Copenhagen: The Price of the Atmosphere

The EU pledge for fighting global warming US$10 billion is 0.5% of global entertainment and media spending, 0.7% of the US military expenditure for 2008 and 1.4% of the US banks bailout.

In perspective:

US$2 trillion
: Global Entertainment & Media Spending by 2011
US$1.46 trillion: Global military expenditure at current prices for 2008, and has been rising in recent years
US$700 billion: Banks bailout
US$144 billion in 2011: Global gambling industry estimate up from the current $101.6 billion
US$210 to 665 $billion: Global cost of alcohol-related problems in 2002
US$141 billion in 2012: Global sports market


The shift in the state of the atmosphere is tracking into critical levels. An examination of the geological record indicates that, with the exception of major volcanic and asteroid impact events, which triggered mass extinctions of species, never has atmospheric CO2 risen at a rate as fast as at present: 2 parts per million/year, the earlier highest record being about 0.4 ppm/year about 55 million years ago (Zachos et al., 2008).

Early humans survived a rise of +3 degrees Celsius about 2.8 million years ago. Homo sapiens survived abrupt temperature rise of about +5 degrees C during the two last glacial terminations ~130 thousand and ~14-11 thousand years ago, in part through migration. The species H. sapiens will survive. It is less clear how civilizations, dependent on mountain snow-fed river systems which allow agricultural cultivation of river valleys and deltas, also prone to sea level rise, on extensive cultivation of marginal desert regions such as in Australia and Africa, on regular monsoons as in India and east Africa, and on coastal centers and port cities, can survive a global temperature rise of over 2 degrees C.

The mean global temperature rise of about 1.3 degrees C (0.8C + 0.5C masked by sulphur aerosols) since 1750, an order of magnitude faster than the mean temperature rise of 0.0004-0.00055 degrees C/year during the last glacial termination, is manifested by up to 3 to 4 degrees C rise over parts of the poles, triggering extensive ice melt, polar-ward migration of the climate zones by approximately 400 km southward in Australia, and sea level rise rates which rose from (1mm/year in the early 20th century to 3.7mm/year at present).

With a looming crisis, the greatest the biosphere experienced since the ejection of some 2000 billion tons of carbon as methane gas into atmosphere about 55 million years ago (Zachos et al., 2008), despite high expectations none of the non-binding targets discussed in Copenhagen gets even near what is needed if a meaningful attempt is to be made to avert runaway climate change.

With a maximum emission reduction targets of 30 percent by 2020 relative to 1990 suggested by the European Union, continuing carbon emissions on the scale of 4 or 5 billion tons/year will still raise the cumulative atmospheric CO2 budget by more than 1 ppm/year, in addition to CO2 and CH4 release from land clearing and livestock. This is quite apart from carbon cycle feedbacks and ice sheet melt albedo change feedbacks pushing temperatures upward.

According to James Hansen:

Science reveals that climate is close to tipping points. It is a dead certainty that continued high emissions will create a chaotic dynamic situation for young people, with deteriorating climate conditions out of their control. Science also reveals what is needed to stabilize atmospheric composition and climate. Geophysical data on the carbon amounts in oil, gas and coal show that the problem is solvable, if we phase out global coal emissions within 20 years and prohibit emissions from unconventional fossil fuels such as tar sands and oil shale. Such constraints on fossil fuels would cause carbon dioxide emissions to decline 60% by mid-century or even more if policies make it uneconomic to go after every last drop of oil. Improved forestry and agricultural practices could then bring atmospheric carbon dioxide back to 350 ppm (parts per million) or less, as required for a stable climate. Governments going to Copenhagen claim to have such goals for 2050, which they will achieve with the “cap-and-trade” mechanism. They are lying through their teeth. Unless they order Russia to leave its gas in the ground and Saudi Arabia to leave its oil in the ground (which nobody has proposed), they must phase out coal and prohibit unconventional fossil fuels. Instead, the United States signed an agreement with Canada for a pipeline to carry oil squeezed from tar sands. Australia is building port facilities for large increases in coal export. Coal-to-oil factories are being built. Coal-fired power plants are being constructed worldwide. Governments are stating emission goals that they know are lies – or, if we want to be generous, they do not understand the geophysics and are kidding themselves.

