Update XI: For What It’s “Worth”

In the two weeks, since I published my latest article, “The Phantom Menace: Fantasies, Falsehoods, and Fear-Mongering about Iran’s Nuclear Program,” on December 29, 2010, new predictions and allegations about Iran’s nuclear program have come to light, from retiring Mossad chief Meir Dagan’s assessment that Iran can’t produce a nuclear weapon until at least 2015 and IAEA Director General Yukiya Amano’s admission that “we cannot say that Iran is pursuing a nuclear weapons program.”

I have been posting updates to my article with these new statements and analysis. To read them, click here.

This is the latest:

UPDATE XI: For What It’s “Worth”

I think it’s time we stop, children, what’s that sound?
Everybody look what’s going down

— Stephen Stills

January 13, 2011 — Larry Derfner of the Jerusalem Post has finally weighed in regarding outgoing Mossad head Meir Dagan’s prediction that, were Iran to actually have a nuclear weapons program and was actually trying to build a nuclear bomb (a claim with no basis in fact and without any evidence), the Islamic Republic would not even be able to have a working atomic weapon until 2015, at the absolute earliest.

Derfner, who calls himself part of the dovish “containment” camp, states bluntly his belief that “Iran is almost certain to get nuclear weapons,” though he tempers this assumption with his opinion that “while that’s not good at all, neither is it the catastrophe that the hawks foresee, because Iran will be deterred from using those nukes by the vastly superior ones held by Israel, the US and the other nuclear powers.” He continues, “And since a nuclear Iran would not be a catastrophe, it would be preferable to our starting a war, which would be a catastrophe, and would just delay Iran’s nuclear project anyway, not end it.”

Nevertheless, the article states that Dagan’s assessment presents an even more positive outlook for Israel-first-and-onlyers like Derfner, claiming that, based on Dagan’s conclusion, “sanctions work, sabotage and assassination work; the proof is that Iran’s nuclear project has been going backward.”

Just in case, lest anyone accidentally believe Derfner actually has a heart or any moral compass whatsoever, he then burnishes his Zionist, nationalist, exclusivist, ethnosupremacist, and survivalist credentials by declaring:

Myself, I don’t like starting fights, I don’t like having scientists killed, even Iranian nuclear scientists. I don’t like giving anybody a score to settle against my side. But coming back to the idea that a nuclear Iran, while not a catastrophe, would not be a good thing, would instead be a really bad, dangerous thing, then I have to say that although blowing up some Iranian facilities and killing a few Iranian scientists were risky acts of aggression, they were worth it. They contributed to the hobbling of Iran’s pursuit of nuclear weapons, pushed its goal off by at least several years, so these acts of sabotage and assassination were justified.

And they still are.

They were worth it, he writes, blatantly recalling the despicable words of Secretary of State Madeleine Albright. In 1996, Leslie Stahl of 60 Minutes interviewed Albright about the tragic and genocidal effects of brutal economic U.S. sanctions against Iraq. Stahl asked, “We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?” Nonplussed, Albright immediately replied, “I think this is a very hard choice, but the price, we think the price is worth it.”

International law? Unimportant. The right to live without being murdered? Overrated, at least when it comes to Muslims, Arabs, or Iranians. Pretending Middle Eastern countries that challenge Israeli hegemony are acquiring nuclear weapons, despite the findings of the IAEA and all available evidence? Priceless.

Blithely justifying the murder of millions of innocent children or the assassinations of scientists and academics?

“Worth it.”

Nima Shirazi is a writer and musician from New York City. Contact him at: wideasleepinamerica@gmail.com. Read other articles by Nima, or visit Nima's website.

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  1. Rehmat said on January 13th, 2011 at 9:36am #

    On January 11, 2010 – the paranoid radical Jewish leader of the Zionist regime told a group of foreign journalists that an international military attack, headed by the US, is the only sure way to stop Iranian nuclear program. Bibi even down-played the recent Mossad’s outgoing head, Gen. Meir Dagan’s admission that Tehran is not in the position to produce a nuclear bomb before 2015 and Israel should not attack Iran until it’s attacked by Iran.

