, including allegations against a group of rabbis in the United States and an admission by a former Israeli forensic scientist of this practice.

    Families of Palestinians who have had bodies of relatives returned to them have far too often (once would be too often) reported surgical incisions and organs missing. Yet when Baroness Tonge expressed concerns over this issue, relating to Israel’s humanitarian delegations to Haiti (as had others) she was promptly sacked as Liberal Democrat spokesperson for children and health in the House of Lords, by Nick Clegg.

    With Mr Clegg riding high in the pre-election ratings, what an excellent time for him in response to this new report to reinstate Baroness Tonge, with an apology. It would show he has both political backbone and demonstrate independence of the powerful political Jewish lobby.

    If he does not rise to such an opportunity over an issue which has garnered numerous signatures in support of Lady Tonge, he will demonstrably be proven just another poseur, wannabe, Prime Minister or his “hung” partner. Not, as the Baroness, a person of substance.

    Yours etc

  7. E.R. Bills said on April 23rd, 2010 at 5:28am #

    I like to think Dissident Voice is more than just a diatribe against Zionism, but sometimes I wonder. I agree with most that is said, but there are other and arguably larger problems in the world. Also, attributing so much power and influence to the Zionists contributes as much to empowering them as their own sense of self-importance and spiritual self-entitlement. Critics can be as flattering as adulators.

  8. observing said on April 23rd, 2010 at 6:35am #

    Agreed. At some point merely piling on yet more instances and specifics of the corporate warmongering and autocratic shenanigans of the ruling/economic elite serves little purpose.

    All the injustices and “isms” of the world can be traced back to the Few taking advantage of the rest of us. Unfortunately, simply watching the alpha figures in a chimpanzee troop for 20 minutes tells us all we really need to know about the abuse of power in human societies. My family, my tribe, my race, my country… The rest of our vaunted social and psychological complexities tends to just distract from and perpetuate this primal exploitation at a higher intellectual level. Patriotism and religious fervour are the blinders of the masses.

    The solution begins when “the left” stops dividing and conquoring itself by the constant, tiresome bickering over the details of which outrage is more deserving of the public’s attention than another.

    Focus people… look at the “issues” the elite and their corporate echo chamber media move out of the public eye as quickly as possible. Those are the key pressure points. Israel/Palestine, or for that, matter the entire Middle East is not a “swing” issue. The public has taken up conviction positions and nothing short of an unprovoked US nuclear strike will change their minds.

    But maintaining public “confidence” in the “economy” in the face of a world financial system bankrupted by elective warfare and corporate/political greed and opportunism? That is a “must do” for the elite. Directly and consistently connect Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Columbia, covert ops and black prisons etc. to Goldman Sachs/”the mortgage crisis”, the Greek default, the debt to China and maybe the average US/EU citizen might take notice and action.

    As in, you, the taxpayer, owe China $XXX, have lower pay and fewer job opportunities and an insane health care system because Bush and now Obama et. al. decided drop bombs on Afghan homes, run Guantanamo, finance Israel, and throw tax money at corporations rather than provide citizens with social programs. Where did the money go? Check the stock market and the 100 Wealthiest People in the World list. Where’s a guillotine when you need one?

    The bumper stickers in the article are merely an indicator of a public generationally conditioned to be led by the Few for the Few.

  9. bozh said on April 23rd, 2010 at 7:40am #

    yes to ur observation that it all started with a few people enserfing or enslaving to a degree majority of people.
    I conclude that in days prior to rise of shamanism, sorcery, macic human societies were much egalitarian and guided-taught-ruled by elder [s].

    But after the rise of priestly and/or ‘noble’ rule, guidance-teaching was totally abrogated and in their stead a dictatorship set up.

    Today, in many lands we are not guided-taught- merely ruled like serfs! tnx

  10. Don Hawkins said on April 23rd, 2010 at 8:42am #

    Where does food come from the grocery store, is it possible to change your own oil on your car, can you make a pie in your own home, how much energy does it take to produce aluminum is it better to have others do things for you, what is a better way to live a farmer or golf pro, who is more intelligent a movie star or a wall street trader, how long have human’s walked on the Earth, do we need a new way of thinking, can you only have the clothes on your back and be a lucky human being, can a man act like a girl, can a girl act like a man, are girls smarter than boy’s are boy’s smarter than girls, how old is the Earth, is there a god, are we being watched by UFO’s, what really happened at Roswell, is Fox New’s fair and balanced??

  11. Don Hawkins said on April 23rd, 2010 at 9:32am #

    A long time ago I was deep in the Amazon Jungle when I came upon a hill and there is was an entrance to the cave. As I went in the cave it felt cold and damp but as I went in further it became warmer and what seemed like an eternity I walked then as I looked up on a ledge there it was shinning in the darkness a gold box. I was surprised how light it was and tried to open the box with no luck. Then this bright light surrounded me and a voice talking to my mind told me the code the words to say to open the box. So I did and there it was a book the voice told me it was the book of knowledge and to read it and share the knowledge. Well that was about twenty years ago and I tried to share what I read and found that most just thought I was a nut so now I only write on DV. Anybody want to know how life started on Earth?

  12. Don Hawkins said on April 23rd, 2010 at 10:09am #

    About 13 billions years ago the book told me in our Universe there was a very very small point of light they called it a singularity in space-time. At that moment in space-time the energy was released and welcome to the known Universe. About 9 billion years later our Earth started to form along with the other planets and our moon. The book told me we human’s and other life forms are so lucky to be here it boggles the mind. Just the right conditions very very rare in the known universe. The book also told me, about now, we would all need the book of knowledge to survive as all life forms on Earth are in deep do do exact words. Again only a few are listening. Oh the point of light when the Universe first started the book didn’t say I guess even the life forms that wrote it didn’t have all the answers. Oh and why are life forms in deep do do well read above post from E bills there must be more than one copy of the book of knowledge.

  13. bozh said on April 23rd, 2010 at 10:17am #

    at one time all gods were equally smart-fair. So, they made wonderful people. Girls and boys were full of laughter, joy, peace, security. Everybody worked.But everything changes.
    So, it is some kind of change that started life! Or was it a cosmic accident? And since the first accident, all we had is accidents.
    Right now we have some in raq, and afgh’n. Bush was definitely an accident. BHO appears even bigger accident. What do u think of palin? Do u think she can think, talk, and get laid at the same time?
    Of course, US is the biggest accident wee cld have ever had. I don’t like making ‘promises’ [?all promises are lies] but do expect more and even larger accidents.

