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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/12/extremism-in-the-defense-of-survival/#comment-78656</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 12:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Obama administration is planning to accelerate new greenhouse-gas regulations for power plants and oil refineries amid stiff opposition from industry and congressional Republicans. 

The administration is also escalating a clash with Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who has refused to sign on to its climate agenda.

The Environmental Protection Agency is expected to announce Thursday that it will propose standards for controlling greenhouse-gas emissions from U.S. power plants by July 2011 and for refineries by December 2011. 

The proposed new power-plant regulations are likely to limit the amount of carbon dioxide a facility can emit for each megawatt hour of electricity produced, a person familiar with the agency&#039;s plans said.

That could compel utilities to switch from relatively cheap coal to cleaner sources of energy, including natural gas, wind or nuclear power. Utilities that rely heavily on coal have expressed concerns such a shift could cause electricity prices to rise.  WSJ

Cause electricity prices to rise there is a much simpler plan but I guess complex is better.  Can hardly wait to see Texas Gov. Rick Perry on TV do you think he will cry seems to be all the rage lately.  Maybe we will hear the show must go on. If we wish to survive just maybe the show the one we see now doesn&#039;t need to go on. Can a State still succeed from the union as if they can would they have to turn in there weapons you know the bigger ones as I&#039;ve seen some of these old boy&#039;s on TV and they seem to live in an alternate reality and or whatever they are taking doesn&#039;t seem to be doing them much good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Obama administration is planning to accelerate new greenhouse-gas regulations for power plants and oil refineries amid stiff opposition from industry and congressional Republicans. </p>
<p>The administration is also escalating a clash with Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who has refused to sign on to its climate agenda.</p>
<p>The Environmental Protection Agency is expected to announce Thursday that it will propose standards for controlling greenhouse-gas emissions from U.S. power plants by July 2011 and for refineries by December 2011. </p>
<p>The proposed new power-plant regulations are likely to limit the amount of carbon dioxide a facility can emit for each megawatt hour of electricity produced, a person familiar with the agency&#8217;s plans said.</p>
<p>That could compel utilities to switch from relatively cheap coal to cleaner sources of energy, including natural gas, wind or nuclear power. Utilities that rely heavily on coal have expressed concerns such a shift could cause electricity prices to rise.  WSJ</p>
<p>Cause electricity prices to rise there is a much simpler plan but I guess complex is better.  Can hardly wait to see Texas Gov. Rick Perry on TV do you think he will cry seems to be all the rage lately.  Maybe we will hear the show must go on. If we wish to survive just maybe the show the one we see now doesn&#8217;t need to go on. Can a State still succeed from the union as if they can would they have to turn in there weapons you know the bigger ones as I&#8217;ve seen some of these old boy&#8217;s on TV and they seem to live in an alternate reality and or whatever they are taking doesn&#8217;t seem to be doing them much good.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/12/extremism-in-the-defense-of-survival/#comment-78637</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 20:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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  GOES 11 at least we will all get a great view of the destruction. Type in GOES 11 NASA search engine.]]></description>
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<p>  GOES 11 at least we will all get a great view of the destruction. Type in GOES 11 NASA search engine.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/12/extremism-in-the-defense-of-survival/#comment-78618</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I sent this to CNBC this morning and I have been sending them e-mails for about 11 years let&#039;s just say they all know more about climate change than they would like. Well they sent me this e-mail back you know I got from the postmaster failed, failure so I guess thinking has now been banned, oh well.    

Aha,

  17 feet of snow in a few places California. Now let&#039;s use that little bit bigger brain a 7 store building got that. So wikileaks is going to release a little on BofA I know maybe we could pass a few new law&#039;s bring up being unamerican. The good the bad and the ugly heck let&#039;s just see a few pit one side against another nice cup of coffee game of checkers. Heck let&#039;s use that bigger brain again, it was the year 2014 and................................................?  

       Moisture and cold air where does the moisture come from and the cold air why is a good word.  Has this thinking been banned, really and who is giving the orders. 

