The Agonies of a Tortured Palestinian Soul

I woke up this morning with an abject pain in my soul. This pain has been nagging me lately, sometimes even preoccupying my moral sensibilities, especially since Israel tightened its economic stranglehold on the Gaza Strip and commenced a bombing campaign that killed over 1000 Palestinian civilians. I am an educated man; I read the appropriate progressive magazines, so I know just how hard this genocide has been on Israeli liberals.

It has been especially difficult for Israel’s doves to reside in a state being accused by leftist fanatics and furtive anti-Semites of such a horrible thing. That’s why I always take a moment to keep the true victims of Israel’s aggression in my thoughts. It’s not only the right thing to do; it’s the civilized perspective, the type of moral reckoning that matters. Such a terrible fate as the liberal Israelis’ should be illegal. Yet so-called human rights groups, with their tendentious prejudices, continue to bombard them with facts implicating their supposedly ugly behavior.

The testimonials of my liberal protectors break my unevolved Palestinian heart. In The Nation, always impressive for its proper sensitivity, Naomi Chazan declares, “These are bleak days for progressive Israelis.” And no wonder: the horrors in Gaza are clear in Israel “where bravado and intolerance threaten to eat away at the country’s democratic core and consume its internal moral compass.” Chazan is a woman who knows not to let silly things like ethnic cleansing detract from the need to save Israel from its occasional failure to light up other nations with inspiration instead of bombs and white phosphorous.

David Grossman is even more eloquent. He points out, “We cannot pardon the Palestinians or treat them forgivingly, as if it were obvious that whenever they feel put upon, violence will always be their sole response, the one they embrace almost automatically.” It’s clear why Grossman is a leading novelist and heir to Amos Oz’s dovish brilliance: he reminds us that we cannot forget that the Palestinians merely feel put upon (it’s not only the Crescent that’s fertile). His readers will understand that surely the Palestinians are mistaken, given as we are to uncouth hyperbole and fits of irrational violence. I must admit that Grossman is correct: I frequently complain, feel angry even, when I see Israel doing something loathsome. I remind myself that I shouldn’t merely focus on images of dead Palestinian babies—their skin peeled back from petrified faces, their organs spattered onto bloody asphalt—but I should also spare sympathy for my troubled Israeli friends.

I know it must be terribly difficult supporting an ethnonationalist state that wantonly slaughters little brown civilians. I know that it is excruciating to have democratic ideals disrupted by ungrateful natives. And I know how tough it must be to witness the death of other people’s children.

In respect for troubled Israeli liberals, then, I would like to forget about the Palestinians and focus on them instead. I may be able to help them solve their dreadful quandary. I would suggest—humbly and respectfully, of course—that they emulate American liberals, who have perfected the art of dispossessing indigenous peoples while pretending to love them. There’s no need to antagonize the savages so crudely when you can displace them quietly and simultaneously appropriate all they hold sacred. Hummus was a good start. And tabbouli was a bold move, one that has been improbably successful. I know this is difficult for you to hear, but now you must quit emphasizing your own feelings and say that everything Israel does actually helps the Palestinians. It’s a great way to enhance your humanitarian credentials, without—get this—having to give up any of your entrenched authority.

In the meantime, I will continue to urge my Palestinian compatriots to do the right thing. We are not merely Israel’s enemies; we are in the way of progress, stubborn impediments to the dream of modernity. So let’s go ahead and drop this irrational emphasis of ours on freedom, dignity, self-determination, and survival, and instead start praying that Israel’s true peacemakers finally learn how to overcome the travails of their colonial privilege.

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  1. mary said on March 16th, 2009 at 1:31pm #

    Thank you Professor Salaita.

    In memory of a brave young American woman who was killed on this day 6 years ago and for whose parents there has been no justice nor for those of your countrymen. women and children she was helping.

  2. Barry99 said on March 16th, 2009 at 3:46pm #

    In Atlanta, GA today, Rachel Corrie’s cousin Beth Corrie is hosting a benefit dinner entitled: Remembering Rachel, Remembering the Children. Funds collected go to support the welfare of Palestinian children.