    On the other hand, u and i are the only incidents on this site; some of the others are mere annoying accidents. tnx

  14. Don Hawkins said on April 23rd, 2010 at 10:29am #

    Wait a minute Bozh I looked that up in the book and there is no such thing as an accident in above terms. When you drop something it’s being pushed a curve in space-time.

  15. lichen said on April 23rd, 2010 at 2:15pm #

    It is disgusting how arrogant, wastefull western idiots treat global warming as something abstract, when in Africa, the global south, small island nations…it is a clear reality. These people can’t hop in their suv’s and drive to the market to buy water; when their glaciers melt, they will die of thirst; and they can’t cocoon themselves in high-rise apartments with air conditioning; if it gets hotter, they’ll be eaten by the insects that move up to where they are; the crops they’ve sown for thousands of years won’t survive in these new conditions, the trees will die.

    We have to leave the oil, coal, tarsands, gas, and metals in the ground; no more mining. The price of using these extractive products is that somewhere else, someone suffers; the people working in the mines, the indigenous and poor people who live nearbye, are poisoned, their water contaminated; the forests are cleared, the mountains blown up; and then this stuff is shipped elsewhere where it poisons and contaminates the rest of us. Down with mining!

  16. lichen said on April 23rd, 2010 at 3:52pm #

    And I agree that every issue should not be brought back to zionism. We know, after all, that there are anti-zionists who deny global warming and encourage/commit ecocidal crimes themselves, so it is really beyond that.

  17. Don Hawkins said on April 23rd, 2010 at 4:01pm #

    I still say it’s a tuff bunch

  18. dan e said on April 23rd, 2010 at 5:34pm #

    Doesn’t every issue resolve to a question of who has the power?
    Yes, there are all kinds of phoney “anti-Zionists” out there, including a whole industry of anti-Jewish racists trying to worm their way into being accepted as part of the anti-Imperialist anti-Zionist movement. People like this Australian racist Winkler actually serve the interests of the Zionist Enterprises by providing grist for their argument that anti-Zionism and opposition to Zionist Power Elite control of US foreign & military policy are just a cover for Hitler-style anti-Jewish racism.
    But this stuff is all so much Ideological Warfare. None of it, and none of the comments on this thread attempting to poohpooh the necessity, if one would be a responsible activist in the US empire right now, to make a close examination of the Zionist Enterprise and the US Zionist Power Apparatus in order to determine just how much power these people actually wield or don’t wield.
    My own investigations over the last four decades have changed my view of the situation. I’ve gone from automatically discounting any raising of the question of Jewish Power as crackpottery akin to UFO hunting, to my present outlook in which if I see evil being perpetrated on a country or people-wide scale I automatically assume it is happening because certain Zionists want it to happen. Of course there are exceptions to any rule, but as far as I’m concerned, at this point in history the burden of proof falls to those who would absolve the Zionists of responsibility.
    You say “The War On Terror” (sic) is not a Zionist creation? That “Al Qaida” is not a Zionist invention? That 911 was not just another Zionist false-flag op?
    Very good, now prove it:)
    The ball at this point really is in your court. The truth is, it is impossible to exaggerate the role played by the Zionist Power Elite in initiating and perpetuating Perpetual Global War, including war vs the planet earth and its lifeforms.
    The truth is, every person who in any way supports the Zionist Power Apparatus is guilty as an accessory to War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity. So how many Reform, Conservative, and Orthodox synagogues do you know of that have openly come out against Zionist settler-colonialism? I myself have never heard of one that didn’t display prominently the “Blue Box” for donations to the Jewish National Fund, i.e. to the Zionist warchest.
    Why shouldn’t Tea Partiers who are against Empire & Global War start picketing local synagogues where money is collected for the Israeli State?
    Heheh, I’m kidding:) Nothing like this will ever happen in the USA:) And I have no use for T-baggers period since it’s all a sucker game invented by the top capitalist echelons to divert attention while the big fish fleece the little fish. The old Scapegoat game, just a diversion. Just another device to divert attention from what needs to be investigated.
    Who really has Power to decide what the US State Apparatus will or won’t do? Who decides when the military moves, what the Media will disseminate, what ripoffs the Financial State Apparatus will inflict on whom?

    And now we will hear from the Walt-Mearsheimer Deniers:)

  19. Deadbeat said on April 23rd, 2010 at 6:05pm #

    Thanks DanE for setting the record straight. The Zionist indoctrination is COMPLETE. When you have people complaining that there is “too much” criticism about Zionist influence you know that the indoctrination has worked.

    observing writes …

    The solution begins when “the left” stops dividing and [conquering] itself by the constant, tiresome bickering over the details of which outrage is more deserving of the public’s attention than another.

    What observing observes is how the Zionist on the “Left” frame and paint the rhetoric. What observing fails to observe is how he/she response has been conditioned by Zionist rhetoric. What observing is missing is how to observe issues from PRINCIPLED positions. When you obverse from that frame that is when your EYES are able to open themselves to the real truth otherwise you are just BLIND.

    Dan is absolutely correct…

    The truth is, every person who in any way supports the Zionist Power Apparatus is guilty as an accessory to War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity. .

  20. Deadbeat said on April 23rd, 2010 at 6:19pm #

    How about this …

    April 23, 2010 “United States House of Representatives” — Mr. Speaker I rise in opposition to this motion to instruct House conferees on HR 2194, the Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability and Divestment Act, and I rise in strong opposition again to the underlying bill and to its Senate version as well. I object to this entire push for war on Iran, however it is disguised. Listening to the debate on the Floor on this motion and the underlying bill it feels as if we are back in 2002 all over again: the same falsehoods and distortions used to push the United States into a disastrous and unnecessary one trillion dollar war on Iraq are being trotted out again to lead us to what will likely be an even more disastrous and costly war on Iran. The parallels are astonishing. — Ron Paul

    And you’ve got Noam Chomsky who is against any boycott of the Zionist entity known as Israel who consumes our tax dollars — not only in direct aid but indirectly via loan guarantees and the WAR ON IRAQ. Yet you have “activists” with the audacity to complain that there is TOO MUCH criticism against Zionism here on DV — go figure.

