Canada, a Do-gooder?

In a stunning international rebuke, Stephen Harper’s government lost its bid for a UN Security Council seat last week. The vote in New York was the world’s response to a Canadian foreign policy designed to please the most reactionary, shortsighted sectors of the Conservative Party’s base — evangelical Christian Zionists, extreme right-wing Jews, Islamophobes, the military-industrial-academic-complex, mining and oil executives and old cold-warriors.

Over the past four year Harper’s government has been offside with the world community on a whole host of issues. Canada was among a small number of countries that refused to recognize the human right to water or sign the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples. On two occasions, Ottawa blocked consensus at the Rotterdam Convention to place chrysotile asbestos, a known toxin, on its list of dangerous products, and in November Finance Minister Jim Flaherty refused to even consider British PM Gordon Brown’s idea of a global tax on international financial transactions.

Close to the companies making huge profits on the Tar Sands, the Conservatives repeatedly sabotaged international climate negotiations. They angered many in the Commonwealth by blocking a resolution calling for a “binding commitment” on rich countries to reduce emissions and at a UN climate conference in Bangkok last year, many delegates from poorer countries left a negotiating session in protest after a Canadian suggestion to scrap the Kyoto Protocol as the basis of negotiations.

The Conservatives extreme “Israel no matter what” position definitely hurt its chance on Tuesday. “It’s hard to find a country friendlier to Israel than Canada these days,” explained Israeli Foreign Minister, Avigdor Lieberman, who emigrated from Moldova when he was 20 but still feels fit to call for the expulsion of Palestinian citizens of Israel.

The Conservatives publicly endorsed Israel’s 2006 attack on Lebanon, voted against a host of UN resolutions supporting Palestinian rights and in February Ottawa delighted Israeli hawks by canceling $15 million in funding for the UN agency for Palestine Refugees (UNRWA). The money was transferred to Palestinian security reform.

For the past three years, Canada has been heavily invested in training a Palestinian security force designed to oversee Israel’s occupation of the West Bank and “to ensure that the PA [Palestinian Authority] maintains control of the West Bank against Hamas,” as Canadian ambassador to Israel Jon Allen was quoted as saying by the Canadian Jewish News. According to deputy Foreign Affairs minister Peter Kent, Operation PROTEUS, Canada’s military training mission in the West Bank, is the country’s “second largest deployment after Afghanistan” and it receives “most of the money” from a five-year $300 million Canadian aid program to the Palestinians.

At the same time as Canadian “aid” strengthens the most compliant Palestinian political factions, the Conservatives have refused any criticism of Israel’s onslaught against the 1.5 million people living in Gaza. Canada was the only country at the UN Human Rights Council to vote against a January 2008 resolution that called for “urgent international action to put an immediate end to Israel’s siege of Gaza.”

Later in 2008 Israel unleashed a 22-day military assault on Gaza that left 1,400 Palestinians dead. In response, many governments condemned the bombing and Venezuela broke off all diplomatic relations. Israel didn’t need to worry since Ottawa was prepared to help out. The Canadian embassy now represents Israel’s diplomatic interests in Caracas.

While Brazil and Turkey tried to dissipate hostility towards Iran, Harper used his pulpit as host of the G8 to pave the way for a possible U.S.-Israeli attack. A February 17 Toronto Star article was headlined: “Military action against Iran still on the table, Kent says.” The junior foreign minister explained that “it’s a matter of timing and it’s a matter of how long we can wait without taking more serious preemptive action.”

“Preemptive action” is a euphemism for a bombing campaign. Canadian naval vessels are already running provocative maneuvers off Iran’s coast and by stating that “an attack on Israel would be considered an attack on Canada,” Kent is trying to create the impression that Iran may attack Israel. But it is Israel that possesses nuclear weapons and threatens to bomb Iran, not the other way around.