  3. ES said on March 16th, 2009 at 8:29pm #

    Speaking of Atlanta and appropriation, I saw a bearded hipster wearing a shirt that said “I HEART FALAFEL” the other day. Didn’t really know what to think of that. Does he heart Arabs too? Or does he just heart being trendy? Maybe he simply hearts vegetarianism. But I wondered if I should even analyze it so much. I mean, falafel can be pretty good.

  4. mary said on March 17th, 2009 at 1:39am #

    From a Viva Palestina newsletter by e-mail yesterday

    Statement from the family of Rachel Corrie
    March 16, 2009

    We thank all who continue to remember Rachel and those who, on this sixth anniversary of her stand in Gaza, renew their own commitments to human rights, justice and peace in the Middle East. The tributes and actions in her memory are a source of inspiration to us and to others.

    Friday, March 13th, we learned of the tragic injury to American activist Tristan Anderson. Tristan was shot in the head with a tear-gas canister in Ni’lin Village in the West Bank when Israeli forces attacked a demonstration opposing the construction of the annexation wall through the village’s land. On the same day, a Ni’lin resident was, also, shot in the leg with live ammunition.

    Four residents of Ni’lin have been killed in the past eight months as villagers and their supporters have courageously demonstrated against the Apartheid Wall deemed illegal by the International Court of Justice—a wall that will ultimately absorb one-quarter of the village’s remaining land. Those who have died are a ten-year-old child Ahmed Mousa, shot in the forehead with live ammunition on July 29, 2008; Yousef Amira (17) shot with rubber-coated steel bullets on July 30, 2008; Arafat Rateb Khawaje (22) and Mohammed Khawaje (20), both shot and killed with live ammunition on December 28, 2008. On this anniversary, Rachel would want us all to hold Tristan Anderson and his family and these Palestinians and their families in our thoughts and prayers, and we ask everyone to do so.

    We are writing this message from Cairo where we returned after a visit to Gaza with the Code Pink Delegation from the United States. Fifty-eight women and men successfully passed through Rafah Crossing on Saturday, March 7th to challenge the border closures and siege and to celebrate International Women’s Day with the strong and courageous women of Gaza. Rachel would be very happy that our spirited delegation made this journey.

    North to south throughout the Strip, we witnessed the sweeping destruction of neighbourhoods, municipal buildings, police stations, mosques, and schools –casualties of the Israeli military assaults in December and January. When we asked about the personal impact of the attacks on those we met, we heard repeatedly of the loss of mothers, fathers, children, cousins, and friends. The Palestinian Center for Human Rights reports 1434 Palestinian dead and over 5000 injured, among them 288 children and 121 women.

    We walked through the farming village of Khoza in the South where fifty homes were destroyed during the land invasion. A young boy scrambled through a hole in the rubble to show us the basement he and his family crouched in as a bulldozer crushed their house upon them. We heard of Rafiya who lead the frightened women and children of this neighbourhood away from threatening Israeli military bulldozers, only to be struck down and killed by an Israeli soldier’s sniper fire as she walked in the street carrying her white flag.

    Repeatedly, we were told by Palestinians, and by the internationals on the ground supporting them, that there is no ceasefire. Indeed, bomb blasts from the border area punctuated our conversations as we arrived and departed Gaza. On our last night, we sat by a fire in the moonlight in the remains of a friend’s farmyard and listened to him tell of how the Israeli military destroyed his home in 2004, and of how this second home was shattered on February 6th. This time, it was Israeli rockets from Apache helicopters that struck the house, A stand of wheat remained and rustled soothingly in the breeze as we talked, but our attention shifted quickly when F-16s streaked high across the night sky. and our friend explained that if the planes tipped to the side, they would strike.

