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		<title>By: kalidas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/10/soils-and-souls-the-promise-of-the-land/#comment-75002</link>
		<dc:creator>kalidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 03:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I came up with the slogan &quot;have a nice day.&quot; Boston/Cambridge, 1971
You know that smiley face? That&#039;s me! Back in the peace, love, dope days. When I was always in a good mood. :)

I did a couple others also. They didn&#039;t catch on as well.

Hell, do you know how hard it is to come up with an original quip, let alone an original thought?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came up with the slogan &#8220;have a nice day.&#8221; Boston/Cambridge, 1971<br />
You know that smiley face? That&#8217;s me! Back in the peace, love, dope days. When I was always in a good mood. :)</p>
<p>I did a couple others also. They didn&#8217;t catch on as well.</p>
<p>Hell, do you know how hard it is to come up with an original quip, let alone an original thought?</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/10/soils-and-souls-the-promise-of-the-land/#comment-74970</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 19:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[More toddler stuff.
Mad people never think; they mainly sthink! Sad people think s&#039;mwhat better. Happy people think more richly; thus, produce ideas worthy of further thinking about them.
Nitzsche, kant, russel, dostoyevski, hobbes, orwell, ghandi, and countless other mad-sad [but well paid] philos fall in between sad and mad category; thus, all contributed to a &#039;better&#039; fascism.

Here is another tot thought. My concern now is how to express it in ten or fewer words {i hate earning money for words}. But here it goes: it took millennia to go from perfect communism to perfect fascism!

Btw, i did learn how to share my songs with others, but not to make money!
Don, do u have apple computer? Tell me if u can get them as i am not sure i did the sharing correctly. thanks for ur Natural [unadulterated] Ear!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More toddler stuff.<br />
Mad people never think; they mainly sthink! Sad people think s&#8217;mwhat better. Happy people think more richly; thus, produce ideas worthy of further thinking about them.<br />
Nitzsche, kant, russel, dostoyevski, hobbes, orwell, ghandi, and countless other mad-sad [but well paid] philos fall in between sad and mad category; thus, all contributed to a &#8216;better&#8217; fascism.</p>
<p>Here is another tot thought. My concern now is how to express it in ten or fewer words {i hate earning money for words}. But here it goes: it took millennia to go from perfect communism to perfect fascism!</p>
<p>Btw, i did learn how to share my songs with others, but not to make money!<br />
Don, do u have apple computer? Tell me if u can get them as i am not sure i did the sharing correctly. thanks for ur Natural [unadulterated] Ear!</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 16:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One more simplicity. And rendered simple for tots of three+.
In a den of thieves almost always the best-- or seemingly so--  thief becomes the head in the den?
And the best thief always flies by his pants; he desires no law.
He demands he rules in total lawlesness.

A prez, any, only seems to be the biggest hen in the den! Symbolicly, to 99.99% of americans, a prez is indeed the fezz. How about in fact?
Does anyone know? Do i give damn about finding out his role, while his country is killing innocent people? thanks for the wrong,right,left and the finger!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more simplicity. And rendered simple for tots of three+.<br />
In a den of thieves almost always the best&#8211; or seemingly so&#8211;  thief becomes the head in the den?<br />
And the best thief always flies by his pants; he desires no law.<br />
He demands he rules in total lawlesness.</p>
<p>A prez, any, only seems to be the biggest hen in the den! Symbolicly, to 99.99% of americans, a prez is indeed the fezz. How about in fact?<br />
Does anyone know? Do i give damn about finding out his role, while his country is killing innocent people? thanks for the wrong,right,left and the finger!</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/10/soils-and-souls-the-promise-of-the-land/#comment-74956</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 15:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don, a few more simplicities!
fear of death trumps fear of hunger. fears of poverty, being left out, trumps all other remaining fears:of being dishonest, lying, not knowing, stealing  and found out of doing all that.

I assume that animals have fears-feelings and when about to die from starvation with fish in their mouths, but mortal peril, animals wld drop everything and run for dear life.

Couple crows that come to my patio door teach me this lesson everyday
day.
I postulate that the &#039;nobility&#039; [read please: the greatest thieves-liars] always sensed this truth.
And eureka! They found the way to use us! Of course, &#039;nobility&#039; has fears; however, not of death or torture [which is just as a good tool of control as fear of death] but of side effects of their crimes.

