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		<title>By: catguy00</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/02/egyptturkey-israel-%e2%80%98a-clean-break%e2%80%99/#comment-81604</link>
		<dc:creator>catguy00</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Feb 2011 03:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Instead of insisting Turkey go to war against israel, why don’t you lot insist your own countries go to war against israel. Insisting that other people fight your wars is exactly what israelis/Jewish zionists do.&quot;

 Who are you talking to?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Instead of insisting Turkey go to war against israel, why don’t you lot insist your own countries go to war against israel. Insisting that other people fight your wars is exactly what israelis/Jewish zionists do.&#8221;</p>
<p> Who are you talking to?</p>
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		<title>By: hayate</title>
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		<dc:creator>hayate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 04:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Put yourselves in the front lines, as well, instead of harping from the sidelines in total safety. That&#039;s another thing Jewish zionists are expert at.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Put yourselves in the front lines, as well, instead of harping from the sidelines in total safety. That&#8217;s another thing Jewish zionists are expert at.</p>
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		<title>By: hayate</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/02/egyptturkey-israel-%e2%80%98a-clean-break%e2%80%99/#comment-81571</link>
		<dc:creator>hayate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 04:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Instead of insisting Turkey go to war against israel, why don&#039;t you lot insist your own countries go to war against israel. Insisting that other people fight your wars is exactly what israelis/Jewish zionists do.

(hint)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead of insisting Turkey go to war against israel, why don&#8217;t you lot insist your own countries go to war against israel. Insisting that other people fight your wars is exactly what israelis/Jewish zionists do.</p>
<p>(hint)</p>
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		<title>By: catguy00</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/02/egyptturkey-israel-%e2%80%98a-clean-break%e2%80%99/#comment-81564</link>
		<dc:creator>catguy00</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 03:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Turkey refused to let US troops use its soil to invade Iraq.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turkey refused to let US troops use its soil to invade Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: Rehmat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/02/egyptturkey-israel-%e2%80%98a-clean-break%e2%80%99/#comment-81560</link>
		<dc:creator>Rehmat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aluf Benn, an Israeli political analyst has lamented that the former US president, Jimmy Carter, will be remembered in history for losing Iran to Islamic Revolution in 1979 – and now, Obama will go in history for losing Turkey, Lebanon and Egypt to Islamists. (read US as &#039;Israel&#039;).