    “You have to ratchet up the pressure and … I don’t think that this pressure will be sufficient to have this regime change course without a credible military option that is put before them by the international communitly led by the United States,” he said.

    http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/01/12/bibi-you-got-to-die-in-iran-for-israel/

  2. hayate said on January 13th, 2011 at 1:35pm #

    The simple fact that larry the derfner overlooks is that he himself is a war criminal promoting aggressive war. He should turn himself in to The Hague.

    These ziofascists and their wars and corruption are the single most destructive force on this planet. They need to be given the treatment their spiritual and moral teachers, the nazis got.

  3. 3bancan said on January 13th, 2011 at 1:50pm #

    hayate said on January 13th, 2011 at 1:35pm #

    “These ziofascists and their wars and corruption are the single most destructive force on this planet. They need to be given the treatment their spiritual and moral teachers, the nazis got”

    I agree 100 %…

  4. hayate said on January 14th, 2011 at 1:01am #

    Weekend Edition January 14, 2011

    Gabrielle Giffords, Tom Hurndall and Palestinian Children Shot in the Head

    By ALISON WEIR

    (excerpts)

    “There is something particularly horrifying when someone is shot in the head. Perhaps it’s the gruesome image, the destruction of the brain, the clear intent to kill. The recent shooting of Arizona Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords is made even more nightmarish by the location of her devastating injury.

    Those of us who focus on Israel-Palestine are acutely aware of this horror.

    Several years ago, I was researching the cause of death of Palestinian children killed by Israeli forces during the first months of the Second Intifadah, the Palestinian uprising against Israeli occupation. As I counted up the numbers, I was chilled to discover that the single most frequent cause of death in those beginning months was “gunfire to the head.”

    In the past 10 years Israeli forces have killed at least 255 Palestinian minors by fire to the head, and the number may actually be greater, since in many instances the specific bodily location of the lethal trauma is unlisted. In addition, this statistic does not include the many more Palestinian youngsters shot in the head by Israeli soldiers who survived, in one form or another.

    Gabrielle Giffords

    Ironically, the American Congresswoman recently so tragically shot in the head has been extremely close to the Israel lobby, which has played a critical role in enabling the tragedies sketched above. The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) works year after year to ensure that the approximately $7-8 million per day of American tax to Israel /13/ keeps flowing regardless of how many civilians its troops kill. /14/

    Giffords has been known as “a safe pro-Israel vote in the House” /15/ and could be counted on to support AIPAC’s various initiatives to shield Israel from negative consequences for its ruthless and illegal use of American weaponry. /16/

    She called a 2001 visit to Israel a turning point in her life (Israeli forces killed 103 children that year, 31 of them shot in the head) and wrote in 2006 (a year in which Israeli forces killed 665 Palestinians, 139 of them children, and Palestinians killed 23 Israelis, two of them children) that “the United States must do everything possible to secure Israel’s long-term security.” /17/ Palestinian victims – killed first and in far greater numbers – seem to have been invisible to her. /18/

    [http://www.counterpunch.org/weir01142011.html]

  5. mary said on January 14th, 2011 at 2:16am #

    Good post Hayate and unlike the unfortunate Ms Giffords, the Palestinians shot by Israel will not be fortunate enough receive the same speedy and high quality medical care or the same outcome.

  6. shabnam said on January 14th, 2011 at 1:15pm #

    “Tunisian Revolution” and “Angry Arab”

    Mossad operatives fled Tunisia”
    As you know, per agreement with the US, the Tunisian government opened the country for Mossad terrorists to spy on and to kill Palestinians there (like Abu Jihad, Abu Iyad, Abu Al-Hawl etc). They must have fled: maybe in the same plane with Bin Ali–their patron.
    Posted by As’ad at 11:07 AM
    {http://angryarab.blogspot.com/}

    IMPACT OF THE IRANIAN REVOLUTION ON ARAB PLOLITICS:
    This is big: very big :