Not to worry, tho, for US &#039;nobility&#039;--- it&#039;s well protected by wmd, army, cia, fbi, police, spies, bounty hunters.

And most dissidents thinking they can change  america by turning over pebbles to find the truth and ignoring the large stone hiding it! tnx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don, a few more simplicities!<br />
fear of death trumps fear of hunger. fears of poverty, being left out, trumps all other remaining fears:of being dishonest, lying, not knowing, stealing  and found out of doing all that.</p>
<p>I assume that animals have fears-feelings and when about to die from starvation with fish in their mouths, but mortal peril, animals wld drop everything and run for dear life.</p>
<p>Couple crows that come to my patio door teach me this lesson everyday<br />
day.<br />
I postulate that the &#8216;nobility&#8217; [read please: the greatest thieves-liars] always sensed this truth.<br />
And eureka! They found the way to use us! Of course, &#8216;nobility&#8217; has fears; however, not of death or torture [which is just as a good tool of control as fear of death] but of side effects of their crimes.</p>
<p>Not to worry, tho, for US &#8216;nobility&#8217;&#8212; it&#8217;s well protected by wmd, army, cia, fbi, police, spies, bounty hunters.</p>
<p>And most dissidents thinking they can change  america by turning over pebbles to find the truth and ignoring the large stone hiding it! tnx</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/10/soils-and-souls-the-promise-of-the-land/#comment-74954</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 14:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today i am only czeching on all czequo-balancians in US and the world. I am ignoring the rest of the people.
Who are they? Editors, columnists, politicos, judges, &#039;teachers&#039;, sacerdotal class, my wife.
That&#039;s their bottom line. The top line always says: No way jose! We are not here for the money but radicly for peace, justice, and the like.

And in US, in which 99.99% of people appear fascistic, they love goodies more than anything else. 

The love of goods leads to defense of the right to not only own many goods but to acquire more and more and forever and by any means.

I think that every thief knew this tenet and since only goods matter and not how it is obtained, thieves also steal.

Alas stealing a loaf of bread is illegal. &#039;Paying&#039; people &#039;minimum&#039; wage, which is kind of robbery, is legal.

Stealing pal&#039;n land is not legal, but whats  the difference, legal or illegal, when we&#039;ve never had laws anywhere.
And as already noted, 99%+ americans love their own lawlessness; i.e. authoritarianism of the largest goods owners.

Now, the question arises and appears worthy of deep thought, How did people become what they are now? 
Keeping in mind, that we were once perfect communists. If one does not postulate that we had been much communistic i order not only to enhance our survival on planet but also to feel of secure, safe, cared-for and care for others.

Now compare this weighty matter that people noted for millennia and in ?all lands with the pap we &#039;have&#039; to read even on internet let alone in the bible, quran, constitutions, etc.

So, do we read all of what jensen, jacobs, keyes, petras, blum, chomsky, klein, zinn and the like-minded people write? tnx for ur communist ear!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today i am only czeching on all czequo-balancians in US and the world. I am ignoring the rest of the people.<br />
Who are they? Editors, columnists, politicos, judges, &#8216;teachers&#8217;, sacerdotal class, my wife.<br />
That&#8217;s their bottom line. The top line always says: No way jose! We are not here for the money but radicly for peace, justice, and the like.</p>
<p>And in US, in which 99.99% of people appear fascistic, they love goodies more than anything else. </p>
<p>The love of goods leads to defense of the right to not only own many goods but to acquire more and more and forever and by any means.</p>
<p>I think that every thief knew this tenet and since only goods matter and not how it is obtained, thieves also steal.</p>
<p>Alas stealing a loaf of bread is illegal. &#8216;Paying&#8217; people &#8216;minimum&#8217; wage, which is kind of robbery, is legal.</p>
<p>Stealing pal&#8217;n land is not legal, but whats  the difference, legal or illegal, when we&#8217;ve never had laws anywhere.<br />
And as already noted, 99%+ americans love their own lawlessness; i.e. authoritarianism of the largest goods owners.</p>
<p>Now, the question arises and appears worthy of deep thought, How did people become what they are now?<br />
Keeping in mind, that we were once perfect communists. If one does not postulate that we had been much communistic i order not only to enhance our survival on planet but also to feel of secure, safe, cared-for and care for others.</p>
<p>Now compare this weighty matter that people noted for millennia and in ?all lands with the pap we &#8216;have&#8217; to read even on internet let alone in the bible, quran, constitutions, etc.</p>
<p>So, do we read all of what jensen, jacobs, keyes, petras, blum, chomsky, klein, zinn and the like-minded people write? tnx for ur communist ear!</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/10/soils-and-souls-the-promise-of-the-land/#comment-74949</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 11:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know what to make of reading this article. It&#039;s so meandering and the mention of Herman Daly and for a second there I thought I was reading Max Shields.

