In the Shadowlands: Listening to the War Coming Home

Meet the Press interviewer: Two-thirds of the American people now say the Iraq war wasn’t worth it.

Dick Cheney: So?

Webster Tarpley used to be a La Rouchie. I have to admit that’s not really grounds for credibility in my book. He has since distanced himself from the bizarre political cult that is La Rouchism, only to become one of the primary voices among 9/11 conspiracy theorists. Another reason for caution, perhaps—although his book on the subject: 9/11, Synthetic Terror Made in the USA, received high praise from at least one serious reviewer. Be all that as it may, on March 19th, while a few hundred people were disrupting traffic in the streets of San Francisco in order to protest five years of US aggression in Iraq, I was listening to him talk about the evils of monetarism on the local Pacifica radio station. This is one of Tarpley’s big subjects, and it turns out that he is no more fringe-y in his economic analysis or his economic prescriptions than a garden-variety Roosevelt Democrat (which I suppose, in this day and age in America is like saying he is a Bolshevik or a child molester or something).

As I listened to his detailed analysis of the financial crisis, many pieces of the frantically fractured contemporary scene seemed to click softly into place. I got the sense of a system that some years ago had already begun—erratically, almost lazily, and still imperceptibly to many—to spin out of control. In 1999, around the time the departing Clinton administration tore down the wall between commercial and investment banking that had stood since the Great Depression, Tarpley wrote about the symptoms of economic collapse as a result of monetary policy and uncontrolled speculation, and how to identify the sequential stages of a coming US collapse and its consequences. His stages have since begun unfolding before our eyes. I’m not an economist; I wield metaphors, not statistics. To me, what he was saying was, if you take the brakes off a car and floor the gas pedal, sooner or later you’re going to crash.

Tarpley’s 1999 book was entitled Surviving the Cataclysm: Your Guide Through the Worst Financial Crash in History. His sixth chapter was on Collapse, his seventh on Disintegration. The cheery title of his radio talk on the 19th was “Beyond Collapse to Disintegration: Surviving the Coming Depression.” Apparently he still thinks we’re proceeding on schedule. Tarpley was also sounding a note of historic caution; he went into great detail about the parallels between Weimar Germany and the present day U.S.—if we get hyperinflation, or a crash of the dollar, which the Fed’s desperately pouring money into the system could cause, as they well know, we can start looking at those pictures of impoverished Germans in the 1920s trying to buy eggs with wheelbarrows full of cash and say to ourselves: how could we be so stupid as to let this happen to us? Once you clear the gassy, seductive fog produced by speculative bubbles, two things really matter in terms of economic stability under capitalism: that your society actually produces a sufficient number of things to buy and sell, and that a critical mass of people owns land/property from which it cannot easily be dispossessed. Well, no one who hasn’t been living in cable-TV induced stupor for the last 15 years can miss that we make almost nothing anymore, and now we’re losing our homes too. One in ten U. S. homeowners now owes more on their property than it is worth in the current market.

As I watched the Feds come galloping in to rescue Wall Street’s burning house this week, with their fire hoses sloshing 30 billion dollars of our money on the charred heap of Bear Stearns, and then listened to Tarpley, I couldn’t help remembering a scene in Dumb and Dumber (don’t ask me why I saw that movie, but it’s truly a touchstone for me now) where Jim Carrey says brightly to Jeff Daniels: “Well, we’re in a hole now, and we’re just going to have DIG ourselves OUT of it!”

And then, of course, there’s this endless state of war. The really disturbing parallel with 20th century Germany for Tarpley is that even though economically we are Weimar, we already have our Hitler in office: his name is Dick Cheney, and he wants us to go to war with Iran. Cheney is nowhere near as popular as Hitler was in 1939, when he urged his generals to invade Poland, and may even have arranged a provocative event to justify the decision once they agreed to do so. But Cheney is no less powerful for all that, no less determined, and for the same reasons: ideology and (voodoo) economics. And now time is really short: only 10 months to go. Like Hitler, in a conversation Tarpley cites from William Shirer’s book on the Third Reich, Cheney knows that the U.S. could soon be too poor and too embroiled in expanding economic unrest to maintain the degree of military might it still possesses. And the banking sector, which keeps grasping for ground and finding that the quicksand is already everywhere, is ripe for uncontrolled panic, from which, as Tarpley says, “the leap forward into war has often come as a relief.” The only heartening news in Tarpley’s worsening-case scenario comes from inside the military itself, which knows better than anyone how overstretched it already is. A desperate struggle is being waged behind the wall of silence that the military brass maintains with the public, and it has to be the main, if not the only, reason we have not already begun bombing Iran.