While Ottawa considers Iran’s nuclear energy program a major threat, Israel’s atomic bombs have not provoked similar condemnation. The Harper government abstained on a number of near unanimous votes asking Israel to place its nuclear weapons program under International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) controls and in September Bloomberg cited Canada as one of three countries that opposed an IAEA probe of Israel’s nuclear facilities as part of an Arab led effort to create a nuclear-weapons-free Middle East.

Not content with taking on Iran, the military-minded Conservatives turned on Russia. Harper referred to Russia as “aggressive” and in a throwback to the Cold War, Defence Minister Peter MacKay added that Ottawa would respond to Russian flights in the Arctic by flying Canadian fighter jets near Russian airspace. Making sure that Moscow got the message, during a July 2007 visit to the Ukraine, MacKay said Canada would help provide a “counterbalance” to Russia.

Ottawa even prioritized the military over aid in the face of the incredible suffering caused by Haiti’s earthquake. Two thousand Canadian troops were deployed while several Heavy Urban Search Rescue Teams were readied but never sent. Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon explained that the teams were not needed because “the government had opted to send Canadian Armed Forces instead.”

Overthrown in February 2004 by a joint U.S./France/Canada destabilization campaign, Haiti’s most popular political party, Fanmi Lavalas, has been barred from participating in elections. The Conservatives supported Fanmi Lavalas’ exclusion, congratulating Haiti’s puppet government for bringing “a period of stabilization” good for “investment and trade.” Ottawa backed up its words with deeds, adding tens of millions of dollars to a Haitian prison and police system that has been massively expanded and militarized since the 2004 coup.

Ottawa gave its tacit support to the Honduran military’s removal of elected president Manuel Zelaya in June 2009. Mexico’s Notimex reported that Canada was the only country in the hemisphere that did not explicitly call for Zelaya’s return to power and Canadian officials repeatedly criticized Zelaya at the Organization of American States (OAS). The ousted government complained that Ottawa failed to suspend aid to Honduras, which is the largest recipient of Canadian assistance in Central America. Nor did Ottawa exclude the Honduran military from its Military Training Assistance Program.

The Harper government opposed Zelaya’s move to join the Hugo Chavez led Alba, the Bolivarian Alliance for the People of Our Americas, which is a response to North American capitalist domination of the region. Canada has actively supported the U.S.-led campaign against the government of Venezuela. In mid-2007 Harper toured South America “to show [the region] that Canada functions and that it can be a better model than Venezuela,” in the words of a high-level foreign affairs official. During the trip, Harper and his entourage made a number of comments critical of the Venezuelan government.

After meeting only members of the opposition during a trip to Venezuela in January, Peter Kent told the media that “democratic space within Venezuela has been shrinking and in this election year, Canada is very concerned about the rights of all Venezuelans to participate in the democratic process.”

Venezuela’s ambassador to the 34-country OAS, Roy Chaderton Matos, responded: “I am talking of a Canada governed by an ultra right that closed its Parliament for various months to (evade) an investigation over the violation of human rights — I am talking about torture and assassinations — by its soldiers in Afghanistan.”

Despite the move to the left among the majority of the region’s governments Harper moved closer to Latin America’s most right-wing state. Colombia’s terrible human rights record did not stop Harper from signing a free-trade agreement that even Washington couldn’t stomach.

The trade agreement as well as the Harper government’s shift of aid from Africa to Latin America was designed to support Canadian corporate interests and the region’s right-wing governments and movements. Barely discussed in the media, the main goal of the shift in aid was to stunt Latin America’s recent rejection of neoliberalism and U.S. dependence.

One issue mentioned in a number of media reports about Canada’s loss last week had to do with the Congo. At the G8 in June the Conservatives pushed for an entire declaration to the final communiqué criticizing the Congo for attempting to gain a greater share of its vast mineral wealth. Months earlier Ottawa began to obstruct international efforts to reschedule the country’s foreign debt, which was mostly accrued during more than three decades of Joseph Mobuto’s dictatorship and the subsequent war.

