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		<title>By: hayate</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/12/hacktivism-for-cyber-democracy/#comment-78350</link>
		<dc:creator>hayate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2010 03:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Deadbeat said on December 16th, 2010 at 2:59pm #

&quot;I agree with you hayate but look at whom the left-end of the spectrum is sticking their “necks” out for. Could this be part of the set up to fulfill Joe Lieberman’s dream of curtailing access to the Internet?&quot;

No doubt about lieberman and internet censorship and no doubt there&#039;s a set up in that respect. &quot;Left end of the  political spectrum&quot; was a poor choice of phrase on my part, as there is support for wikileaks from  right to left - outside of the neocons, of course (but then neocons are against everything except goat buggery. ;D ).

A lot of the support for wikileaks is not support for the org itself, but support for what wilikeaks represent. The whistle blowing of corruption and behind the scenes duplicity. That&#039;s where I&#039;m at. I think this planet could do with a lot more whistle blowing orgs.

There is also the possibility that certain people are supporting wikileaks as a way to slip in another zionist co-opter org that will deflect scrutiny of ziofascism, inc. while slyly promoting ziofascism, inc. criminal policy. There is enough known about wikileaks and the people in charge of it (this has been already extensively documented on this site), that I&#039;m rather dubious about their motivations. I&#039;m not comfortable with wikileaks becoming the microsoft of whistle blowing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deadbeat said on December 16th, 2010 at 2:59pm #</p>
<p>&#8220;I agree with you hayate but look at whom the left-end of the spectrum is sticking their “necks” out for. Could this be part of the set up to fulfill Joe Lieberman’s dream of curtailing access to the Internet?&#8221;</p>
<p>No doubt about lieberman and internet censorship and no doubt there&#8217;s a set up in that respect. &#8220;Left end of the  political spectrum&#8221; was a poor choice of phrase on my part, as there is support for wikileaks from  right to left &#8211; outside of the neocons, of course (but then neocons are against everything except goat buggery. ;D ).</p>
<p>A lot of the support for wikileaks is not support for the org itself, but support for what wilikeaks represent. The whistle blowing of corruption and behind the scenes duplicity. That&#8217;s where I&#8217;m at. I think this planet could do with a lot more whistle blowing orgs.</p>
<p>There is also the possibility that certain people are supporting wikileaks as a way to slip in another zionist co-opter org that will deflect scrutiny of ziofascism, inc. while slyly promoting ziofascism, inc. criminal policy. There is enough known about wikileaks and the people in charge of it (this has been already extensively documented on this site), that I&#8217;m rather dubious about their motivations. I&#8217;m not comfortable with wikileaks becoming the microsoft of whistle blowing.</p>
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		<title>By: shabnam</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/12/hacktivism-for-cyber-democracy/#comment-78343</link>
		<dc:creator>shabnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 23:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kim

Thank you for your comment. I don’t want the governments to operate in secrecy like you do. However, majority of these informations were not ‘secret’ and was expected. However, the kind of information that was ‘leaked’ at specific time is suspicious to me. These ‘leaks’ have been released by a person who not only has no record of activism in his file but also has supported the official lies about 9/11 given by the establishment. He has never shown reservations against lies of the US imperialism earlier until now. He, suddenly, wants to ‘leak’ establishment’s dirty secrets. It is very strange to me indeed.

He has received ‘Awards’, like many Iranians who work with NED, from the same organizations and foundations to buy him ‘credibility’. The following line:
{Now look at the names that support WikiLeaks and Assange in a given petition :}
was misplaced and should have been after “CPD Supports Assange and Manning.” Sorry about that.

Chomsky and Daniel Ellsberg are CPD SUPPORTERS. The following can be found at CPD website:

{CPD Supports Assange and Manning
Dear Friend of the Campaign for Peace and Democracy,
CPD supports the heroic work of Julian Assange and Wikleaks — and, if he was the individual who obtained the Wikileaks cables, Bradley Manning. We hope these revelations will help to mobilize the American public against the terrible U.S. wars on Afghanistan and Pakistan. More broadly, Wikileaks can help to educate Americans about the cynical manipulations of other countries by the United States, and the need for a fundamentally new, democratic and just U.S. foreign policy.}