Because what I listened to and watched these past few days also gave me the sense of an opposition movement that has been utterly outstripped by events. In the San Francisco streets, cops outnumbered demonstrators in every protest. Almost everybody hates the war, but the amount of vitriol being poured out on various media comments pages, from the San Francisco Chronicle to You Tube, against the very notion of protest itself is at least a circumstance to be reckoned with. It is Cheney’s contempt writ large. What else seems to be on the verge of collapse, in our public culture at least, is empathy: we spend so little face-time with our fellow citizens that we are ever-more inclined to lash out at shadow-culprits or Judas-goats online, from the comfortable darkness of anonymity. We’re all strangers to one another in the virtual polity, even to many of the people we euphemistically call “friends.”

Pointless. Useless. Pitiful display of retro-posturing by wannabe-activist-hipster types who parade around and PRETEND they are doing something. “Look at us we’re maarrcchhiinnggg…weeee!!”. POSERS!! GO TO WASHINGTON AND MARCH! These people are doing nothing but “preaching to the choir” and tying up SF traffic. What a pathetic mess…

This comment was typical of a large percentage of what I “listened” to online that day—although it was far from universal. Perhaps because many more conservative places throughout the country held protests or vigils, the dismissal of protest as mere acting out by a privileged and self-indulgent subculture was not as deafening as I have seen it here in the past.

But how about where the rubber hits the Silk Road? At the Winter Soldier hearings in the D.C. area over the weekend, Iraq and Afghanistan vets testified passionately, eloquently and insightfully about what empire does to human lives: the lives of those who prosecute it, and the lives of those who are in its way. In an historical repeat of the 1971 Vietnam-focused original, there was no corporate media coverage of their words or images. This was, if nothing else, a tremendous chance for empathy missed. On a local radio talk show on the 19th, unrelated to the hearings, a Bay Area vet who had been homeless after he was discharged and now works for Swords to Ploughshares finally came out and said, in a tired but determined voice, what millions of cowed consumers of the relentless barrage of Big Lies apparently still need to be told: “You don’t have to support the war to support the troops.”

On the 19th in the afternoon, I went out to San Francisco State University, where I had heard students were planning to rally against the war. Fees have gone up almost 100% in the past five years. New fee hikes and cuts in programs are looming—throughout California social services are on the chopping block. Unemployment is up. Working class students are obvious cannon fodder. The connections couldn’t be clearer.

Yet there was no rally. A few dispirited looking organizers stood around the student union plaza. Someone seemed to have forgotten the crucial step of organizing for this action. Instead, as on any other day, hundreds of students milled along the paths, heads crooked into their cellphones, skateboarders (some also on cellphones) wove with eyes glazed through the crowds. I couldn’t help thinking: with all these communications devices getting in the way, how do we reach one another anymore? And I remembered the wife of another soldier on that radio talk show saying how grateful she was for the miracle of modern technology, because now she could talk to her husband in Iraq almost every day by satellite phone. As she described what it was like to watch their child take its first steps without him there, the bandage-on-a-gaping-wound syndrome was painfully obvious. Yet she was determined to look on the bright side. Meet the new, improved opiate of the masses: communications technology.

Ironically, I reflected, the only political group that has had a visible, persistent presence on the SFSU campus in the three years I’ve been pursuing a graduate degree there has been Lyndon La Rouche’s.

I knew that the SFSU students were not terminally apathetic or incapable of being mobilized. Hundreds showed up recently for a national teach-in on global warming. But even though I think anti-protest comments like the one I quoted above are missing the point, there still seems to be a gap you could fit a battalion in between public protest and actual organizing against the war, and the people that I know in activist circles don’t know what to do about it any more than I do, because they are mostly part of a professional sector that has little connection with the public beyond the base they’ve built to support the particular set of issues or concerns of the non-profit or union they work for. Iraq Veterans Against the War may have recognized this disconnect when it asked that mass demonstrations not be called in Washington during the Winter Soldier hearings, although if the idea was that media attention would be distracted, well, that proved to be moot. But IVAW seemed undeterred by the absence of corporate media, probably because they are engaged in the slow, un-dramatic, day-to-day process of organizing the unorganized, “at the point of production” as the Marxists would say, that is, among the most critical sector of the public for effectively challenging militarism: the active duty military.