     Don]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sent this to CNBC this morning and I have been sending them e-mails for about 11 years let&#8217;s just say they all know more about climate change than they would like. Well they sent me this e-mail back you know I got from the postmaster failed, failure so I guess thinking has now been banned, oh well.    </p>
<p>Aha,</p>
<p>  17 feet of snow in a few places California. Now let&#8217;s use that little bit bigger brain a 7 store building got that. So wikileaks is going to release a little on BofA I know maybe we could pass a few new law&#8217;s bring up being unamerican. The good the bad and the ugly heck let&#8217;s just see a few pit one side against another nice cup of coffee game of checkers. Heck let&#8217;s use that bigger brain again, it was the year 2014 and&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;?  </p>
<p>       Moisture and cold air where does the moisture come from and the cold air why is a good word.  Has this thinking been banned, really and who is giving the orders. </p>
<p>     Don</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/12/extremism-in-the-defense-of-survival/#comment-78615</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 13:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[{http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2010/20101221_McKibbenQA.pdf}

   New from James Hansen and James this is a good one.]]></description>
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<p>   New from James Hansen and James this is a good one.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/12/extremism-in-the-defense-of-survival/#comment-78603</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2010 23:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Man things are screwed up. Just watched Beck for a few minutes and now he&#039;s on we the people. Well Glenn we the people are headed down the drain and if you said one thing that made sense and you haven&#039;t I still wouldn&#039;t buy your book. The rest are not to far behind more on the lines of stay silent as the truth is now banned. Florida and Georgia drought big time for months to come and let&#039;s see California by tomorrow night. The stock market is up and from what I understand high end retailers are doing well this Christmas probably lot&#039;s of self gifting. Amazing to see once you know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man things are screwed up. Just watched Beck for a few minutes and now he&#8217;s on we the people. Well Glenn we the people are headed down the drain and if you said one thing that made sense and you haven&#8217;t I still wouldn&#8217;t buy your book. The rest are not to far behind more on the lines of stay silent as the truth is now banned. Florida and Georgia drought big time for months to come and let&#8217;s see California by tomorrow night. The stock market is up and from what I understand high end retailers are doing well this Christmas probably lot&#8217;s of self gifting. Amazing to see once you know.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/12/extremism-in-the-defense-of-survival/#comment-78601</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2010 22:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Police intervened Saturday to prevent a passenger riot at Germany&#039;s biggest airport. Blizzards have crippled air and train transport around Europe, leaving thousands of holiday travelers stranded.

Police were called Saturday morning to calm passengers at Frankfurt airport as blizzards left thousands of holiday passengers stranded across Europe.  Germany

  Let&#039;s see here in the States we got health care sort of and now it&#039;s repeal and replace. The tax bill to try and get the system going again the same system that will send us all down the drain but the wealthy got there tax cut&#039;s. Starting to add up and the big plan so far is go shopping. Something is very very wrong here. 

  The snow in Germany, Europe climate change and or climate disruption well yes it sure is and we will hear from the wealthy who got there tax cut&#039;s it&#039;s cold what climate change go shopping buy one share of stock and have fun doing it listen to us we know best. Oh and help us get out the vote. Wait the truth is now banned well I&#039;ll post this anyway.  Repeat the obvious repeat the obvious!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Police intervened Saturday to prevent a passenger riot at Germany&#8217;s biggest airport. Blizzards have crippled air and train transport around Europe, leaving thousands of holiday travelers stranded.</p>
<p>Police were called Saturday morning to calm passengers at Frankfurt airport as blizzards left thousands of holiday passengers stranded across Europe.  Germany</p>
<p>  Let&#8217;s see here in the States we got health care sort of and now it&#8217;s repeal and replace. The tax bill to try and get the system going again the same system that will send us all down the drain but the wealthy got there tax cut&#8217;s. Starting to add up and the big plan so far is go shopping. Something is very very wrong here. </p>
<p>  The snow in Germany, Europe climate change and or climate disruption well yes it sure is and we will hear from the wealthy who got there tax cut&#8217;s it&#8217;s cold what climate change go shopping buy one share of stock and have fun doing it listen to us we know best. Oh and help us get out the vote. Wait the truth is now banned well I&#8217;ll post this anyway.  Repeat the obvious repeat the obvious!</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/12/extremism-in-the-defense-of-survival/#comment-78592</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Salt Lake Tribune

Published Dec 21, 2010 02:10PM
Updated 3 minutes ago Updated Dec 21, 2010 02:24PM 
St. George • The town Rockville was told to evacuate Tuesday afternoon because of fears the Trees Ranch Dam could fail, sending a deluge downstream toward it.

