Fearing a One-State Solution, Israel’s President Serves Pabulum to Washington

Whatever will happen in the future, we shall not repeat the mistakes we made in leaving Gaza.

— Shimon Peres to members of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations 2/18/09

You take my water. Burn my Olive Trees. Destroy my house. Take my job. Steal my Land. Imprison my Mother. Bomb my country. Starve us all. Humiliate us all. But I am to blame: I shot a rocket back.

— Sign carried near Hyde Park Corner during a demonstration in London on 2/15/09 by a Member of the British Parliament

Ain el Helwe Palestinian Refugee Camp, Sidon, Lebanon — Israeli President Shimon Peres has participated in shaping the policies of Israel for most of its existence. His Washington Post op-ed last week billed as “a peacepartners prod” to the Obama administration, evidences a major disconnect within the government of Israel concerning what is urgently required for that country’s increasingly unlikely long-term survival.

According to a CIA Study currently being shown to selected staff members on the US Senate Intelligence Committee and the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, Israel’s survival in its present form beyond the next 20 years is doubtful.

The Report predicts “an inexorable movement away from a two-state to a one-state solution, as the most viable model based on democratic principles of full equality that sheds the looming specter of colonial Apartheid while allowing for the return of the 1947/1948 and 1967 refugees. The latter being the precondition for sustainable peace in the region.”

To President Peres’ chagrin, the Executive Summary states that “during the next fifteen years more than two million Israelis, including some 500,000 Israeli citizens who currently hold US green cards or passports, will move to the United States. Most Israelis not in possession of these documents will receive ‘expedited waivers.’ The Report claims that, “Alongside a decline in Jewish births and a rise in Palestinian fertility, approximately 1.6 million Israelis are likely to return to their forefather’s lands in Russia and Eastern and Western Europe with scores of thousands electing to stay, depending on the nature of the transition.”

In his Washington Post piece President Peres desperately attempts to salvage a two-state solution from a one, a three- or even a four-state arrangement. He appears to realize that a two-state solution is seriously jeopardized unless Israel dramatically and quickly changes course. With the tacking to the right in Israel and the likely make up of the next government once Peres selects Livni or Netanyahu in the next few days, and given the swelling mood among the occupied in favor of another Intifada, Peres plaintively asserts to the Obama administration that “two states is the only realistic solution.”

Peres instructed the American people and their government three times in his op-ed brief for a two-state solution, and that Israel is “the land of my forefathers.” He laments that the CIA-predicted one-state solution would, “Undermine Israel’s legitimacy and the internationally recognized right to exist as a sovereign Jewish state in the land of my forefathers.”

Peres knows that his forefathers had no connection whatsoever to Palestine, as is the case with more than 95% of the Zionists who swept into the area over the past century and demolished close to 600 villages while expelling a majority of the native population. Historians have established that most arriving Jews were in fact Slavic converts to Judaism without any historical or genealogical nexus to Palestine or Hebrew tribes in the area.

Against the historical backdrop of the past century of nearly global rejection of colonialism, his claim of settled international acceptance of “Israel’s legitimacy” is a major stretch. “Legitimacy” is what the conflict continues to be about — whether a 19th Century colonial enterprise can violently uproot and massacre an indigenous population taking over a land declaring God promised it to them, as they terrorize and expel the local inhabitants. Contrary to Peres’ claim of Israel as a “legitimate State,” there is no internationally recognized right for Israel to exist on stolen land without the consent of the dispossessed. Peres assures his American benefactors that Israel’s legitimacy is based “in international law or morality.” In point of fact, both International law and morality require the right of return of those whose lands were taken and lifting the brutal occupation. Surely Peres is aware, as the CIA Report asserts, that a majority of the 192 countries which make up the membership of the United Nations would vote this evening to establish one State of Palestine if given the chance.

The Report concludes that what went wrong will be debated for many years. In essence the problem was the premise that a “chosen people” with no link or rights to a land could impose a state by force. Many Middle East observers believe that the two-state solution is essentially over, but for the packing, finger-pointing and assuredly more violence.

Increasingly repelled by Israeli crimes, the international community is moving toward the majority position of Palestinians, and is coming to believe that the realistic solution to the Middle East conflict is one state — secular, multicultural, democratic, and based on one person one vote.

Peres is loath to accept one state and claims, in promoting a two-state solution, that he has “personally witnessed the remarkable progress we have made with the Palestinian Authority in recent years.”

Does he have in mind the increasing bantustanization (what Noam Chomsky calls “unviable fragments”), the ever-snaking apartheid wall and other barriers, the illegal outposts which increased yet again last year? The blockade of and depraved slaughter in Gaza?

Or does President Peres have in mind this week’s announcement by outgoing Prime Minister Olmert that Israel has the right to keep building in large West Bank settlement blocs, including Efrat, by adding 423 acres so that 21,000 more residents can join the current 9,000, according to Efrat mayor Oded Revivi? Olmert claims its part of the annexation that will be considered in a future final peace deal with the Palestinians.

President Peres has passed nearly a lifetime devoted to undermining prospects for a viable Palestinian state and offering a wink and nod to the building of more than 430 colonies while offering lip service to the “peace process.” His “Message to the American People” fails to communicate what the Israeli and Palestinian public knows well about the real nature of the two-state option he has in mind and which he considers to be “the best resolution to this age-old conflict.” Both populations know that the two-state option that long time politician Peres has consistently run on, is the Yigal Allon Plan.