    The historical significance of what happened in Tunisia is huge. This is the first time an Arab dictator is overthrown by a popular uprising. It is too early to speculate whether this will or can spread, but I think one lesson is too obvious: the Arab people has realized that overthrowing a regime is much much easer than they had thought. If the Iranian Revolution had an impact on Arab politics, this will certainly has an impact.
    Posted by As’ad at 10:06 AM

    SAUDI ARAB MEDIA are ACCOMPLICES in the crimes of Bin Ali:

    The correspondent of Al-Arabiyya TV (the station of King Fahd’s brother-in-law) is wildly justifying the state of emergency in Tunisia and justifying the shooting of civilians. Arab tyrants rally to the defense of one another. It is a joint criminal order supported by the US and EU–make no mistake about it. This is the Arab state system. No one gets nervous when dictatorial Arab regimes like Israel: it knows that the true reflection of Arab desires and aspiration entail the categorical rejection of the state of Israel.
    Posted by As’ad at 7:59 AM

  7. mary said on January 14th, 2011 at 1:55pm #

    As’ad is, rightfully so, a very angry Arab. I have been reading his blog today, minute by minute, and it is most educational especially on the US and Israeli interference in Tunisia and the tie ups. Good riddance to Bin Ali. I hope the people of Tunisia find their freedom and achieve real democracy.

    This is his biog.
    As’ad AbuKhalil, born March 16, 1960. From Tyre, Lebanon, grew up in Beirut. Received his BA and MA from American University of Beirut in pol sc. Came to US in 1983 and received his PhD in comparative government from Georgetown University. Taught at Tufts University, Georgetown University, George Washington University, Colorado College, and Randolph-Macon Woman’s College. Served as a Scholar-in-Residence at Middle East Institute in Washington DC. He served as free-lance Middle East consultant for NBC News and ABC News, an experience that only served to increase his disdain for maintream US media. He is now professor of political science at California State University, Stanislaus and visiting professor at UC, Berkeley.

  8. hayate said on January 14th, 2011 at 3:35pm #

    The angry Arab on the mossad/cia color revolution in Iran, initially:

    Tuesday, June 16, 2009
    On Iran

    (excerpt)

    “That being said, I support the students and protesters in Iran, even the ones chanting Mousavi’s name. I believe they are putting their lives on the line to fight for greater freedom, accountability, and democracy within the Islamic Republic, and they have to couch that in the language of Islam and presidential politics in order to avoid even greater repression than that which they already face. A friend who is in Iran right now confirms: “half the kids throwing rocks at the police didn’t even vote.” To me, that means that they are not fighting for a Mousavi presidency, but for more freedom, which they must hide under a green Mousavi banner in order to have legitimacy in the eyes of the state.”

    [http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2009/06/on-iran.html]

    And on the mossad/cia covert ops in China using Uyghur cut-outs:

    Saturday, August 01, 2009
    The scandal: Arab and Western media are silent

    “Exiled Uyghur dissident Rebiya Kadeer accused China today of trying to lay a veil of silence over the disappearance of “about 10,000 people” during the unrest in Urumqi, Xinjiang. The head of the World Uyghur Congress has also reproached the United States for its silence over the matter as well. Ms Kadeer arrived yesterday in the Japanese capital to urge the international community to provide support to her people, “massacred” by the Chinese.” The Arab media are not outraged because 1) they are only allowed by their lousy Arab governments or oil sponsors to protest Danish cartoons; 2) becasue some treat China kindly because they think it will emerge as the next Super Power and liberate Palestine for the Arabs; 3) because the Uyghurs are not seen as equal Muslims. Western media are not interested in the story and CNN is not busy with the story as it was covering Iran, and the New York Times did not assign “independent observers” in the region to cover the story for it because China loans the US some $2 trillion a year.”

    [http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2009/08/scandal-arab-and-western-media-are.html]

    In both cases, he initially portrayed some or all the zionist propaganda as facts. On the Iran op, he later realised the israeloamerican involvement was much greater than he initially thought and started covering the op with that much more in mind. On the israeloamerican China op, I didn’t follow up to see what his later postings were and if he realised his mistake there, also. His initial post quoted above is much more sympathetic to that israeloamerican op than his initial views on their Iranian op were.

