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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/12/why-are-wars-not-being-reported-honestly/#comment-78513</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 01:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A war between North and South Korea is scheduled to begin on Monday, December 20, 2010 shortly after South Korea holds firing drills near a border with the North. Both countries are in high military alert, and other countries are making preparations in case they will join in. The magnitude of the war is still unknown. It could be an event that last a day or two, with a few dozen to a few hundred causalities, or it could escalate into something much larger, drawing in China, Japan, Russia and the United States. The trigger for the war will be the military exercises which South Korea has chosen to hold near a disputed border with North Korea. It is a show of force by the South. The North has promised a response bolder than the previous, which killed four South Koreans. Persons inside North Korea are urging restraint, including the governor of Arizona who frequently visits the reclusive country.  Mobile Tribune]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A war between North and South Korea is scheduled to begin on Monday, December 20, 2010 shortly after South Korea holds firing drills near a border with the North. Both countries are in high military alert, and other countries are making preparations in case they will join in. The magnitude of the war is still unknown. It could be an event that last a day or two, with a few dozen to a few hundred causalities, or it could escalate into something much larger, drawing in China, Japan, Russia and the United States. The trigger for the war will be the military exercises which South Korea has chosen to hold near a disputed border with North Korea. It is a show of force by the South. The North has promised a response bolder than the previous, which killed four South Koreans. Persons inside North Korea are urging restraint, including the governor of Arizona who frequently visits the reclusive country.  Mobile Tribune</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/12/why-are-wars-not-being-reported-honestly/#comment-78397</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The film The War You Don&#039;t See is on You Tube in seven parts. Well worth watching.
Beginning at -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egcTynu6sBk]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The film The War You Don&#8217;t See is on You Tube in seven parts. Well worth watching.<br />
Beginning at -<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egcTynu6sBk" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egcTynu6sBk</a></p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/12/why-are-wars-not-being-reported-honestly/#comment-78266</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 10:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John Pilger&#039;s new film The War You Don&#039;t See was broadcast on ITV late last night.  It is on their player for one month.  I am not sure if you can use it in the US.

{http://www.itv.com/itvplayer/video/?Filter=198443}

The worst of the monsters he interviewed were Fran Unsworth of the BBC, Head of Newsgathering (in Orwellspeak Head of Propaganda) and Mannion head of ITV News. Pilger exposed them beautifully.
 
A comment on medialens says 
 
Yes absolutely brilliant work. It should have been put on at an earlier time I feel, even though some of the images were horrific - but saying that, maybe people need to be shocked at what the U.K has done? 

I particularly like the part when Pilger took Francesca Unsworth to task over Mark Regev (a Propagandist Pilger rightly called him) given more air-time than any Palestinian equivalent (was there one?) during operation Cast Lead. She said that it wasn&#039;t her job to nominate a Palestinian spokesperson, but the inference from his questioning was that as head of News Gathering she didn&#039;t even bother to look for one - queue her uncomfortable writhing in her chair. 

Mea Culpa’s from Carne Ross and Rageh Omar and a journalist from the Observer (I can’t remember his name though) as well. They all struck me as intelligent men – but really, when you can see that something is wrong shouldn’t you do something about it? Did these people undergo a temporary moralectomy? Also a very interesting comment from Ross about the U.K publics default setting of ‘we can do no wrong in the world’, which has been nurtured and propagated by the media. 

The thing that came across to me was the way that established power has an enormous capacity to twist the truth and this trait has been learnt, honed and specialised over the years. In order to get on in their careers, journalists have to kowtow to established power, otherwise they get shut-out. There is something cancerous and seriously wrong with mainstream journalism presently. 