  21. Don Hawkins said on April 23rd, 2010 at 6:21pm #

    Well Dan who decides so far it’s feed the system and the web page above Greenpeace is fighting the system and the system is winning at least for a few more years. The Earth this Universe we live in that’s live, life will get the finial say. It appears some and that human arrogance might like to think they get the finial say afraid not on this mote of dust. Now just on the off chance there is other life out there maybe in a thousand years or so they will come to Earth and see some of us at least tried to understand and try.

  22. Don Hawkins said on April 23rd, 2010 at 7:08pm #

    Again just on the off chance there is other life out there and say they learned to get over themselves all things being equal just one million years from the point we are all at would probably do the trick. If there is more than one Universe well that changes everything. Back to us human’s how does the big picture look on that getting over ourselves? Truth and knowledge are we making any progress again refer to above web page Greenpeace.

  23. Don Hawkins said on April 24th, 2010 at 4:50am #

    “Although we appreciate the Senate’s efforts to reduce global warming pollution, it’s clear that polluter lobbyists have succeeded in hijacking this climate policy initiative and undermined the ambitious action necessary.

    We cannot support this bill unless the following elements change:

    Oh yes the old lobbyists again from the private sector that’s a wall street term have done there work again. Money walk’s and shit talk’s on the third one from the Sun. Our last look at this was of course the health care bill a complex piece of nonsense and we got to watch people with there head up there ass in living color. The health care bill doesn’t mean the end of the human race as we know it as a start but the next piece of complex bullshit does. The problem, problems we all face are big and a real try will take an enormous effort part of that effort is to get over ourselves and work together. So far it appears the problem, problems are big and the people with there head up there ass are very small and enjoy taking money from lobbyists/private sector and how does the story play out not well. The system these so called leaders love so much is not the answer it got us to this point. Will the private sector have there way sure looks like it so in order to make it work for them more propaganda and lies will be needed to make it work in the short term and in the long term well noise generators as a start comes to mind along with very tuff day’s ahead. It doesn’t have to be this way we could make a real try at this you know change we can believe in you know real as opposed to unreal, unreal is that new speak? Get ready as unreal well thought out unreal is on the way.

    We are onlookers and they are clowns. Their sole purpose is to keep us from getting too nervous about the human high-wire act that’s transpiring in the big picture.

    I know, I know. The jury’s allegedly still out on theories like Global Warming, Climate Change and Evolution, but we’ve got indisputable proof of Jesus, God and the Easter Bunny.

    Unreal along with real opposing forces so to speak and boring this will not be. Maybe I will take up golf.

  24. bozh said on April 24th, 2010 at 7:39am #

    Well, i don’t think, i know DV is educating people ab israel. So am i. And since no human is infallible, one can expect that not all that was said is enlightening or true.

    Attemptng to enlighten people, cannot ever, i think, be of any use to socalled zionists or ‘zionists’.

    It wld be nice if people not only stopped attacking or geting personal with people, but also stopped attacking what they are saying.
    To me, such behavior attempts to deter free speech. And one shld permit people to be wrong.

    People who attack other people or what they say cannot be part of building an egalitarian and an unmeritocratic society and the latter causing all ills that befell some or most of us! tnx

  25. observing said on April 24th, 2010 at 9:29am #

    Deadbeat writes: “What observing observes is how the Zionist on the “Left” frame and paint the rhetoric. What observing fails to observe is how he/she response has been conditioned by Zionist rhetoric. What observing is missing is how to observe issues from PRINCIPLED positions. When you obverse from that frame that is when your EYES are able to open themselves to the real truth otherwise you are just BLIND.”

    Sorry, I am not “blind” to the abuse of power that Zionism constitutes. It is as indefensible as the abuse of power of racism, misogynism, elitism or any other “ism”. But Zionism should hold no greater place than the other “isms” in our overarching quest to eradicate the abuse of power everywhere and forever.

    The TRUTH is, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

  26. bozh said on April 24th, 2010 at 9:49am #

    S’mthing, as i see it, much more evil than ‘zionism’ [theft of land], preceded colonialism, imperialism, and now planetarianism.
    Imo, meritocracy and inegaliatarianism are by far more sinister than theft of land.
    Theft of land, lust for control, etc. are mere symptoms. The first cause is division of people into people and non-people.
    In any case, we can talk forever ab symptoms [which is what msm does only] or we can at least postulate the first cause.
    If u want to eradicate one cancer, u must search for first cause of it; i.e., look at cancer cell structure adn how it arises.
    Lucky for us, some people actually do that! tnx

  27. dan e said on April 25th, 2010 at 10:34am #

    Dear Observing,

    Please observe who jumps in to support the notion that the attention paid to izzy et al is excessive. Please observe also “jon s'” final sentence which actually says nothing about the actual existing world. It informs us about jon’s “reminiscences”, which amount to no more than musings about what he may have read or heard about at some point in the course of his brainwashing at the hands of the Zionist Power Apparatus.

    I don’t claim to know exactly who it is that gives Obama & Bernanke their marching orders, since so much of the workings of the top echelon Power Elite is concealed from view. But the evidence available on the surface and as far below the surface as we can get all points in the same direction. It says that the Zionist Elite has come to dominate the US Imperial State Apparatus. Although it appears the element which previously occupied the role of Top Dog, i.e., the WASP “Our Sort” element, still retains enough power to emit a loud squawk now & then, eg. the article by Rashid Khalidi in the current issue of Foreign Affairs, there is little evidence that such minority voices have any impact on the choice of actual US government policy choices.
    Indeed, this evidence of the existence of a “dissident” point of view among a section of the imperial ruling class would seem to help with the marketing of the latest attempt to portray the US as an “honest broker”, a disinterested “third party” able to broker a “negotiated settlement/just peace” between the Isreali gangsters and their victims.
    If you’ve been paying attention, all the nonsense asserted by such as jon s, jaime & the rest of the Zionist trolls polluting threads on DV has been refuted, rebutted & exposed as BS by other better educated Zionists like Chomsky, Zunes, Finkelstein. For those who HAVE been paying attention, the challenge is to deconstruct the arguments advanced by the Chomskys & the Finkelsteins, to deconstruct the “Democracy Now” version, to dissect what these Zionists in Sheeps Clothing are pushing, in hopes we can “de-confuse” larger and larger fractions of the “dissident” public searching for answers.
    Jon s & his ilk are really just a distraction; refuting them is a waste of time since they have already been refuted by the smartest of their fellow Zionists.