    Everywhere, the psychological costs of the recent and ongoing attacks for all Gazans, but especially for the children, were sadly apparent. It is not only those who suffer the greatest losses that carry the scars of all that has happened. It is those, too, who witnessed from their school bodies flying in the air when police cadets were bombed across the street and those who felt and heard the terrifying blasts of missiles falling near their own homes. It is the children who each day must walk past the unexplainable and inhumane destruction that has occurred.

    In Rachel’s case, though a thorough, credible and transparent investigation was promised by the Israeli Government, after six years, the position of the U.S. Government remains that such an investigation has not taken place. In March 2008, Michele Bernier-Toff, Managing Director of the Office of Overseas Citizen Services at the Department of State wrote, “We have consistently requested that the Government of Israel conduct a full and transparent investigation into Rachel’s death. Our requests have gone unanswered or ignored.”

    Now, the attacks on all the people of Gaza and the recent one on Tristan Anderson in Ni’lin cry out for investigation and accountability. We call on President Obama, Secretary of State Clinton, and members of Congress to act with fortitude and courage to ensure that the atrocities that have occurred are addressed by the Israeli Government and through relevant international and U.S. law. We ask them to act immediately and persistently to stop the impunity enjoyed by the Israeli military, not to encourage it.

    Despite the pain, we have once again felt privileged to enter briefly into the lives of Rachel’s Palestinian friends in Gaza. We are moved by their resilience and heartened by their song, dance, and laughter amidst the tears. Rachel wrote in 2003, “I am nevertheless amazed at their strength in being able to defend such a large degree of their humanity–laughter, generosity, family time—against the incredible horror occurring in their lives…..I am also discovering a degree of strength and of the basic ability for humans to remain human in the direst of circumstances…I think the word is dignity.”

    On this sixth anniversary of Rachel’s killing, we echo her sentiments.


    Cindy and Craig Corrie
    On behalf of our family
    March 16, 2009

  5. Theophilus said on March 17th, 2009 at 9:24am #

    @ ES:

    I would wager that he likes falafel. So do I. A lot of people do. It’s delicious.

  6. mebosa ritchie said on March 17th, 2009 at 4:04pm #


    In the case of Rachel Corrie, her youthful idealism led to the advancement of evil acts by terrorist groups. She was not a heroic peace activist. To quote the Wall Street Journal editorial that appeared a day after her death: “It’s a shame that Rachel Corrie died the way she did. It’s shameful that she lived the way she did.” In the context of the increasing attacks on Israel by Hamas, Fatah, Islamic Jihad and Al-Aqsa fighters, presentation of this one-sided play- actually a crude example of agit-prop at its worst- can only inflame sentiment towards the false conclusion that the terrorists are really only freedom fighters.

    Rachel Corrie was not an innocent. She was a dedicated believer who was part of the ISM movement. She knew well the importance of propaganda. As she wrote to herself: “Set up system for media work.” Writing home, she asked that her parents when talking to the press never say things like we must end “the cycle of violence,” because it was not a “balanced conflict,” but a case of victims fighting Israeli imperialists. Think of this “before talking to reporters,” she advised them.

  7. mebosa ritchie said on March 17th, 2009 at 4:10pm #


    Two Hamas officials returning from Egypt were caught trying to cross the Gaza border Tuesday with nearly $850,000 stuffed into candy tins, an Egyptian security official said.

    Gaza’s Hamas rulers are dependent on the smuggling of cash and goods to keep their government afloat because the coastal territory has been subject to an embargo since the Islamic group took control there in June 2007.

    The two Hamas members were in Egypt with a delegation taking part in reconciliation talks with rival Palestinian factions. The talks being mediated by Egypt have so far failed to produce an agreement on the formation of a unity government that would include Hamas and the more moderate Fatah movement that it ousted from Gaza.

    In response to the Hamas takeover of Gaza, Israel and Egypt have kept the territory’s borders sealed to all but a trickle of aid and supplies, forcing Hamas to smuggle cash across the border.

    The Hamas officials stopped Tuesday were traveling in a bus carrying members of different Palestinian factions involved in the reconciliation talks.