and another 

Francesca Unsworth came across very badly indeed, she dithered and um&#039;d and ah&#039;d, Pilger is a brilliant interviewer and simply lets those he is interviewing hang themselves. 
~~~~~ 

There was quite a large segment towards the end of the film about tGaza and the attack on the flotilla and the media response to it. Pilger wiped the floor with Unsworth about the use of Israeli propaganda, Regev and the fact that no Palestinian voice was heard or even sought.  ITV accused too of course.  The Guardian have reviewed it today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Pilger&#8217;s new film The War You Don&#8217;t See was broadcast on ITV late last night.  It is on their player for one month.  I am not sure if you can use it in the US.</p>
<p>{http://www.itv.com/itvplayer/video/?Filter=198443}</p>
<p>The worst of the monsters he interviewed were Fran Unsworth of the BBC, Head of Newsgathering (in Orwellspeak Head of Propaganda) and Mannion head of ITV News. Pilger exposed them beautifully.</p>
<p>A comment on medialens says </p>
<p>Yes absolutely brilliant work. It should have been put on at an earlier time I feel, even though some of the images were horrific &#8211; but saying that, maybe people need to be shocked at what the U.K has done? </p>
<p>I particularly like the part when Pilger took Francesca Unsworth to task over Mark Regev (a Propagandist Pilger rightly called him) given more air-time than any Palestinian equivalent (was there one?) during operation Cast Lead. She said that it wasn&#8217;t her job to nominate a Palestinian spokesperson, but the inference from his questioning was that as head of News Gathering she didn&#8217;t even bother to look for one &#8211; queue her uncomfortable writhing in her chair. </p>
<p>Mea Culpa’s from Carne Ross and Rageh Omar and a journalist from the Observer (I can’t remember his name though) as well. They all struck me as intelligent men – but really, when you can see that something is wrong shouldn’t you do something about it? Did these people undergo a temporary moralectomy? Also a very interesting comment from Ross about the U.K publics default setting of ‘we can do no wrong in the world’, which has been nurtured and propagated by the media. </p>
<p>The thing that came across to me was the way that established power has an enormous capacity to twist the truth and this trait has been learnt, honed and specialised over the years. In order to get on in their careers, journalists have to kowtow to established power, otherwise they get shut-out. There is something cancerous and seriously wrong with mainstream journalism presently. </p>
<p>and another </p>
<p>Francesca Unsworth came across very badly indeed, she dithered and um&#8217;d and ah&#8217;d, Pilger is a brilliant interviewer and simply lets those he is interviewing hang themselves.<br />
~~~~~ </p>
<p>There was quite a large segment towards the end of the film about tGaza and the attack on the flotilla and the media response to it. Pilger wiped the floor with Unsworth about the use of Israeli propaganda, Regev and the fact that no Palestinian voice was heard or even sought.  ITV accused too of course.  The Guardian have reviewed it today.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/12/why-are-wars-not-being-reported-honestly/#comment-78126</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 16:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A great example is Beck on the fair and balanced channel. Much of what he say&#039;s is true like tuff times ahead it&#039;s why that is going to happen is where he get&#039;s a big confused. His thinking on so many levels and I guess that of the tea party, freedom work&#039;s and on and on is crazy. Of course the other side is not to far off on not facing the problem, problems the easy way out short term orange chicken and the glass full. So it goes and the thinking tomorrow will be a great example of just that.   Repete the obvious, ok.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great example is Beck on the fair and balanced channel. Much of what he say&#8217;s is true like tuff times ahead it&#8217;s why that is going to happen is where he get&#8217;s a big confused. His thinking on so many levels and I guess that of the tea party, freedom work&#8217;s and on and on is crazy. Of course the other side is not to far off on not facing the problem, problems the easy way out short term orange chicken and the glass full. So it goes and the thinking tomorrow will be a great example of just that.   Repete the obvious, ok.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/12/why-are-wars-not-being-reported-honestly/#comment-78125</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 16:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i do not think that deeming  media owners as a separate entity;  i.e., not being part of other people who own america, depicts reality.

owners of media may change.  over a century ownership of media had changed; now, most of it owned by &#039;jews&#039;.  however, its role in a supremacist structure of society never changes.
and as per intent of the constitution! so, seeing  only  &#039;jews&#039; as evil and not the structure of society, its &#039;laws&#039; [lawlessness], &#039;schooling&#039;, etc., cannot bring us an elucidation. tnx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i do not think that deeming  media owners as a separate entity;  i.e., not being part of other people who own america, depicts reality.</p>
<p>owners of media may change.  over a century ownership of media had changed; now, most of it owned by &#8216;jews&#8217;.  however, its role in a supremacist structure of society never changes.<br />
and as per intent of the constitution! so, seeing  only  &#8216;jews&#8217; as evil and not the structure of society, its &#8216;laws&#8217; [lawlessness], &#8216;schooling&#8217;, etc., cannot bring us an elucidation. tnx</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/12/why-are-wars-not-being-reported-honestly/#comment-78124</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 16:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The important point about all of this is that as people become more and more sophisticated, the believe less and less of what the media pumps out. In other words, those who have “controlled the discourse” have done it so thoroughly that they have discredited the discourse.