&quot;The imminent failure of the Trees Ranch Dam on the East fork of the Virgin River in Washington County was reported by Washington County Sheriff’s Department,&quot; the weather service said.

   If these so called leaders don&#039;t take us or the problems we face seriously why should we take them seriously and only the beginning.  For profit more on the lines of nonprofit if we wish to survive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Salt Lake Tribune</p>
<p>Published Dec 21, 2010 02:10PM<br />
Updated 3 minutes ago Updated Dec 21, 2010 02:24PM<br />
St. George • The town Rockville was told to evacuate Tuesday afternoon because of fears the Trees Ranch Dam could fail, sending a deluge downstream toward it.</p>
<p>&#8220;The imminent failure of the Trees Ranch Dam on the East fork of the Virgin River in Washington County was reported by Washington County Sheriff’s Department,&#8221; the weather service said.</p>
<p>   If these so called leaders don&#8217;t take us or the problems we face seriously why should we take them seriously and only the beginning.  For profit more on the lines of nonprofit if we wish to survive.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/12/extremism-in-the-defense-of-survival/#comment-78588</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2010 19:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not cap and trade tax carbon cap and trade is one big giant loophole tax carbon and since the little problem itself we be very clear very soon at least we will be somewhat ahead of this. So far this doesn&#039;t look good still the easy way out kind of like going to hell in a basket. Either way unless of course you are on the list for the C-130 it&#039;s going to get ruff.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not cap and trade tax carbon cap and trade is one big giant loophole tax carbon and since the little problem itself we be very clear very soon at least we will be somewhat ahead of this. So far this doesn&#8217;t look good still the easy way out kind of like going to hell in a basket. Either way unless of course you are on the list for the C-130 it&#8217;s going to get ruff.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/12/extremism-in-the-defense-of-survival/#comment-78585</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2010 18:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Again we are out of time to start so a great start would be to tax carbon the slowdown of the economy will happen there&#039;s no way around that now. So far the decision has been made to not try the old all of the above thinking. Well with that thinking many will be talking to all of the above alright. It look&#039;s like in a few years it will be rocket&#039;s with SO 4 doesn&#039;t solve the problem just covers it over with a few minor side effects yes I know highly unusual for the powers that be to use that kind of thinking. From the look&#039;s of the weather not climate the last few years in our face big timer very soon. This time the movie is a documentary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again we are out of time to start so a great start would be to tax carbon the slowdown of the economy will happen there&#8217;s no way around that now. So far the decision has been made to not try the old all of the above thinking. Well with that thinking many will be talking to all of the above alright. It look&#8217;s like in a few years it will be rocket&#8217;s with SO 4 doesn&#8217;t solve the problem just covers it over with a few minor side effects yes I know highly unusual for the powers that be to use that kind of thinking. From the look&#8217;s of the weather not climate the last few years in our face big timer very soon. This time the movie is a documentary.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/12/extremism-in-the-defense-of-survival/#comment-78582</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2010 17:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ok, i did overlook the meaning of  &quot;can be reasonable  well modeled still&quot;. u mean to say, we can obtain an ideally structured society, nevertheless?  i agree with that! tnx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, i did overlook the meaning of  &#8220;can be reasonable  well modeled still&#8221;. u mean to say, we can obtain an ideally structured society, nevertheless?  i agree with that! tnx</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[james:
 4) The measure of normal in the world must be from places and processes that are uninfluenced by human action (except where humans are fully integrated into the relevant ecologies).  Finding such places today is difficult, but can be reasonable well modeled still.

i cannot understand the above observation. i am not saying that u are not correct.
i cld venture a guess as to what u mean to say by the above statement.