The Allon scheme to expel the Arab population from Palestine has been Peres’ electoral platform during his campaigns in 1974, 1977, 1981, 1984, and 1987 and it shaped Israel’s settlement policies from 1967-1977. Peres worked to make the Allon Plan part of the 1978 Camp David agreement and 1993 Oslo Accords.

As the American public begins to stir from its long slumber on the Question of Palestine and hopefully dramatically changes American Middle East policy, it should consider that the Peres favored “moderate” Allon Plan continues to be Israeli policy. As formulated by its author and adhered to by successive Israel governments, it contains the following “moderate” elements:

* Seeking “maximum land with minimum Arabs”

* Annexes approximately 40% of the West Bank and Gaza, taking the choicest parts

* Dispossess Palestinians from land Israel wants for Jews

After Israel’s attack in 1967, Yigal Allon presented to the cabinet a solution to the Arab problem. The Allon Plan called for annexing the following areas: “a strip of land ten to fifteen kilometers wide along the Jordan River; most of the Judean desert along the Dead Sea; and a substantial area around Greater Jerusalem, including the Latrun salient.” The plan was crafted to include as few Arabs as possible in the area claimed for Israel and included building permanent colonies and army bases in these areas.

The two-state solution that Peres is trying to sell the American public and administration is a Palestinian “state” in 76.6% of the West Bank, carved up into sealed enclaves, with the largest of the 430 plus settlements/colonies remaining in place under Israeli sovereignty. Israel would take another 13.3% outright and continue to occupy the remaining 10.1% for a period of up to thirty years. During this period Israel would continue building new and expanding current settlement/colonies. The above percentages do not include the subtracted East Jerusalem and the territorial waters of the Dead Sea. In point of fact the 76% offer is based not on 100% of the occupied territories, but merely those parts that Israel was willing to discuss. Consequently, the “just and moral solution” President Peres favors would amount to slightly less than 16% of historic Palestine being given to those driven from their homes and land.

Peres claims Israel has worked tirelessly for peace. Yet the record is clear that Israel has only worked tirelessly for expansion at the expense of the indigenous Arab population while obstructing more than two-dozen “peace initiatives” over six decades, while targeting the Palestinian people, culture, and economy.

Peres claims in his op-ed that Libyan leader Muammar Qadaffi agrees that Israel deserves Palestine and that “this is salient in his fundamental and central premise that the Jewish people want and deserve their homeland.” Peres takes Qadaffi’s words out of context and misrepresents his thesis, which in fact calls for one state shared by both peoples. Qadaffi insists that the Middle East welcomes Judaism but not racist Zionism. It is the latter which underpins the founding of Israel and which has led to history’s condemnation.

As the President of Israel seeks yet more indulgence and largesse from the American taxpayers and the Obama administration, there is something he can do to shore up waning trust and waxing disillusionment with the two-state option. He can announce immediately that he fully accepts UN Security Council Resolution 242 and advocates the removal of all settlements and the total withdrawal of the Israeli military from the West Bank and Gaza.

Israel’s President urges the American people and government to, “commit our most concerted effort to allow two states to flourish.” Unless he and his fellow leaders of Israel are prepared, without further delay, to commit to a complete withdrawal to the June 4, 1967 armistice line, in a serious effort at peace, Israel will continue to lose American and international support and one state is the likely future for Palestine.

Israeli President Peres can avert his eyes from reality, but the Obama administration and the American people cannot afford this fatal delusion.

Franklin Lamb is author of the recently released book Syria’s Endangered Heritage: An International Responsibility to Preserve and Protect. He is currently based in Beirut and Damascus and reachable at fplamb@gmail.com. Read other articles by Franklin.

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  1. janmarie said on February 19th, 2009 at 11:49am #

    For years no one questioned the ‘two state solution”. Now it’s seen for what it is…code for racism, discrimination and a form of apartheid.

  2. Paul Meyer said on February 19th, 2009 at 11:52am #

    Those of us who have watched with horror what Israel has become can only rejoice, however early!! The racist, apartheid state (for Jews only!) needs to “disappear from the pages of history”, but observers have wondered how that will come about. Now, rational emigration and population increase make it all the more probable, along with a growing awareness among the community of nations that it is a boil which must be lanced–hopefully with all residents choosing a peaceful conclusion to the process. Perhaps Martin Luther King Jr. was correct–that the Arc of History is long, but bends toward Justice!!

  3. Barry said on February 19th, 2009 at 3:08pm #

    Don’t count on demographics. White South Africans maintained an Apartheid rule in that country even though they were but 10% or so of the total population.

    It is true however, that Israeli Jews are getting increasingly less nationalistic as the years go by. Those who can afford to establish residency elsewhere do so. Israel has always depended on Jews to identify with the state to an extent probably not found in any other Western country – the current right-wing fanaticism may just be an indication of desperation as more and more Israelis shrug and pack their bags for greener pastures.

  4. Gideon said on February 19th, 2009 at 3:52pm #

    “indigenous Arabs” – What is this Amazonas? Arab Immigration to Palestine since 1900 by the numbers.

    Mr. Lamb
    It looks like you can’t make up your mind: one state or Israel withdrawal to the June 4, 1967 armistice line?
    Palestinian Arabs rejected partition 1947 UN 181 resolution then, why of a sudden they would accept it now?