A massive denial campaign waged by a coalition of contrarians supported by fossil fuel interests is holding the world to ransom. These people include ex-lobbyists of tobacco companies who all as a sudden have become interested in climate science, medieval fundamentalists who regard climate change in terms of god’s will to purify the Earth, believers in human supremacy over nature, socially backward think tanks, some economists, an few engineers and ego-driven ex-professionals who appear to confuse the weather for the climate. Using some E-mails by scientists who desperately try to alert humanity to the looming climate catastrophe, the denialists tried to sabotage the UN Copenhagen conference. But the real sabotage has been perpetrated by political parties and governments which pay lip service to climate mitigation while advancing carbon reduction targets inconsistent with climate science and any meaningful attempts of defending the realm.

To prove his divine power Caligula waged war on Poseidon, God of the Sea, commanding his army to throw spears into the ocean. Lately humans, claiming mastery of nature, pour carbon into the atmosphere and acid into the oceans, changing the climate which allowed them to descend from the trees and the conditions which allowed their mammalian ancestors to flourish on the continents.

The atmosphere is not waiting for human decision.

Dr Andrew Glikson is with the Research School of Earth Science & School of Archaeology & Anthropology at Australian National University in Canberra. He can be reached at: Read other articles by Andrew.

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  1. Josie Michel-Brüning said on December 17th, 2009 at 10:52am #

    Dear Dr. Glikson, congratulation and thank you very much for these excellent explanations!

  2. Shabnam said on December 17th, 2009 at 10:55am #

    Ahmadinejad blames CAPITALISM for climate change

    Iran’s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has described capitalism and materialism as root causes for the world’s environment crisis.
    Addressing a UN sponsored climate change conference in Copenhagen, he said that the capitalism is based on interfering in nature and encouraging people to use natural resources more than they need.

    “Profit-making approach to the world resources must be avoided,” he said.
    Expressing Tehran’s support for the Kyoto protocol, the Iranian president said world leaders should spend money on cutting greenhouse gas emissions instead of allocating massive military budgets to waging wars.

    “Greenhouse gas emission has dealt a blow to the planet earth.”

    He also accused the US and its allies of preventing the use of advanced technologies by other nations.

    Ahmadinejad called on nuclear armed courtiers to focus their efforts on expanding the peaceful use of nuclear energy, instead of stockpiling nuclear arms.
    The Iranian president noted that all nations must be able to use clean and renewable energy sources including nuclear power in a bid to fight climate change.

    “All countries must gain access to new technologies to diversify their energy resources and be able to use clean and renewable energy such as wind, solar, sea tide, geothermal and nuclear energies,” he said.

    Ahmadinejad slammed Washington for thwarting Tehran’s efforts to combat climate change by opposing its nuclear program.

    “American leaders and their friends emphasize (Iran must only)continue to use fossil fuel,” adding “ They (US and its allies) resort to various coercive methods to hinder development of new technologies intended to promote the use of renewable and clean energy.”

    Ahmadinejad also called on major powers, particularly the US, to dedicate a part of their military budgets for fighting pollution in the world.
    He said Iran is ready to share the result of research and experiences on the use of clean energy with other countries.

    He is scheduled to hold talks with some foreign leaders on the sidelines of the Copenhagen climate summit.