Don’t get me wrong. I love my activist friends; I honor their dedication and their willingness to act on their beliefs, to time and time again be some kind of lightning rod for public opinion, and if they don’t feel the crippling isolation I feel from the unorganized majority, if they don’t think that public anti-war rallies and civil disobedience actions, because they are disconnected from organizing efforts outside the activist sector, have tended to devolve into a tired, professionalized and easily marginalized theatrics, then I stand corrected. But this year, for the first time in many years, instead of joining them in the streets, I decided to stay home in the shadowlands of America and just listen.

What else did I did hear this week? The Obama speech on race in America, which seemed nuanced, intelligent, cautious, highly ethical, reasonable, and in no way earth-shattering. The result? He plummets in the polls. What quote comes to mind there? Hal Holbrook as Deep Throat in All the President’s Men: “They didn’t want to run against Muskie; look what happened to Muskie. They wanted to run against McGovern; look who they’re running against.” You can hear the wheels turning in the party strategists’ brains: if McCain runs against Clinton, the Clinton haters who might have sat it out will show up, the progressives who might have held their noses once again and voted for Obama, and the new voters, will drop out, and McCain will win. He’s already beating both of them in national polls anyway… Any takers? And then: remember “Ba-ba-ba, ba-bomb Iran?” Cheney wins again.

Tarpley sees collapse now unfolding, a hair’s breadth away from unleashing more militarism, and even the shadow of martial law, the end game of end games. I distrust apocalyptic collapse scenarios (as I’ve already written in Dissident Voice) as much as I distrust conspiratorial hypotheses that allow no room for human creativity, altruism, conscience and critical awareness to play a role in shaping history. But Cheney will not allow himself to be deterred, as he told us on Meet the Press over the weekend, particularly if the spreading economic pain begins to lap at the shores of his rich friends’ islands. And so my personal choice after listening around these past few days was, belatedly, to do something concrete to support the troops who oppose the occupation or who want to come home ASAP or get out or talk others out of going in. Having lived inside the activist bubble for years, I’m as isolated from the military as anyone. But when it comes down to it, if I could find some way to do so, I’d even support some of their commanders, the ones who aren’t power-mad or corrupt or craven, and are right now the thin green line standing between us and the Persian Abyss (because I think we know it’s no longer just a Gulf, friends). Not to mention martial law.

Tarpley finished his talk by citing the additions to the Bill of Rights which he said Roosevelt had wanted to insert into the Constitution: the right to health care, education through college, housing, dignified work. Nationalize the Federal Reserve now, said Tarpley. All that seems fairly quaint, for the moment, in spite of the fact that even the mainstream media has acknowledged a “crisis” in every single one of those areas. But things could—no, will—change, are changing. Will the Depression hit for real, and if so, what then? Will it be Weimar or the Waltons? Russia or Argentina? Stay tuned. And in the meantime, support the troops…

Christy Rodgers’ writings have appeared on Dissident Voice, Truthout, Alternet, Upside Down World, Counterpunch, and Dark Mountain Project. She lives in San Francisco and blogs at What If?: Tales, transformations, possibilities. Read other articles by Christy.

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  1. HR said on March 21st, 2008 at 11:57am #

    Keep in mind, that most of those claiming to be opposed to the war are simply the disgruntled, upset over not getting the quick victory they were promised. You know them, the nearly half of the voting population who put the neoliberals in office, twice (which contains as a subset those nearing 60 who voted for Nixon, Reagan, and Bush I … and slick Willie as well). These are the same people who got livid over Jeremiah Wright’s paraphrase of Ward Churchill’s statement of the obvious regarding the Trade Center attack. We are such a dumbassed, mean bunch of ignorant bullies.

  2. debra said on March 21st, 2008 at 3:09pm #

    Thanks, Christie, for the thoughtful essay. I peruse the blogs and underground democratic newspapers daily and have google alerts
    on people and topics of concern and I must say I am really worried. And I agree that we can hardly face each other anymore for having our separate ideas of being right about things that collectively matter little in building power blocks that can make a difference.

    You mention martial law, and that is a very big concern of mine, especially since I read that there are Military Commands run by mercenaries, not governments, but contracted by governments for pay.