  9. mary said on January 15th, 2011 at 2:04am #

    Ooops. Do you think that his views on Iran and China diminish what he is saying about Tunisia?

    I see that Bin Ali has landed in Jeddah having been refused entry to several {unnamed) European countries. He will be at home in the repressive Saudi regime.

  10. shabnam said on January 15th, 2011 at 9:58am #

    “Angry man”‘s views on Iran is close to the United States. He is an ARABIST more than anything else. I have notices that most of the Arabists can be friendly to the US but not Iran. They even can be friend with ‘good Zionists’ like Chomsky but not Iran. He like other Arabists of his age are chomskyte who believe “US Imperialist” is responsible for the policy implemented in the Middle East and North Africa where Israel is a client state.
    But ‘Angry Arab’, at least, criticizes Saudi Arabia and other Arab government and has exposed number of Arab Zionists like James Zogby. He, as far as I know, did not buy the Iranian election ‘fraud’ HOAX, but he hates Ahmadinezhad. Have you seen other ‘Arab’ journalists who write articles to criticize the destructive role of the ‘moderate Arab States’, like SAUDI ARABIA, EGYPT OR JORDAN? They talk only about ‘Palestine’. Arab Journalists who write in English and place their articles at this site or other sites rarely write about disaster in SUDAN, Saudi Arabia, Yemen or Somalia. Have you seen them exposing close cooperation of Saudis, Egyptian government with Mossad against Palestine, Iran, Lebanon and other groups? Angry Arab says: Saudis call him a CIA agent since he criticizes them.

  11. hayate said on January 15th, 2011 at 12:53pm #

    Mary

    “Ooops. Do you think that his views on Iran and China diminish what he is saying about Tunisia?”

    Well, he’s angry. :D Angry people don’t always look at the facts and rely upon emotions. His initial responses to events appear more emotional than factual. It’s possible he doesn’t look close enough at first and is therefore influenced by the zionist propaganda, which is usually the loudest sources after any event.

    I don’t really know anything about what is going on in Tunisia so I cant say whether the guy is skewing the facts or not. I hope for the sake of the people of Tunisia that they are not just going to have tweedledum replace tweedledee or that no civil war or anything like that begins.

  12. Deadbeat said on January 15th, 2011 at 2:31pm #

    I don’t trust As’ad AbuKhalil. He comes off as arrogant and his views are rather inconsistent. I use to follow his blog but stopped years ago.

    Here’s an article by Jeffrey Blankfort about As’ad AbuKhalil

    A Debate on the Israel Lobby: As’ad Abu Khalil Among the Missing

  13. hayate said on January 15th, 2011 at 3:53pm #

    Deadbeat

    Thanks, Blankfort confirmed my suspicions about “the angry Arab”. I didn’t voice them because it was on a gut feeling (zio-dar ;D ) rather than based upon detailed knowledge of what he’s written and said. I had not taken the time to investigate his writing. Like you, what little over the years I have seen by him was very inconsistent and I didn’t think he was a reliable source. Though, after reading Blankfort’s analysis, it turns out AbuKhalil is quite consistent, but in exactly the wrong directions.

  14. shabnam said on January 15th, 2011 at 8:56pm #

    This Tunisian victory was not won by employing nativist romanticism, sectarian distraction or religious obscurantism. Tunisians held ‘Power to the People’ signs and posters of Che Guevara rather than the rulings of a cleric. This will have a long-term cultural effect on the Arab world, at least to the extent of the 1979 Islamic Revolution in Iran, which has energised Arab Islamism ever since. (Here I’m remarking on the surprising fact that the first Arab revolution of the age has largely been secular in character, but I don’t wish to trot out a simplistic secular-versus-Islamist discourse. Tunisian Islamists have been as active as everyone else in the struggle, and Tunisian Islamism is very often politically pluralist and reasonably progressive. Rashid al-Ghannushi’s Nahda Party is a good example.)