    Three state solution
    But three state solution? If it works better for the Palestinian Arabs …
    They have not been complaining at all about it from 1948 to 1967.

    CIA opinion
    We all know how everybody on Dissident Voice respects CIA opinion!
    Now that YOU presented us with their point of view regarding the Arab – Israeli conflict, we ALL will respect them even more.

    “maximum land with minimum Arabs”
    over 80% of land in Palestine was indeed public land: land without Arabs, Jews or Palestinians – uninhabited land without people. This a perfect place to BUILD something!

    Sign – powerful, no doubt, so much emotion
    When Palestinians develop a leadership, that in addition to emotion will offer their people – prosperity, peace, health, education, etc then maybe Palestinian state may become a reality.

    “my water” – water is very important commodity in the desert. It’s “mine” just as it is “yours”.

    “take my job” – Today, Gaza should focus on developing its own jobs. No Israeli want to employ a man who wants to kill them in the work place. Palestinian Jews never competed for an Palestinian Arab job. Actually Palestinian Arabs were employed by Zionists in new settlements. Economic development of Palestine created jobs and drove Arab migration to Palestine.

  5. Walter Pistor said on February 19th, 2009 at 4:07pm #

    For me, the most interesting statement in Dr. Lamb’s article was: “Peres knows that his forefathers had no connection whatsoever to Palestine, as is the case with more than 95% of the Zionists who swept into the area over the past century and demolished close to 600 villages while expelling a majority of the native population. Historians have established that most arriving Jews were in fact Slavic converts to Judaism without any historical or genealogical nexus to Palestine or Hebrew tribes in the area.”

    I think Israelis will not accept a “viable” Palestinian state which could threaten Israel, so I do not see the reality in a “two-state solution.” I also don’t Israelis will allow a one-state solution with one vote per person. The favored choice for Israelis is more of the same with total control over the West Bank and Gaza. However, I don’t think Muslims and Arabs will allow this status quo to remain beyond 2009. Probably a new coalition involving Saudi Arabia, Iran, Russia, etc. will emerge if there are no positive results for Palestinians. Then the problem for Israel and the U.S. will be much greater.

  6. bozh said on February 19th, 2009 at 4:28pm #

    obviously gideon’s dad or mom or both were high ranking zionists. and they told him everything he ‘knows’ about palestinian people.
    zionists knew that palestine had not been inhabited at all.
    only a few beduins ventured to the retched land.
    even j’lem was a ghost city except for half a dozen rabbis.
    so, why not take the empty land!? which is by now overfull and
    ‘jews’ being kind people have no heart to expell the occupiers of once an empty land.
    it’s a puzzle why anyone then wld want such a tiny plot; without rivers lakes, forest, game, minerals and with such horrible people to live with.
    a people that doesn’t work for a living; gets hand outs; is without education, mercy, understanding, etc.
    what a country! yahweh must really hate the ‘jews’ thnx

  7. Barry said on February 19th, 2009 at 4:56pm #

    Gideon – By public land, it means the Palestinian public. The Zionists were not the public – they were colonizers.

    And you have no hard figures on Arab in-migration. Arabs moved in and out with the crop season as they always had. The DNA however, shows that Arabian peninsula genetics probably accounts for no more than 10% of Palestinian genes. Palestinians are overwhelmingly the very people who have lived in that region for eternity. They have no Slavic genes.

  8. Shabnam said on February 19th, 2009 at 5:09pm #

    Why people are engaged themselves with rabid ZIONISTs?!!! They are here to waste your energy in futile ‘discussion.’ You cannot reason with them since their belief system has been shaped more than fifty years ago.

  9. Gideon said on February 19th, 2009 at 5:15pm #

    Public land means nobody is evicted. It was empty because nothing grows there.

    The public in 1947 entitled to public land was 2/3 Arabs – 1/3 Jews.
    As already demonstrated, excluding Negev, Arabs were OVER-allocated 2.2 mullion dunam beyond their relative percentage of population, while Jews got the land they already purchased.

    Arab migration to Palestine – part of the story as of 1905
    Ottoman registration data for 1905 populations of Jerusalem and Hebron kazas (Ottoman districts), by place of birth, showed that of those Arab Palestinians born outside their localities of residence, approximately half (50%) represented intra-Palestine movement—from areas of low-level economic activity to areas of higher-level activity—while the other HALF represented Arab immigration into Palestine itself, originating in:
    Asia 43%
    Africa 39%
    Turkey 20%

    What about them apples?

  10. kalidas said on February 19th, 2009 at 5:17pm #

    Perhaps the Israelis should bottle the drool dripping from their mouths as the salivate over the ever so hard to steal Litani River water.
    I, for one, believe they COVET beyond all else.

  11. Gideon said on February 19th, 2009 at 5:40pm #

    One state for Jews – Israel, 23 states for Arabs ..
    1/3 of Israel’s drinking water is desalinated from Mediterranean

    2005 ASHKELON, Israel — the world’s largest, most technologically advanced and economical water desalination plant. Plant produces 100 million cubic feet of water a year from water drawn from the Mediterranean Sea.

    kalidas – pleaaase, pay attention to REALITY!

