where did I sign onto progressive Democrats. I don’t remember putting my signature on that form!

Kevin,

You signed a letter of appeal to progressive Democrats. Here’s the link to the article where readers here can find your signature …

An Open Letter to the Left Establishment

It just so happens that the term “Left Establishment” is a euphemistic substitute for “progressive Democrats”.

This letter is a call for active support of protest to Michael Moore, Norman Solomon, Katrina van den Heuvel, Michael Eric Dyson, Barbara Ehrenreich, Thomas Frank, Tom Hayden, Bill Fletcher Jr., Jesse Jackson Jr., and other high profile progressive supporters of the Obama electoral campaign.

It’s very disheartening to see you make an appeal to Michael Moore who got on his knees with Bill Maher to beg Nader not to run in 2004. Moore then went on to support the pro-war Wesley Clark during the Democratic primaries. Norman Solomon had the audacity to scold the late great Peter Camejo in a “debate” for running in 2004.

All of these “progressive Democrats” knew what was at stake and importance of that electoral campaign in 2004 — that Nader was 3 million new votes shy of the 5% threshold. These progressive Democrats acted as if Bush was so vile that they were willing to sabotage Nader’s candidacy for a Democratic Party victory. Their support for the Democrats in 2004 helped to hollow out the Green Party leaving it and the Left in the pathetic condition we now face.

Back then Kevin you were fully aware that progressive Democrats offered no solution to the tweedle-dee-tweedle-dum duopoly which is why you were as staunch supporter of Nader. To now see you appeal to the “Dark Side” is a DEFEAT to what you and many stood for back in 2004 when there was a real possibility to open up space for a real PROGRESSIVE 3rd Party alternative to the Democrats.

i even think that our civility to one another had been destroyed ca 10 k yrs ago by the samethinkers we have now in canada, u.s, poland, serbia, croatia, italy, estonia, greece, jordan, u.k, france, and the most important u.s state: israel or alaska.

in my language i banned terms like neothinkers; aka, neocons. paleocons or samecons, might be ok!

sorry to think that the samecons don’t change if u just nag them. provided u even cld nag them into doing anything they don’t want to do!

and does one think they read anything– anything at all? with so many interesting reality shows to watch; such as small, big, medium leaks; white-black condoms used, ultimate fighting; palin, beck, shows, etc.

and there is always bush and bushes to beat about! it is entertainment coming outa one’s ears. even i am mightily amused! tnx

Disproportionate role in the development of civilization and now in old twenty ten just on the off chance maybe is taught in school’s, if I ever lost my eye’s; guess what song am listening too.

the label aslo seems to be in- or inter-jected at the middle of the story.
beginnings and endings never enter the picture: the whole picture or reality!

by design? or unawareness? well, readers, please judge! i am only a messenger!

to me “corporate power” is a part of historical record or one cld say: a stream with no begin nor end!
in short, it had been evolving for millennia; wld continue to evolve for millennia unless….

but why even use that label at all? why not say: banking-banksters, cosa nostra, spy-police-army echelons, ‘educators’, clergy, pols, et al forever changing tactics, while telos remains the same! tnx

Time for a little rock and roll.

well, i am still thinking whether to go to bed on 31st at nine or nine thirty smthing.

it wld depend on if my wife wld still be fit to talk with that late at night.
btw, i am still working on a nicer looking ass that my wife or smallhead wants me to have.
just remember, women never get insulted– they get angrrrry! men, on the other side, never get angrrry– they get insulted!
ok! i an now running in circles. positive side on this topic? they are getting bigger and bigger!nx

re: amers voting for wars? not via a referendum and not explicitly or in a legal way.
amers simply vote for an individual.
it’s the sheriff mentality: we got sheriff and also bananas. what else cld we hope for?
tnx

The typical Fortune 500 CEO invests money that she didn’t contribute from her own past savings, but that lacks any external owner capable of exercising any genuine control over it. Corporate management spends other people’s money, amounting to de facto owners of it. Shareholders are conventionally regarded as residual claimants, because in legal theory they have a claim on all revenue that’s left over after after all contractual claims are paid. But in the real world, it makes more sense to say that the shareholder is a contractual claimant with even fewer rights than a bondholder, and that management is the real residual claimant. A shareholder is entitled only to whatever dividend management sees fit to issue, if any. But senior management is entitled to whatever salaries and bonuses they can get, through mutual logrolling with the board of directors. Kevin Carson

{http://c4ss.org/content/5477}

Well Bozh here we go.