    A search of the bus at the border turned up the tins of sweets stuffed with €454,000 and $260,000 in cash instead of candy, said an Egyptian security official. He spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media.

    Under Egyptian law, it is illegal to leave the country with more than $10,000 in cash. Authorities also confiscated two generators, a night vision scope and mobile phones, the official said.

    Hamas will be allowed to deposit the money into an account in Egypt, but likely won’t be able to access the funds from Gaza. Arab banks have generally refused to transfer money to Gaza for fear of running afoul of the United States, which considers Hamas a terrorist organization.

    The two men stopped Tuesday were not arrested and denied knowing what was in the candy tins, saying they were just told to carry the goods into Gaza by Hamas leaders in Egypt, the official said.

    There was no immediate comment from Hamas.

    In February, Hamas members were caught with suitcases containing $9 million and €2 million in cash.

  8. mary said on March 18th, 2009 at 1:25am #

    Wondered what had happened to the trolls. Nothing much since Cast Lead.

    You even managed to bring an article about the marketing of toilet paper on this site down to a crude level. Best to stick to that in future.

    mebosa ritchie said on March 4th, 2009 at 3:33pm #
    on the hole i find kleenex cottonelle softer

    corylus said on March 5th, 2009 at 10:45am #
    MR, Your gray matter is softer yet. Why not use your those decomposing brain cells to wipe? You already have SFB.

  9. mebosa ritchie said on March 18th, 2009 at 10:59am #

    hi mary,
    sorry you’ve not heard from me for a while. i’ve been a bit busy of late.
    nice to see you’re supporting gorgeous george galloway on his viva las vegas trip last week.
    it was also nice to see george topping up on his perma-tan although i thought it was a bit unfair of these nasty egyptians throwing rocks at him and abusing him.
    everyone should love george as for every pound you give to him at least 10% of it doesn’t end up in his pocket.
    and ARMANI suits do cost a huge amount of money these days
    happy days mary

  10. Barry99 said on March 18th, 2009 at 12:16pm #

    Rachel Corrie is America’s Anne Frank – only better – because Rachel was political – and she stood for justice and self-determination for all people. And she was killed defending these beliefs – killed by a people who have no business in that land.

    Quoting the WSJ is tantamount to quoting the Jerusalem Post – both are rightwing rags that only defend the powerful. And both are in the thrall of Israeli radicals – that would be the state itself.

    Quite clearly, attacks on Israel are justified as Palestine is under Israeli occupation. You might say that Israel begs for attacks, it uses them to engage sycophantic media in their cause of ethnic cleansing and expropriation.

    And needless to say, the ISM is a noble organization, and Corrie was correct in her assessment of the ‘cycle of violence.’

    And viva Hamas!

  11. mebosa ritchie said on March 18th, 2009 at 12:37pm #

    barry, as a man of principle get yourself down to gaza to help the “oppressed” . corrie may have been a useful idiot employed by ism and hamas,but at least she went to gaza.
    if you hate israel that much,go and take direct action.
    hamas always welcome useful western idiots

  12. mary said on March 18th, 2009 at 1:55pm #

    Each post is more stupid that the previous.

    Ref Armani. Blair the poodle of Bush and the ridiculously named Envoy of the Quartet (also a patron of the UK Jewish National Fund) recently had a good time in the Armani showroom. As if he can’t afford the full dollar my life. Obscene.

  13. Barry99 said on March 18th, 2009 at 2:11pm #

    Mebosa – I not only have been to Gaza – I’ve been more than once and will be going again -likely before the year is out. In fact, I’ve been all over the West Bank, Golan Heights and Izrael too, from Qiryat Shemona to Eilat. Jewish grad students are always happy to put me up! As are my good Palestinian friends in Occupied Palestine.

    And it may interest you to know that I have personally accompanied Rachel’s parents in their visits to Congresspersons in their quest to get the US to investigate her murder. Needless to say, congressional fear of the Israeli lobby is stronger than the patriotic duty to investigate. As Pat Buchanan once said; “The US Congress is Israeli Occupied Territory.”