http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/02/01/israels-save-mubarak-campaign/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aluf Benn, an Israeli political analyst has lamented that the former US president, Jimmy Carter, will be remembered in history for losing Iran to Islamic Revolution in 1979 – and now, Obama will go in history for losing Turkey, Lebanon and Egypt to Islamists. (read US as &#8216;Israel&#8217;).</p>
<p><a href="http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/02/01/israels-save-mubarak-campaign/" rel="nofollow">http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/02/01/israels-save-mubarak-campaign/</a></p>
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		<title>By: 3bancan</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/02/egyptturkey-israel-%e2%80%98a-clean-break%e2%80%99/#comment-81556</link>
		<dc:creator>3bancan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Imho Eric Walberg wants to convince his readers that the Jewish colonial genocidal plans for the ME have somehow gone awry - because Iraq is not destroyed enough (too few millions dead for the good of the Jews), Iran has even &quot;been strengthened&quot; (probably by the sanctions of the zionazified &quot;international community&quot;) and there are still some Arabs there who dare to &quot;raise their heads&quot; and not obey the Jewish diktat -  contrary to &quot;the Israeli logic, which is h a r d  t o  f a u l t  (sic!)&quot;. (Obviously the invasion and occupation of Palestine and the genocide of its indigenous population, and the destruction of the neighbouring countries and massmurder of their populations is not enough for the Jewish genocidal overachievers.) The proof for the &quot;failure&quot; is found by Walberg in US officials&#039; complaint &#039;of the “backward-looking nature of Egypt’s military posture”&#039;, in Iranian warships crossing the Suez canal on their way to Syrian ports, in a complaint by a US diplomat that &#039;Egyptian Minister of Defence Muhammad Tantawi “has resisted any change to usage of FMF [foreign military financing] funding and has been the chief impediment to transforming the military’s mission to meet emerging security threats&quot;&#039;, in Arabs not cannibalizing each other at the Jewish diktat, ... in what he interprets as the failure of &quot;the Sharon/ Yinon strategy for establishing Israel as the regional empire&quot;. He mentions that &quot;85 per cent of Israelis approve&quot; of the &quot;peace treaty&quot; - of course he doesn&#039;t mention the reason why.
In spite of all this tragedy he is an optimist:  &quot;While Egyptians have no love for Israel, none contemplate another war against what is clearly a more powerful and ruthless neighbour&quot;, ie, nobody will/should oppose the chosenite barbarians. And after all the - nearly antisemitic - criticism he ends in the typical soft zionazi style: &quot;It will have to join the comity of nations not as a ruthless bully, but as a responsible partner&quot;, ie what they&#039;ve stolen must remain theirs, their crimes against humanity must remain unpunished and the 7 millions Palestinian refugees must not get their land back. This is his Jewish justice.
PS: I find assertions that Turkey is &quot;anti-Israel&quot; baseless. In the interview Turkish President Gül gave a couple of days ago not a single &quot;bad&quot; word vis-à-vis Israel was uttered. PM Erdoğan&#039;s words spoken on his visit to Lebanon (&quot;If the Zionist entity attack Lebanon or Gaza again,  the loser will not only be the people of this region, but also the citizens of Israel&quot; and &quot;Do they think they can use high-tech weapons, phosphorus munition and cluster bombs against children and women, no, we will not be silent we will support justice by all means available to us&quot;) are just diplomatic blather. Quite different from this action of his:
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRB1vQVqdQA]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imho Eric Walberg wants to convince his readers that the Jewish colonial genocidal plans for the ME have somehow gone awry &#8211; because Iraq is not destroyed enough (too few millions dead for the good of the Jews), Iran has even &#8220;been strengthened&#8221; (probably by the sanctions of the zionazified &#8220;international community&#8221;) and there are still some Arabs there who dare to &#8220;raise their heads&#8221; and not obey the Jewish diktat &#8211;  contrary to &#8220;the Israeli logic, which is h a r d  t o  f a u l t  (sic!)&#8221;. (Obviously the invasion and occupation of Palestine and the genocide of its indigenous population, and the destruction of the neighbouring countries and massmurder of their populations is not enough for the Jewish genocidal overachievers.) The proof for the &#8220;failure&#8221; is found by Walberg in US officials&#8217; complaint &#8216;of the “backward-looking nature of Egypt’s military posture”&#8217;, in Iranian warships crossing the Suez canal on their way to Syrian ports, in a complaint by a US diplomat that &#8216;Egyptian Minister of Defence Muhammad Tantawi “has resisted any change to usage of FMF [foreign military financing] funding and has been the chief impediment to transforming the military’s mission to meet emerging security threats&#8221;&#8216;, in Arabs not cannibalizing each other at the Jewish diktat, &#8230; in what he interprets as the failure of &#8220;the Sharon/ Yinon strategy for establishing Israel as the regional empire&#8221;. He mentions that &#8220;85 per cent of Israelis approve&#8221; of the &#8220;peace treaty&#8221; &#8211; of course he doesn&#8217;t mention the reason why.<br />
In spite of all this tragedy he is an optimist:  &#8220;While Egyptians have no love for Israel, none contemplate another war against what is clearly a more powerful and ruthless neighbour&#8221;, ie, nobody will/should oppose the chosenite barbarians. And after all the &#8211; nearly antisemitic &#8211; criticism he ends in the typical soft zionazi style: &#8220;It will have to join the comity of nations not as a ruthless bully, but as a responsible partner&#8221;, ie what they&#8217;ve stolen must remain theirs, their crimes against humanity must remain unpunished and the 7 millions Palestinian refugees must not get their land back. This is his Jewish justice.<br />
PS: I find assertions that Turkey is &#8220;anti-Israel&#8221; baseless. In the interview Turkish President Gül gave a couple of days ago not a single &#8220;bad&#8221; word vis-à-vis Israel was uttered. PM Erdoğan&#8217;s words spoken on his visit to Lebanon (&#8220;If the Zionist entity attack Lebanon or Gaza again,  the loser will not only be the people of this region, but also the citizens of Israel&#8221; and &#8220;Do they think they can use high-tech weapons, phosphorus munition and cluster bombs against children and women, no, we will not be silent we will support justice by all means available to us&#8221;) are just diplomatic blather. Quite different from this action of his:<br />
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRB1vQVqdQA]</p>
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		<title>By: Rehmat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/02/egyptturkey-israel-%e2%80%98a-clean-break%e2%80%99/#comment-81550</link>
		<dc:creator>Rehmat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Turkey has not broken away from Israel - it has just got out of Zionist World (US, UK, France, Germany and EU) and joined its old Eastern roots. Egypt, on the other hand, still has to shake Zionist grip, but unfortunately, there is no Erdogan on the horizon to lead Egypt out of Israeli trap.