  3. Lawrence Baker said on December 17th, 2009 at 1:01pm #

    Global Warming-IS- Human / Industrial Pollution
    As you know, scientist and science itself has been slandered with misinformation and ridiculed in advance of the talks. (A favored, repeated, and effective, right wing tactic).
    Is Global Warming related to human/ industrial pollution? The atmosphere seems to be an arbitrary subject right now because of the propaganda effort to confuse the linkage between burning of fossil fuels and its effect on the atmosphere.
    The real question is- are we going to put pandering ahead of science in addressing and acting upon human/industrial pollution now and in the future?
    The best indisputable SCIENCE example that should be a test model and the #1 item on the Copenhagen Agenda would be the toxic plastic waste dump, the size of Texas, 900 miles off of the United States and Canadian West Coast.
    That is a Big SCIENCE problem with no dedicated U.S SCIENCE and INNOVATION DEPARTMENT to address the issue. The U.S (or Canada) has not even sent out a SCIENCE research vessel to evaluate this ecological disaster; neither country wants to take the responsibility for the industrial/human pollution or even acknowledge its existence.
    No Profit-No Action!-No SCIENCE! Will the World Trade Organization and the New Industrial World Order address the issue? Where is their World SCIENCE Department? Advancement in SCIENCE would outmode the use of fossil fuels but the U.S has not funded innovative SCIENCE since 2001.
    Can the problem be solved with SCIENCE? Probably so, Americans are very ingenious primarily because we were raised with the compliments of Freedom and Democracy and are free thinking individuals. We could probably figure a way to clean up the mess and possibly make a profit doing so.
    We can do nothing until we have a funded DEPARTMENT OF SCIENCE that is free to address SCIENCE and to develop the advancement of SCIENCE. (Yes, for the sake of humanity; SCIENCE FIRST-PANDERING SECOND.)

  4. Don Hawkins said on December 17th, 2009 at 1:28pm #

    No Profit-No Action! Oh really this last little economic downturn talk about no profit and was there action? If profit is the thinking the story will not end well. A new way of thinking is needed and soon.

    “They don’t believe there is such a thing as global warming, they’re still living in the Stone Age.” Arnold

  5. Mulga Mumblebrain said on December 17th, 2009 at 1:58pm #

    An excellent article, with the right degree of righteous indignation aimed at the lying Rightwing poltroonsof denialism. This crisis is the last opportunity for humanity to recognise the innate evi lof those we euphemise as ‘Rightwingers’. These creatures have dominated human society for millenia, and their ‘values’-unbridled greed, hatred of orhers and ready and psychologically satisfying recourse to violence to gain their ends-have been forced on the rest of humanity, turning Homo sapiens into an almost wholly negative phenomenon.
    The Right has killed millions and devastated entire continents in colonial and imperial pillage, driven by insatiable greed and pitiless racist contempt for its victims. Similarly, but to a lesser extent, save when their power was challenged by revolt, they have destroyed the live, ,s or impoverished them,of their class enemies within their own societies. And the internecine wars between the Western racist imperialist powers have been the deadliest in history. Not to forget eternal misogyny.
    However the deadliest, and now, unarguably, final assault of the Right has been against Nature. The economic system fashioned by the Right to reflect their psychopathy and spiritual necrophilia, market capitalism, is an artefact that follows, precisely, the modus operandi of neoplastic disease. It raises unending, undifferentiated, growth, in search of ever expanding profit, not to the highest level, but to the only level as the raison d’etre of human existence.In so doing it has declared war on life on this planet, where sufficiency, balance and living in harmony with the whole are paramount. The end-stage of the Right’s crusade against life, against the rest of the universe that exists outside their hypertrophied egos, is upon us. If climate change does not finish us,then ocean acidification will, or species loss, or nuclear war. The decent fraction of humanity, always a majority I believe, but by nature and temperament disinclined to act with the violent viciousness of the Right, has lost. Our species has failed the basic Darwinian test of fitness -the ability, above all else, of protecting the species’ future,of ensuring our own posterity. Perverted psychology has trumped the bedrock of species survival. Greed,viciousness and arrogant stupidity have won out-quite an epitaph.

