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		<title>By: shabnam</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/02/middle-east-protests-continue-for-unmet-demands/#comment-81695</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 15:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unlike in Egypt, where it was clear that all of society with the exception of a tiny comprador elite opposed Mubarak, there is comparatively little information about the remaining base of support for Col. Moammar Gaddafi. If it is substantial, the country could fall into civil war with a scale of violence that far exceeds that seen in Egypt. If such a tragedy ensues, a variety of political forces—from liberal to neoconservative—will begin to call for the U.S. government to “do something.” This could take the form of sanctions, U.N. intervention, or the imposition of no-fly zones. 

Already some, like neoconservative Paul Wolfowitz, an architect of the Iraqi genocide, are advocating for such a “pro-active” approach. Sen. John Kerry, another pro-imperialist politician, is calling for sanctions, despite the horrific toll such a policy took on the Iraqi people during the 1990s.

Such threats must be absolutely rejected by progressive people. For one, the West would love to get boots on the ground in the region, with which they could influence and pressure the emerging Arab revolution. Secondly, these measures would be perceived as, and amount to, acts of war. The “peacekeeping” missions of the United States in Somalia and Yugoslavia were nothing other than bloody and destructive wars that widened conflict instead of solving it. Ask the people’s movements in Haiti or Palestine if the United Nation’s blue-helmeted occupations are any better.  

{http://www.pslweb.org/liberationnews/news/libya-and-the-arab-revolt-in.html}]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unlike in Egypt, where it was clear that all of society with the exception of a tiny comprador elite opposed Mubarak, there is comparatively little information about the remaining base of support for Col. Moammar Gaddafi. If it is substantial, the country could fall into civil war with a scale of violence that far exceeds that seen in Egypt. If such a tragedy ensues, a variety of political forces—from liberal to neoconservative—will begin to call for the U.S. government to “do something.” This could take the form of sanctions, U.N. intervention, or the imposition of no-fly zones. </p>
<p>Already some, like neoconservative Paul Wolfowitz, an architect of the Iraqi genocide, are advocating for such a “pro-active” approach. Sen. John Kerry, another pro-imperialist politician, is calling for sanctions, despite the horrific toll such a policy took on the Iraqi people during the 1990s.</p>
<p>Such threats must be absolutely rejected by progressive people. For one, the West would love to get boots on the ground in the region, with which they could influence and pressure the emerging Arab revolution. Secondly, these measures would be perceived as, and amount to, acts of war. The “peacekeeping” missions of the United States in Somalia and Yugoslavia were nothing other than bloody and destructive wars that widened conflict instead of solving it. Ask the people’s movements in Haiti or Palestine if the United Nation’s blue-helmeted occupations are any better.  </p>
<p>{http://www.pslweb.org/liberationnews/news/libya-and-the-arab-revolt-in.html}</p>
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		<title>By: shabnam</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/02/middle-east-protests-continue-for-unmet-demands/#comment-81684</link>
		<dc:creator>shabnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 05:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Press TV: I&#039;m glad you mentioned the situation of the people in these countries as you mentioned in Egypt as well such as poverty etc… These US sanctions, the United States said it will impose unilateral and multi-lateral sanctions. Will they just make life worse for those poor people and not affect Gaddafi at all? 

Shoenman: You know sanctions are an act of war. The function of these sanctions whether directed against Libya or Iraq or for that matter against Iran. The same sanctions are being directed against Iran as we speak. Their purpose is to facilitate Western industrial control of the resources of the region by cutting off the population from access to needed exchange of goods and material. They impose a political agenda on people who are in revolt against those very same conditions. The intervention in Libya is a godsend for imperialism. Imperialism has been thrown on its heels by this mass uprising. It is the entering of the masses on this historic stage and country after country in the Arab regions and in North Africa. The intervention in Libya is their means of reestablishing colonial control by whatever name. We have to be very clear about this. 

Press TV: So you say this is a godsend for US imperialism. Where do you see this ending up, and will Libya if Gaddafi were to step down not be a free country? Would they just replace him with another autocratic ruler? 

Schoenman: Well of course they would. The reason I say the mobilization of public opinion against Gaddafi is a godsend for imperialism is because Gaddafi has the image in the minds of large number of peoples because of decades past of being an anti-imperial voice. Consequently, by virtue of the fact they are ascribing to Gaddafi a brutal suppression of his people it gives them a cover for an open colonial intervention. I put the question to you. 