    A note about “isms”: it is a peculiarity of the English language that the same term denotes both an ideological phenomenon and a material same. Or more precisely, a material existent which includes an ideological component.
    So often when the term “Zionism” is used, it is intended to denote not just the set of ideas/myths held or/and advanced by Zionists, but also the institutions, organizations, and material structures including the “Jewish State” in the ME and also the “Isreal Lobby” in the US plus cognate structures elswhere.
    So people who want clarity in discussions tend to use more comprehensive terms like “Zionist Power Configuration”, “ZPC” for short.
    ZPC is a very good piece of nomenclature. If you start thinking about it, considering alternatives. “Isreal Lobby” only describes one component, one sphere of activity. “Zionist Power Elite”, “Zionist Power Apparatus”,”Zionist State Apparatus” are all useful in certain contexts but only describe “parts of the elephant”; ZPC refers to the whole beast, including its history prior and subsequent to its assumption of State power. (This particular phenomenon/process can’t begin to be understood without understanding its history.)

  28. lichen said on April 25th, 2010 at 2:45pm #

    Observing is right; those who have an obsessive ideology of antizionism and who conflate it with conspiracy theories to be something it is not do render themselves completely blind and shallow. Those who deny global warming, such as anti-zionists are much worse than most zionists themselves; because climate change threatens the entire species. You have to fit all of the criteria; hiding behind an opposition to zionism doesn’t cloak your hatred of children, your homophobia, your ecocidal crimes, your ignorance of how to garden organically, your lack of overall vision. Israel/Palestine is just one of many issues, and I do also find it sad that there are so many articles here about it; it doesn’t signify anti-semetism, but simple lack of imagination and depth.

  29. Don Hawkins said on April 25th, 2010 at 3:53pm #

    A fool-proof method for sculpting an elephant: first, get a huge block of marble; then you chip away everything that doesn’t look like an elephant. unknown author

    Any elephants that need to be chipped away at calm at peace fight back the truth the knowledge something we will not see much of from well dressed fools who keep telling us what to think. The you know what is about to hit the fan kind of easy to see and boring this will not be. And in this corner wearing the black trunks lie like a dog the myth the illusion and in this corner wearing the light trunks the truth the knowledge this will be a ten round bout may the best person win. Monday the bell rings and not so much from so called leaders but us and we need to point out loud and clear hello the elephant did you happen to miss that it’s right there must weigh at least two ton’s you just walked right by it you still can’t see it do you need glasses here I have a pair but don’t wear them to long can give you a headache anything look different to you now?

  30. Don Hawkins said on April 25th, 2010 at 5:00pm #

    It’s kind of like we are all on this spaceship, spaceship Earth. One hell of a ship all the latest technology just one little problem no one at the controls and the fight is on to see who get’s to do that. The engines of the ship were found out to be putting poison gas out a few scientists on board and probably better to cut our speed until we can think up some new power source. A few on board want to use the ship to go and find new Worlds and well make money by taking there resources. Another group was just served tea and I don’t know what they put in it but the few who want to use the ship to make money have the tea drinkers convinced that is a good idea. A big part of the people on board are workers just regular people and are just trying to find out what the hell is going on but the first group the money people keep hogging the PA system and a sort of strangeness is spreading though out the ship. The person now at the controls never flew a starship before and just maybe will ask some on board who have but again those darn money people don’t like that idea. So the ship is still hurtling though space and no one is sure in what direction with that little engine problem. One of the scientists by the name of James Hansen said we should have a vote and most thought this was a good idea but again the money people about 1% of the people on board don’t like this idea and keep hogging the PA system. Well a few more thinkers on board are starting to think maybe plan B. It’s Sunday and tomorrow we will see if anybody makes any progress on just where the hell we are all going in time and space.

  31. Don Hawkins said on April 25th, 2010 at 5:43pm #

    Oh and on the ship many languages are spoken all known to man and that includes Spanish yes I said Spanish and it seems that the people who drank the tea with the funny dust compliments of the money people don’t speak much Spanish and don’t eat rice and beans but pizza and hamburgers and the scientists on board sent the person at the controls of the spaceship first time a message that first had to get through the money people who are still hogging the PA system and told him on this present course an unknown direction we will reach a point of no return and kind of be stuck in deep space with no way home. Tomorrow tomorrow it’s only a day. away.

  32. dan e said on April 25th, 2010 at 6:09pm #

    You wrong Mr Lichen. “Observing” offers some factually incorrect arguments in spots, but you just wrong. Just an echo of the Zionist propaganda machine.

    What you know about my breadth depth of vision? My powers of imagination? My experience of organic gardening? My record of working for the interests of children?

    What have I ever said on this site that can be interpreted as “homophobic”?
    Naw man, you jiven. Ran out of factual arguments so you start flinging insults.

    Your problem is you talk when you should be listening.

    For your info, I got into organic gardening back in the previous Depression, before WWII. I was four years old and inordinately proud of my four block-long furrows of potatoes. I dug the furrows, cut sections with eyes & planted them, added cowshit, watered, went down the rows with a can of kerosene knocking off potato bugs, in the fall dug up spuds with a grownup size spading fork. Our whole family ate those spuds all winter.
    We basically lived on what we were able to grow on our five 125 by 50 city lots, from before I could talk until 1944 when wartime prosperity finally reached us there in the wilds of pre-tourism Montana.
    Well, it really wasn’t that “wild”: the Blackfeet bitterroot farm was only about a mile away:)
    There are all kinds of “visions” of the “better worlds” we could create, but until the people who are running things NOW are displaced and disempowered, it’s all so much hot air. Just like your “comment”:)

    You talk a good game, but when push comes to shove you choose to be part of the problem. I’m making a feeble attempt to be part of the solution by letting DV readers know they need to pay attention to what Jeff Blankfort, Jas Petras, Lenni Brenner, Grant Smith, Kathy & Bill Christison, Yitzak Shamir, Gilad Atzmon, Dave Rovics, to name just a few others, are trying to tell them.

    But it really shouldn’t require all that scholarship and intellectual brilliance. Anyone who approaches the subject with out preconceptions need do no more than turn on the TV & see what the Propaganda Machine is pushing.

  33. Deadbeat said on April 25th, 2010 at 7:26pm #


    Once again I bow down to your excellent commentary and insight. I admire and respect the journey that has helped to shape your perspectives and education. I too accepted the Zionist propaganda until I got involved in the anti-war movement of 2003. It was then that I discovered the so-called Left-wing icons — who I dubbed as the “Chomskyites” — are in fact a MAJOR part of the problem and has done more damaged than good.