  6. Don Hawkins said on December 18th, 2009 at 4:01am #

    The President of the United States is about to speak in Copenhagen and what will he say I have no idea but whatever he say’s here’s probably what he was really saying.

    People of Earth we are in deep do do and that being said how are you all doing? Have you seen the Senate in my country on Health care a bit strange don’t you think. Did you notice how we kind of divided many people in our country was that cool or what. Well you think that was a little different just watch the climate change bill coming up in my country we are going to really have some fun with people’s minds it’s going to be so much fun just watch. I will make this speech short as I have wars to fight and yes war is peace and is ignorance strength? Oh yes it sure is just watch the climate bill and we will prove that to you in the greatest nation on Earth. Did any of you happen to watch Fox New’s because last night on the Hannity Show Bill Bennet was on then two girl’s who they call Fox New’s annalists and I have to admit was the dumbest conversation I have ever heard on climate change in my entire life but all part of the plan. For those of you who did see this that was nothing just watch these people the next few months and the proper way to divide people in a country and fill there head with pure unadulterated BS and have fun doing it. Have any of you ever tried this lying to people well try it on the person next to you just try it it’s fun. The secret is to remember you are lying as you do it makes it much better and again have fun doing it. Anyway like I said I have wars to fight and need to check on some ball scores good luck people have a good evening enjoy dinner. Oh one more thing we are all going down and going down hard it’s just better that way and heck let’s have fun doing it. USA, USA, it’s awfully quite in here maybe I should have said this in a different way I’ll talk to my writers and what’s for dinner is that coal just kidding. Thank you thank you very much.

  7. Don Hawkins said on December 18th, 2009 at 6:44am #

    New James Hansen

  8. Rose said on December 18th, 2009 at 11:12am #

    War “Pollution” Equals Millions of Deaths

    Imagine if they used the Trillions of dollars for clean energy instead of war.

  9. kalidas said on December 18th, 2009 at 11:36am #

    This just in! Breaking news!

    NASA has found proof of life on Mars!
    Pathfinder’s CD recorder was stolen..

  10. Deadbeat said on December 18th, 2009 at 2:18pm #

    I think people should read and study the emails themselves and draw their own conclusions. The proponents of “Climate Change” are too quick to label skeptics as “deniers” and to taint them as “shills”. That is an ad hominem attack designed to cut off debate and discussion.

    Here is the link to the leaked emails.

  11. Deadbeat said on December 18th, 2009 at 2:22pm #

    Ahmadinejad blames CAPITALISM for climate change

    Exactly and that is what the debate was about on the “Economy vs Ecology” thread. Apparently the “Greens” cannot face up to their contradiction of desiring a better ecology with the unwillingness to advocate for the eradication of Capitalism.

  12. Deadbeat said on December 18th, 2009 at 2:56pm #

    Alexander Cockburn on Counterpunch provide an alternative perspective on “climate change” from the one presented here.

  13. lichen said on December 18th, 2009 at 6:28pm #

    The Real Climate Scandal
    George Monbiot

    The denial industry, which has no interest in establishing the truth about global warming, insists that these emails (which concern three or four scientists and just one or two lines of evidence) destroy the entire canon of climate science.

    The contrast between the global scandal these emails have provoked and the muted response to 20 years of revelations about the propaganda planted by fossil fuel companies. I have placed on my website four case studies, each of which provides a shocking example of how the denial industry works(2).

  14. lichen said on December 18th, 2009 at 6:32pm #

    George Monbiot debates a climate denier

    It kicked off with a general discussion about Copenhagen, climate denial and, of course, the hacked emails. Plimer described the contents of the Climatic Research Unit’s emails as “the biggest scientific fraud in history.” I replied that, though I deplore some of the behaviour revealed by the emails, Ian is a fine one to talk about scientific fraud: his book is filled with fabrications. He continues to restate facts after they have been shown to be wrong. For example, he keeps maintaining that volcanoes produce more carbon dioxide than humans. The US Geological Survey (USGS) reports that human beings produce 130 times as much CO2 as volcanoes(6).