{http://warisacrime.org/irannews}]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim</p>
<p>Thank you for your comment. I don’t want the governments to operate in secrecy like you do. However, majority of these informations were not ‘secret’ and was expected. However, the kind of information that was ‘leaked’ at specific time is suspicious to me. These ‘leaks’ have been released by a person who not only has no record of activism in his file but also has supported the official lies about 9/11 given by the establishment. He has never shown reservations against lies of the US imperialism earlier until now. He, suddenly, wants to ‘leak’ establishment’s dirty secrets. It is very strange to me indeed.</p>
<p>He has received ‘Awards’, like many Iranians who work with NED, from the same organizations and foundations to buy him ‘credibility’. The following line:<br />
{Now look at the names that support WikiLeaks and Assange in a given petition :}<br />
was misplaced and should have been after “CPD Supports Assange and Manning.” Sorry about that.</p>
<p>Chomsky and Daniel Ellsberg are CPD SUPPORTERS. The following can be found at CPD website:</p>
<p>{CPD Supports Assange and Manning<br />
Dear Friend of the Campaign for Peace and Democracy,<br />
CPD supports the heroic work of Julian Assange and Wikleaks — and, if he was the individual who obtained the Wikileaks cables, Bradley Manning. We hope these revelations will help to mobilize the American public against the terrible U.S. wars on Afghanistan and Pakistan. More broadly, Wikileaks can help to educate Americans about the cynical manipulations of other countries by the United States, and the need for a fundamentally new, democratic and just U.S. foreign policy.}</p>
<p>{http://warisacrime.org/irannews}</p>
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		<title>By: shabnam</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/12/hacktivism-for-cyber-democracy/#comment-78341</link>
		<dc:creator>shabnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 22:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[{Could this be part of the set up to fulfill Joe Lieberman’s dream of curtailing access to the Internet? }

I agree with you Deadbeat.  This  like &#039; piracy in Somalia&#039; which was a cover  for Israel and US to bring the Red Sea  and Suez Canal under more control of the West,  has an intention to limit  freedom of speech at the Internet even further.  

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Critic   of CPD  by  Phil Wilayto:

{http://warisacrime.org/content/two-petitions-two-approaches-toward-defending-iran}

Critic of CPD and its supporters by Gowans:

{http://redantliberationarmy.wordpress.com/2010/11/14/wilayto-vs-landy/}]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>{Could this be part of the set up to fulfill Joe Lieberman’s dream of curtailing access to the Internet? }</p>
<p>I agree with you Deadbeat.  This  like &#8216; piracy in Somalia&#8217; which was a cover  for Israel and US to bring the Red Sea  and Suez Canal under more control of the West,  has an intention to limit  freedom of speech at the Internet even further.  </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Critic   of CPD  by  Phil Wilayto:</p>
<p>{http://warisacrime.org/content/two-petitions-two-approaches-toward-defending-iran}</p>
<p>Critic of CPD and its supporters by Gowans:</p>
<p>{http://redantliberationarmy.wordpress.com/2010/11/14/wilayto-vs-landy/}</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Petersen</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/12/hacktivism-for-cyber-democracy/#comment-78340</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Petersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 22:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shabham,
I share your skepticism to CPD and Wikileaks. However, the petition is not about supporting CPD, Wikileaks, or Assange. That is disingenuous. The petition respondents about &quot;condemn[ing] the array of threats and attacks on the journalist organization WikiLeaks.&quot;
Would you prefer governments to have the power to operate in secrecy and to shut down organizations that threaten that secrecy?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shabham,<br />
I share your skepticism to CPD and Wikileaks. However, the petition is not about supporting CPD, Wikileaks, or Assange. That is disingenuous. The petition respondents about &#8220;condemn[ing] the array of threats and attacks on the journalist organization WikiLeaks.&#8221;<br />
Would you prefer governments to have the power to operate in secrecy and to shut down organizations that threaten that secrecy?</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/12/hacktivism-for-cyber-democracy/#comment-78337</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 21:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with you hayate but look at whom the left-end of the spectrum is sticking their &quot;necks&quot; out for.  Could this be part of the set up to fulfill Joe Lieberman&#039;s dream of curtailing access to the Internet?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you hayate but look at whom the left-end of the spectrum is sticking their &#8220;necks&#8221; out for.  Could this be part of the set up to fulfill Joe Lieberman&#8217;s dream of curtailing access to the Internet?</p>
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		<title>By: hayate</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/12/hacktivism-for-cyber-democracy/#comment-78330</link>
		<dc:creator>hayate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 18:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Disrupting websites is nothing new. It&#039;s been going on since the web became public. The new aspect here is this time it&#039;s being done by more or less those towards the left end of the political spectrum, as opposed to by guv agents and the far right. Previously, it was operatives associated with the israeli and american guvs who did most of the disruption, so naturally, it wasn&#039;t news to the zionist corporate media, the hackers were on their side.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disrupting websites is nothing new. It&#8217;s been going on since the web became public. The new aspect here is this time it&#8217;s being done by more or less those towards the left end of the political spectrum, as opposed to by guv agents and the far right. Previously, it was operatives associated with the israeli and american guvs who did most of the disruption, so naturally, it wasn&#8217;t news to the zionist corporate media, the hackers were on their side.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/12/hacktivism-for-cyber-democracy/#comment-78326</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yes, to asking, How can NYT, et al be truthful about any leak whatever?  while all corporate media behaves and acts as an arm of u.s system of rule!

