I believe the bit you are quoting from Mary’s post was directed at kenny, not you.

Sorry, there seems to be a great misunderstanding.
I did not want to critisize you because of your reminding at the agents provocateur installed by our “Bundesnachrichtendienst BND” the discovering of this evil happens repeatedly during the last decades, but not the discovering is annoying to me, but the happening causes indignation, of course, not only with me in Germany.
What I wanted to say is, that “Der Spiegel” although, cultivating an image of criticism, tells not always the truth, more of the truth you can find for instance in “junge Welt”, a newspaper of the Left in Germany.

I do not know what his agenda is but others including authors here have been similarly accused of being Israeli sympathisers or members of the Israeli lobby, a notion so ridiculous it is laughable. There could not be more assiduous champions and supporters of the Palestinians, under the heel of the Israelis for 63 years, than my friends and myself in word and deed.

The medialens editors, also authors here, have had strange accusations made about their motives too.

For the record, Gilad Atzmon wrote about the reception of his speech given in Stuttgart, +Germany+. I wrote about the now fascist Metropolitan Police (eg their handling of protests) and their outrageous inclusion of officers from Merkel’s fascist +German+ state to police a British crowd. It’s that simple.

I n0w have a post about the father of the young Turkish American student killed by the Israelis on the Mavi Marmara. He is bravely going to the US to ask for an inquiry. The link came from Free Gaza on one of whose boats, the Dignity, my brother was left for dead with 15 other souls by the Israeli navy who thrice rammed the boat in the dead of night 50 miles out in the Mediterranean Sea. The date was 30th December 2008, a few days into the Cast Lead massacre.

{http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/focus-u-s-a/father-of-teen-killed-in-gaza-flotilla-raid-seeks-american-justice-1.345023}

Professor Ahmet Doğan, whose 19-year-old son Furkan was killed aboard during the Israeli army raid on a Gaza-bound flotilla from Turkey in May, is in Washington in an attempt to convince American officials to open an investigation into the raid.

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PS I am posting that here because Gilad has written previously about the attack on the flotilla. Hope that’s OK with Mr K.

“Both agencies are gone but the people they spied on are alive and well and living in now democratic Europe! Hysterical screaming about “fascism” seems excessive”

Typical blather by a eurofascist…

Any remark that is the least bit critical of the fascist regime in the EU triggers an immediate response from you.

An innocent man was killed in that protest, thousands were ‘kettled’ and many were injured. The presence of police ‘agents provocateurs’ was known of course as it is known that the Met send officers to Israel for training. The latter fact emerged during the inquest of Jean Charles de Menezes, the innocent Brazilian shot dead on the underground by the Met.

btw I am neither ‘hysterical’ nor ‘screaming[.
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Thanks for your recommendation Josie.

Germany sent five undercover police officers to G8 protests

…The officers took orders from the UK’s National Public Order Intelligence Unit (NPOIU), the secretive police division that employed Mark Kennedy to spy on activists across Europe, said Jörg Ziercke, head of Germany’s federal police.

…Both the Guardian and Spiegel have already reported that Ziercke told German MPs that the agent committed at least two crimes, but the cases against him were dropped at the behest of German authorities who knew Kennedy’s true identity.

Kennedy first broke the law during protests at Heiligendamm. He later committed arson during a demonstration in Berlin at which he set fire to containers, Der Spiegel said. The newspaper said Kennedy’s involvement in criminal activity raised concerns that he was working as an agent provocateur and not just an observer – and the fact that investigations into both crimes were shelved suggested police authorities wielded an unacceptable influence over the country’s judicial process.

The revelations about Kennedy’s role in Germany come despite the government maintaining its refusal to publicly answer a series of parliamentary questions from opposition politicians.

The Bundestag said “operational reasons” prevented them answering any questions about the country’s co-operation with undercover police officers from other countries, and Kennedy in particular.

The Metropolitan police, which recently took control of the NPOIU, declined to comment.

{http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/20/germany-undercover-police-g8-protests}

While Atzmon’s criticism of the left is useful, it should really be seen as criticism of the zionist co-opted “left”, something that which is not leftwing at all, but actually almost entirely opposite of the real left, and is in fact, ziofascist.

Thanks for all of that background and I’ll keep that in mind for the future regarding Atzmon. But you are right. What you call “ziofacist” is what passes as the “Left” in the U.S. as well. It is definitely not the Left that adheres to principles of justice, fairness, equality, truth and solidarity.

I as going to comment on silver’s post, but decided against it since this Atzmon piece didn’t really get into left-right politics. But since you wrote about it now, I changed my mind. Unfortunately, the previously posted article from Atzmon didn’t allow comments, since what we are discussing here pertains much more to that piece than the current one. Since the subject has been brought up, I’ll post my thoughts on that previous Atzmon article regarding Atzmon’s writing about the left.