  15. Don Hawkins said on December 18th, 2009 at 7:47pm #

    I read Alexander Cockburn on counterpunch the article DB posted and it was like reading something on the Wall Street Journal. Foolishness

  16. lichen said on December 18th, 2009 at 7:55pm #

    Alexander Cockburn is always like that – he is also against gun control and hate crimes laws, in addition to being a climate change denier. He is the most mainstream, right-aligned voice on counterpunch, dragging the rest of it down because his articles are usually first-page.

  17. Don Hawkins said on December 18th, 2009 at 8:16pm #

    By “success” I refer to their successful character assassination and swift-boating. My
    interpretation of the e-mails is that some scientists probably became exasperated and frustrated
    by contrarians – which may have contributed to some questionable judgment. The way science
    works, we must make readily available the input data that we use, so that others can verify our
    analyses. Also, in my opinion, it is a mistake to be too concerned about contrarian publications –
    some bad papers will slip through the peer-review process, but overall assessments by the
    National Academies, the IPCC, and scientific organizations sort the wheat from the chaff.
    The important point is that nothing was found in the East Anglia e-mails altering the
    reality and magnitude of global warming in the instrumental record. The input data for global
    temperature analyses are widely available, on our web site and elsewhere. If those input data
    could be made to yield a significantly different global temperature change, contrarians would
    certainly have done that – but they have not. James Hansen

    interpretation of the e-mails is that some scientists probably became exasperated and frustrated
    by contrarians.

    I think James Hansen was being very nice and there is a full scale attack on these scientists by the forces of the darkside. It’s the Sun that’s warming the Earth, yes that’s part of it and here’s a nice cup of coffee and go sit over by the fireplace for a little time out.

  18. Andrew said on December 18th, 2009 at 8:28pm #

    Just as among tens of thousands of scientists there will be a few ego-driven, mercenary, vested interests-supported few who are prepared to fabricate climate data and propagate dangerous misconceptions, there will be very few genuine climate scientists who, when paniced in view of the enormous risk of runaway climate change, will make the cardinal stupidity of trying to supress the lies of the cotnrarians and even suppress anomalies in their own data.

    The ice sheets are not taking any notice of either of these human foibles, they just tcontinue to melt.

  19. Don Hawkins said on December 18th, 2009 at 9:01pm #

    Andrew very true and this full scale attack not only on scientists but anyone who tries to speak the truth on many different levels in the coming months is going to get worst. “And there was much strangeness through out the land”.

  20. Hue Longer said on December 19th, 2009 at 12:32am #

    Hey Dead Beat,

    I think evolution is a scam and I don’t understand carbon dating and it seems silly that a monkey can turn into someone as smart as us…can you give me any good links to an alternative perspective on the origin of the species?

  21. Deadbeat said on December 19th, 2009 at 2:00am #

    Sure Hue. Here’s a link that should satisfy your request. It is extremely informative and will provide you will all the pertinent information you are looking for … Please read our commenting etiquette before replying