  12. Barry said on February 19th, 2009 at 7:32pm #

    Gideon – You forget that the Zionist presence in Palestine was illegal. Palestinians never recognized their occupation by Britain and so any claim to Palestinian public lands is null and void. With regard to land purchases, dubious as they were, Jews were entitled to 6.7% of Palestine.

    You can’t exclude the Negev, that too is Palestine and insisted upon by the Zionists.

    Them apples are bruised. Ottomans were notoriously bad at counting and Palestinians (and other subjects) were notoriously good at evading being counted for fear of being taxed or conscripted, so those figures are specious. Besides, you present figures for Hebron and Jerusalem only. And don’t say you got them from Joan Peters, because then you know they are fraudulent. Bottom line is that there has been a Palestinian presence since the Neolithic. And a Jewish presence since – well OK, Taverya had Jews all along – but the rest left for greener pastures – so a Jewish presence since the late 19th century. Pretty much just the other day.

  13. Barry said on February 19th, 2009 at 7:40pm #

    Gideon – Israel cannot afford a desalination plant – that comes out of US welfare.

    40% of Israel’s water comes from the Tananim aquifer under the West Bank. That’s a big reason Israel puts settlers and walls in particular places in the WB – facts on the ground. Fully 85% of West Bank water is stolen for Israeli usage.

    One state for Palestinians – Palestine. One state for Jews – the US (where they all wanted to go in the first place.)

  14. Gideon said on February 19th, 2009 at 9:53pm #

    Any yahoo, excluding Jews, that passed by 1888-1947 is considered Palestinian? Birth of Virtual Arab Palestinian.

    Let me see if I read correctly your position:
    1. Ottoman Empire clerks did not know how count.
    2. Arabs in Palestine evaded being counted, not to pay taxes.
    3. You do not have a clue about how many Arabs and when they immigrated to Palestine.
    4. Arabs in Palestine did not own any land, to avoid paying taxes

    Yet , these virtual Arabs lived in Palestine and had a claim on unsettled public land? These are your “true” Palestinians?

    And you wonder why nobody takes this Palestinian Arab story seriously?

    Barry, this is the best entertainment you offered, EVER!

  15. bill rowe said on February 19th, 2009 at 10:01pm #

    Israel is an apartheid state based on ethnic cleansing of indigenous peoples. A Jewish state of Israel has no right to exist. If Americans ever wake up apartheid Israel is toast.It cannot come too soon. Justice will eventually prevail.

  16. Gideon said on February 19th, 2009 at 10:57pm #

    Israel is the jewel of the Middle East. Arabs can learn, and learn and learn and learn from Israel.

    Arab world can improve the lives of their peoples by following Israel’s example.
    Of course then the leadership will have to be accountable for the quality of life of Arab poeples, rather than scaring then with the “boogy man”.

  17. Gideon said on February 19th, 2009 at 11:37pm #

    Israel is the beacon of Democracy in the Middle East. Salim Jubran – Supreme Court Judge – an Arab Israeli.

  18. Gideon said on February 19th, 2009 at 11:47pm #

    Israel offers freedom of Religion and access to Holly places for all Religions.

    Yet Jews are not allowed to pray on the Temple Mount, even so Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.

  19. mary said on February 20th, 2009 at 1:17am #

    I think that Gideon is on automatic pilot now. The question is where and when will he ditch. He might even be an avatar.

  20. mebosa ritchie said on February 20th, 2009 at 3:33am #



    Jewish state of Israel has no right to exist.
    Perhaps the Israelis should bottle the drool dripping

  21. bozh said on February 20th, 2009 at 8:56am #

    mizrahim and sephardim, the two shemitic peoples, may remain in palestine because they may be deemed innocent having been deluded by ashk’m, and christians.

    but ashk’m have much disdain for all shemites and about 90% of them do not live in israel.
    some of which may tire of israel and its lamentations. no people can for ever keep on killing, torturing, imprisoning, land stealing, etc., and receive accolades for it.

    even a mere look reveals that ashk’m are nonshemitic; i.e., descendants of shem.
    more and more ashk’m speak out against israelis crimes and push for one state solution.
    so, mebosa is correct, jews will remain in canaan after first comming to it some 3,200 yrs ago.
    perhaps only 1o% of the ashk’c peoples are now for onestate solution.
    it’s a wave now but in decades to come it may become a tsunami .thnx

  22. bozh said on February 20th, 2009 at 10:38am #

    FOR BALKAS, you say.
    i am not sure if you’re ashk’c. it seems you hate the jews that much by demanding they stay in a region that never belonged to ashk’m and which is populated mostly by hated hamitic-shemitic peoples.

    and in such a tiny, impoverished land? i do not wish such a fate for no people. come to saskatchevan. canadian govt’s love you. test them. ask for all, much, or half of beautiful saskatchevan where you wldn’t be surrounded by eternal enemies.

    and if amers, canadians love you so much, why don’t they establish a homeland for pals in saskatchevan or kansas? and then you cld live in peace in yishrael?
    what do you think a canadian gov’t wld say to that?

  23. Suthiano said on February 20th, 2009 at 11:40am #


    Ashkenazi have disregarded Sask in favour of Manitoba… From there the
    Aspers control most of Canada’s media.