Do you believe that the regime in the United States, which has killed 2 million people in Iraq, and over a half a million people in Afghanistan, which is responsible for tens of thousands of deaths of civilians in Pakistan gives a damn about the fate of the Libyan people? Do you think they are concerned about 15 million people being killed by Muammar Gaddafi? Is it plausible that as we speak genocidal operations of the United States with their drone attacks, with their CIA killings and their targeted assassinations across the entire region are suddenly hand on heart and morally upset about the Libyan people? Did they ever raise their voice about the fate of the Libyan people until they rebelled? Never. 

Their intervention is not because of the Libyan people&#039;s aspirations for freedom and self-determination, and for social ownership of the means of production. That&#039;s what the oil workers in Libya are demanding. It&#039;s control over their oil for national well being. The United States, Great Britain, Germany and Italy--Berlusconi who uses the money he makes out of Libyan oil to create a national harem for himself is not interested in the well-being of the Libyan people. Like Gaddafi, his interests are below his waist. 

AMERICAN PEOPLE MUST RISE UP AGAINST US INTERVENTION OF LIBYA .
People must expose the closet zionists and &#039;progressives&#039; who are helping  war criminals at the White house and State department to invade Libya.  Expose the Judeofascists who are pushing for NO FLY ZONE, like in Iraq, which led to Bombing of that country, 1.5 millions deaths, and soft  partition of the country.

Americans must rise up now to destroy zionism/imperialism and US government front, the &#039;progressive&#039;  camp.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Press TV: I&#8217;m glad you mentioned the situation of the people in these countries as you mentioned in Egypt as well such as poverty etc… These US sanctions, the United States said it will impose unilateral and multi-lateral sanctions. Will they just make life worse for those poor people and not affect Gaddafi at all? </p>
<p>Shoenman: You know sanctions are an act of war. The function of these sanctions whether directed against Libya or Iraq or for that matter against Iran. The same sanctions are being directed against Iran as we speak. Their purpose is to facilitate Western industrial control of the resources of the region by cutting off the population from access to needed exchange of goods and material. They impose a political agenda on people who are in revolt against those very same conditions. The intervention in Libya is a godsend for imperialism. Imperialism has been thrown on its heels by this mass uprising. It is the entering of the masses on this historic stage and country after country in the Arab regions and in North Africa. The intervention in Libya is their means of reestablishing colonial control by whatever name. We have to be very clear about this. </p>
<p>Press TV: So you say this is a godsend for US imperialism. Where do you see this ending up, and will Libya if Gaddafi were to step down not be a free country? Would they just replace him with another autocratic ruler? </p>
<p>Schoenman: Well of course they would. The reason I say the mobilization of public opinion against Gaddafi is a godsend for imperialism is because Gaddafi has the image in the minds of large number of peoples because of decades past of being an anti-imperial voice. Consequently, by virtue of the fact they are ascribing to Gaddafi a brutal suppression of his people it gives them a cover for an open colonial intervention. I put the question to you. </p>
<p>Do you believe that the regime in the United States, which has killed 2 million people in Iraq, and over a half a million people in Afghanistan, which is responsible for tens of thousands of deaths of civilians in Pakistan gives a damn about the fate of the Libyan people? Do you think they are concerned about 15 million people being killed by Muammar Gaddafi? Is it plausible that as we speak genocidal operations of the United States with their drone attacks, with their CIA killings and their targeted assassinations across the entire region are suddenly hand on heart and morally upset about the Libyan people? Did they ever raise their voice about the fate of the Libyan people until they rebelled? Never. </p>
<p>Their intervention is not because of the Libyan people&#8217;s aspirations for freedom and self-determination, and for social ownership of the means of production. That&#8217;s what the oil workers in Libya are demanding. It&#8217;s control over their oil for national well being. The United States, Great Britain, Germany and Italy&#8211;Berlusconi who uses the money he makes out of Libyan oil to create a national harem for himself is not interested in the well-being of the Libyan people. Like Gaddafi, his interests are below his waist. </p>
<p>AMERICAN PEOPLE MUST RISE UP AGAINST US INTERVENTION OF LIBYA .<br />
People must expose the closet zionists and &#8216;progressives&#8217; who are helping  war criminals at the White house and State department to invade Libya.  Expose the Judeofascists who are pushing for NO FLY ZONE, like in Iraq, which led to Bombing of that country, 1.5 millions deaths, and soft  partition of the country.</p>
<p>Americans must rise up now to destroy zionism/imperialism and US government front, the &#8216;progressive&#8217;  camp.</p>
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		<title>By: Rehmat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/02/middle-east-protests-continue-for-unmet-demands/#comment-81683</link>
		<dc:creator>Rehmat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 02:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This trouble all over the Middle East has made more urgent for Israel to join NATO for its survival.

