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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/02/on-revolutionary-leadership-and-mass-action/#comment-81239</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 08:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Op Ed News 
McGovern Discusses His Arrest During Clinton&#039;s Speech 

...Ray McGovern explained that it was in this spirit that he chose to protest Clinton&#039;s policies and track record. 

&quot;Hillary is the driving force, together with a few others, behind the wars in Afghanistan. She&#039;s one of the big hawks in Iran. When I look at her and her husband that they don&#039;t know the first thing about war. I do and so do my fellow Veterans for Peace. I have to make clear that we Veterans for Peace think that her policies are an abomination to the nation, that they are at cross purposes to the country and not everybody should applaud and give her the idea that she&#039;s doing the right thing.&quot; 

&quot;I knew that Hillary knew, at the beginning of the war, that Hillary knew how things would go. There was a young lady who was working as Hillary Clinton&#039;s personal staff chief, when she was a senator in 2002 and 2003, was in a class I taught in DC and I&#039;d ask her to give her boss articles I wrote. And she did give them to her. So I know that. She made a political calculation that she needed to be strong because she was a woman even though she knew from us that the unintended consequences would be catastrophic. She knew all that and made that calculation.&quot; 

... She is the height of hypocrisy. When people die because we have hypocrites at the top of our government, that compels me to make a statement in whatever way I can. It was not the theme of her speech that I was protesting. It was her war policies and support of Mubarak.&quot; 

{http://www.opednews.com/articles/Ray-McGovern-Assaulted-Bl-by-Rob-Kall-110217-781.html}]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Op Ed News<br />
McGovern Discusses His Arrest During Clinton&#8217;s Speech </p>
<p>&#8230;Ray McGovern explained that it was in this spirit that he chose to protest Clinton&#8217;s policies and track record. </p>
<p>&#8220;Hillary is the driving force, together with a few others, behind the wars in Afghanistan. She&#8217;s one of the big hawks in Iran. When I look at her and her husband that they don&#8217;t know the first thing about war. I do and so do my fellow Veterans for Peace. I have to make clear that we Veterans for Peace think that her policies are an abomination to the nation, that they are at cross purposes to the country and not everybody should applaud and give her the idea that she&#8217;s doing the right thing.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;I knew that Hillary knew, at the beginning of the war, that Hillary knew how things would go. There was a young lady who was working as Hillary Clinton&#8217;s personal staff chief, when she was a senator in 2002 and 2003, was in a class I taught in DC and I&#8217;d ask her to give her boss articles I wrote. And she did give them to her. So I know that. She made a political calculation that she needed to be strong because she was a woman even though she knew from us that the unintended consequences would be catastrophic. She knew all that and made that calculation.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8230; She is the height of hypocrisy. When people die because we have hypocrites at the top of our government, that compels me to make a statement in whatever way I can. It was not the theme of her speech that I was protesting. It was her war policies and support of Mubarak.&#8221; </p>
<p>{http://www.opednews.com/articles/Ray-McGovern-Assaulted-Bl-by-Rob-Kall-110217-781.html}</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/02/on-revolutionary-leadership-and-mass-action/#comment-81191</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 08:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some stood up....

One American stood up and this is what they did to him.

At Clinton Speech: Veteran Bloodied and Arrested for Standing Silently 

As Secretary of State Hillary Clinton gave her speech at George Washington University yesterday condemning governments that arrest protestors and do not allow free expression, 71-year-old Ray McGovern was grabbed from the audience in plain view of her by police and an unidentified official in plain clothes, brutalized and left bleeding in jail. 

She never paused speaking. 

When Secretary Clinton began her speech, Mr. McGovern remained standing silently in the audience and turned his back. Mr. McGovern, a veteran Army officer who also worked as a C.I.A. analyst for 27 years, was wearing a Veterans for Peace t-shirt. 