    In response to the Balfour Declaration of 1917, Lord Montague (“Jewish”) wrote the following:

    I lay down with emphasis four principles:

    1. I assert that there is not a Jewish nation. The members of my
    family, for instance, who have been in this country for
    generations, have no sort or kind of community of view or of
    desire with any Jewish family in any other country beyond the fact
    that they profess to a greater or less degree the same religion.
    It is no more true to say that a Jewish Englishman and a Jewish
    Moor are of the same nation than it is to say that a Christian
    Englishman and a Christian Frenchman are of the same nation: of
    the same race, perhaps, traced back through the centuries –
    through centuries of the history of a peculiarly adaptable race.
    The Prime Minister and M. Briand are, I suppose, related through
    the ages, one as a Welshman and the other as a Breton, but they
    certainly do not belong to the same nation.

    2. When the Jews are told that Palestine is their national home,
    every country will immediately desire to get rid of its Jewish
    citizens, and you will find a population in Palestine driving out
    its present inhabitants, taking all the best in the country, drawn
    from all quarters of the globe, speaking every language on the
    face of the earth, and incapable of communicating with one another
    except by means of an interpreter. I have always understood that
    this was the consequence of the building of the Tower of Babel, if
    ever it was built, and I certainly do not dissent from the view,
    commonly held, as I have always understood, by the Jews before
    Zionism was invented, that to bring the Jews back to form a nation
    in the country from which they were dispersed would require Divine
    leadership. I have never heard it suggested, even by their most
    fervent admirers, that either Mr. Balfour or Lord Rothschild would
    prove to be the Messiah.

    I claim that the lives that British Jews have led, that the aims
    that they have had before them, that the part that they have
    played in our public life and our public institutions, have
    entitled them to be regarded, not as British Jews, but as Jewish
    Britons. I would willingly disfranchise every Zionist. I would be
    almost tempted to proscribe the Zionist organisation as illegal
    and against the national interest. But I would ask of a British
    Government sufficient tolerance to refuse a conclusion which makes
    aliens and foreigners by implication, if not at once by law, of
    all their Jewish fellow-citizens.

    3. I deny that Palestine is to-day associated with the Jews or
    properly to be regarded as a fit place for them to live in. The
    Ten Commandments were delivered to the Jews on Sinai. It is quite
    true that Palestine plays a large part in Jewish history, but so
    it does in modern Mahommendan history, and, after the time of the
    Jews, surely it plays a larger part than any other country in
    Christian history. The Temple may have been in Palestine, but so
    was the Sermon on the Mount and the Crucifixion. I would not deny
    to Jews in Palestine equal rights to colonisation with those who
    profess other religions, but a religious test of citizenship seems
    to me to be the only admitted by those who take a bigoted and
    narrow view of one particular epoch of the history of Palestine,
    and claim for the Jews a position to which they are not entitled.

    If my memory serves me right, there are three times as many Jews
    in the world as could possible get into Palestine if you drove out
    all the population that remains there now. So that only one-third
    will get back at the most, and what will happen to the remainder?

    4. I can easily understand the editors of the Morning Post and of the
    New Witness being Zionists, and I am not in the least surprised
    that the non-Jews of England may welcome this policy. I have
    always recognised the unpopularity, much greater than some people
    think, of my community. We have obtained a far greater share of
    this country’s goods and opportunities than we are numerically
    entitled to. We reach on the whole maturity earlier, and therefore
    with people of our own age we compete unfairly. Many of us have
    been exclusive in our friendships and intolerant in our attitude,
    and I can easily understand that many a non-Jew in England wants
    to get rid of us. But just as there is no community of thought and
    mode of life among Christian Englishmen, so there is not among
    Jewish Englishmen. More and more we are educated in public schools
    and at the Universities, and take our part in the politics, in the
    Army, in the Civil Service, of our country. And I am glad to think
    that the prejudices against inter-marriage are breaking down. But
    when the Jew has a national home, surely it follows that the
    impetus to deprive us of the rights of British citizenship must be
    enormously increased. Palestine will become the world’s Ghetto.
    Why should the Russian give the Jew equal rights? His national
    home is Palestine. Why does Lord Rothschild attach so much
    importance to the difference between British and foreign Jews? All
    Jews will be foreign Jews, inhabitants of the great country of

    I do not know how the fortunate third will be chosen, but the Jew
    will have the choice, whatever country he belongs to, whatever
    country he loves, whatever country he regards himself as an
    integral part of, between going to live with people who are
    foreigners to him, but to whom his Christian fellow-countrymen
    have told him he shall belong, and of remaining as an unwelcome
    guest in the country that he thought he belonged to.

  24. Barry said on February 20th, 2009 at 1:00pm #

    Gideon – Ottomans did not do censuses. So you are pretty much admitting your figures are fraudulent.

    Yes, freedom of religion, but only to practice it. Don’t think about political power unless you are Jewish – in which case you don’t even have to practice it.

    And by the way – there is no freedom from religion. One has to marry through the religious courts. That’s how they keep Jews from out-marrying.

    And you know I’m right about Israel stealing water from Palestinian aquifer. And I’m right about the genetics.

  25. bozh said on February 20th, 2009 at 1:28pm #

    thnx for the statements by lord montague. i’ve never heard of him but the man had a very good grasp of events. thnx

  26. jz said on February 20th, 2009 at 3:58pm #

    Gideon, I love you man. You can tell your getting to them. All these Anti-Semites fester like cockraoches and when you shine the light on them they hate it. Keep up the great work although you are messing my plans up to lose weight cause whenver I read these losers it makes me lose my appetite.