    Viva Hamas!

  14. mebosa ritchie said on March 18th, 2009 at 2:14pm #

    re armani been to the knightsbridge shop recently. good value especially with the dollar doing so well against the pound. you should pop in yourself and get some smart gear
    ask gorgeous george for his storecard; i’m sure he’ll lend it to you
    all the best
    m—rags to riches

  15. mebosa ritchie said on March 18th, 2009 at 2:20pm #

    barry,being a jew,you should read the hamas charter which includes “destruction of all jews” you included.
    i am sure though they would look on you favourably; you may get a bullet instead of having your throat cut.

  16. joed said on March 18th, 2009 at 2:31pm #

    you people aren’t dissidents you are anti-dissidents.

  17. Barry99 said on March 18th, 2009 at 2:42pm #

    Like I said Mebosa, I’ve been to Gaza, and have been there during the Hamas Administration. Hamas has made it clear that it accepts an Israel within pre-67 borders. That’s the problem – Israel needs an enemy – and a reasonable and rational Hamas is scary for Israel. How is Israel going to continue to transfer its population to the West Bank and annex the land into Israel if: 1) the world annually asserts it favors a 2-state solution with Israel behind pre-67 borders; 2) all 22 Arab League states off full recognition of Israel behind these same lines’ 3) Fatah is practically smooching with Israel; and 4) Hamas accepts the same solutions as every one else.

    Well, there you have it – the only party that rejects peace is the perp itself – Israel. So it brainwashes its population into going to war every year and a half or so. It’s such a fake country.

  18. mebosa ritchie said on March 18th, 2009 at 2:44pm #

    A dissident, broadly defined, is a person who actively challenges an established doctrine, policy, or institution.

    what is an anti-dissident???

  19. mebosa ritchie said on March 18th, 2009 at 3:11pm #

    A senior member of Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas’ government admitted on Tuesday that none of the major Palestinian parties recognize Israel’s right to exist, so neither should Hamas have to do so in order to be part of an internationally-recognized Palestinian unity government.

    Speaking on Palestinian Authority-controlled television, former Gaza strongman and senior advisor to Abbas, Mohammed Dahlan stated:

    “I want to say for the thousandth time, in my own name and in the name of all of my fellow members of the Fatah movement: We do not demand that the Hamas movement recognize Israel. On the contrary, we demand of the Hamas movement not to recognize Israel, because the Fatah movement does not recognize Israel even today.”

    Dahlan said that only the shell of the Palestinian Authority government pretends to “recognize” Israel in order to receive international financial aid. But the parties themselves do not and are under no obligation to recognize the Jewish state.

    While the international community demands that Hamas recognize Israel if it wants to be an official party to the peace process, whether or not Abbas and his Fatah faction actually meet that requirement has long been ignored, despite officials like Dahlan repeatedly trying to make their position clear.

  20. Barry99 said on March 18th, 2009 at 3:34pm #

    Mebosa – But Israel does not recognize the right of Palestine to exist – or for that matter, Palestinians. Lieberman has just been appointed foreign secretary – this Russian wants the Pals out of ‘his’ country. One does not have to recognize a state as a pre-requisite for negotiation – the negotiation itself is de facto recognition. But there is no reason the Palestinians have to verbalize their own dispossession by their colonizers.

    I think it’s high time Israel recognized Palestine – and stopped killing just so it could be bigger. You’ve seen the numbers have you not? Or should we review them again?

  21. mebosa ritchie said on March 18th, 2009 at 3:50pm #

    for mary and barry help celebrate 100 years of tel-aviv

    New York has one, and so do the cities of Chicago, and Boston. The one in Berlin is the most popular. Running enthusiasts will be happy to know that the Tel Aviv Marathon, after being retired for 15 years, is back on track this year.