Blind-sided by security officers who pounced upon him, Mr. McGovern remarked, as he was hauled out the door, &quot;So this is America?&quot; Mr. McGovern is covered with bruises, lacerations and contusions inflicted in the assault. 

more (plus photos) at link... 
{http://www.justiceonline.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&amp;id=5553)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some stood up&#8230;.</p>
<p>One American stood up and this is what they did to him.</p>
<p>At Clinton Speech: Veteran Bloodied and Arrested for Standing Silently </p>
<p>As Secretary of State Hillary Clinton gave her speech at George Washington University yesterday condemning governments that arrest protestors and do not allow free expression, 71-year-old Ray McGovern was grabbed from the audience in plain view of her by police and an unidentified official in plain clothes, brutalized and left bleeding in jail. </p>
<p>She never paused speaking. </p>
<p>When Secretary Clinton began her speech, Mr. McGovern remained standing silently in the audience and turned his back. Mr. McGovern, a veteran Army officer who also worked as a C.I.A. analyst for 27 years, was wearing a Veterans for Peace t-shirt. </p>
<p>Blind-sided by security officers who pounced upon him, Mr. McGovern remarked, as he was hauled out the door, &#8220;So this is America?&#8221; Mr. McGovern is covered with bruises, lacerations and contusions inflicted in the assault. </p>
<p>more (plus photos) at link&#8230;<br />
{http://www.justiceonline.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&amp;id=5553)</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/02/on-revolutionary-leadership-and-mass-action/#comment-81160</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Weather Channel said the current La Nina event had now peaked, with Pacific Ocean temperatures increasing during the past month.

Weather Channel meteorologist Tom Saunders said other La Nina indicators, such as the Southern Oscillation Index and trade winds, had also eased, prompting him to declare the La Nina event was now weakening.

Mr Saunders said, although the La Nina has passed its peak, the global weather pattern was still tipped to bring widespread rain to Australia over the coming months.

“This week most of the country will see significant rain, particularly the northern tropics, the Queensland coast and most of New South Wales,” he said.

“After a dry start to the week, South Australia, Victoria and Tasmania will also see rain, mainly from Friday to Sunday.”

Mr Saunders said rain most areas of NSW could expect at least 10mm of rain this week, with some areas experiencing severe thunderstorms and flash flooding.  Weather Channel

   La Nina that&#039;s part of it.

At least 34 people were killed when a river in south-eastern Bolivia burst its banks, sweeping away a passenger bus and a truck, authorities said on Sunday.

Bodies have been washing up on the banks of the Mollepunku River since the incident late on Friday near the town of Pampahuasi, 700 kilometres south-east of the Andean nation&#039;s capital, La Paz, police said.  ABC

    Starting to add up.

Did wet weather last summer in Saskatchewan help bring down Hosni Mubarak? The surprising answer is yes. The chain of events that links a poor 2010 wheat harvest in Western Canada to recent political turmoil in North Africa and the Middle East - which culminated Friday in the forced resignation of Mubarak, the much-loathed Egyptian president - is raising difficult questions about world food production amid the cries of joy emanating from Tahrir Square in Cairo.

{http://www.freakyweather.com/content/how-freaky-weather-linked-revolution-egypt}

    And in America many eat like there&#039;s no tomorrow any thought&#039;s and why that happen&#039;s. A massive wealth transfer oh there&#039;s a transfer alright and has nothing to do with wealth. 