  27. Jacob said on February 20th, 2009 at 11:38pm #

    Barry you seem to think you are right about just about everything. Thanks for your “wisdom” and “shining light upon our darkness”.

    But you seem mistaken about the concept of religious marriage in Israel. Are you Jewish and want to get married? Go to a Jewish religious court. Muslim? Hello Mosque! Christian? Where’s that padre? Don’t confuse the civil marriage (marriage licenses are all recognized, even some whacky ones for fringe religions) with the religious marriage however.

    Just remember, according to Catholics you’re going to burn in hell anyway, not matter what you do or don’t. Ain’t religion fun?!

  28. mary said on February 21st, 2009 at 12:20am #

    Cockroaches seem to be a recurring theme in the Zionist mindset. Wonder why cockroaches?

    “WHEN WE HAVE settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle.”—Rafael Eitan, April 14, 1983

    “We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel…Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours.”—Rafael Eitan, April 13, 1983


  29. Barry said on February 21st, 2009 at 7:43am #

    Jacob – You missed a major point which I thought was implicit. Marriage is not about ‘you’ – it’s about ‘us’. The religious courts deter Jews from marrying Muslims – or for that matter Muslims marrying Christians. A major purpose of the religious courts is to curtail outmarriage of Jews.

    With regard to “wisdom” and “shining light upon our darkness,” those quotes don’t come from me.

    According to official Roman Catholicism, if you confess your sins – and mean it, you will go to heaven.

    Mary – There appears to be some evolution going on among either Palestinians or cockroaches. By the time of the second quote, Eitan has Palestinians crawling on all fours, a definite improvement over a cockroaches ‘all eights.’ Now if he can just get the Palestinians walking up-right.

  30. Ron Davidson said on February 22nd, 2009 at 12:00am #

    I am probably wrong again but from the quality of most of the discussion above and other signs from the citizens (not yet the governments sadly) of many countries demonstrating in favor of self determinination for the Palestinian people , post Gaza, I feel history is finally moving to correct the injustice of Palestine…
    …….on the other hand maybe I should just get up from the couch, go get another beer from the fridge, tune in Fox TV and take a nap……….

  31. Kay said on February 22nd, 2009 at 2:34pm #

    I am not a Palestinian Arab but I agree with a lot of the sentiments. I don’t agree on any country being built on a religion, where people of a particualr religion have a ‘right’ to athe land although I can sympathesis with pogrum-weary, holocaust-battered Jews wanting somewhere to call their own. It is one thing to have a state religion but another altogether to have a religion as the raison d’etre for a state that then punishes people for not being of that religion. The irony is that it is the Palestinian Christians who are losing out in all of this – they hardly ever rate a mention. My understanding is that prior to 1948, Jews, Christians and Muslims all lived in Palestine respecting eachother’s customs and rituals. Now we have hate, bloodshed, settlement expansion outside even the wishes of USA. Creating fear, separateness and distrust is not an efficent method of nation building andthe two state solution is being ever diminished. I think the One State solution has a lot going for it – and perhaps India and Pakistan should have a look at doing things differently as well – again, mandated religion breeding bloodshed and bitterness. This is tribalism and isn’t what religion should be about!

  32. Barry said on February 23rd, 2009 at 7:24pm #

    Kay – The reality is that it is not about religion. The founding fathers of Zionism were all secular Western Europeans, likely atheists. The notion of a ‘return to Zion’ was understood as a viable marketing tool, not the real reason for pushing for a Jewish state in Palestine – the real reason being that continued European anti-Semitism presented an opportunity to gain a new land for Jews – and have it sponsored by a European power. But religion was not the impetus for the movement.

    Today, most Jews in Israel are secular. They pay attention to religious practices largely as cultural artifacts, not because of any deep held belief. Non-Jews are punished for not being of the dominant race/ethnicity, not because they have a different religion. In fact, the Israeli state cares not a with whether an Arab is religiously observant or not. It’s the fact of not being a Jew that matters.

    But you are right that Muslims, Christians and Jews did get along better in the old days – more or less, with that pendulums swinging a bit over time. But then again, those Jews were not Zionists – they did not come to replace the natives.

    I don’t think a one-state solution is viable. There is far too much hatred on the part of Israeli Jews, and anger on the part of Palestinians. After all, we see how Israel treats its Palestinian citizen population – it wants to evict them! Maybe 200 years down the road, kum-ba-ya may come into focus but for now I’d like to see a Palestinian state in all of what remains of Palestine.

  33. asdf said on March 8th, 2009 at 10:02pm #

    The US needs to stop sending billions of American Tax money and billions worth of weapons to Israel.

    The only solution to solve the problem is the middle east is to stop supporting the racist Zionist. Of course Israel will keep bombing Palestine. Of course they will blame it on Hamas.. “By way of deception”.

    The problem is the Racist Zionists. It’s that simple.