    Lichen, observing, and E.R. Bills perspectives are a direct outcome of the “Chomskyite” indoctrination, obfuscation and propaganda that deflects from Zionism’s power and influence of U.S. Foreign Policy. In fact they have misused anti-Semitism to avoid a REAL confrontation of Zionism. They are IMO MORE GUILTY of crimes against humanity because they have deliberately misdirected activists and other people of goodwill to become unwitting protectors of a fundamentally racist ideology.

  34. lichen said on April 25th, 2010 at 7:58pm #

    You make no argument yourself, dan e but just spout a bunch of personal details that may or may not be true. My point was that picking up the saber of antizionism does not absolve you from anything, does not mean you are a good person or a progressive or someone who advocates real change, does not, unlike what you beleived, make it so that your overall political beleifs are unquestionable by other movements and concerns, which I continue to question of you.

    I’ve seen antizionists here (and on the larger internet) who do deny global warming, who are homophobic, who are patently against democracy and the people’s voice. I’ve also seen many who are obsessive fanatics in their ideology, both communist and anti-zionist. I condemn them; I don’t there is some monolothic “good” antizionist entity which you represent, and I don’t think you earn the title of a good person just because you spout endless conspiracy theories and rhetoric.

    Yes, I look at the bigger picture–Chomsky’s overall political profile looks much better to me than deadbeat’s idol wrong paul does; that he prefers the far-right has long been obvious, but I believe more in social justice so I don’t walk with reactionary libertarians who fight class wars against the poor.

  35. lichen said on April 25th, 2010 at 8:04pm #

    This article was about environmental and global warming issues; but people who are against democracy and who deny global warming and support ecocide posted here about zionism instead; shame on those trolls.

  36. E.R. Bills said on April 25th, 2010 at 8:30pm #


    “unwitting protectors of a fundamentally racist ideology?”

    I write a piece about the the catalogue of impending environmental calamities we face and that makes me a zionist ennabler? couldn’t you be the unwitting purveyor anti-zionist paranoia? are there any problems in the world the jews aren’t responsible for?

  37. jon s said on April 25th, 2010 at 9:41pm #

    Dan e, You slipped up back there. Referring to “izzy” revealed your true colors. You also refered to Chomsky and Finkelstein as Zionists (!) and to Yitzhak Shamir as an anti-Zionist! Confusion reigns.
    And I’m not a troll, I’m a leftist writing on an ostensibly leftist forum.

  38. dino said on April 25th, 2010 at 10:21pm #

    Dan e meant, probably ,Israel Shamir

  39. Mulga Mumblebrain said on April 26th, 2010 at 4:30am #

    jon, as I’ve noted constantly you are no ‘leftist’. To be a real ‘leftist’ of any type I can imagine, ie committed to human solidarity and justice throughout the world, one cannot, at the same time, be an apologist for a racist ideology like Zionism and a fascist terror state like Israel.Your position is therefore, in my opinion at least, either deluded or hypocritical.

  40. jon s said on April 26th, 2010 at 5:13am #

    I’m certainly more of a leftist than people who sympathize with Islamic fundamentalists like the Hamas or clerical-fascists like Hizbullah.
    And I dispute your definiton of Zionism as racist and of Israel as fascist and terrorist.

  41. observing said on April 26th, 2010 at 12:54pm #

    Well folks, I must be doing something right, as I’ve managed to irritate all sides of the argument.

    I’ll admit to being “issue weary”, so can’t be bothered to parse out every phrase in every post. And if I thought my actually knowing and being able to prove who pulls the strings on Bush, Obama, Greenspan, Bernake would come to anything, I would find out and put it out there. But as many times as the case is made by an endless stream of researchers and journalists, someone pops up, agrues black is white, demands yet more proof or uses the Socratic trick that if one part of a proof is wrong, the whole proof is invalid. I guess that’s all you can do when faced with the prodigious weight of evidence for Pax Amerikana.

    The US is waddling quickly towards a fascist/militarist police state most interested in propagating resource wars run by and for the usual suspects. All the quacks and feathers are in plain sight if you just care to look and listen. The Emperor has no clothes. “I AM OZ, THE GREAT AND POWERFUL”… “Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.” A 13 year old kid can figure this out, why can’t you lot?

    So, once more with feeling.
    “The Left” does itself no favours buy getting into petty “my issue is more important than your issue” pissing matches. Makes the jobs of the military/corporate combine apologists and political antagonists’ job of creating Weapons of Mass Distraction (WMD’S) easy. Maybe we need a similar term for Godwin-ing a thread for invoking some aspect of the entire Israel/Palestine issue into unrelated issues.

    Whether it is “papers please” legislation for non-whites in the Amerikan Homeland or Operation Iraqi Liberation (OIL) the seminal issues of underlying power abuse and corruption get buried in an avalanche of convoluted and confusing rhetoric.

    John and Jane Q. Public exit screaming stage right.

    Just what the corporate/militarist/political elite want.

  42. Mulga Mumblebrain said on April 28th, 2010 at 10:36am #

    Dispute all you like jon, but facts are facts.A state that treats its citizens differently according to race,benefiting the chosen ones while maltreating the ‘enemy within’, is an apartheid state. A state that occupies another people’s land and steals it, while murdering,torturing and brutalising them, and that treats international humanitarian law with absolute contempt, is fascist, Nazi-like. These facts are known to all who have escaped the Zionist controlled Western media’s indoctrination, and their numbers are growing.Amongst decent,humane people everywhere, Israel is recognised as a pariah state and moral evil. As for Hamas and Hezbollah, I certainly do not share aspects of their ideology, but their bravery,opposition to evil and steadfastness are eminently worthy of admiration. They are,moreover, in this context, by far the lesser evil.

  43. dan e said on April 28th, 2010 at 5:42pm #

    Dino, you are correct. Thanks for clarifying what I meant.
    “Liechen”: I’m surprised to see you dare to show your handle on DV again so soon after making such a fool of yourself as you did in your earlier slanderous comment addressed to myself. I probably shouldn’t have bothered to dispute your ridiculous personal allegations, but the political position you try to defend does at present constitute the “progressive” prevailing mythology, the most widely accepted/promoted Conventional Wisdom of the crackpot reality-addicted psuedo-“left” which constitutes the Zionist Financial Group’s last line of Cover & Concealment, to borrow a term from the ROTC Infantry field manual.
    I see that in your last post you sensibly try to retreat to a more defensible “estancia”, but it won’t wash. The first thing you need to do is apologize for attributing all kinds of criminality to me without a shred of evidence. As mindreaders go you’re a flop.
    Maybe you were having a bad day? Were feeling stressed out and let fly with the first thing that came to mind? Nobody’s perfect; in the past you’ve posted thoughts which I found commendable & expressed agreement, so I’m a little bemused to see you making a fool of yourself in public.
    Check that: reviewing your last post addressed to myself, I see what your problem is. You apparently have never learned to reason rationally. That is, you seem not to understand the relation between facts and speculation. Between syllogistic logic and unsupported accusations.