Because of the children, they said, and
Because of the heart, and
Because of the bread.
Because
The cause
Is the heart’s beat
And the children born
And the risen bread.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Weather Channel said the current La Nina event had now peaked, with Pacific Ocean temperatures increasing during the past month.</p>
<p>Weather Channel meteorologist Tom Saunders said other La Nina indicators, such as the Southern Oscillation Index and trade winds, had also eased, prompting him to declare the La Nina event was now weakening.</p>
<p>Mr Saunders said, although the La Nina has passed its peak, the global weather pattern was still tipped to bring widespread rain to Australia over the coming months.</p>
<p>“This week most of the country will see significant rain, particularly the northern tropics, the Queensland coast and most of New South Wales,” he said.</p>
<p>“After a dry start to the week, South Australia, Victoria and Tasmania will also see rain, mainly from Friday to Sunday.”</p>
<p>Mr Saunders said rain most areas of NSW could expect at least 10mm of rain this week, with some areas experiencing severe thunderstorms and flash flooding.  Weather Channel</p>
<p>   La Nina that&#8217;s part of it.</p>
<p>At least 34 people were killed when a river in south-eastern Bolivia burst its banks, sweeping away a passenger bus and a truck, authorities said on Sunday.</p>
<p>Bodies have been washing up on the banks of the Mollepunku River since the incident late on Friday near the town of Pampahuasi, 700 kilometres south-east of the Andean nation&#8217;s capital, La Paz, police said.  ABC</p>
<p>    Starting to add up.</p>
<p>Did wet weather last summer in Saskatchewan help bring down Hosni Mubarak? The surprising answer is yes. The chain of events that links a poor 2010 wheat harvest in Western Canada to recent political turmoil in North Africa and the Middle East &#8211; which culminated Friday in the forced resignation of Mubarak, the much-loathed Egyptian president &#8211; is raising difficult questions about world food production amid the cries of joy emanating from Tahrir Square in Cairo.</p>
<p>{http://www.freakyweather.com/content/how-freaky-weather-linked-revolution-egypt}</p>
<p>    And in America many eat like there&#8217;s no tomorrow any thought&#8217;s and why that happen&#8217;s. A massive wealth transfer oh there&#8217;s a transfer alright and has nothing to do with wealth. </p>
<p>Because of the children, they said, and<br />
Because of the heart, and<br />
Because of the bread.<br />
Because<br />
The cause<br />
Is the heart’s beat<br />
And the children born<br />
And the risen bread.</p>
<p>— Daniel Berrigan</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/02/on-revolutionary-leadership-and-mass-action/#comment-81142</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 21:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rise Up! Rise Up!

The  more than two- week long  popular uprising in Egypt,  at last, compelled Hosni Mubarak, ruler of that country, to step down by ceding  to  the basic condition of the protesters.

He was at the helm of affairs of the Egyptian government for the last thirty years and had been enjoying all-sided American and Israeli assistance in financial, political and intelligence fields. However, ground realities established  (once more) that arsenal of weapons, huge army and foreign support is no guarantee for  continuation of power;  nor they can prevent the caravan of the aspirations of the people from forging ahead. Whenever, the patience of the people overwhelms its brims  it is set to lead its way as a strong tide.

{http://shahamat.info/english/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=5070:response-of-the-islamic-emirate-regarding-the-victory-of-the-popular-uprising-in-egypt&amp;catid=4:statements&amp;Itemid=4}]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rise Up! Rise Up!</p>
<p>The  more than two- week long  popular uprising in Egypt,  at last, compelled Hosni Mubarak, ruler of that country, to step down by ceding  to  the basic condition of the protesters.</p>
<p>He was at the helm of affairs of the Egyptian government for the last thirty years and had been enjoying all-sided American and Israeli assistance in financial, political and intelligence fields. However, ground realities established  (once more) that arsenal of weapons, huge army and foreign support is no guarantee for  continuation of power;  nor they can prevent the caravan of the aspirations of the people from forging ahead. Whenever, the patience of the people overwhelms its brims  it is set to lead its way as a strong tide.</p>
<p>{http://shahamat.info/english/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=5070:response-of-the-islamic-emirate-regarding-the-victory-of-the-popular-uprising-in-egypt&amp;catid=4:statements&amp;Itemid=4}</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/02/on-revolutionary-leadership-and-mass-action/#comment-81130</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 19:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It amaze me how members of the pseudo-Left tries to &quot;embrace&quot; the Egyptian Revolution yet when it had a modicum of an opening to alter the system they sabotage it.  Mr. Glick was instrumental in sabotaging the 2004 Nader Campaign and an opportunity to build a viable 3rd Party and now wants to convince us he&#039;s supports what&#039;s happening in Egypt.