    I read that there is a Northern Command, and a Canadian Command (but Canada uses a different name I cannot recall right now) that have entered into an agreement about sending troops to each other’s countries in the event of civil unrest. This reminds me of Chinese troops sent from other provinces to deal with the Tianamen Square issue in the the 1980’s. They had no problem killing those students who were not related to them.

    What are they planning? How can we possible control these forces who are international in their organizational structure, and who have developed parallel international police forces as well? Who do they report to? Blackwater works under contract with the State Dept, so I can only guess that these others do too.

    You are right in saying that our military is weakened, but I am afraid these COMMAND structures are counting on that, and may even have an agenda to make that real. Yesterday on CSPAN I heard one journalist say that the war could not be continued without contractors, and we are paying $900 per day for those players who act without rule of law. We are buying lawless murderers to spend our money and kill people in our name.

    I am deeply concerned about the fact that there is no investment in our infrastructure, and as much as Obama or anyone else speaks about “change”, how do we facilitate change when these criminals have successfully dismantled our political structures such that we have no access to our resources nor those who mismanage them? Look how Katrina is not being rebuilt. Does Halliburton want to rebuild after the proposed civil war they are planning, I wonder?

    Why does Pelosi not allow “impeachment” which could at least begin to set things straight? It was recently mentioned that she is Aunt to Gavin Newsom, which I did not know. Does she guild the elephant to protect its hide to support Gavin’s future rise to presidency?

    I am really disillusioned with government like never before and am at a loss as to how we can ever hold anyone accountable in their trenches, while we need them to dig us out?

    I recently went to work for three months at City Hall as a full time permanent Principal Financial Accountant and completed a project for them at TIDA, but because part of that process was to stand up for accuracy in my numbers and to take the time and effort to prove them, the day after I delivered the project, and picked up the signed MOU for monetary compensation for my work, I was walked to the HR office and promptly given a non-disciplinary release.

    Even though I was supposed to be in a union, no one helped me. I had no recourse and have not been able to credibly defend myself in their actions. My career as an accountant has been all but demolished in this town now. I cannot get a job in an industry that I have served as an independent since 1986. Why does no one respond to my requests for work? Because I insisted on accuracy in government accounting? In San Francisco? A so-called progressive town? I am still in shock. I guess there are too many things to hide and they cannot afford someone like me confronting them on living up to their civic duties to protect our assets instead of steal them? For the record, TIDA was clean and all of that much to do about nothing purely political.

    Do you know that most of the accountants at City Hall are green card third world people who cannot, will not, and probably do not know how to stand up for the American rights and privileges that we fought for, people who are trained to defer to orders by whoever passes them down, no matter the consequence?

    Should we be handing over our government resources to people that don’t stand up? I am not prejudiced against immigrants, but it really was puzzling to have a 5 year green card philipino show me a nude blue eyed blonde on her desktop, ( I am a blue eyed blonde) while refusing to support me in the accuracy of our project, then be allowed to keep her job and while I am moved out of a job. This, despite heavy rules regarding sexual crap in the workplace. I never reported her, but I think they found the picture because they made us all move our desks into another room to do cleanup. Did you ever think that slimy porno seeking ass licking could trump ethical reporting in the field of accounting? I admit, I never thought I would see the day.

    This world sucks. I am all for building a power block across democratic lines and progressive lines that forgets the stupid shit that doesn’t count, and works hard together to focus on the important things that keep us all from being victims to this economy. How can we generate the political will of people collectively to stand up against those who are cruel heartless and pyschotic in their goals?

    I want to be able to trust in our civil service. I want to know we can protect our rights and liberties and generate more jobs. I don’t want America to be uplifted by an Obama election, whose planned (I really hope this isn’t true) assassination then throws us into civil unrest colored by the media as a racial war so that Canadians, or Mexicans can come in and fight with those Americans who have a clue about the right to bear arms in a well regulated militia. Hello? Are there such people? I doubt that anyone is really organized or regulated at all to fight against a rogue government that has abdicated its authority to mercenaries.

    Forgive my ramblings, but I hope I hit on a few unclarified but crucial points that may motivate others to share their concerns or attempt to allay mine.