    Your rap goes something like this: Some Antizionists are Bad People. Dan is an Antizionist; therefore he is a Bad Person.
    “I have no proof that Dan is not a homophobic childmolester who uses more than his share of energy & resources, knows nothing of Organic Gardening (heavens!), denies Global Warming, and is opposed to democracy; therefore he must be guilty on all counts, so instead of offering facts in rebuttal of his views I’ll just accuse him of all these crimes here in this public forum; even if he manages to refute most of what I say about him, a certain number of readers will assume that where there is smoke there must be fire, & his credibility will thereby be weakened, making it easier to convince readers to dismiss the case he keeps making”.
    The point, my friend, is NOT whether I’m a “good person” or a bad one. The question is whether my analyis of socio-political reality is accurate or not. Whether I’m providing DV readers with facts, arguments and sources worth considering or if I’m wasting everybody’s time.

    It’s interesting that you like Chomsky better than you do “wrong Paul”(congrats on a felicitous coinage:); I myself find it hard to determine a preference between the two. Both are IMO Misleaders; both are dangerous. I wasn’t aware that Deadbeat was a Paul fan, which would seem a bit out of character.
    But Chomsky makes no bones about the fact that he is a Zionist. That is, he believes “Israel” to be a legitimate polity, a country like other countries such as Mexico, France, Italy. He does not recognize that the Zionist Enterprise was a criminal undertaking from the outset. Yes he makes many perceptive & informed criticisms of Isreali policies, but he fails to acknowledge that these policies stem from the Zionist Entity’s fundamental nature as a racist colonial enterprise bent on conquest and robbery.

    Hold it, time out, let me post this much and start afresh…

  44. dan e said on April 28th, 2010 at 6:37pm #

    Some people think historical events happen by accident, or are expressions of Divine Whims; others advance a superficial psuedo-Marxist view of history as the outcome of blind Historical Forces; I like to call this the Victor Navasky version, but it also characterizes the philosophy underlying the Monthly Review’s explanations, ideologies like the CC-DS, PDA, UFPJ, CPUSA, Democracy Now and the ANSWER Coalition.
    This is a view of history as Class Struggle, except that the actual persons composing the top echelons of the ruling capitalist class have been whisked out of sight.
    Of course recent generations of capitalists have made a determined and largely successful effort to remain invisible. Yes we hear quite a bit about some personalities, like Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, Donald Trump, but mostly people “on the left” hear about Corporations. About the “legal persons”, but not about the human persons who actually control these Firms, about who in the end reaps the benefits from Corporate activities.
    There is a Theory, known as the Managerial Revolution theory, which says that ownership of stocks/bonds or of corporate IOUs is no longer relevant to the process of corporation decision-making, and “The Firm” is nowadays completely controlled by its Executives of record. According to this theory, Investment is no longer motivated by the intent or desire to return a profit to the investors, but is made in order to make it possible for Executives to pay themselves salaries, bonusses and Golden Parachutes.
    I find this theory to have considerable plausibility but I don’t really buy it. I’ve fallen behind the curve on recent developments in the Political Economy field, but until I see solid argument to the contrary, I’m going to continue believing that large corporations are for the most part controlled by groups of common-stock holders who are mainly united by family connections or by long-standing family alliances which persist over generations, and that such family-based groups find that owning a substantial minority percentage of the publicly traded common stock the group is able to effectively control policy and operative decisionmaking.
    One essential point which must never be forgotten or overlooked: A Corporation is a legal structure. As such it is a TOOL, an instrument that obeys the will of some human or group of humans. As a legal “person” it can own assets, enabling the owners or whoever controls corporate decisionmaking to derive revenues/profits from said assets; it is also possible for the owners/controllers to transfer the actual wealth of the corporation to another/several other legal entity(s), leaving the first corporation legally bankrupt while the erstwhile stockholders’ state of affluence is actually enhanced.
    moral of the story: we have to be sure we don’t mistake the Cape for the Bull, or Legal Fictions for the real people behind the curtain.
    To be continued…

  45. Deadbeat said on April 28th, 2010 at 7:20pm #

    E.R. Bills writes …
    Deadbeat: couldn’t you be the unwitting purveyor anti-zionist paranoia? are there any problems in the world the jews aren’t responsible for?

    First E.R. I NEVER mentioned “Jews”. I mentioned ZIONISTS. Clearly the majority of Zionists are Jews and have covered their racist and Capitalist activities under the guise of Judaism. However the most outspoken ANTI-ZIONISTS that I’ve named are ALL Jews. Therefore E.R. it is YOU who is MISREPRESENTING the issue and thus trying to conceal and deflect the influence of Zionism has on the U.S. political economy by blaming “Jews” and to use “Jews” as a means to curtail analysis of this dire problem.

  46. Deadbeat said on April 28th, 2010 at 8:59pm #

    Dane writes …

    I wasn’t aware that Deadbeat was a Paul fan, which would seem a bit out of character.

    I’m not a fan of Ron Paul. His [Capitalist] Libertarian theology is dangerous. However I’m also not a fan of Zionism and its quest to take us to war on Iran to serve the goals of the Zionist Power Configuration (ZPC).

    My use of Paul’s remarks was to make the point against those “activists” here who consider that there is “too much” anti-Zionist rhetoric on Dissident Voice. IMO there is NOT ENOUGH!

  47. Deadbeat said on April 28th, 2010 at 9:07pm #

    Dan e writes …

    [Noam Chonsky] does not recognize that the Zionist Enterprise [Israel] was a criminal undertaking from the outset.

    The other problem with Chomsky is that he GOES OUT OF HIS WAY to OBFUSCATE the POWER of the Zionist Power Configuration that has enormous about of influence over the United States political economy and short circuits any kind of mobilization against it. This is why the anti-war movement is virtually non-existent today. 2004 the so-called icons of the pseudo-Left — Chomsky and most infamously Howard Zinn chose not to support the anti-war candidacy of Ralph Nader and chose the war mongering John Kerry via the slick Anybody But Bush electoral strategy.