From what I’ve read about his past, I don’t think Atzmon was ever on the left. He reminds me a lot of libertarians in his political views. His views of the left seem to be from someone who has never been inside the left, but has observed it as an outsider and recipient of criticism from certain people claiming to be left. He does not seem to realise that zionists pretending to be left, and who are the loudest, most promoted mouths, who claim to speak for the left, have essentially co-opted the left in ziofascism, inc. interests, and that these people are in no way representative of the real left, which is not zionist, and could never be zionist.

His views are understandable, given where he lives and the sort of criticism directed towards him. In the UK, the “left” is very heavily infiltrated and dominated by Jewish chauvinists, both zionist and anti-zionist. The infiltration is so total in the UK, one can see how the “left” in the UK would be associated with zionist interests. Atzmon gets a lot flak from these sorts, as anyone critical of Judaism or zionism gets in the UK. I don’t think he realises how little of the real left is left in the UK, because of this zionist infiltration. He does not seem to differentiate between the real non-zionist left and the zionist fakes. Someone who is part of the left, and has seen how these ziofascist toadies act from the inside, can tell the difference fairly easily without much effort.

As I wrote, given where he is, I can see where he is coming from, having experienced the same sort of shite, from the same sort of duplicitous zionists pretending to be left. On the guardian’s talkboard, I was a “darling of the left” so long as I didn’t criticise zionism or israel. Once I crossed that threshold, I “became this crazy anti-semite” whom anything was fair game to use against, including multiple invasions of my personal life, always with a pretense of friendship behind them, by the so-called leftists at guardian. It didn’t take long to realise the guardian’s talkboard is essentially there for data mining purposes for israel’s sayanim and agents. As long as one conflates zionist/israeli criminality as subservient to that of the usa, you are OK, cross the “Petras line”, and you become “the enemy”. Literally.

As an example of how these things operate: 2-3 years back I posted something by benny morris, showing how even the so-called “enlightened” israeli establishment was in the apartheid gutter, and the guy who plays leader there of the anti-zionist “left”, at the time nicked “brightdayofsummer”, now “germinal”, tried to claim morris’ views were an obscure minority and what he writes is not worth discussing (he brought along some tory porno fanatic – literally – named “captainlockheed” to help press that absurd point). I pointed out they were full of shite and was banned from the site within a few days. No doubt this gatekeeper was responsible. A few weeks later, the nyt featured an editorial by this “obscure no-account, morris”. What happened was, not being able dispute the disgusting views of morris documented, the sayanim tried to pretend they were not relevant to current israeli views, that he was a fringe element nobody listened to. When that was shown to be bogus, the sayanim then had the threatening poster removed from the site. That is an example of how these critters operate. When they cant disprove or drown out the anti-zionist, they use whatever means they can to have the person repressed and their views not seen.

Atzmon, being in the UK, must have experienced “the left” in a similar manner, and a lot more and intensely. The sorts attacking him from “the left” there are the same sorts I just described. The so-called anti-zionist “left”, in the guise of “jews sans frontiers” and the greenstein blog, attacks him regularly and is very obsessed about what he says. It’s the usual Jewish zionist gatekeeper spiel, slander the real opposition and pretend one is the opposition instead. Then work to neutralise that opposition.

While Atzmon’s criticism of the left is useful, it should really be seen as criticism of the zionist co-opted “left”, something that which is not leftwing at all, but actually almost entirely opposite of the real left, and is in fact, ziofascist. Personally, I think where Atzmon really shines is in describing israelis, zionism and Judaism. This, he obviously has a lot of experience as an “insider”, and speaks from personal knowledge. The article above is a good example.

“Considering the latest Israeli barbarian military operations, bearing in mind the disastrous starvation in Gaza, learning about the serious threat to world peace imposed by repeated nuclear threats made by Israel against its neighboring States and Iran in particular, we should move the discourse one step further. We better look at the Helen Thomas’ solution.”

Palestine – The Third Option
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2010/06/18/palestine-the-third-option/

i think that clerico-noble class of life are onto this fact.

and when we add to this fact the fact that panhuman thinking is split asunder into ideologies such as communist, socialist, democratic, american, judaic, catholic, islamic, chomskyite, trotzkyite, fascist, et al, but w.o. being aware that one is splitting asunder what cannot be split in pieces, we realize enormity of our problems arising from such thinking.

so, my suggestion is we stop ‘defining’, ‘explaining’, and the like; instead, just describe what traits a label represents. tnx

There ARE other symptoms as well.

And they ain’t pretty.

It is about time that more people on the I/P circuit start to do away with all that left wing gate keeper nonsense that holds the movement — and holds people — back. Ask a Palestinian what he thinks of Marx, Trotsky or Lenin, and they’ll laugh at you. Ask them what they think of the ‘right wing’ and they’ll laugh at you too.

Wake up — ‘leftism’ ( like the ‘right’ ) is all near complete nonsense, all redundant — take what is good from these constructs, them leave them behind. The ‘left’ and the ‘right’ wing leaders do not care about you or me anyway.

All illusions, manifesting in an empty world.

It is way way past time we drop these illusory media led gatekeeper stances of ‘left’ and ‘right’ wing. Clearly, Atzmon has already done so, and so should we.