  3. maha said on March 22nd, 2008 at 9:26am #

    “I knew that the SFSU students were not terminally apathetic or incapable of being mobilized. Hundreds showed up recently for a national teach-in on global warming.”
    Because they are brainwashed sheep. The mass media tells them what to think and what to do and like robots they will do it.

    Btw your childish conspiracy theory reference is ignorant and pathetic, you throw out this term like a programmed robot. 9/11 was a meticulously planned operation that was the key event to usher in all this (pre planned) chaos. You’re right, empathy’s gone out the window, you certainly have none to spare except some flippant remarks — support the commanders? aren’t they the ones giving the illegal orders in Iraq and Afghanistan? But that’s not what concerns you is it, it’s the fact the troops suffer.
    In 2003 prior to the invasion unions in the uk threatened strikes at the anti war rallies. Of course they didn’t do it because union leaders are only interested in furthering their own political careers and boosting their personal finances. But the idea of bringing the country to a halt to stop the planned slaughter was absolutely the right one.

  4. hp said on March 22nd, 2008 at 5:11pm #


  5. Eric said on March 22nd, 2008 at 8:18pm #

    I found the article useful as a gauge of health–the lack thereof– of civil society and particularly of college people’s political awareness. Having read two of Tarpley’s books, the Unauthorized Biography of George Bush (Sr) and Synthetic Terror, which got the highest possible praise from the foremost bookreviewer on Amazon, it is pretty shocking to me that a presumed progressive person like Christy has apparently self censored her own consciousness as to 911.

    If even someone like her hasn’t figured out the basics, that WTC 7 wasn’t hit by airplanes but was brought down in a clearly preplanned premeditated controlled demolition, along with the hundreds of other pieces of evidence pointing to an inside job, then that confirms Tarpley’s analysis even more. The very basis for democratic civil society is rotted at the foundations, that the college students really in general don’t understand the nature of the problems. And without that understanding, and the total immobilization of protest, it’s basically OVER.

    But that has been apparent since the 2004 election was stolen–for the SECOND time, and Kerry caved in (probably preplanned as well) and the voters didn’t rise up as was the case in Mexico’s stolen election.

    It looks ot me like the people are sleep walking towards catastrophe. Just like Einstein warned and predicted. “Everything has changed but our way of thinking and so we drift to catastrophe.”

    Indeed as the previous poster pointed out , her own casual dismissal of Tarpley and

  6. Lloyd Rowsey said on March 23rd, 2008 at 9:09am #

    Right on HR. I just posted elsewhere here at DV a brief messsage pointing out the similarities btw what the media found so objectionable about Rev Wright’s comments, and Ward Churchill’s big boo boo a couple of years(?) ago.

    BTB, if you’re referring specifically to the Chickens Coming Home to Roost, you do know who said that originally. Right? Or was that before your time?

  7. Lloyd Rowsey said on March 23rd, 2008 at 11:19am #

    wellllll, not “ORGINALLY” – but the first time the phrase ever appeared in the national media in reference to a “national disaster”?

  8. HR said on March 23rd, 2008 at 12:09pm #

    Lloyd, I’m guessing that you refer to Malcolm (Little) X, since my Bartlett’s Familiar Quotations identifies him. As your post implies, it appears to be an old, old phrase, though, probably with its roots in agriculture. I had heard it all my life (high school class of ’68), though, from my parents and others of the “greatest” generation, and older several years before Malcolm X became well-known. Funny, until you mentioned it, I hadn’t really thought about the origin of the phrase. Just not inquisitive enough, I guess.

  9. Lloyd Rowsey said on March 23rd, 2008 at 1:57pm #

    I was high-school class of ’59, and I don’t believe in generations for a couple of reasons, but “The Greatest Generation” has always brought a smile to my inner self, being the “generation” — the wise men, not the politicos — got us in Vietnam and kept us there.

    TGG is just a particularly galling example of pervasive thought-control since late RayGun, if you ask me.

  10. Lloyd Rowsey said on March 23rd, 2008 at 1:58pm #

    *put us

  11. Lloyd Rowsey said on March 23rd, 2008 at 1:59pm #

    uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnnnh past my bedtime.

    *that put us

  12. Lloyd Rowsey said on March 23rd, 2008 at 2:11pm #

    “What else did I did hear this week?” Well, Christy. Did you hear the one, the chatter about Condo Rice being a smart pick for Veep by Mac? And two days later it breaks that the State Dept has snooped the passport records of the three major candidates?