http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/02/28/israel-needs-nato-membership-for-its-survival/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This trouble all over the Middle East has made more urgent for Israel to join NATO for its survival.</p>
<p><a href="http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/02/28/israel-needs-nato-membership-for-its-survival/" rel="nofollow">http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/02/28/israel-needs-nato-membership-for-its-survival/</a></p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/02/middle-east-protests-continue-for-unmet-demands/#comment-81668</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2011 18:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[don,
yes, we need  at least 1oomn adults to passively oppose infallibility of u.s. constitution and perfect system of rule which arose out of it.

how far to go to an edequate-viable-effective passivity? well, for me, hunger to death, if necessary, wld be just fine.

but i am not an american. being 80 yrs old is verrry easy for me to die.
however, my wife wld never let me do that. she needs her driver, floor scrubber, cook, washer, and the like.
besides, i&#039;d die from her screams much sooner than from hunger.
   
the other day she asked me, Bob, [she can&#039;t pronounce my name] do u know what feb 14th is? i said, I don&#039;t know, dear! Whhaat?, said my smallhead! Are u once again gonna forget to get me the valentine card??!!

i said, ok, ok. u can get the card or sex, but not both. so, choose wisely! and she chose what?
seriously now: i don&#039;t send out cards-- i am thus saving at least one tree? tnx  
btw? anyone sending out cards, deserves a gaddawful for hisher ruler.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don,<br />
yes, we need  at least 1oomn adults to passively oppose infallibility of u.s. constitution and perfect system of rule which arose out of it.</p>
<p>how far to go to an edequate-viable-effective passivity? well, for me, hunger to death, if necessary, wld be just fine.</p>
<p>but i am not an american. being 80 yrs old is verrry easy for me to die.<br />
however, my wife wld never let me do that. she needs her driver, floor scrubber, cook, washer, and the like.<br />
besides, i&#8217;d die from her screams much sooner than from hunger.</p>
<p>the other day she asked me, Bob, [she can't pronounce my name] do u know what feb 14th is? i said, I don&#8217;t know, dear! Whhaat?, said my smallhead! Are u once again gonna forget to get me the valentine card??!!</p>
<p>i said, ok, ok. u can get the card or sex, but not both. so, choose wisely! and she chose what?<br />
seriously now: i don&#8217;t send out cards&#8211; i am thus saving at least one tree? tnx<br />
btw? anyone sending out cards, deserves a gaddawful for hisher ruler.</p>
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		<title>By: hayate</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/02/middle-east-protests-continue-for-unmet-demands/#comment-81667</link>
		<dc:creator>hayate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2011 18:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So far, in spite of all the hoopla, very little has changed in Egypt and Tunisia. It&#039;s refreshing to read a piece which discusses this, rather than the ones exaggerating the gains the people made, which I see far too many of.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So far, in spite of all the hoopla, very little has changed in Egypt and Tunisia. It&#8217;s refreshing to read a piece which discusses this, rather than the ones exaggerating the gains the people made, which I see far too many of.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/02/middle-east-protests-continue-for-unmet-demands/#comment-81665</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2011 16:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Privatize profits and socialize losses and this was done Worldwide from the little angles granted a few worldwide went along with it and now want to do it again although that could get rather tuff to do in our present stage of development. Why was it done one reason was so we could have the Oscar&#039;s freedom, really.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Privatize profits and socialize losses and this was done Worldwide from the little angles granted a few worldwide went along with it and now want to do it again although that could get rather tuff to do in our present stage of development. Why was it done one reason was so we could have the Oscar&#8217;s freedom, really.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/02/middle-east-protests-continue-for-unmet-demands/#comment-81664</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2011 16:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[lendman:
&quot;What about stopping other regional despots maintaining close Washington ties. What about denouncing America’s imperial madness, responsible for killing millions throughout the region (and elsewhere), directly or indirectly, since the 1980s alone.&quot;

&quot;god bless america&quot; = a proclamation that no matter what u.s. system of rule does to &#039;aliens&#039; and domestics, it cannot do a single wrong.

an individual may make mistakes and be sacrificed to the altar of american infallibility--- not ever the governance!