    Inevitably the events have exposed the continuing hypocrisy of Western governments as well as the mainstream media’s continuing adhesion to ruling class foreign policy concerns. Until the very day of the revolution’s victory the Anglosaxon media kept as quiet as it possibly could. This in marked contrast to its coverage of the Iranian Green Movement, which had a much narrower social base but was cast as a near-unanimous uprising, its martyrs were named and lionised, and reams of nonsense were written concerning the ‘twitter revolution’. Well, here was a secular mass movement calling for freedom and civil rights, using the new media, appealing to universal values, on the southern shore of the mediterranean – and nobody wanted to know.

    {http://pulsemedia.org/2011/01/15/this-is-what-victory-looks-like/}

  15. hayate said on January 15th, 2011 at 9:16pm #

    “Until the very day of the revolution’s victory the Anglosaxon media kept as quiet as it possibly could. This in marked contrast to its coverage of the Iranian Green Movement, which had a much narrower social base but was cast as a near-unanimous uprising, its martyrs were named and lionised, and reams of nonsense were written concerning the ‘twitter revolution’.”

    The zionist corporate media is often silent. They were silent about Kyrgyzstan during the build up, never mentioned Georgia invading South Ossetia under the cover of the 2008 Olympic games (and suddenly discovered several days later that the evul Russians had invaded Georgia). The zionist corporate media ignores a lot of things. Sometimes because they are clueless, sometimes it’s part of the plan and sometimes it’s simply because they have a stick up their arse. When they hype something, it’s obvious ziofascists/fascists are behind the event, but when they ignore something, there is nothing definite as to the reason why. Initially, at least. Sometimes how they eventually play the event tells what was going down.

  16. shabnam said on January 16th, 2011 at 1:22pm #

    I have repeadedly warned people that the wars are waged by the Judeofascists according to Oded Yinon Strategy to establish “greater Israel”.
    The phony ‘left’, western and Iranians have betrayed everyone by being 100 percent silent on partition of Sudan. The green stooges in Iran and abroad is 100 persent in the pocket of the zionism and imperialism and their weblogs are in the service of the western propaganda.

    Now, an Iranian who never has written about Sudan, as far as I know, has produced an article about the tragedy in Sudan. I must say, I am very disappointed about ‘Black Agenda Reprot” who has cooperated with Obama’s agenda in Africa by being 100% silent. Shame on them all.

    The Yinon Plan at work in Sudan and the Middle East

    The balkanization of Sudan is also tied to the Yinon Plan, which is a continuation of British stratagem. The strategic objective of the Yinon Plan is to ensure Israeli superority through the balkanization of the Middle Eastern and Arab states into smaller and weaker states. It is in this context that Israel has been deeply involved in Sudan.

    Israeli strategists viewed Iraq as their biggest strategic challenge from an Arab state. This is why Iraq was outlined as the centre piece to the balkanization of the Middle East and the Arab World. The Atlantic in this context published an article in 2008 by Jeffrey Goldberg called “After Iraq: What Will the Middle East Look Like?” [2] In the Goldberg article a map of the Middle East was presented that closely followed the outline of the Yinon Plan and the map of a future Middle East presented by Lieutentant-Colonel (retired) Ralph Peters in the U.S military’s Armed Forces Journal in 2006.
    It is also no coincidence that aside from a divided Iraq a divided Sudan was shown on the map. Lebanon, Iran, Turkey, Syria, Egypt, Somalia, Pakistan, and Afghanistan were also presented as divided nations too. Of importance to East Africa in the map, illustrated by Holly Lindem for Goldberg’s article, Eriteria is occupied by Ethiopia, which is a U.S. and Israeli ally, and Somalia is divided into Somaliland, Puntland, and a smaller Somalia.

    {http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=22736}

  17. shabnam said on January 16th, 2011 at 2:15pm #

    About 25,000 Iranians have reacted to last week’s crash of Iran Air flight 277 by joining an online protest against sanctions that prevent Iran from purchasing new aircraft and spare parts.