    Clearly a stand-off among the Donks and Dumbos.

    Pictures at ten.

    God. I’ve been calling Bush The Chipmunk since 2002, and now my sister tells me McCain is looking more like a chipmunk every day.

    Was it something I said?

  13. Christy Rodgers said on March 23rd, 2008 at 6:05pm #

    Wow, even though I actually had some interest in reading Tarpley on 9/11 after taking his economics talk quite seriously, I can now see that unfortunately, the biggest drawback to the effective dissemination of the 9/11 conspiracy theory may be the utter contempt its staunchest defenders seem to have for the rest of humanity, those “brainwashed sheep” with whom these enlightened ones are forced to share a sickened planet.

    You want to hear my conspiracy theory? conspiracy theorists are all government plants who sow discord, apathy and fear by making us believe that the system is completely and eternally out of our control, and all political action is futile, except for the production of their tracts and screeds. Way to go! And they cost so little–this must be a great comfort to Cheney and co. (Since nuance isn’t your strong suit, guys, I’ll clue you in that I’m kidding. Sort of. Less than I would have been before reading your truly thoughtless comments).

    As I mentioned in my article, ya gotta love how the comments board phenomenon has helped replace argument with insult as the primary means of political discussion. And of course, deluged us with those who decry perceived snideness or condescension by whipping out their own little black book of insult and condescension. And those who believe they’ll break the perceived wall of silence around their truth by insulting anybody they believe–however careless and superficial their reading–disagrees with them—instead, in this particular case, of trying to listen more deeply what the rest of the commentators above and I all share with them, which is that nicely-put sense of watching a people slouching towards catastrophe.

    Take heart, eric and maha, I’m sure you’ll have the satisfaction of being right in the end, though you may have a very limited audience left by then for your vindication speeches.

  14. Christy Rodgers said on March 23rd, 2008 at 7:12pm #

    btw I’ve been knocking on the editorial door without success to make a correction: Tarpley’s book is called Surviving the Cataclysm: Your Guide to the Greatest Financial CRISIS in History.

    Lest people not be able to find it and then blame me for being part of the conspiracy of silence.

    oh, the nice phrase was “SLEEPWALKING towards catastrophe” thanks eric, not sure on re-reading I should tar your comments with the same brush of outrage as the truly egregious maha, but know at least that I’m definitely not representative of America’s college students, having been out of school for 20 years doing things like trying to counter US intervention in El Salvador and work with some hopelessly naive illusionists in the environmental justice movement before I decided to go back and get an MA degree. So don’t blame the rest of the college students for my “sheepishness.”

    and to the rest of you guys, thanks for allowing me to whistle in the dark to you for awhile, and for understanding what that means. Goodnight all.

  15. Lloyd Rowsey said on March 23rd, 2008 at 7:18pm #

    I apologize for myself, Christy, although I’m not the most direct target of your previous post. And I do in fact read articles posted at DV several DAYS after their posting, and comment on them sometimes a day or a week after THAT.

    But I have not read your piece of today on Tarpley.

    And I have long thought 9/11 conspiracy theorists, however seriously motivated, were the functional equivalent of crazy — in that ever since JFK it’s been obvious that with each layer of info you purportedly peel back, the sources become less believable. In regard to egoism and imperviousness to the subjects under discussion, you are a child, my dear? Did you never participate in the brutal New York Times online-chats-political-forums of just five or so years ago? What I’m saying is what passes for incivility and ranting at DV would have been mild stuff indeed at the NYT then. Of course, DV is not a chat, only the most open quick-post-radical (I call it radical) online political journal that I know of. And I did participate in those brutal NYT forums, and my opinion is that there’s been a definite waning of verbal-assassinations — at least from the far right.

    However, all in all, I want most to thank you, probably from the bottom of most of us relatively sane posters’ hearts, for taking the time to reply to the crowd, as it were. I assume you are paid for writing, when I say: many are the writers who profess to reply to the unpaid masses, few are the writers who practice what they profess.

  16. Lloyd Rowsey said on March 23rd, 2008 at 7:21pm #

    Well…goodnight to you, young lady.

  17. debra said on March 24th, 2008 at 9:00am #

    The ability to deal with ambiguity is a sign of mental health.

  18. hp said on March 24th, 2008 at 10:28am #

    “Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under.”
    H. L. Mencken

    Of cours these days man=person and he=they.