  22. Don Hawkins said on December 19th, 2009 at 5:49am #

    The climate talks in Copenhagen as I read this morning meltdown in Copenhagen no deal Obama has lost his Presidency on Fox New’s the O’Reilly show Glenn Beck called the demonstrators in Copenhagen Communists others are saying some of the policy makers from the States who went to Copenhagen see no evil and hear no evil but speak evil and so it goes. This isn’t over yet so far it appears it is. Maybe the try at slowing climate change is over but the changes to the human race are well under way. The changes from climate change will be somewhat slow but the changes from a few for the many are well under way. I have to admit the arrogance of these so called policy makers and many we see on Wall Street is amazing to see. Again in just a few months we get to hear and see from the few that arrogance while using illusion and myth pitting one side against another and what get’s done not much. Unless we can see here in the States a new way of thinking we get to live in a very old way of thinking and we are going down and going down hard. Climate change is a hoax not that serious well 20 million years comes to mind not to mention what I see with my own eye’s and yes it’s snowing. The snow in the States well I live in the Southeast and this has been a very warm December and now that warm air is meeting the cold air snow lot’s of it. You can’t take one weather event and say it’s global warming I can. This person on counterpunch said the ice is coming back, what. The ice is melting in the Arctic as fast as an ice cube in a lobbyists drink of choice on a warm December night. Get ready as cap and trade and messages from a few are on the way. To tax carbon and return 100% of the tax back to the people will never come up like health care and the little fact that the health care companies here in the States there stock is up 20% or more such a deal and cap and trade much money to the few the very few and the messages oh those messages. What changes to us we the people from the few are on the way? Well you don’t have to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows the few get the trillions of debt and we get the shaft while the messages keep coming. Heath care doesn’t mean the end of the human race as we know it as a start climate change does. Do the few know this of course they do. No demonstrations here in the States as you will be told you are a Communist now tea party’s are ok that’s been cleared by the few. As climate change in a few years is right in our face how might that play out with the few and those messages. Order more noise generators comes to mind and there was much strangeness though out the land kind of like now.

  23. Don Hawkins said on December 19th, 2009 at 8:14am #

    A rate of acidification 100 times greater than anything that has occurred in the last 20 million years. The oceans this day on a planet called Earth.

  24. bozh said on December 19th, 2009 at 9:12am #

    It seems to me that what US ruling class fears the most is diminishment of its GNP. And US economy wld shrink if americans wld use less. Which of course wld mean less money available for military.
    With smaller or same military US cannot then achieve its dream to obtain the planet or as much as possible of it.
    It’s simpler than many think.
    In short, thinkings of a dominant power never changes: expand by any means.
    And it had not ever been easier to expand than today. For most americans the three or four wars they now wage are easy wars.
    But look at the goodies available to them after the wars end. All americans now need to do is put in charge old tyrants for each people.
    They have thus pleased uzbek, azeri, tajik warlords and they can do that in pak’n and iraq.
    Actually, in iraq US had already put in charge aghas in kurd’n and shia’n.
    Yes, US is still losing soldiers but most americans do not worry or care ab these mercenairies. tnx

  25. Don Hawkins said on December 19th, 2009 at 9:54am #

    dream to obtain the planet or as much as possible of it.

    It looks like what needs to be done on climate change will not happen. As it stands with present consumption and population grown they will need 3 more Earths a conservative estaminet. A dream to obtain a ruined Earth that is one hell of a vision.

  26. Don Hawkins said on December 19th, 2009 at 3:09pm #

    An estimated 1.8 million people attended the 2009 Inauguration, a record breaking number for any event in the nation’s capitol. Hummmm

  27. Don Hawkins said on December 19th, 2009 at 3:37pm #

    I know how about a movie with say 2 million extras and the stars the best minds we can find. The place the Capital then New York City. Am not talking no tea party no, no, no. The talking points for the best minds we can find the human race and tipping points. I still think as the Sun sets over the Capital tomorrow tomorrow it’s only a day away. After seeing this health care bill and the talking points I can only imagine cap and trade and the talking points and those messages oh those messages. It’s just a ruff draft couple of ideas trying to think outside the box. Maybe better to wait say another 5 or 10 years until we know for sure and granted the ending of the movie could change a little.

  28. Don Hawkins said on December 19th, 2009 at 4:55pm #

    Oh during the movie very sure some inside the Capital easy to know as they ware suit’s and the people following them around same except they have Alligator shoes will probably want to get in the movie. This is a bad idea as we want to do the talking it’s our movie and they get to listen to loud and clear voices. I know a radical concept and so is a 23 foot sea level rise as a start and wars and drought and flooding and forest fires and the oceans turning a little yellowish green and millions on the move to nowhere. Cap and trade I can’t wait to see this little conversation.