Jensen seems to be stuck in a world of fetishes in a the kind of manner that Libertarian are stuck on the commodity fetish. He says the following...

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Farley reminds us that capitalism developed alongside the exploitation of fossil fuels, first coal and then oil and natural gas. Our productivity is the result not of the magic of the market so much as the magic of fossil fuels. Given that a barrel of oil can do the work of 20,000 hours of human labor, Farley says, such dramatic expansion of productivity is not so magical after all.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

However BEFORE there was &quot;War for Oil(tm)&quot; and natural gas and coal there was SLAVERY.  That&#039;s right Capitalism was built on the EXPLOITATION of HUMANS well BEFORE the exploitation of  &quot;fossil fuels&quot;.  Somehow this escapes all the touchy-feely of Jensen, Farley and Daly.  Their desperate need to blame the victims makes their motives suspect because what they are actually engaging in is a soft critique of Capitalism that effectively MINIMIZES and shift the focus away from class antagonism.  It lets the rich and powerful off the hook as Jensen writes ...

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The three were telling the story of how sin brought us to this place, how we must redefine success if &lt;i&gt;we are to atone&lt;/i&gt;, and how essential that change is for &lt;i&gt;our&lt;/i&gt; own safety.

...

But perhaps most dangerous is the story capitalism tells us not about the natural world but about &lt;i&gt;us&lt;/i&gt;. Glorifying greed, capitalism tells us &lt;i&gt;we are nothing more than “atomic globules of desire”&lt;/i&gt; and that “we’re individuals, apart from community, and all &lt;/i&gt;we&lt;/i&gt; want is more and more and more.” We need, Farley explains, a different conception of success.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Perhaps  Farley and Jensen feel guilty of living the life of white middle class privilege but I would advise them to leave much of the world out of their collective guilt.  I find it DESPICABLE of Jensen and Farley to put his &quot;environmental&quot; fetishes ABOVE the exploitation of humanity and in turn slap those who are victimized as being EQUALLY responsible for the deprivation caused by Capitalism.  Are they misanthropes or are they just part of the Zio-Capitalist agenda?  It makes you wonder.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know what to make of reading this article. It&#8217;s so meandering and the mention of Herman Daly and for a second there I thought I was reading Max Shields.</p>
<p>Jensen seems to be stuck in a world of fetishes in a the kind of manner that Libertarian are stuck on the commodity fetish. He says the following&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>
Farley reminds us that capitalism developed alongside the exploitation of fossil fuels, first coal and then oil and natural gas. Our productivity is the result not of the magic of the market so much as the magic of fossil fuels. Given that a barrel of oil can do the work of 20,000 hours of human labor, Farley says, such dramatic expansion of productivity is not so magical after all.
</p></blockquote>
<p>However BEFORE there was &#8220;War for Oil(tm)&#8221; and natural gas and coal there was SLAVERY.  That&#8217;s right Capitalism was built on the EXPLOITATION of HUMANS well BEFORE the exploitation of  &#8220;fossil fuels&#8221;.  Somehow this escapes all the touchy-feely of Jensen, Farley and Daly.  Their desperate need to blame the victims makes their motives suspect because what they are actually engaging in is a soft critique of Capitalism that effectively MINIMIZES and shift the focus away from class antagonism.  It lets the rich and powerful off the hook as Jensen writes &#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>
The three were telling the story of how sin brought us to this place, how we must redefine success if <i>we are to atone</i>, and how essential that change is for <i>our</i> own safety.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>But perhaps most dangerous is the story capitalism tells us not about the natural world but about <i>us</i>. Glorifying greed, capitalism tells us <i>we are nothing more than “atomic globules of desire”</i> and that “we’re individuals, apart from community, and all we want is more and more and more.” We need, Farley explains, a different conception of success.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Perhaps  Farley and Jensen feel guilty of living the life of white middle class privilege but I would advise them to leave much of the world out of their collective guilt.  I find it DESPICABLE of Jensen and Farley to put his &#8220;environmental&#8221; fetishes ABOVE the exploitation of humanity and in turn slap those who are victimized as being EQUALLY responsible for the deprivation caused by Capitalism.  Are they misanthropes or are they just part of the Zio-Capitalist agenda?  It makes you wonder.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/10/soils-and-souls-the-promise-of-the-land/#comment-74886</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 16:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don,