Turkey beyond Israeli Hasbara
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2010/10/26/turkey-beyond-israeli-hasbara/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turkey has not broken away from Israel &#8211; it has just got out of Zionist World (US, UK, France, Germany and EU) and joined its old Eastern roots. Egypt, on the other hand, still has to shake Zionist grip, but unfortunately, there is no Erdogan on the horizon to lead Egypt out of Israeli trap.</p>
<p>Turkey beyond Israeli Hasbara<br />
<a href="http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2010/10/26/turkey-beyond-israeli-hasbara/" rel="nofollow">http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2010/10/26/turkey-beyond-israeli-hasbara/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ismail Zayid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ismail Zayid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is time that Egypt and Turkey, two major countries in the Middle East, as well as all neighbouring countries of the Arab world, begin to understand clearly the long-formulated Zionist designs for the Middle East. Besides the formulations, put forward by Oded Yinon, Richard Perle and Avi Dichter, amongst other current Zionist spokesmen, these ideas have been voiced by other Zioinist leaders, including Theodor Herzl and David Ben Gurion, amongst others. Their designs to fragment Lebanon and Iraq , by creating dissension between Christians and Muslims in Lebanon and Kurds and Arabs in Iraq have failed in Lebanon but are making continuing efforts in Iraq, which has been further fragmented thanks to the US-directed invasion of Iraq and the acquiescence of  its allies in the neighbouring Arab states. including Mubarak&#039;s collusion.

The recent courageous revolution in Egypt brings promise and hope that the Arab world will finally wake up to the threats that Israel brings to this area, and become united to bring to a stop these imperialist designs led by the US and Israel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is time that Egypt and Turkey, two major countries in the Middle East, as well as all neighbouring countries of the Arab world, begin to understand clearly the long-formulated Zionist designs for the Middle East. Besides the formulations, put forward by Oded Yinon, Richard Perle and Avi Dichter, amongst other current Zionist spokesmen, these ideas have been voiced by other Zioinist leaders, including Theodor Herzl and David Ben Gurion, amongst others. Their designs to fragment Lebanon and Iraq , by creating dissension between Christians and Muslims in Lebanon and Kurds and Arabs in Iraq have failed in Lebanon but are making continuing efforts in Iraq, which has been further fragmented thanks to the US-directed invasion of Iraq and the acquiescence of  its allies in the neighbouring Arab states. including Mubarak&#8217;s collusion.</p>
<p>The recent courageous revolution in Egypt brings promise and hope that the Arab world will finally wake up to the threats that Israel brings to this area, and become united to bring to a stop these imperialist designs led by the US and Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: shabnam</title>
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		<dc:creator>shabnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[{As the US was putting the finishing touches on NATO (established in April 1949), Turkey became the first Muslim nation to recognise Israel, in March 1949 (Iran did so a year later).}

This statement is misleading.  
Iran NEVER openly recognized Israel, even under the Shah, because the public especially the religious groups were strongly against Zionism.  What had happened was that the Shah allowed a delegation in Tehran which served as an UNOFFICIAL de facto embassy for Israel. 

 The relations between the Shah and Israel were not publicized, but many  people were aware of it,  thus this relations was one of the sources of tension between the Shah and the people in Iran. 
  
Turkey on the other hand recognized Israel from the beginning and continued to this day, despite the fact Turkey wants to pretend her ties has been compromised by Israel’s action at the sea.
 
Turkey, according to her foreign minister, has not received even an apology from Israel forget honoring  one of the  Turkey&#039;s  demand  for improvement of  &#039;relations&#039; meaning “to break  Gaza siege”.  Turkey voted for Israel to enter the OECD after Israel killed many human rights activists at the sea.  Turkey, apparently has forgiven all   zionist crimes against humanity to continue his ties with Israel.