  Good one as the regular people I talk with all say the same thing. The dream world the illusion is not working to well although there are still some and man are they in for a big shock. Let&#039;s see Monday the thinking from are great leaders and yes what can we do about it everybody is in everybody else&#039;s pocket. It almost seems the short term thinking is all we got left.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The important point about all of this is that as people become more and more sophisticated, the believe less and less of what the media pumps out. In other words, those who have “controlled the discourse” have done it so thoroughly that they have discredited the discourse.</p>
<p>  Good one as the regular people I talk with all say the same thing. The dream world the illusion is not working to well although there are still some and man are they in for a big shock. Let&#8217;s see Monday the thinking from are great leaders and yes what can we do about it everybody is in everybody else&#8217;s pocket. It almost seems the short term thinking is all we got left.</p>
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		<title>By: MichaelKenny</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/12/why-are-wars-not-being-reported-honestly/#comment-78123</link>
		<dc:creator>MichaelKenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The important point about all of this is that as people become more and more sophisticated, the believe less and less of what the media pumps out. In other words, those who have &quot;controlled the discourse&quot; have done it so thoroughly that they have discredited the discourse. Because the world became accustomed to a certain type of war reporting in the Vietnam era, the &quot;embedded&quot; reporting at the start of the Iraq war, with its permanent string of victories, just didn&#039;t ring true. And after years of telling us that the Soviets couldn&#039;t win in Afghanistan, and in fact, they didn&#039;t, the press just couldn&#039;t get away with telling us that the US was going to sweep to a glorious victory!
Equally, there is the psychological factor. No amount of press propaganda can make people wan&#039;t to do what they fundamentally don&#039;t want to do. Here in Europe, given our history, the one thing nobody wants is any more wars, whether hot or cold.  Thus, no amount of American-oriented press coverage has swung public opinion behind either the American wars or a new cold war. Indeed, American pushing has actually opened up a rift between the US and Europe which even the tame press can only partly hide. Indeed, Mr Pilger&#039;s film is a perfect example of what I mean!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The important point about all of this is that as people become more and more sophisticated, the believe less and less of what the media pumps out. In other words, those who have &#8220;controlled the discourse&#8221; have done it so thoroughly that they have discredited the discourse. Because the world became accustomed to a certain type of war reporting in the Vietnam era, the &#8220;embedded&#8221; reporting at the start of the Iraq war, with its permanent string of victories, just didn&#8217;t ring true. And after years of telling us that the Soviets couldn&#8217;t win in Afghanistan, and in fact, they didn&#8217;t, the press just couldn&#8217;t get away with telling us that the US was going to sweep to a glorious victory!<br />
Equally, there is the psychological factor. No amount of press propaganda can make people wan&#8217;t to do what they fundamentally don&#8217;t want to do. Here in Europe, given our history, the one thing nobody wants is any more wars, whether hot or cold.  Thus, no amount of American-oriented press coverage has swung public opinion behind either the American wars or a new cold war. Indeed, American pushing has actually opened up a rift between the US and Europe which even the tame press can only partly hide. Indeed, Mr Pilger&#8217;s film is a perfect example of what I mean!</p>
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		<title>By: hayate</title>
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		<dc:creator>hayate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 02:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Journalism in wartime is pure propaganda. That&#039;s their job. In the usa, if you spoke out against WW1, you went to jail, I think the plugs even hung a few. During WW2, you wrote pro-war, uncritical pap, or you didn&#039;t work.  Same for Korea and Vietnam (initially). In other countries, also, it was unusual to work as a whistle-blower when there was a war on. What we see now is nothing  new in that respect. The major change is that now the media in the ziofascist/fascist capitalist west is almost wholly owned and operated by a very small unified group of ziofascists. 

One could look on the bright side, it&#039;s a much smaller group of goebbelsian low life to hang after the war criminal trials....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Journalism in wartime is pure propaganda. That&#8217;s their job. In the usa, if you spoke out against WW1, you went to jail, I think the plugs even hung a few. During WW2, you wrote pro-war, uncritical pap, or you didn&#8217;t work.  Same for Korea and Vietnam (initially). In other countries, also, it was unusual to work as a whistle-blower when there was a war on. What we see now is nothing  new in that respect. The major change is that now the media in the ziofascist/fascist capitalist west is almost wholly owned and operated by a very small unified group of ziofascists. </p>
<p>One could look on the bright side, it&#8217;s a much smaller group of goebbelsian low life to hang after the war criminal trials&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/12/why-are-wars-not-being-reported-honestly/#comment-78095</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Dec 2010 20:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think John gave us a good look at how these few think and this very second the control these people have over the media is right out of 1984 not going to happen has happened. Granted it took on a little bit different form than Orwell wrote about he forgot go shopping, buy gold, call call now maybe the other part comes later but I don&#039;t think we will make it that far how they do it now seems to work just fine. Just the weather patterns so far this winter are amazing to see and not one word why. That people is called crazy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think John gave us a good look at how these few think and this very second the control these people have over the media is right out of 1984 not going to happen has happened. Granted it took on a little bit different form than Orwell wrote about he forgot go shopping, buy gold, call call now maybe the other part comes later but I don&#8217;t think we will make it that far how they do it now seems to work just fine. Just the weather patterns so far this winter are amazing to see and not one word why. That people is called crazy.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/12/why-are-wars-not-being-reported-honestly/#comment-78094</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Dec 2010 20:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dan Rather, who was the CBS news anchor for 24 years, was less reticent. “There was a fear in every newsroom in America,” he told me, “a fear of losing your job… the fear of being stuck with some label, unpatriotic or otherwise.” 