Yes, i suppose one can find &quot;UltimateFoolsShow&quot; on even DV let alone on CNN, Fox, or senate.
I understand UltimateFoolsShow is very interesting. It was invented by Kim Jong Il or his son, Kim Jong Un.
But the &#039;jews&#039; stole that invention and are now making a movie about it. But the fools in the &#039;jewish&#039; movie are not o&#039;reilly, beck, palin and the like, but Kim Jongs. There is thousands of them in korea, or maybe only jongs-- ill or not, i don&#039;t know!
&#039;Jews&#039; are making movie of jongs even tho there is no money in korea nor banksters.
Don, thanks for ur Left, or is it, Right ear?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don,<br />
Yes, i suppose one can find &#8220;UltimateFoolsShow&#8221; on even DV let alone on CNN, Fox, or senate.<br />
I understand UltimateFoolsShow is very interesting. It was invented by Kim Jong Il or his son, Kim Jong Un.<br />
But the &#8216;jews&#8217; stole that invention and are now making a movie about it. But the fools in the &#8216;jewish&#8217; movie are not o&#8217;reilly, beck, palin and the like, but Kim Jongs. There is thousands of them in korea, or maybe only jongs&#8211; ill or not, i don&#8217;t know!<br />
&#8216;Jews&#8217; are making movie of jongs even tho there is no money in korea nor banksters.<br />
Don, thanks for ur Left, or is it, Right ear?</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 15:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well just watched the ultimate thrill, the ultimate reality show Fox New&#039;s and the weather person came on and with a large smile said it&#039;s snowing in Colorado near Denver then another fair and balanced journalist said I have friends who ski there again with a big smile. My God these people are nut&#039;s 100% looney tunes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well just watched the ultimate thrill, the ultimate reality show Fox New&#8217;s and the weather person came on and with a large smile said it&#8217;s snowing in Colorado near Denver then another fair and balanced journalist said I have friends who ski there again with a big smile. My God these people are nut&#8217;s 100% looney tunes.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 14:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The ultimate thrill, the ultimate reality show, is owning people. Once u achieve that-- tho not yet utterly completed in US; or maybe, it has been?--one can even use people to kill other people  let alone use people to lie, cheat, rob, or grow poisoned food.
This enhances chances of survival of the rich people: the more people they can kill by any method, the more riches for them and cleaner the nature, too boot.

And recall, please, that some people are not even called &quot;people&quot;; some are called &quot;terrorists&quot; even tho it appears crystal clear that the &#039;terrorists&#039; in pashtunstan have not even harmed a westerner let alone killed.
So, we cannot expect that US warlords wld any time soon  call pashtuns &quot;people.  tnx for ur Left, Right, or Wrong ear.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ultimate thrill, the ultimate reality show, is owning people. Once u achieve that&#8211; tho not yet utterly completed in US; or maybe, it has been?&#8211;one can even use people to kill other people  let alone use people to lie, cheat, rob, or grow poisoned food.<br />
This enhances chances of survival of the rich people: the more people they can kill by any method, the more riches for them and cleaner the nature, too boot.</p>
<p>And recall, please, that some people are not even called &#8220;people&#8221;; some are called &#8220;terrorists&#8221; even tho it appears crystal clear that the &#8216;terrorists&#8217; in pashtunstan have not even harmed a westerner let alone killed.<br />
So, we cannot expect that US warlords wld any time soon  call pashtuns &#8220;people.  tnx for ur Left, Right, or Wrong ear.</p>
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