{http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101225/ap_on_re_eu/eu_turkey_israel}]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>{As the US was putting the finishing touches on NATO (established in April 1949), Turkey became the first Muslim nation to recognise Israel, in March 1949 (Iran did so a year later).}</p>
<p>This statement is misleading.<br />
Iran NEVER openly recognized Israel, even under the Shah, because the public especially the religious groups were strongly against Zionism.  What had happened was that the Shah allowed a delegation in Tehran which served as an UNOFFICIAL de facto embassy for Israel. </p>
<p> The relations between the Shah and Israel were not publicized, but many  people were aware of it,  thus this relations was one of the sources of tension between the Shah and the people in Iran. </p>
<p>Turkey on the other hand recognized Israel from the beginning and continued to this day, despite the fact Turkey wants to pretend her ties has been compromised by Israel’s action at the sea.</p>
<p>Turkey, according to her foreign minister, has not received even an apology from Israel forget honoring  one of the  Turkey&#8217;s  demand  for improvement of  &#8216;relations&#8217; meaning “to break  Gaza siege”.  Turkey voted for Israel to enter the OECD after Israel killed many human rights activists at the sea.  Turkey, apparently has forgiven all   zionist crimes against humanity to continue his ties with Israel.</p>
<p>{http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101225/ap_on_re_eu/eu_turkey_israel}</p>
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		<title>By: MichaelKenny</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/02/egyptturkey-israel-%e2%80%98a-clean-break%e2%80%99/#comment-81535</link>
		<dc:creator>MichaelKenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A small aside. one aspect of the &quot;new Egypt&quot; is the about-face of the Al-Ahram journalists. Previously the &quot;semi-official&quot; mouthpiece of the ruling party, the Al-Ahram journalists are now presenting themselves as champions of a free press.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A small aside. one aspect of the &#8220;new Egypt&#8221; is the about-face of the Al-Ahram journalists. Previously the &#8220;semi-official&#8221; mouthpiece of the ruling party, the Al-Ahram journalists are now presenting themselves as champions of a free press.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[world supremacists may now see fascist israel as a liability. i wld say they loath-fear protests in muslim lands. 
these protests are, or seem to be, also fueled by what israeli supremacists [personal and &#039;faith&#039;] do to pal&#039;ns.

if the armies in protesting lands side with protesters, great cohesiveness among fascists build thus far, may severely wane.

world supremacists may find a way out of this huge problem, but at an expense to israel.
in any case, israel wld be rendered much less bellicose, intransigent.  and inhumane!
do we see a possible end of the &#039;jewish&#039; state? hopefully, it comes about! tnx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>world supremacists may now see fascist israel as a liability. i wld say they loath-fear protests in muslim lands.<br />
these protests are, or seem to be, also fueled by what israeli supremacists [personal and 'faith'] do to pal&#8217;ns.</p>
<p>if the armies in protesting lands side with protesters, great cohesiveness among fascists build thus far, may severely wane.</p>
<p>world supremacists may find a way out of this huge problem, but at an expense to israel.<br />
in any case, israel wld be rendered much less bellicose, intransigent.  and inhumane!<br />
do we see a possible end of the &#8216;jewish&#8217; state? hopefully, it comes about! tnx</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[however it may be right now; whatever games are being played, etc., let&#039;s not ever forget an empire&#039;s or a country&#039;s supremacism always won thus far.

and let us not forget that no longer a supremacistic country or empire attacks any other supremacistic country or empire of the same supremacistic &#039;faith&#039; [read, please cult].

in case of the attacks on supremacistic [highly inegalitarian] iraq, and afgh, diff cult may  not be the only cause for fascist invasion of the two very evil empires.
mind u, still much less evil than many others!

iraq had also been socialist to a degree; however, much dysfunctional due to cultic and ethnic divisions! thus an easy target for world fascists! tnx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>however it may be right now; whatever games are being played, etc., let&#8217;s not ever forget an empire&#8217;s or a country&#8217;s supremacism always won thus far.</p>
<p>and let us not forget that no longer a supremacistic country or empire attacks any other supremacistic country or empire of the same supremacistic &#8216;faith&#8217; [read, please cult].</p>
<p>in case of the attacks on supremacistic [highly inegalitarian] iraq, and afgh, diff cult may  not be the only cause for fascist invasion of the two very evil empires.<br />
mind u, still much less evil than many others!</p>
<p>iraq had also been socialist to a degree; however, much dysfunctional due to cultic and ethnic divisions! thus an easy target for world fascists! tnx</p>
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