there is only one god and not two or more. the god is american. the god is one; the planet is one; it belongs to god!

did anyone, who casts the widest look possible, ever thought for a second that american god and hisher supremacists wld be satisfied with just a quarter of &#039;their&#039; planet? tnx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lendman:<br />
&#8220;What about stopping other regional despots maintaining close Washington ties. What about denouncing America’s imperial madness, responsible for killing millions throughout the region (and elsewhere), directly or indirectly, since the 1980s alone.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;god bless america&#8221; = a proclamation that no matter what u.s. system of rule does to &#8216;aliens&#8217; and domestics, it cannot do a single wrong.</p>
<p>an individual may make mistakes and be sacrificed to the altar of american infallibility&#8212; not ever the governance!</p>
<p>there is only one god and not two or more. the god is american. the god is one; the planet is one; it belongs to god!</p>
<p>did anyone, who casts the widest look possible, ever thought for a second that american god and hisher supremacists wld be satisfied with just a quarter of &#8216;their&#8217; planet? tnx</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/02/middle-east-protests-continue-for-unmet-demands/#comment-81663</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2011 16:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[100mn people how about one third pf the people and this whole privatize profits and socialize losses any out rage? We didn&#039;t want to do it but we held our nose&#039;s the devil made us do it but we went to confession on Saturday and now feel much better feel that light wind coming from the west.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>100mn people how about one third pf the people and this whole privatize profits and socialize losses any out rage? We didn&#8217;t want to do it but we held our nose&#8217;s the devil made us do it but we went to confession on Saturday and now feel much better feel that light wind coming from the west.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/02/middle-east-protests-continue-for-unmet-demands/#comment-81662</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2011 16:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[lendman:
&quot;Violence resulted, Iraqi security forces using live fire in Baghdad, Basra, Mosul, Fallujah, Tikrit, and elsewhere. At least 15 were reported killed, dozens wounded. Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani spoke on Al Sumaria Television against demonstrations, saying it would benefit “infiltrators.” Moktada al-Sadr shamelessly said:&quot;

i never thought even fleetingly that islam wld side with justice, peace, caring-sharing society.

in millennia or eons to come, ulema-imams-beys-amirs may put on a human face, but not today.

this evaluation is valid for other cultic &#039;sciences&#039;; which declare selves infallible or a priori true for all time.  tnx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lendman:<br />
&#8220;Violence resulted, Iraqi security forces using live fire in Baghdad, Basra, Mosul, Fallujah, Tikrit, and elsewhere. At least 15 were reported killed, dozens wounded. Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani spoke on Al Sumaria Television against demonstrations, saying it would benefit “infiltrators.” Moktada al-Sadr shamelessly said:&#8221;</p>
<p>i never thought even fleetingly that islam wld side with justice, peace, caring-sharing society.</p>
<p>in millennia or eons to come, ulema-imams-beys-amirs may put on a human face, but not today.</p>
<p>this evaluation is valid for other cultic &#8216;sciences&#8217;; which declare selves infallible or a priori true for all time.  tnx</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/02/middle-east-protests-continue-for-unmet-demands/#comment-81661</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2011 15:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[lendman:
&quot;In fact, there never was, only the illusion that unsympathetic generals were populists at heart. In fact, they’ve been regime hard-liners for decades, rewarded handsomely for backing state repression.&quot;

at the time i did not know this; nevertheless, wrote that i expected army wld side with fascists.
and not to mention world supremacists [fascists, if u like].

they have money [thus can buy killers], tanks, jets, etc.  and above else brutality to stop any movement, protest?

i wonder if passive, but dogged massive resistance, involving at least 70% of pop wld help?

in u.s., one wld need at least 1oomn adults to passively resist present govt in order to evince a change for better! tnx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lendman:<br />
&#8220;In fact, there never was, only the illusion that unsympathetic generals were populists at heart. In fact, they’ve been regime hard-liners for decades, rewarded handsomely for backing state repression.&#8221;</p>
<p>at the time i did not know this; nevertheless, wrote that i expected army wld side with fascists.<br />
and not to mention world supremacists [fascists, if u like].</p>
<p>they have money [thus can buy killers], tanks, jets, etc.  and above else brutality to stop any movement, protest?</p>
<p>i wonder if passive, but dogged massive resistance, involving at least 70% of pop wld help?</p>
<p>in u.s., one wld need at least 1oomn adults to passively resist present govt in order to evince a change for better! tnx</p>
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