    The occasion: Tel Aviv, the first modern Hebrew city to be built, is celebrating its 100 year birthday, and participants — experienced and amateur, or those just cheering their friends on from the sidelines — will find the event a perfect way to get to know the Mediterranean city that never sleeps.

    On April 4 the run will start and end at an historic spot, the Charles Clore Garden on the beach of Tel Aviv, where the city was founded on April 11, 1909. With a 42 kilometer, 10 kilometer and a possible five kilometer run set, organizers are making sure that participants will run through some of Tel Aviv’s most important landmarks.

    Run a ring around the White City

    An annual marathon in Tiberius already takes place around the Sea of Galilee, and a half marathon finds runners sweating it out around the Dead Sea. Now, the re-inaugurated Tel Aviv Marathon, run by the company Marathon Israel, will prove to be more accessible to locals and tourists alike. Tel Aviv is a flat and long city, which offers splendid views, and a breeze from the sea.

    Sponsored by the Municipality of Tel Aviv-Jaffa and the major sports brand Adidas, Aviv Stein, a director at Marathon Israel, and a founder of the Tiberias Marathon in 1977, says he will be sitting this one out, making sure that all the complicated logistics are set for the day.

    “It will be special,” says Stein, whose last marathon was five years ago at age 50: “This is the first time a marathon in Tel Aviv starts in the south close to the ancient Port of Jaffa.” The spot, he says, is where the founders of Tel Aviv cast lots to decide how the city’s land will be divided up.

    Racing around the beach

    At 6:45am after the starting gun is fired, runners will pass through the closed streets of Rothschild Boulevard, also established in 1909, and run by Independence Hall, where Israel?s Declaration of Independence is kept. Moving through Allenby Street, runners will see Tel Aviv’s old commercial heart, before they pass through the avenues of north Tel Aviv and the city?s Central Park, Park HaYarkon.

    Runners on the full marathon — about 800 to 1,000 are expected — will head back to the finish line by way of Tel Aviv’s glorious beaches, on the road beside the Mediterranean Sea. “Everyone will have a fantastic finish line about 10 meters from the waves,” says Stein. “Their final view will be the ancient city of Jaffa.”

    This will impress some of the foreign guests: applications from marathon runners have already come in from around the world, including the United States, Ireland, Sweden, Ethiopia and Kenya.

    The first run at an annual event

    Prize payouts for winners will be $2,000, $1,500 and $1,000 in women’s and men’s categories, with other prizes for everyone who participates. Local schools will send out groups of younger runners to take part in a leg of the run.

    Because it’s the first marathon that’s been in Tel Aviv in 15 years, Stein says the city doesn’t wasn’t to push the marathon “too hard” to marathon tourists and celebrities from the US and elsewhere this year.

    Taking place on a Friday morning, police will shut down the streets to ensure that the estimated 15,000 runners — in the full and half marathon — will stay safe. A party will be waiting for the finishers at the end of the race.

    Ancient Hebrews, first marathon runners?

    The run, points out Stein, is a good opportunity for lovers of the Bible to learn about Israel’s first marathon, one that happened years before the first celebrated marathon took place on a battlefield between Marathon and Athens in Greece.

    “We can find some mention of marathons connected to the ancient Israeli people,” says Stein, referring to the Book of Samuel, where a bearer of bad news ran from the town of Rosh Ayn to Shilo, to announce that the High Priests had lost the battle against the Philistines.

    “After the Six Day War, we measured the route and it was exactly 42 km long. From the matter of fact, Israel invented the marathon race,” says Stein, half-jokingly.

    Parties and events, Tel Aviv style

    But even if you are not into biblical lore, or a running freak, and are planning to visit the White City this spring and summer, you won?t be disappointed. A plethora of events will be focused on the city’s streets. These include the all night White Nights party on May 27, where visitors will experience old-style Tel Aviv with stage coaches, tea and strudel.

    On June 17, an event called Blue will offer tribute to the city?s Eastern heritage, and on July 16, enjoy a free La Scala opera, as the opera group performs Verdi’s Requiem in an open-air theater in the park.