    The new&#039;s we get in the United States is not new&#039;s it&#039;s 100% certifiable bullshit, nonsense, illusion and not just about war&#039;s. The level of intelligent&#039;s on a scale between one and ten is about .02 and that could be a high number. If I hear one more time we are doing this or that so people can send there kid&#039;s to college am moving to Canada. I just used that as an example of madness as we all go down the drain in not such slow motion. Corporate controlled for profit bullshit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan Rather, who was the CBS news anchor for 24 years, was less reticent. “There was a fear in every newsroom in America,” he told me, “a fear of losing your job… the fear of being stuck with some label, unpatriotic or otherwise.” </p>
<p>    The new&#8217;s we get in the United States is not new&#8217;s it&#8217;s 100% certifiable bullshit, nonsense, illusion and not just about war&#8217;s. The level of intelligent&#8217;s on a scale between one and ten is about .02 and that could be a high number. If I hear one more time we are doing this or that so people can send there kid&#8217;s to college am moving to Canada. I just used that as an example of madness as we all go down the drain in not such slow motion. Corporate controlled for profit bullshit.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/12/why-are-wars-not-being-reported-honestly/#comment-78089</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Dec 2010 18:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[pilger makes many points i had made over decades [naturally, my letters to eds were never published]
media is part of governance and not an entity appart from it.  media wages not only ignorance [w.o. which one cannot wage any war] but also promotes waging war for poverty.

these two factors, poverty and evaluation of lies as truth, enable warlords to wage their wars; from which they mostly either benefit or they expect to gain large wealth from.
else no war!
yes to pilger&#039;s observation that people not only don&#039;t know, but cannot know! and why?  because of conditioning of children that u.s governance is best [etc.] in the 
world and that u.s has the right make sure it stays that way when it&#039;s attacked or wld be attacked or even threatened!
of course, false flag operations ensure that u.s actually get&#039;s attacked!

this is happened to germans, italians, serbs, japanese and other voelken and not just americans.

people who own media also own weapons manufacture, holliwood, education, corporations; so, it is all one big interdependent and happy family.

it manufactures all salient laws. it solely also interprets them; thus, cannot ever violate even one law.  and the cosa nosa family tells u, we are a nation of laws.
u break one of them and u&#039;r off to jail or w.o. job.
and only we decide who breaks a law! and the wagons aRE CIRCLED! u&#039;r  inside of them or outside.  now, choose! tnx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pilger makes many points i had made over decades [naturally, my letters to eds were never published]<br />
media is part of governance and not an entity appart from it.  media wages not only ignorance [w.o. which one cannot wage any war] but also promotes waging war for poverty.</p>
<p>these two factors, poverty and evaluation of lies as truth, enable warlords to wage their wars; from which they mostly either benefit or they expect to gain large wealth from.<br />
else no war!<br />
yes to pilger&#8217;s observation that people not only don&#8217;t know, but cannot know! and why?  because of conditioning of children that u.s governance is best [etc.] in the<br />
world and that u.s has the right make sure it stays that way when it&#8217;s attacked or wld be attacked or even threatened!<br />
of course, false flag operations ensure that u.s actually get&#8217;s attacked!</p>
<p>this is happened to germans, italians, serbs, japanese and other voelken and not just americans.</p>
<p>people who own media also own weapons manufacture, holliwood, education, corporations; so, it is all one big interdependent and happy family.</p>
<p>it manufactures all salient laws. it solely also interprets them; thus, cannot ever violate even one law.  and the cosa nosa family tells u, we are a nation of laws.<br />
u break one of them and u&#8217;r off to jail or w.o. job.<br />
and only we decide who breaks a law! and the wagons aRE CIRCLED! u&#8217;r  inside of them or outside.  now, choose! tnx</p>
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