so what happened after ellsberg&#039;s leaks? worsening!  that&#039;s what happened!
how about the new leaks [mostly weak leaks]? what is gonna happen after the dust settles dwn?
i say, worsenings!  for &#039;aliens&#039;  and many domestics!  and why are so many &#039;jews&#039; and zionists  defending wikileaks?
tnx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, to asking, How can NYT, et al be truthful about any leak whatever?  while all corporate media behaves and acts as an arm of u.s system of rule!</p>
<p>so what happened after ellsberg&#8217;s leaks? worsening!  that&#8217;s what happened!<br />
how about the new leaks [mostly weak leaks]? what is gonna happen after the dust settles dwn?<br />
i say, worsenings!  for &#8216;aliens&#8217;  and many domestics!  and why are so many &#8216;jews&#8217; and zionists  defending wikileaks?<br />
tnx</p>
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		<title>By: shabnam</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/12/hacktivism-for-cyber-democracy/#comment-78321</link>
		<dc:creator>shabnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 16:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chomsky and Chomskyte have given their support to WikiLeaks and Assange by signing a petition.  Many of these people also are supporter of CPD, campaign for Peace and Democracy, a US government front in my opinion, who has fooled the public by their reactionary slogans to help US war agenda, then against Iraq and now against Iran.  CPD has written on their website: CPD Supports Assange and Manning.    Look who supports CPD:
Ervand Abrahamian, Bashir Abu-Manneh, Janet Afary, Michael Albert, Kevin B. Anderson, Stanley Aronowitz, Ed Asner, David Barsamian, Rosalyn Baxandall, Eileen Boris, Sam Bottone, Laura Boylan, MD, Richard J. Brown, MD, Leslie Cagan, Roane Carey, Tim Carpenter, Donna Cartwright, Noam Chomsky, Joshua Cohen, Margaret W. Crane, M. Phyllis Cunningham, Gail Daneker, Manuela Dobos, Ariel Dorfman, Martin Duberman, Lisa Duggan, Steve Early, Carolyn Eisenberg, Daniel Ellsberg, Mark Engler, Jodie Evans, Gertrude Ezorsky, Samuel Farber, Thomas M. Fasy, MD, John Feffer, Adam Finger, Barry Finger, David Friedman, Robert (Gabe) Gabrielsky, Barbara Garson, Jack Gerson, Joseph Gerson, Hadi Ghaemi, Jana Glivicka, Suzanne Gordon, John D. Gorman, Arun Gupta, Ernest Haberkern, Mina Hamilton, David Hartsough, Nader Hashemi , Howie Hawkins, Judith Hempfling, Bill Henning, Michael Hirsch, Adam Hochschild, Nancy Holmstrom, Doug Ireland, Marianne Jackson, Mark C. Johnson, PhD, Richard Kim, Naomi Klein, Dan La Botz, Nydia Leaf, Roger Leisner, Jesse Lemisch, Sue Leonard, Nelson Lichtenstein, Amy Littlefield, Martha Livingston, Marvin Mandell, Nasir A. Mansoor, Dave Marsh, Kevin Martin, Michael McCally, MD, PhD, Scott McLemee, David McReynolds, Rabbi Michael Lerner, Erika Munk, Mary Nolan, Mary E. O&#039;Brien, MD, Derrick O&#039;Keefe, David Oakford, Christopher Phelps, Charlotte Phillips, MD, Judith Podore Ward, Danny Postel, Betty Reid Mandell, Leonard Rodberg, Ruth Rosen, Peter Rothberg, Matthew Rothschild, John Sanbonmatsu, Jennifer Scarlott, Jay Schaffner, Bill Scheuer, Jason Schulman, Peter O. Schwartz, Stephen Shalom, Alix Kates Shulman, Alice Slater, Stephen Soldz, Cheryl Stevenson, David Swanson, Jan Tamas, Chris Toensing, Bernard Tuchman, David Vine, Lois Weiner, Steve Weissman, Suzi Weissman, Naomi Weisstein, Chris Wells, Cornel West, Reginald Wilson, Emira Woods, Kent Worcester and Julia Wrigley 