i think u&#039;r saying that a correct style of living must exists and only thereafter we&#039;d apply it to us?   and since, obviously [at this date] norma?l not existing anywhere, we cannot know what is normal?
ok, i am not going any further with this until i get an adequate explanation! tnx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>james:<br />
 4) The measure of normal in the world must be from places and processes that are uninfluenced by human action (except where humans are fully integrated into the relevant ecologies).  Finding such places today is difficult, but can be reasonable well modeled still.</p>
<p>i cannot understand the above observation. i am not saying that u are not correct.<br />
i cld venture a guess as to what u mean to say by the above statement.</p>
<p>i think u&#8217;r saying that a correct style of living must exists and only thereafter we&#8217;d apply it to us?   and since, obviously [at this date] norma?l not existing anywhere, we cannot know what is normal?<br />
ok, i am not going any further with this until i get an adequate explanation! tnx</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[james says:
&quot;Our spiritual understandings and habits are the distorted products of the pre-scientific forest life made to serve the interests of kings and other authoritarians.&quot;

sorry, james but this observation appears incorrect. for one thing, a clan or lager group of people must have lived without &#039;nobles&#039;; i.e., criminals such as shamans, visionaries, priests, kings, et al.
 we may have believed in ghosts, spirits before rise of  &#039;nobility&#039;; however, most likely all people did believe in spirits and the like. but for what purpose?  to subjugate people or not?
i say no! not to use people or instill fear of them so that they cld be controlled.
it constituted first religion. however, religion in itself is not harmful to us-- priests are. they are the last people to love, respect gods.
i affirm quite strongly that we were ok 50k yrs ago; we r ok even now. just get rid of priests and abusers of us is all we need to do!

as for science, i affirm that having survived w.o. it for one mn yrs, we wld have survived w.o. it, anyhow.
the science per se is not evil-- what is evil is abusers taking much of  the fruits of science for themselves.  

i agree that private ownership of anything is wrong. indigenes of americas had no such concept and neither had we, say, until 15k yrs ago or later.
ownership of people is even worse than owning anything else.

where i come from there had been dozens of major violent uprisings against &#039;nobility&#039;. however, they were sporadic and local and thus easily put dwn by king&#039;s soldiers. 
i need to reread ur piece to comment on other points u made. tnx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>james says:<br />
&#8220;Our spiritual understandings and habits are the distorted products of the pre-scientific forest life made to serve the interests of kings and other authoritarians.&#8221;</p>
<p>sorry, james but this observation appears incorrect. for one thing, a clan or lager group of people must have lived without &#8216;nobles&#8217;; i.e., criminals such as shamans, visionaries, priests, kings, et al.<br />
 we may have believed in ghosts, spirits before rise of  &#8216;nobility&#8217;; however, most likely all people did believe in spirits and the like. but for what purpose?  to subjugate people or not?<br />
i say no! not to use people or instill fear of them so that they cld be controlled.<br />
it constituted first religion. however, religion in itself is not harmful to us&#8211; priests are. they are the last people to love, respect gods.<br />
i affirm quite strongly that we were ok 50k yrs ago; we r ok even now. just get rid of priests and abusers of us is all we need to do!</p>
<p>as for science, i affirm that having survived w.o. it for one mn yrs, we wld have survived w.o. it, anyhow.<br />
the science per se is not evil&#8211; what is evil is abusers taking much of  the fruits of science for themselves.  </p>
<p>i agree that private ownership of anything is wrong. indigenes of americas had no such concept and neither had we, say, until 15k yrs ago or later.<br />
ownership of people is even worse than owning anything else.</p>
<p>where i come from there had been dozens of major violent uprisings against &#8216;nobility&#8217;. however, they were sporadic and local and thus easily put dwn by king&#8217;s soldiers.<br />
i need to reread ur piece to comment on other points u made. tnx</p>
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		<title>By: E.R. Bills</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/12/extremism-in-the-defense-of-survival/#comment-78578</link>
		<dc:creator>E.R. Bills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[excellent definition of the problem and indisputable steps necessary for solution. Count me in...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>excellent definition of the problem and indisputable steps necessary for solution. Count me in&#8230;</p>
<p> E.</p>
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