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		<title>By: hayate</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/12/wikileaks-what-really-is-the-problem/#comment-77837</link>
		<dc:creator>hayate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2010 18:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hart appears to be losing the plot here:

&quot;When it learned from Wikileaked diplomatic cables that Arab leaders were at one with Israeli leaders in wanting the U.S. to attack Iran, journalism with integrity would have asked something like the following question. “Is Iran really the threat to the region and the world it is alleged to be by Israeli and Arab leaders?”

No, the question that should have been asked was are what the Jewish run, zionist corporate media saying about the content of the released material accurate, or is what they say more of their typical zionist propaganda? Taking what the zionist media says as factual and then trying to counter it with impotent platitudes like:  “Is Iran really the threat to the region and the world it is alleged to be by Israeli and Arab leaders?” does nothing but play into ziofascist hands and gives them total  control over the debate. What you do is point out they are lying and then kick them in the teeth.

And Hart definitely lost the plot here:

&quot;In my view Assange has damaged his own cause by releasing details of facilities around the world which U.S. authorities regard as being vital to America’s national security. By doing so he has given his enemies in governments everywhere what they did not previously have – a fig leaf of justification for their efforts to silence him.&quot;

In other words, don&#039;t do anything the americans don&#039;t want you to and you&#039;ll be fine. Ineffective, useless, just another decoration, but you&#039;ll be fine. And everything will continue as before without any public knowledge of it or desire to interfere.

After a previous article by Petersen about Hart and him seeming to go soft, I posted a comment essentially giving Hart a benefit of the doubt. I was definitely in error about that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hart appears to be losing the plot here:</p>
<p>&#8220;When it learned from Wikileaked diplomatic cables that Arab leaders were at one with Israeli leaders in wanting the U.S. to attack Iran, journalism with integrity would have asked something like the following question. “Is Iran really the threat to the region and the world it is alleged to be by Israeli and Arab leaders?”</p>
<p>No, the question that should have been asked was are what the Jewish run, zionist corporate media saying about the content of the released material accurate, or is what they say more of their typical zionist propaganda? Taking what the zionist media says as factual and then trying to counter it with impotent platitudes like:  “Is Iran really the threat to the region and the world it is alleged to be by Israeli and Arab leaders?” does nothing but play into ziofascist hands and gives them total  control over the debate. What you do is point out they are lying and then kick them in the teeth.</p>
<p>And Hart definitely lost the plot here:</p>
<p>&#8220;In my view Assange has damaged his own cause by releasing details of facilities around the world which U.S. authorities regard as being vital to America’s national security. By doing so he has given his enemies in governments everywhere what they did not previously have – a fig leaf of justification for their efforts to silence him.&#8221;</p>
<p>In other words, don&#8217;t do anything the americans don&#8217;t want you to and you&#8217;ll be fine. Ineffective, useless, just another decoration, but you&#8217;ll be fine. And everything will continue as before without any public knowledge of it or desire to interfere.</p>
<p>After a previous article by Petersen about Hart and him seeming to go soft, I posted a comment essentially giving Hart a benefit of the doubt. I was definitely in error about that.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/12/wikileaks-what-really-is-the-problem/#comment-77831</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2010 18:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i do not see major difference between &#039;jewish&#039; or jordanian supremacists. both deceive, oppress, exploit own people or use them as meat for their wars.

the observation is valid for all societies which tout their languages, culture, lore, &#039;values&#039;, cults, etc.,  as the best in the world.

and they are now uniting with greater alacrity than ever before.  obviously, they expect ever greater clamor for more equality. 
supremacist sees that both the progress and regress is peaking or may have already peaked; both must be reduced.
 but plutocratic  wealth and power must stat the same or even augment.

actually, it is myth that there was progress and regress.  it is better to say progress-regress always existed and always will.
caveat about &quot;always will&quot;?  as long as there is supremacism, it will always be there.
thus, we shld be concerned about regressprogress staying at zero.  american dream shld be viewed as american dreamnightmare.  one cannot exist w.o. the other. tnx

ok, this time i took more than ten words to say &#039;everything&#039;.  my silly small brain just took over . if it wasn&#039;t for my small head calling me for love making i&#039;d
be going on and on even tho i do not get paid per word-- senseful or not! tnx for ur fascist ear.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i do not see major difference between &#8216;jewish&#8217; or jordanian supremacists. both deceive, oppress, exploit own people or use them as meat for their wars.</p>
<p>the observation is valid for all societies which tout their languages, culture, lore, &#8216;values&#8217;, cults, etc.,  as the best in the world.</p>
<p>and they are now uniting with greater alacrity than ever before.  obviously, they expect ever greater clamor for more equality.<br />
supremacist sees that both the progress and regress is peaking or may have already peaked; both must be reduced.<br />
 but plutocratic  wealth and power must stat the same or even augment.</p>
<p>actually, it is myth that there was progress and regress.  it is better to say progress-regress always existed and always will.<br />
caveat about &#8220;always will&#8221;?  as long as there is supremacism, it will always be there.<br />
thus, we shld be concerned about regressprogress staying at zero.  american dream shld be viewed as american dreamnightmare.  one cannot exist w.o. the other. tnx</p>
<p>ok, this time i took more than ten words to say &#8216;everything&#8217;.  my silly small brain just took over . if it wasn&#8217;t for my small head calling me for love making i&#8217;d<br />
be going on and on even tho i do not get paid per word&#8211; senseful or not! tnx for ur fascist ear.</p>
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		<title>By: MichaelKenny</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/12/wikileaks-what-really-is-the-problem/#comment-77821</link>
		<dc:creator>MichaelKenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2010 15:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Manipulation is indeed the world. I think Wikileaks caught the Israelis red-handed in the process of fabricating false intelligence precisely with a view to justifying an attack on Iran. Since the thing has gone off at half cock, Israel&#039;s supporters in the media and eleswhere are trying to make the best of a bad situation by claiming that the intelligence is true and cherrypicking quotes from it. I don&#039;t think, though, that Assange has done himself any damage. He has now become a &quot;cause célèbre&quot; and whatever is done to him will have to be done in the full glare of publicity. Every time he appears in court, he will remind people of the leaked documents. As a means of hushing things up, charging him with rape was about as ham-fisted as it gets! Thanks to Mary&#039;s post, I see he has surrendered himself in London and will no doubt be extradited to Sweden. He&#039;s a lot safer in Sweden than in the UK (Blair&#039;s awful extradition treaty with the US!). I would guess that, so far, at least, Assange has got exactly what he wanted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manipulation is indeed the world. I think Wikileaks caught the Israelis red-handed in the process of fabricating false intelligence precisely with a view to justifying an attack on Iran. Since the thing has gone off at half cock, Israel&#8217;s supporters in the media and eleswhere are trying to make the best of a bad situation by claiming that the intelligence is true and cherrypicking quotes from it. I don&#8217;t think, though, that Assange has done himself any damage. He has now become a &#8220;cause célèbre&#8221; and whatever is done to him will have to be done in the full glare of publicity. Every time he appears in court, he will remind people of the leaked documents. As a means of hushing things up, charging him with rape was about as ham-fisted as it gets! Thanks to Mary&#8217;s post, I see he has surrendered himself in London and will no doubt be extradited to Sweden. He&#8217;s a lot safer in Sweden than in the UK (Blair&#8217;s awful extradition treaty with the US!). I would guess that, so far, at least, Assange has got exactly what he wanted.</p>
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