  29. Don Hawkins said on December 19th, 2009 at 5:36pm #

    Mr. Obama’s Copenhagen promise to cut US emissions 17 percent from 2005 levels by 2020 will rely heavily on the cap-and-trade bill currently winding its way through the Senate. But a bill that was never going to be an easy sell has become even more fraught with potential complications during recent months.

    Polls suggest that Americans have soured on Obama’s climate strategy, and the “climategate” e-mail scandal has highlighted the public’s increasing skepticism of the basic science driving some of the White House’s most aggressive policy prescriptions.

    “[Climate policy advocates including Obama] built up a narrative that, instead of bringing the public on board with dialogue and understanding, relied on emotion and authority,” writes Mr. Reynolds, who covered the summit for his blog on Instapundit, in an e-mail. “Now, the authority figures are losing authority, and the emotion is swinging the other way, as emotion generally does.”

    It is this hope, coupled with the potential economic impacts of a cap-and-trade bill (such as higher energy costs), that have Republicans hoping some moderate Senate Democrats vote against a bill next year.

    It will be “difficult to get 60 votes needed in the Senate to pass it,” Rep. James Sensenbrenner (R) of Wisconsin told Fox News. CSM

    Oh dear just on the off change climate change is real think 20 million years and moving a tad bit faster than first thought not looking to good for life on Earth so far the only place we have found that.

    This thinking will change and how long good question.

  30. bozh said on December 19th, 2009 at 6:42pm #

    Expect the same business but with diferent words. Expect more pollution and thus more global warming. That’s all sybaritic class of life ever changes: the verbiage; usually, put out as tacit and explicit ‘promises’.
    And ?all politico-sacerdotal ‘promises’, tacitly and explicitly stated, are lies.
    Let us recall that US ‘promises’ and US watches over those ‘promises’.
    Some indigenes are still waiting for the White Father’s ‘promises’ to be fulfilled.
    ?All mothers know this trick. That’s why each says, Well, i don’t know, we’ll see as response to her chidren who want s’mthing from her. Now, that’s wisdom. Each mother know’s she’s only human. So that’s even more wisdom from women!
    Politicians and priests still don’t know that they are human. Now once u know this, that’s all u need to know. Besides, novaya zemya- or new earth as it may be called in english one day- wld be balmy.
    Btw, “zemya” means earth or land in slavic. So the island may be called NewLand!
    See u there! So, as u see u and i will be OK! That’s my solemn promise to u. tnx

  31. Don Hawkins said on December 20th, 2009 at 6:39am #

    Thank’s Bozh and my promise is to keep trying as the stupidly we now see because of the little problems we all face is amazing to watch. Take a look at this.

    You see stupidly on a grand scale to make money and I guess they think that’s what people want to see. In the little town I live in it appears more and more people are starting to understand what’s coming. What Jesse Ventura is doing is the same thing we see on Fox New’s or what the Congress does in there search for the truth. The part I am trying to understand is after the problem is very clear then what? It’s going to get ugly in the next few month’s much more stupidity and strangeness. Then this summer should show us more the Earth in it’s infinite wisdom will show us that part. Still time to slow the point of no return I mean the tipping points but not with stupidity. So far many forces at play am right your wrong your wrong am right and of course a few don’t even care about that as long as they make money the almighty dollar in a big pile. The health care bill we saw how that all worked and the sane game is being played on the climate bill that will be a very very large error in the search for the truth. The next few years will not be boring and let’s see if ignorance is strength spreads through out the land even more than it is now. Tomorrow tomorrow it’s only a day away and maybe this with a few new Words.