  48. jon s said on April 29th, 2010 at 12:40pm #

    Well, Mulga, there you have it: if you admire the Hamas terrorists and the Hezbollah clerical-fascists, and prefer them over a country which is, after all, and despite it’s flaws, a democracy, where does that put you on the left-right continuum?
    As to their “bravery” – the Hamas have shown themselves to be a bunch of cynical cowards, hiding behind their own civilians, and likewise the cruelty, brutality and sheer evil of the Hezbollah are obvious. Just see whom they consider a “hero” – Samir Kuntar, the child-murderer.

  49. mary said on April 29th, 2010 at 12:59pm #

    Who are the terrorists here then jon s? Very democratic. Very brave. Very cruel. Very barbaric. Very evil.

  50. jon s said on April 29th, 2010 at 2:21pm #

    I’m not the one who sees the issue in black-and-white. I certainly condemn those settlers and consider them to be terrorists.

  51. Mulga Mumblebrain said on April 29th, 2010 at 11:15pm #

    Your hypocrisy never ceases to amaze, jon. Hezbollah exist because of evil, alright-vicious Zionist evil. Hezbollah grew out of years of Israeli occupation of South Lebanon. The Zionists have long claimed Lebanon up to the Litani, under the usual racist and supremacist nonsense that their ‘Holy Books’, in between orders from their ‘God’ to exterminate all his enemies down to suckling babes, maintain shows that the land is the patrimony of the tribe of Asher. Under this insane and deeply vicious worldview the real owners of the homes and fields of the Shia Lebanese are absentee landowners living in New Jersey or Golders Green.
    While under Israeli occupation from 1978 to 2000, the Shia Lebanese suffered a reign of terror where the Israelis, with their innate racist viciousness and intense appetite for savage cruelty inflicted on ‘two-legged animals’ murdered, tortured and terrorised. They set up a death-squad of local psychopaths, the ‘South Lebanese Army’ to carry out some of the more repulsive atrocities. Just like the Phalangist murderers they let loose in Sabra and Shatilla, then with stunning and vicious hypocrisy washed their hands of the slaughter with the psychopath Begin slobbering about ‘Goys kill goys, and still they blame the Jews!’ The torture centre at Khiam (obliterated as evidence by the Israelis in 2006, as they killed a few UN soldiers nearby to send a message to the goyim that dared interfere in the Chosen People’s delight in ritual murder) became infamous as a centre of horror, just like all the torture centres operated inside Palestine for decades. Hezbollah’s campaign to drive out these racist fiends was heroic by any standards,just like the partisans in World War Two. The real explanation for Zionist fury against Hezbollah is that Hezbollah has punctured that favourite racist myth of the Zionists, that Israelis are some sort of ubermenschen who cannot be resisted by ‘human dust’. Hezbollah’s victories are an affront to that monstrous sense of racial supremacism that is such a hallmark of the Zionist psychopathology. As for Samir Kuntar- if he really murdered a child, he committed a savage, evil act. But he denies it, and his accusers are Zionists, ie habitual liars. And, with Israel’s record of child murder, from the children whose throats were slit by the Irgun filth at Deir Yassin to the hundreds slaughtered in Gaza, in an attack carefully planned to be launched as Saturday school children were on the streets after lessons, slaughters committed by a state where religious fanatic monsters openly preach that the murder of civilians is a ‘mitzvah’ or good deed, and that killing children is religiously sanctified if they would have grown to oppose the Jews stealing their land, your whining is possibly, in my opinion, your most cynical humbug yet.

  52. E.R. Bills said on April 30th, 2010 at 7:45am #

    jon s:

    give it a rest. it is not safe to say jews or israelis are bad, evil, monstrous; but collectively, as the nation of israel and a so-called zionist movement, their record clearly resembles and perhaps eclipses that of south africa during apartheid and there are evil monstrous things going on. the vitriol of mulga et al springs from indignance, not racism.

    anybody with half a brain knows there is no such thing as a chosen people; there’s only people and people who think they’re chosen. I’ll say it again. I am tired of desert religions. I am tired of desert messiahs. and I’m tired of desert gods. They all come from empty, barren places and it defines their faith. judaism, islam, christianity; all voids of illusory salvation.

    did I mention that “Road Rage” was not about zionism, jews or religion?

  53. rosemerry said on April 30th, 2010 at 1:34pm #

    jon s you say you are a leftist! Why are you allowed to vilify Hamas (elected by Palestinians) and crushed in a prison , refusing to give in, and Hezbollah, fighting in their own country against constant attacks from Israel? You call others antisemitic- a tired old clapped out expression now used for any cricism of the only perfect country in the whole world; Try to think of anyone but your little darlings.

  54. rosemerry said on April 30th, 2010 at 1:51pm #

    I just read a bit more of jon s; 1) both Hamas and Hezbollah were started in response to Israel’s actions (check it out) 2) Hamas was elected not because everyone supported Islamism but because it was accepted as not corrupt. Try reading some of the letters sent to Bush and Obama by elected PM ( now in Gaza) Ismael Haniyeh. Quite rational ; Many Christians and nonveiled Muslim women are accepted in Gaza. 3) Hezbollah is part of the Lebanese govt and is accepted by Said Hariri as such. Again, they are not Islamofascist in your charming phrase, but support the people; 4) Your definition of Israel as democratic is often used, but think about it . Only a certain ethnic/religious group is privileged in this democracy..

  55. jon s said on April 30th, 2010 at 2:41pm #

    Rosemerry, I’ll try to reply point-by-point (yet briefly…):
    I’m a leftist because of my belief in equality and socialism and my opposition to all forms of exploitation, racism and fascism.
    -Hamas did indeed arise during the Israeli occupation , and the corruption of the Fatah establishment certainly had a lot to do with it, no argument from me there. But that doesn’t mean that they are not terrorists. They are.
    -You were also correct in attributing the rise of the Hezbollah to Israel’s disastrous first war in Lebanon. Believe me, I was protesting in the streets. They are, however, a clerical-fascist organization, extremely brutal, with a clear genocidal agenda towards Israel, and backed by the Iranian regime. You say that they are fighting in their own country against Israeli attacks, yet Israel withdrew completely from Lebanon in 2000, and in the summer of 2006 they attacked Israel, thereby starting the second Lebanese war. That they are part of the Lebanese gov’t today is a sad reflection on the political realities there.
    -I’ve never said that all criticism of Israel is Anti-Semitic. There’s plenty to criticize in Israel’s policies and actions. But some go way beyond that, and sometimes we need to be reminded that real Anti-Semitism does lurk out there. What else would you call a reference to “delight in ritual murder”? Have you heard of the medieval blood libel?
    -I said that Israelis is basically a democracy , a flawed one, with much that should be improved. In any case – more democratic than any Arab country.