While education and organization are critical ingredients to bringing change, this is a slow process and many of the issues the nation faces are urgent. This is why we also pursue acts of protest and resistance. We did this in the health care debate and most recently in the anti-war movement. Resistance has always been an ingredient for bringing change whether it was people sitting in at segregated lunch counters, or blacks sitting in the white section of the bus, or Cindy Sheehan camping outside of George Bush’s ranch. In the next year we will see a growing culture of resistance in the United States.

There seem to me to be a confusion and contradiction in Kevin Zeese though patterns. Education is vital since he is trying to generate a struggle against “concentrated corporate power”. Why is this necessary because unlike the Civil Rights struggle there was no real need to mount an educational campaign about being BLACK. Blacks quickly understood what it meant to be Black in the U.S.

However to challenge “concentrated corporate power” you have to analyze and address the problems:

[1] The pseudo-Left has failed to provide a Marxist analysis and have been withdrawing form Marxism for decades. Even Zeese in this article substitutes “concentrated corporate power” for Capitalism.

[2] This withdrawal has enable a right-wing minded working class that is totally ignorant in how to analyze economic issues from a working class/Marxist perspective.

[3] The Left has failed to educate working class about class and the Left has substituted identity politics for CLASS based politics. Therefore with a working class so unconsciousness it only will weaken the effectiveness of protests. The best example of this is the Tea Party. The Tea Party is a result of the weaken conditions of the Left.

[4] An analysis is then required of WHY the Left is so weak and how it can be restored. As Zeese is well aware, the “Left” failure and active role is sabotaging Nader in 2004 help to weaken the Green Party changes of achieving the 5% threshold. Why Zeese would now sign onto an appeal to Progressive Democrats is dumbfounding.

[5] Another reason why analysis is important is that resistance only from a DEFENSIVE perspective is fundamentally weak albeit it can be a start to build solidarity. However in order to HOLD together there has to be an IDEAL that the struggle is FOR. Today there is real no political-economic vision coming from the Left. The recent health-care debate was fundamentally flawed and really didn’t incorporate the basic needs of most of the poor and downtrodden.

The reason you won’t be any change is that Mr. Zeese failure to offer real thoughtful analysis that is useful to devise a firm strategy and solidarity.

No I don’t think so change those many many to very few. First oil and not sure if these so called powerful take that back I know these so called power in reality are rather weak minded. They will take the easy way out just can’t use known knowledge or reason just instinct and illusion of knowledge. So far seems very clear. Vote for what reason.

That’s what will happen if you keep playing their game, knowing it is fixed, and hoping you might win.

But there’s another answer, one you’re probably not ready for, Kevin. What if the corporations spent billions of dollars to elect their puppet candidates, and nobody voted?

Not voted for independent or third party candidates who wouldn’t have a majority and the seniority needed to make changes, but simply refused to vote–refused to grant the consent of the governed to corporate rule.

When you vote, no matter who or what you vote for or against, you are legitimizing a system you can’t hold accountable, and granting it your consent. I really wish you’d come to your senses and stop.

A liberal, progressive, or Tea Partier, is somebody who thinks our system is broken and needs to be reformed. A radical is somebody who knows that our system is working exactly they way it was supposed to when the framers of our Constitution established a government in a way such that those who owned the country, would always rule the country.

They gave Congress staggered terms so that we could never throw ALL the bums out at once. They didn’t give us the right of recall at the federal level and made Congress the sole judge of its own elections, returns, and qualifications. And they ensured that the popular vote wasn’t the final say and could be ignored or overturned any time the rich didn’t like it.

As I’ve been fond of saying lately, I wouldn’t be so annoyed at those who insist on doing their civic duty, if they would at least remember to flush afterward.

i am not so sure that complaining solely about what a particular administration does amounts to a bean worth of effective resistance.

in fact, the only resistance that ever worked [to whatever effect-- better or worse] anywhere at any time is that of a governmental [but opposing] party obtaining the reins.
in u.s yet to put in congress even one candidate. resistance has no elected person in congress to date.
and u.s is solely governed by ‘laws’. to which cia-fbi-army-police-prez [powers]
sears an allegiance to! that’s the alpha and omega of it all!

now, if americans wld not be killing ‘alien’ children, i cld say, Go ahead! it is ur region; so do as u please! tnx

How Do We Shift Power to the People and Away from Concentrated Corporate Power?
Repeat the obvious repeat the obvious