Now look at the names that support WikiLeaks and Assange in a given petition: 

As journalists, activists, artists, scholars and citizens, we condemn the array of threats and attacks on the journalist organization WikiLeaks. After the website&#039;s decision, in collaboration with several international media organizations, to publish hundreds of classified State Department diplomatic cables, many pundits, commentators and prominent U.S. politicians have called for harsh actions to be taken to shut down WikiLeaks&#039; operations. 

Daniel Ellsberg 
Noam Chomsky 
Glenn Greenwald (Salon) 
Barbara Ehrenreich 
Arundhati Roy (author)
Medea Benjamin (Code Pink) 
Tom Morello (musician) 
John Nichols (The Nation) 
Craig Brown (CommonDreams) 
Glen Ford (Black Agenda Report) 
DeeDee Halleck (Waves of Change, Deep Dish Network) 
Norman Solomon (author, War Made Easy) 
Tom Hayden 
Fatima Bhutto (author) 
….
http://www.zcommunications.org/we-support-wikileaks-by-many-authors

Chomsky and Assange both have no disagreement with the official story of 9/11 given by the US imperialism and Zionism and call those who have reservation, conspirator theorists.  How a person can trust Assange who has never shown any activity or disagreement against the establishment wants to ‘inform’ people and ‘leaks’ the ‘secrets’?  Only a fool will buy the lies of imperialists/Zionists enablers.
Chomsky who is against the US imperialism was invited to US Military Academy at West Point in 2006. The media reported:

On Just War Theory and the Invasion of Iraq
57:18 - 3 years ago 
From the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, Noam Chomsky talks to West Point cadets about just war theory and the invasion of Iraq. During the talk, Professor Chomsky criticizes the work of Michael Walzer, an influential proponent of just war theory and the author of the popular &quot;Just and Unjust Wars.&quot; Following his remarks, Professor Chomsky takes questions from the cadets about international law and the Bush administration&#039;s foreign policy. The talk took place on April 20, 2006]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chomsky and Chomskyte have given their support to WikiLeaks and Assange by signing a petition.  Many of these people also are supporter of CPD, campaign for Peace and Democracy, a US government front in my opinion, who has fooled the public by their reactionary slogans to help US war agenda, then against Iraq and now against Iran.  CPD has written on their website: CPD Supports Assange and Manning.    Look who supports CPD:<br />
Ervand Abrahamian, Bashir Abu-Manneh, Janet Afary, Michael Albert, Kevin B. Anderson, Stanley Aronowitz, Ed Asner, David Barsamian, Rosalyn Baxandall, Eileen Boris, Sam Bottone, Laura Boylan, MD, Richard J. Brown, MD, Leslie Cagan, Roane Carey, Tim Carpenter, Donna Cartwright, Noam Chomsky, Joshua Cohen, Margaret W. Crane, M. Phyllis Cunningham, Gail Daneker, Manuela Dobos, Ariel Dorfman, Martin Duberman, Lisa Duggan, Steve Early, Carolyn Eisenberg, Daniel Ellsberg, Mark Engler, Jodie Evans, Gertrude Ezorsky, Samuel Farber, Thomas M. Fasy, MD, John Feffer, Adam Finger, Barry Finger, David Friedman, Robert (Gabe) Gabrielsky, Barbara Garson, Jack Gerson, Joseph Gerson, Hadi Ghaemi, Jana Glivicka, Suzanne Gordon, John D. Gorman, Arun Gupta, Ernest Haberkern, Mina Hamilton, David Hartsough, Nader Hashemi , Howie Hawkins, Judith Hempfling, Bill Henning, Michael Hirsch, Adam Hochschild, Nancy Holmstrom, Doug Ireland, Marianne Jackson, Mark C. Johnson, PhD, Richard Kim, Naomi Klein, Dan La Botz, Nydia Leaf, Roger Leisner, Jesse Lemisch, Sue Leonard, Nelson Lichtenstein, Amy Littlefield, Martha Livingston, Marvin Mandell, Nasir A. Mansoor, Dave Marsh, Kevin Martin, Michael McCally, MD, PhD, Scott McLemee, David McReynolds, Rabbi Michael Lerner, Erika Munk, Mary Nolan, Mary E. O&#8217;Brien, MD, Derrick O&#8217;Keefe, David Oakford, Christopher Phelps, Charlotte Phillips, MD, Judith Podore Ward, Danny Postel, Betty Reid Mandell, Leonard Rodberg, Ruth Rosen, Peter Rothberg, Matthew Rothschild, John Sanbonmatsu, Jennifer Scarlott, Jay Schaffner, Bill Scheuer, Jason Schulman, Peter O. Schwartz, Stephen Shalom, Alix Kates Shulman, Alice Slater, Stephen Soldz, Cheryl Stevenson, David Swanson, Jan Tamas, Chris Toensing, Bernard Tuchman, David Vine, Lois Weiner, Steve Weissman, Suzi Weissman, Naomi Weisstein, Chris Wells, Cornel West, Reginald Wilson, Emira Woods, Kent Worcester and Julia Wrigley </p>
<p>Now look at the names that support WikiLeaks and Assange in a given petition: </p>
<p>As journalists, activists, artists, scholars and citizens, we condemn the array of threats and attacks on the journalist organization WikiLeaks. After the website&#8217;s decision, in collaboration with several international media organizations, to publish hundreds of classified State Department diplomatic cables, many pundits, commentators and prominent U.S. politicians have called for harsh actions to be taken to shut down WikiLeaks&#8217; operations. </p>
<p>Daniel Ellsberg<br />
Noam Chomsky<br />
Glenn Greenwald (Salon)<br />
Barbara Ehrenreich<br />
Arundhati Roy (author)<br />
Medea Benjamin (Code Pink)<br />
Tom Morello (musician)<br />
John Nichols (The Nation)<br />
Craig Brown (CommonDreams)<br />
Glen Ford (Black Agenda Report)<br />
DeeDee Halleck (Waves of Change, Deep Dish Network)<br />
Norman Solomon (author, War Made Easy)<br />
Tom Hayden<br />
Fatima Bhutto (author)<br />
….<br />
<a href="http://www.zcommunications.org/we-support-wikileaks-by-many-authors" rel="nofollow">http://www.zcommunications.org/we-support-wikileaks-by-many-authors</a></p>
<p>Chomsky and Assange both have no disagreement with the official story of 9/11 given by the US imperialism and Zionism and call those who have reservation, conspirator theorists.  How a person can trust Assange who has never shown any activity or disagreement against the establishment wants to ‘inform’ people and ‘leaks’ the ‘secrets’?  Only a fool will buy the lies of imperialists/Zionists enablers.<br />
Chomsky who is against the US imperialism was invited to US Military Academy at West Point in 2006. The media reported:</p>
<p>On Just War Theory and the Invasion of Iraq<br />
57:18 &#8211; 3 years ago<br />
From the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, Noam Chomsky talks to West Point cadets about just war theory and the invasion of Iraq. During the talk, Professor Chomsky criticizes the work of Michael Walzer, an influential proponent of just war theory and the author of the popular &#8220;Just and Unjust Wars.&#8221; Following his remarks, Professor Chomsky takes questions from the cadets about international law and the Bush administration&#8217;s foreign policy. The talk took place on April 20, 2006</p>
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