    The official kick-off of Tel Aviv’s months-long birthday bash will be on April 4, with celebrations continuing throughout 2009. Between operas, marathon races, White Nights, and historic tours, gallery showings and parties, Tel Aviv — the economic, cultural and academic capital of Israel — is living up to its reputation of being a city that keeps running, and one that never really sleeps.

  22. Barry99 said on March 18th, 2009 at 6:03pm #

    Tel Aviv – Founded adjacent to the ethnically cleansed Jaffa. Of course, that’s not saying much – the Jews ethnically cleansed every town and village in the country.

    And you know the Hebrews did not run any marathons – they didn’t even build their own temple.

  23. mebosa.ritchie said on March 19th, 2009 at 12:07pm #


    Rehovot doctors save Palestinian’s hand

    A 21-year-old Palestinian student’s left hand, which was accidentally amputated this week at a building site when a metal disk flew in his direction, has been successfully reattached at Kaplan Medical Center in Rehovot.

    University of Hebron student Fadel Badarin was at a nearby building site to get a lift with his father, who works in construction there.

    “Suddenly a metal disk that was meant for cutting walls flew and cut my hand off. I was terribly scared and was sure that I would be left without it,” he said in the hospital.

    He was rushed to Kaplan, where Dr. Amir Oron of the hand microsurgery department said that only his skin was still connecting the hand to his wrist.

    “He was bleeding terribly and begged for us to save it,” said Oron.

    Hand surgeons and vascular surgeons cooperated and reconnected the blood vessels, nerves, muscles, ligaments, bone and skin. Badarin will need several months of rehabilitation, but the hand will be able to function.

    “I don’t know how to thank the doctors who fought for hours to save me and succeeded,” the grateful patient said.

    Oron said Badarin’s speedy arrival after the accident had improved his chances. He added that in such cases of accidental amputation, one should put the limb in moist gauze or clean cloth, put that in a bag and put the bag on ordinary ice. The limb should not come in direct contact with the ice, he added, and dry ice should never be used. The faster the patient and the limb reach the hospital, the more likely it can be saved.

  24. jon s said on March 20th, 2009 at 8:54am #

    “Genocide”?, “ethnic cleansing”?! Nothing like a bit of rhetorical overkill…As an Israeli dove , and, as such, the target of your sarcasm -it seems to me that many of the people who respond here are seriously misinformed.

  25. Charles said on March 20th, 2009 at 1:49pm #

    Barry99, are you not aware that Tel-Aviv was founded on sand dunes many years before Jaffa saw a single Palestinian forced to leave? Or that Israel is home to 1.5 million non-ethnically cleansed Palestinians – many in the same village their grandparents are from?
    Your statements have me feeling that you are fast and loose with the facts.

  26. Barry99 said on March 20th, 2009 at 7:08pm #

    Jon – Rightward of the Communist Party, there are no doves in Israel – just various species of hawks. Yes, Palestine was ethnically cleansed of its Palestinian population between 1947 and 1949.

    Charles – Many of those 1.5 million ‘non-ethnically cleansed Palestinians’ are internally displaced – or their descendants. They come from the 400 or so villages in Israel that they are not permitted to return to. Which is to say nothing of the 700,000 Palestinians chased out of the country by the Jews. But the fact that Tel Aviv was founded on sand dunes (as is quasi-evidenced from the name itself) provides us with no information re the ethnic cleansing of ’47 – ’49.

    The facts are the facts, your feelings are your feelings.

  27. Hue Longer said on March 20th, 2009 at 8:23pm #

    mebosa ritchie said on March 18th, 2009 at 12:37pm #

    “barry, as a man of principle get yourself down to gaza to help the “oppressed” . corrie may have been a useful idiot employed by ism and hamas,but at least she went to gaza.
    if you hate israel that much,go and take direct action.
    hamas always welcome useful western idiots”


    Do you understand the fallacy present here? If you do, you are a sophist but your ad hominem is so unfortunately typical that I think you don’t understand. It doesn’t matter who says the truth, it’s still the truth and not dependent upon the one speaking. What you did serves to initiate a response from the man defending the changed subject whether it’s him or your new qualifier. It’s also well poisoning because you too have to live up to the illogical qualifier were it actually a legitimate line of reasoning as you think you’d like it to be.