    Well, come on Wall Street, don’t move slow,
    Why man, this is war au-go-go.
    There’s plenty good money to be made
    By supplying the Army with the tools of the trade,
    Just hope and pray that if they drop the bomb,
    They drop it on the Viet Cong. Country Joe

  32. Don Hawkins said on December 20th, 2009 at 7:59am #

    I watched about Woodstock yesterday on the History Channel and the pictures of the people who were there to see them then and now was different. They got older yes that happened the long hair was gone. Now say we could have a little get together at the Capital with the best minds on this planet and a few songs like Country Joe different words and maybe tomorrow tomorrow it’s only a day away sung by say Susan Boyle would it be different than Woodstock, oh yes it sure would. Just on the off chance the science is correct and now what we see with our own eye’s this isn’t about drugs and freedom it’s about the survive of life on this planet that’s different don’t you think. If it could happen the people that go in 30 years would they be older yes but not like the people I saw in the Woodstock movie. After Woodstock we went on with business as usually and war and more and have more. We waited to long and much change on the way even if we start today. Very tuff day’s ahead and do the so called elites we see on Wall Street, central bankers so called leaders, a few do they also know this, oh yes they sure do. It looks like make as much as you can while you can and that sir is nut’s. This time a new way of thinking is needed to stay the same so called normal is not going to happen. Easy if we try no but boring it will not be and just maybe we can take that strangeness and turn it into strength. In 30 years…………

  33. Don Hawkins said on December 20th, 2009 at 8:47am #

    Here comes the messages from the American Petroleum Institute not yes we can but just say no. I wonder what one of those commercials costs? Instead of seeing this maybe they could take that money and develop new energy new energy we already have in the known Universe. What do you think heck let’s pick somebody I know Rupert Murdoch think that’s a good idea?

  34. Don Hawkins said on December 20th, 2009 at 9:10am #

    WASHINGTON (AP) — A new Associated Press-Stanford University poll suggests Americans’ concerns about global warming haven’t changed much.

    The survey says about the same number of people say the Earth probably already is warming, slightly fewer than the percentage expressing that view a year ago.

    That’s contrary to several other recent surveys. In October, a Pew Research Center poll found a 20-percent decline from three years earlier in the number of people who said there is solid evidence the world is getting warmer.

    I knew it mind control if you say it, it is so. Who are these Pew people spreading misinformation. I looked them up and it looks like L street in DC I guess they ran out of places on K street. Somebody’s not telling the truth boy we don’t see that very often how could this have happened in America. Am going to write my congressman. Tomorrow tomorrow

  35. Don Hawkins said on December 20th, 2009 at 2:10pm #

    The study, published in the journal Nature Geoscience, found that a relatively small rise in atmospheric carbon dioxide levels was associated with substantial global warming about 4.5 million years ago during the early Pliocene.
    Coauthor Christina Ravelo, professor of ocean sciences at the University of California, Santa Cruz, said the study indicates that the sensitivity of Earth’s temperature to increases in carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is greater than has been expected on the basis of climate models that only include rapid responses.
    Carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases trap heat in the atmosphere, leading to increased atmospheric and sea-surface temperatures. Relatively rapid feedbacks include changes in atmospheric water vapor, clouds, and sea ice. These short-term changes probably set in motion long-term changes in other factors–such as the extent of continental ice sheets, vegetation cover on land, and deep ocean circulation–that lead to additional global warming, Ravelo said.
    “The implication is that these slow components of the Earth system, once they have time to change and equilibrate, may amplify the effects of small changes in the greenhouse gas composition of the atmosphere,” she said.
    The researchers used sediment cores drilled from the seafloor at six different locations around the world to reconstruct carbon dioxide levels over the past five million years. They found that during the early and middle Pliocene (3 to 5 million years ago), when average global temperatures were at least 2 to 3 degrees Celsius warmer than today, the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere was similar to today’s levels, about 30 percent higher than preindustrial levels.
    “Since there is no indication that the future will behave differently than the past, we should expect a couple of degrees of continued warming even if we held carbon dioxide concentrations at the current level,” said lead author Mark Pagani, an associate professor of geology and geophysics at Yale University. physorg

    “Since there is no indication that the future will behave differently than the past, we should expect a couple of degrees of continued warming.