  56. E.R. Bills said on April 30th, 2010 at 2:55pm #

    so, if I write about zionism or israeli apartheid can we then talk or argue about our collapsing ecosystem?

  57. Deadbeat said on April 30th, 2010 at 4:16pm #

    E.R. Bills writes…

    so, if I write about zionism or israeli apartheid can we then talk or argue about our collapsing ecosystem?

    The answer is absolutely yes because then you’ll be recongizing how it all ties together. Zionism today is major reason for the trillon dollar wars that the U.S. is engaging. The biggest consumer of oil and destroyer of the ecosystem is the military.

    If we were confronting Zionism head on then we would be going after the raison d’etre of militarism today. In addition we’d also be confronting the FIRE sector as well because of the influence Zionist has on the overall political economy.

    The ecosystem is a problem that has to be dealt with holistically and not in isolation of racism, militarism, and capitalism.

  58. lichen said on April 30th, 2010 at 10:21pm #

    E.R, don’t let right wing antizionists censor you from talking about the environment–a subject they know nothing about. Real activists know that everyone is free to pursue their own issues–not repress them and bow down to the pathetic, deluded conspiracy theories of others, be they dogmatic marxists or antizionists.

    I will say it again, though some people are so self-centered they think everything is about them personally–both anti-zionists and zionists are pout there actively destroying the planet, both deny global warming, both count among themselves destructive right wing scum.

  59. jon s said on May 1st, 2010 at 1:13am #

    E.R. Bills, Yeah, this thread has really veered off-topic. It’s part of the obssesion with Israel and Zionism on this forum.
    For the record – it’s entirely possible to be an Israeli, even a Zionist, and also to be deeply concerned with global climate and environmental issues. After all, we all inhabit the same planet.

  60. Don Hawkins said on May 1st, 2010 at 2:37am #

    Oil Spill’s ‘Fisheries Failure’ May Signal End of Coastal Towns

    “I was gone three years, five months, 10 days and 12 hours and I came back because this is my home,” he said, with tears in his eyes. “This makes Katrina look like a birthday party.” Bloomberg

    Mr. President is it time for that people of Earth speech yet?

  61. Hue Longer said on May 1st, 2010 at 3:01am #


    Your two posts above had me laughing

    I am antizionist but get labeled here a Zinnist or Chomskyite or even a Zionist if I make your observation…Maybe if you and everyone else who comments on or contributes articles prefaces their remarks with, “Zionism is very bad and like Kevin Bacon is related to that which we speak of today” ? Could save hours of reading through redundant posts

    Your article makes a good point concerning ecocide and climate change…The anti science crowd is so brainwashed that breaching a conversation should never begin with using “climate change”-it makes their eyes do crazy spins. Best to talk about top soil, deforestation, and pollution to get them engaged–provided they aren’t Rapturists they should be able to get something to take home; Garbage Patches is a good one! When discussing evolution with them (they seem to often be the same folks) I start with unnatural selection examples like corn or dogs (though lately they seem to refer to false cross species arguments…hey! is it possible that not believing in evolution and climate change is a Zionist plot? I know I know….it’s the other way around…har!)

  62. Deadbeat said on May 1st, 2010 at 3:27am #

    Hue Longer writes …

    The anti science crowd is so brainwashed that breaching a conversation should never begin with using “climate change”

    And he accuses me of using “ad hominems” — HAHAHA :-).

    Here’s the latest from Alexander Cockburn. Clearly he is skeptical of “climate change” yet offers a lot of science to base his arguments. The point is those who are being accused of being “anti-science” sure seems to back their arguments up with a great deal of science.

    My stance is that ecology is not the most important issue facing people today. It’s racism, militarism, and capitalism and if this is not dealt with FIRST and foremost you can forget about ecology.

  63. Hue Longer said on May 1st, 2010 at 4:39am #


    You don’t understand ad hominem and Cockburn doesn’t understand science


  64. Don Hawkins said on May 1st, 2010 at 7:17am #

    I just watched CNN and the money part of the morning. It was said that this Goldman thing is well not for the little person to understand and the big players are the big boy’s and find a person you can trust when investing. Then I turned to Fox and they were talking about the new law in Arizona and said Rush Limbaugh said to just keep quiet let it be then Karl Rove said these protests are the wrong way to go, at this point I turned the TV off. Find a person you can trust to invest more like stock up on can goods for the coming years get a good pair of boot’s find people you can trust to survive and organize to fight the big boy’s that many of us know is only an illusion more like well dressed fool’s with a big time addiction. If you live on the Gulf coast again find people you can trust. The government is on the job with booms again find people you can trust anyway back to Fox New’s and watch Bull’s and Bear’s it’s Saturday they will tell me what to do and think advise of the first kind. Oh they just said the greenieact’s want to now stop the drilling, business school am sure.

  65. bozh said on May 1st, 2010 at 7:46am #

    I do accept science`s conclusion that we must limit rise of world temperature to 2 degrees celsius.
    Many scientists and others have concluded that we won`t be able to do that. I am not sure what they predict wld happen if temperatures rise above 2 degress.

    But we also overuse and overwaste; which, along warming, may lead to more catastrophic wars and oppression, loss of freedoms-joy of life-security, etc.

    Gore stands a bit left of hitler on US right to kill innocent people, yet fears rise in temperatures. It does seem that for US to be able to go on killing people for their land, US must use more than its share.
    So, there seems to be a contradiction. tnx

  66. Don Hawkins said on May 1st, 2010 at 7:50am #

    May 1 (Bloomberg) — President Barack Obama said no new offshore drilling leases will be issued until a “thorough review” of the BP Plc oil-well spill in the Gulf of Mexico determines whether more safety systems are needed.

    I know this whole business thing is for the pro’s the big boy’s but I think I get it no new offshore drilling and growth don’t mix. What do you think on the money or no cigar.

  67. Don Hawkins said on May 1st, 2010 at 7:53am #

    Bozh your last comment was very well written to say the least.