    This isn’t just an opinion…it’s as true as 1+1 =2

  28. jon s said on March 21st, 2009 at 11:54am #

    Yes, I’m an Israeli dove, active for many years in the peace movement and in organizations devoted to promoting Israeli-Palestinian understanding. Who are you to deny where I stand?
    Palestine was not ethnically cleansed in 1947-49. Many Palestinians left at the time, and many of those were indeed forced out, but many also remained, and today close to 20% of the population are Israeli Arabs, with full Israeli citizenship. So what are you saying, that Israelis are incompetent ethnic-cleansers?

  29. bozh said on March 21st, 2009 at 12:15pm #

    i’d rather you be a medi- or maxi-zionist. no observer, as far as i know, is saying or averring that all palestinians have been slaughtered or expelled from palestina; i.e, their homes, villages, and towns.

    thus, it seems, you are hunting for the snark. which is the usual practise of all those who defend the first tsunami and later ones [and fruits thereof] while pushing after all these crimes for an understanding.
    well, there isn’t one available except in minds or wishfulness of the mini-, maxi-, and medi-zionists.

    there may be only a few dozens [OK!, may bea few thousands?] ‘jews’ who do not reward ashk’c criminals; i.e., they are for one state and that state wld be palestina.
    i have never recognized the ‘jewish’ [more accurate/adequate wld be “ashk’c] state. if i wld, i too wld be a criminal. tnx

  30. mebosa.ritchie said on March 21st, 2009 at 1:49pm #

    i haven’t got a clue as to what you are going on about


    Do you understand the fallacy present here? If you do, you are a sophist but your ad hominem is so unfortunately typical that I think you don’t understand. It doesn’t matter who says the truth, it’s still the truth and not dependent upon the one speaking. What you did serves to initiate a response from the man defending the changed subject whether it’s him or your new qualifier. It’s also well poisoning because you too have to live up to the illogical qualifier were it actually a legitimate line of reasoning as you think you’d like it to be.

    This isn’t just an opinion…it’s as true as 1+1 =2

  31. Hue Longer said on March 21st, 2009 at 5:53pm #


    I hear the nurse bragging about the babies she didn’t drop

  32. jon s said on March 22nd, 2009 at 11:21am #

    bozh – Sorry, you’re incoherent.
    Hue- Historical circumstances are usually complex and not clear-cut, black-or-white. There’s altogether too much hatred on this website.

  33. bozh said on March 22nd, 2009 at 12:58pm #

    jon, one more attack on a person and i’ll gladly skip your post.

  34. Sigmund Derman said on March 26th, 2009 at 1:40pm #

    Mebosa Ritchie is right on the mark. Rachel Corrie was aiding and abetting terrorism. She is no hero. Frankly, it is a lot easier to forgive the Arabs in Gaza for not realizing that they are being exploited by Islamic imperialists bent on destroying the free world (including, but hardly restricted to, Israel) than to forgive the well educated “useful idiots” (borrowing a term previously used for similarly misguided American Communists and Communist sympathsizers) for turning themselves into tools for terrorism and Islamism. In my opinion, Tristan Anderson is of the same ilk. They are at best misgued and at worst as evil as the terrorists they try to help under the guise of “peace.” For all that, I’m sorry that Ms. Corrie was killed and I am sorry that Mr. Anderson has been injured. I do not want to see anyone hurt or killed. But surely they brought it on themselves.

  35. mebosa.ritchie said on March 27th, 2009 at 3:24am #


  36. ES said on April 13th, 2009 at 9:22pm #

    Don’t worry, Theophilus. That was my attempt at a self-deprecating joke.

    But let’s get back to talking about Corrie!