    The protesters believe sanctions undermine aviation safety standards and are therefore to be blamed for a string of air accidents that have claimed the lives of hundreds of Iranians.

    Seventy-seven people were killed on January 9 when a passenger plane with some 105 passengers and crew aboard crashed in northwestern Iran. The Boeing-727 plane, which according to Iranian media was 37 years old, broke into pieces when it attempted to make an emergency landing in a snowstorm near the city of Orumiyeh.

    {http://www.payvand.com/news/11/jan/1149.html}

    Down with zionist stooges including OBAMA & Hillary Rotten Clinton, war criminals, against Iranain people. Down with evil empire. Shame on Americans who are silent funding the killing with their tax money.

  18. shabnam said on January 16th, 2011 at 8:19pm #

    ATTENTION PLEASE:
    I have just read more lies which is called NEWS in the West, that the Zionist stooges including Obama and Hillary Rotten Clinton, are trying to connect Hezbollah and supreme leader, Khamenei, to Hariri’s assassination where was demonstrated earlier that it was designed and carried out by Mossad in cooperation with CIA, MI6 AND GERMAN INTELLIGENT SERVICE.

    The media have already exposed the hand of Washington, Tel Aviv and MI6 in the assassination of the Iranian scientists. The media also exposed the role of CIA/Mossad in the introduction of worm into the Iranian computer at the reactor site WHICH IS A CYBER TERRORISM. United States must be foolish to assassinate Rafiq Hariri in cooperation with Mossad and then frame Hezbollah.

    The United States and Israel used the assassination two years ago against Syria to force Syria out of Lebanon to bring their OWN STOOGE into power funded by Saudi Arabia, a terrorist state. Now, these foolish criminals are trying to use the same assassination, to frame others. The WHOLE WORLD KNOWS WHERE THE WAR CRIMINALS ARE LOCATED. You cannot fool anyone except yourself.

    These war criminals, Black and White, think they can fool the world to continue with their crimes against humanity to change the map of the region through destabilization and partition to erect the “new middle east”, similar to what they did in Balkan, Iraq, southern Sudan. The criminal WEST is using propaganda and TERRORISM to achieve her goal.

    It is important that people of the region regardless of their religious or ethnic divide come together and form a FRONT against Washington, Tel Aviv and the EU and their enablers, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan. People must learn from the Sudan, Iraq, Afghanistan, and other places under occupation and terror of the west where they are trying to take over our market and our resources to benefit their elite.

    Obama and Clinton must be foolish to think that they can deceive people in the region to sell them a piece of LIE like a piece of pie. You may be able to fool your ignorant population but NEVER BE able to fool anyone in our region because our civilization is richer than 7000 years.

    The UN-backed Special Tribunal for Lebanon (STL), is directed to frame Israel’s enemy as ‘assassins’:
    {The STL is expected to indict “rogue” members of Hezbollah in connection with the 2005 assassination of Rafiq al-Hariri. Hezbollah has denied any involvement in the killing of the billionaire former prime minister and has charged that the tribunal is acting as an instrument of Washington and Israel’s intervention in Lebanon.}

    The Obama administration has viewed the tribunal as a means of pursuing its own interests in Lebanon, particularly that of weakening Hezbollah and striking a blow against its principal international ally, Iran.

    {http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=22785}
    Haaretz writes:
    {The report comes just days into Lebanon’s latest political crisis, as minister affiliated with Hezbollah and its allies withdrew from the unity cabinet led by Saad Hariri earlier this week, citing Hariri’s cooperation with the UN-led probe of his father’s killing.
    Saturday’s Newsmax report, also cited by Lebanese news website Naharnet, quotes source close to the UN investigation of the Hariri killing who claimed that the order to assassinate the former Lebanon premier was given by Khamenei.}

    People of the region are firmly against the War criminals and their Zionist stooges, black and white. WE WILL FORCE YOU ALL OUT OF OUR REGION. WE WANT NEITHER you OR your economic system based on USURY which has killed millions of people around the world so far.