The lesson of Egypt is they they know who and what their enemy is -- Zionism and they are standing together to overthrow Zionist tyranny.   Will Mr. Glick stand against Zionist dominance in the U.S?  I doubt it.  His stance in 2004 tells us quite the opposite.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It amaze me how members of the pseudo-Left tries to &#8220;embrace&#8221; the Egyptian Revolution yet when it had a modicum of an opening to alter the system they sabotage it.  Mr. Glick was instrumental in sabotaging the 2004 Nader Campaign and an opportunity to build a viable 3rd Party and now wants to convince us he&#8217;s supports what&#8217;s happening in Egypt.</p>
<p>The lesson of Egypt is they they know who and what their enemy is &#8212; Zionism and they are standing together to overthrow Zionist tyranny.   Will Mr. Glick stand against Zionist dominance in the U.S?  I doubt it.  His stance in 2004 tells us quite the opposite.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/02/on-revolutionary-leadership-and-mass-action/#comment-81125</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was mass action that attempted to be nonviolent, but people were prepared to defend themselves, to defend their right to demonstrate and demand change, to fight with stones against the pro-Mubarak thugs when they attacked. Ted

  The right to free speech and assembly and if that was ever needed it is needed now. Am very sure Ted knows what&#039;s coming down the tract and because we waited to long either way it&#039;s going to get ruff. There still is time not much and yes it will take an enormous effort that very sure part of that effort will be to slowdown. The pro-business forces in all there shapes and sizes will fight back cap and trade sorry that will be the last joke played on life third planet from the Sun. Tax carbon return the tax back to the people yes only a start and to accomplish that little feat will be one hell of a fight. Calm at peace the truth the knowledge and the pro-business forces heck all they have is the media in there back pocket, the so called policy makers on the take, and the money and power on a relentless basis to keep sending out messages that have zero to do with truth and knowledge how hard could it be as we outnumber them let&#039;s be conservative about 8 to 2. Hay did anybody see Dick Armey you know freedom work&#039;s on Fox New&#039;s today had on a big white cowboy had they really do like there prop&#039;s don&#039;t they.

 
A pyramid is a polyhedron with a polygonal base and triangles for sides.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was mass action that attempted to be nonviolent, but people were prepared to defend themselves, to defend their right to demonstrate and demand change, to fight with stones against the pro-Mubarak thugs when they attacked. Ted</p>
<p>  The right to free speech and assembly and if that was ever needed it is needed now. Am very sure Ted knows what&#8217;s coming down the tract and because we waited to long either way it&#8217;s going to get ruff. There still is time not much and yes it will take an enormous effort that very sure part of that effort will be to slowdown. The pro-business forces in all there shapes and sizes will fight back cap and trade sorry that will be the last joke played on life third planet from the Sun. Tax carbon return the tax back to the people yes only a start and to accomplish that little feat will be one hell of a fight. Calm at peace the truth the knowledge and the pro-business forces heck all they have is the media in there back pocket, the so called policy makers on the take, and the money and power on a relentless basis to keep sending out messages that have zero to do with truth and knowledge how hard could it be as we outnumber them let&#8217;s be conservative about 8 to 2. Hay did anybody see Dick Armey you know freedom work&#8217;s on Fox New&#8217;s today had on a big white cowboy had they really do like there prop&#8217;s don&#8217;t they.</p>
<p>A pyramid is a polyhedron with a polygonal base and triangles for sides.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/02/on-revolutionary-leadership-and-mass-action/#comment-81120</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 17:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the key to it all: who governs a govt? it shld be never a matter of what governs a govt.

do all people in u.s. superwise a govt? it seems to me only some people govern a govt. and the ones that do, some of them do more of it than others; while the top onepercent may hold 98% of the control of any u.s. govt.

this renders any prez a mere safeway manager; nevertheless, fiercely defending the structure.

it wld be nice if egyptians wld set up a new structure of society and governance in which referendums wld play a role also.
unfortunately, i don&#039;t see anybody in europe and elsewhere marching in support of the egyptians. tnx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the key to it all: who governs a govt? it shld be never a matter of what governs a govt.</p>
<p>do all people in u.s. superwise a govt? it seems to me only some people govern a govt. and the ones that do, some of them do more of it than others; while the top onepercent may hold 98% of the control of any u.s. govt.</p>
<p>this renders any prez a mere safeway manager; nevertheless, fiercely defending the structure.</p>
<p>it wld be nice if egyptians wld set up a new structure of society and governance in which referendums wld play a role also.<br />
unfortunately, i don&#8217;t see anybody in europe and elsewhere marching in support of the egyptians. tnx</p>
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