    Rabbi speaking the truth about Israel:

  34. sam said on March 13th, 2009 at 11:52pm #

    i have this to remind the theives the zionest who lost their compass who are good at lies and lies and lies, till hitler believed them and did the same , so what happened to hitler will happen to the zionest leaders, the poor Jew the real sephedeem who will pay the price, and those who has been decieved too , the European Jew opps, the Aisain Jew opps, the real warmongor war lord Khazrs, these r the criminals who changed their skin where ever they land, I remind them of their history, its full of crime, if u want to hit any zionest just remind him of his past, he will hate that, he always like to talk about the future, how do u want a theive to tell u about his theft and how he executed it, how u want him to return the stolen things , if he does he will be left with nothing, so do u want the zionest to speak of their past?
    most of u read this, It expalin it all for the palestinian:
    You take my water. Burn my Olive Trees. Destroy my house. Take my job. Steal my Land. Imprison my Mother. Bomb my country. Starve us all. Humiliate us all. But I am to blame: I shot a rocket back

  35. jesusthepalestinian said on March 17th, 2009 at 12:25pm #

    Most if (NOT all) Europeans Jews today have NO links to ancient Hebrews let alone the Israelites(Arab Palestinians’ Forefathers).

    •As for Mizrahim.Most of Mizrahi Jews(with exception to Arab Jews)are genetically LINK to NON-Semitic Middle Eastern people like Iranians, Kurds, and Turks(NOTHING WRONG WITH THEM)But NOT RELATED or NO LINK with Semitic Arabs.

    •And most if Not all of North Africans Jews are either Barber or SPANISH Sephardim descends
    •Judaism or Jewishness is a Religion and a way of life,NOT ETHNICITY OR RACE. The ethnic Race of People were the ISRAELITES(genetically blood descendants/seeds of man named Jacob/Israel), and JACOB/ISRAEL is the blood father of today palestinians)

    •The Irony is Most Jews Do NOT even SHARE the same DNA between themselves, rather they share it with the Local people whom they Lived with, a STRONG Indication which Confirm again that Judaism is a Religion NOT Race

    •Two options are available for those goyim reptilian jews shape shifters:-

    1.EITHER Goyim Jews must live with us the Native indigenous ARAB Palestinians[Genetically proven to be blood descendants of Ancient Hebrews],and share the home-land with us in JUSTICE, EQUALITY and PEACE ……[i.e ACCEPT THE ONE STATE SOLOUTION THAT IS TO BE SHARED BY ALL OF US].

    2.OR leave our own home land PALESTINE and go to HELL, and never attempt to come back again

    Apartheid ethno-cratic Israel that has been built on foundation of Zionism , a racist ideology and value that is similar to that of NAZI Germany and Apartheid South Africa ..MUST BE PUT TO END..OKAY?

    So to all Mankind say all together:-

    ????? ????????

    Death to Israel

    Mort à Israël

    Muerte a Israel


    ?????? ???????

    Morte a Israel


    Morte a Israele

    ??????? ?? ???

    ???? ??????

    Tod Israel

    Dood aan Israël

  36. jesusthepalestinian said on March 18th, 2009 at 7:38am #

    Goyim Jews go back to Europe to where U belong

    If those GOYIM Europeans Jews(Ashke-NAZI or SPANISH Sephardim) are “SEMITIC HEBREWS”,then “ARAB” like me MUST be German,since I or(we Arabs)genetically DO NOT SHARE any DNA heritage with those GOYIM EUROPEAN JEWS.We are genetically proven NOT to be related.

    •Most if (NOT all) Europeans Jews today have NO links to ancient Hebrews let alone the Israelites(Arab Palestinians’ Forefathers).

    •As for Mizrahim.Most of Mizrahi Jews(with exception to Arab Jews)are genetically LINK to NON-Semitic Middle Eastern people like Iranians, Kurds, and Turks(NOTHING WRONG WITH THEM)But NOT RELATED or NO LINK with Semitic Arabs.

    •And most if Not all of North Africans Jews are either Barber or SPANISH Sephardim descends
    •Judaism or Jewishness is a Religion and a way of life,NOT ETHNICITY OR RACE. The ethnic Race of People were the ISRAELITES(genetically blood descendants/seeds of man named Jacob/Israel), and JACOB/ISRAEL is the blood father of today palestinians)

    •The Irony is Most Jews Do NOT even SHARE the same DNA between themselves, rather they share it with the Local people whom they Lived with, a STRONG Indication which Confirm again that Judaism is a Religion NOT Race

    •Two options are available for those goyim reptilian jews shape shifters:-

    1.EITHER Goyim Jews must live with us the Native indigenous ARAB Palestinians[Genetically proven to be blood descendants of Ancient Hebrews],and share the home-land with us in JUSTICE, EQUALITY and PEACE ……[i.e ACCEPT THE ONE STATE SOLOUTION THAT IS TO BE SHARED BY ALL OF US].

    2.OR leave our own home land PALESTINE and go to HELL, and never attempt to come back again

    Apartheid ethno-cratic Israel that has been built on foundation of Zionism , a racist ideology and value that is similar to that of NAZI Germany and Apartheid South Africa ..MUST BE PUT TO END..OKAY?

    So to all Mankind say all together:-

    ????? ????????

    Death to Israel

    Mort à Israël

    Muerte a Israel


    ?????? ???????

    Morte a Israel


    Morte a Israele

    ??????? ?? ???

    ???? ??????

    Tod Israel

    Dood aan Israël

  37. bozh said on March 18th, 2009 at 10:41am #

    jesus+, you’re right.
    that is why i avoid labels like “zionism” or “zionists”. these labels represent a fictitious reality; i try to totally avoid their use.
    i use the label land robbers;tho, armed with a cult and imperialistic ideology; consistings of ideas such as supremacism, greed, lust, anger, hatred, intolerance, etc.

    so, as land robbers/imperialists, they differ only to a degree from british, italian, chinese, french, german, russian, indian, pakistani, iraqi, turkish, serb, belgian, dutch, spanish, portugese, austrian, hungarian, et al supremacism/robbery.

    one shld always remember that what happened to ashk’c voelken [in english, folks] cld have happened to any of us.

    if i had been as child armed with eternal verities such that my people are chosen by god; leaders/mentors of lesser-valued folk, etcetc.
    i too might have behaved just like ohlmert, dayan, peres, meir, begin, et al.
    but, again who knows? tnx

  38. Barry99 said on March 18th, 2009 at 11:51am #

    Genetic studies DO indicate a significant Middle Eastern component to Ashkenazi Jews. For this reason Ashkenazis can be said to be related to the people of the region. They also have a non-regional DNA component. In this, they are also related to various European groups – likely Slavs and possibly Kazars, as well as others in Europe and the Caucasus – ancient Kurds in particular. The precise balance of regional and non-regional genetics has not yet been determined – in part because Jewish backgrounds vary and have to be studied both through the y-chromosome and through mitochondrial DNA.

    Palestinian genetic studies indicate that they are related to other indigenous people of the region. ‘Exotic’ genetic input is relatively small, but includes both sub-Saharan African, other Middle Eastern, and European (Eastern Mediterranean and Balkan). In this regard, Palestinians are a typical Middle Eastern people – Ashkenazis less so.

    Mizrahim are more closely related to Palestinians than they are to Ashkenazim – but as Middle Eastern genetics are dispersed over a wide area it is not certain that the Mizrahim can trace ancestry to Canaan, but instead to the region in general, perhaps from ancient Berbers. Many Jews, whether Ashkenazim or not – are the descendents of converts and may trace no ancestry to the region.

    The salient point, whatever the genetic findings, is that Palestinians were the people who inhabited Palestine when the Brit/Zionist concerted colonization effort began less than a century ago. It is for this reason that Palestinians are entitled to inhabit and re-inhabit Palestine. As far as Jews going back – there is no where to go back to – most have now been born in Palestine. This does not stop, of course, Jews who want to leave from doing so.

    Judaism is the religion, Jews are an ethnicity or ethnicities. The Ashkenazim of Europe were an ethnic group apart from their neighbors. Whether differences between say, Romanian Jews and Lithuanian Jews, were sufficient to regard them as different ethnicities is hard to say. However, suffice it to say that Sephardic Jews are of different ethnicity to Ashkenazis – and Mizrahi Jews, Yemenis, Cochin Jews and others may all be viewed as different ethnicities. In Israel, the imposed national effort is to create one ethnicity- the Israeli Jew. This has not been entirely successful.

    But Judaism as a religion means subscribing to a set of particular beliefs in their various forms. Many Jews in Israel are secular – they do not practice Judaism, and may be observant of custom only as cultural practice. So Jewish ethnicity and Judaism are two different – if related – entities. There may have been a time when the religion and the ethnicity were one and the same. It would have been a brief period if at all. Jews have been mixing with other groups through both intermarriage and conversion since antiquity.

    Jewish ethnicity may be viewed as similar to Arab ethnicity in that it includes people of all backgrounds. The simple requirement of being considered an Arab (self-identified or identified from without) is that one speak Arabic as first language. This holds true whether one’s ancestry is Berber, Nilotic, Phoenician or Sumerian – or Arabian Peninsula Arab. Similarly, Jews have ancestries from a number of groups – a few of which overlap those of Arabs.

    Zionism is a legitimate term. It represents a movement begun among assimilated Ashkenazis in 19th century Western Europe to create a homeland for unassimilated Jews for whom it was feared would never be accepted into Gentile European society. This movement grew amidst the political milieu of the era – one that was nationalist (and increasingly ultra-nationalist), colonialist, and imperialist. It is not surprising that Zionism did not acknowledge their ideology might be examined from the viewpoint of its victims. In the view of Zionists, the Arabs of Palestine were not a People in a European sense – that of being a nation. Zionists viewed Jews as a misplaced nation – a People without a state. And they would remedy that predicament via colonization made possible by a powerful sponsor – as it turned out, a very willing Britain.

    I would very much like to see the demise of the ‘State of the Jews’ and its replacement by the ‘State of all its citizens.’ I expect however, that a less than ideal 2-state solution is in the offing.

  39. sastry.m said on March 19th, 2009 at 10:37pm #

    There is a haughty English joke about the Irish–” An Irish man doesn’t know what he wants but will not stop until he gets it! ” Is it so with the Israelis also since ancient times? Why should Shimon Peres seek support from American Senate rather than rely on discussions and resolutions of Knesset which are more reliable and dependable for immediate national cause? Why at all an Israeli State has been created in a haste in Palestina in the immediate aftermath of WW2 and under whose sponsorship and authority without holding discussions with its existing inhabitants living for many centuries? If the leaders of Zionist Movement waived their wisdom in assurance of Gentile support of power so let it be. Still the people of present Israel can imbibe the holy spirit of Palestina and gain the confidence of their native brethren of other faiths through peaceful negotiations and benevolent understanding as an elderly educated bother instilling faith rather than fear in support of their new found state.