Canadian officials “have a problem with what’s happened with a Canadian company,” Congolese Information Minister Lambert Mende said referring to the government’s move to revoke a mining concession that Vancouver-based First Quantum acquired under dubious circumstances during the 1998-2003 war. “The Canadian government wants to use the Paris Club [of debtor nations] in order to resolve a particular problem,” explained Mende. “This is unacceptable.”

The mining industry increasingly represents Canada abroad. Canadian miners operate more than 3,000 projects outside this country and many of these mines have displaced communities, destroyed ecosystems and resulted in violence. This doesn’t bother the Harper government, which is close to the most retrograde sectors of the mining industry. Last year they rejected a proposal – agreed to by the Mining Association of Canada under pressure from civil society groups — to make diplomatic and financial support for resource companies operating overseas contingent upon socially responsible conduct. Despite countless horror stories suggesting the contrary, the Conservatives claim that voluntary standards are the best way to improve Canadian mining companies’ social responsibility.

Finally, the Conservatives have knowingly supported torture in Afghanistan and embraced an increasingly violent counterinsurgency war. Apparently, Canadian Joint Task Force 2 commandos regularly take part in nighttime assassination raids, which are highly unpopular with the Afghan population.

Losing the Security Council seat will hopefully cost the Conservatives some votes and temper their more extreme international positions. But, for those of us working to radically transform Canadian foreign policy the consequences of the loss may be much greater. There has probably never been a bigger blow to the carefully crafted image of Canada as a popular international do-gooder, a mythology that blinds so many Canadians to our country’s real role in the world.

Yves Engler is co-author of the recently released New Commune-ist Manifesto — Workers of the World It Really is Time to Unite, a rewriting of the original designed to spark debate about a new direction for the Left and union movement. For more information go to www.newcommuneist.com. Read other articles by Yves, or visit Yves's website.

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  1. Rehmat said on October 19th, 2010 at 7:51am #

    Ehud Barak has called Canada under Harper government as the ‘most loyal’ friend of Israel. It not only support Zionazi policies of Israel but also in the fore-front for military action against Iran for country’s nuclear program. Interestingly, Harper is against Tehran’s achieving “nuclear capability” to produce a nuclear device – while Canada itself has that capability since 1970s.

    Canada is one of the three countries which has classified Lebanese Resistant group, Hizbullah, as a “terrorist organization” – the other two countries being the US and Israel.

    http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2010/10/02/criticism-of-israel-is-not-anti-semitism-stupid/

  2. bozh said on October 19th, 2010 at 8:55am #

    Yes, i have known that the structure of canadian governance is very similar to that of US and UK. It is these structures [and not necessarily people it oppresses or renders unknowledgeable] that have set up israel and thus even now fiercely support it.

    Of course, these highly dysfunctional [for most people] structures arise from an ancient one.

    In folk thinking, the observation is expressed as: the more things change, the more they stay the same.
    This to me represents the greatest evil that had befallen us; appears also unchangeable for generations.

    However, as in the past, these structure function near-perfectly; having built-in program to render it perfect at any time.

    If our murderous raids on aliens and punishment for or robbery of domestics doesn’t prove that, i don’t know what more has to happen to convince the people of this fact.

    Possibly even if onepercenters nuked pashtuns, people wld hardly bat an eye or even argue that it had been necessary; with usual reasons for it given.

    I must stress that i do not blame the people– i hold onepercenters responsible!
    And they are very well protected by cia-fbi-police-army-spies!
    So don’t go on believing that they fear for their futures and thus wld change that ancient mind of theirs! tnx fro ur left ear!

  3. 3bancan said on October 19th, 2010 at 10:08am #

    I’m waiting for MichaelKenny to come here to reassure the world with his truth:

    “Israel, however, has only one ally”…

  4. kalidas said on October 19th, 2010 at 10:57am #

    Ernst Zundel single handedly exposed Canada’s fake peace and justice personna.
    Not that many actually noticed..

  5. NooR said on October 19th, 2010 at 1:37pm #

    Before I begin, let me say that your log in is absolutely satanic.

    Now that I have vented on that, let me tell you, most Canadians are disgusted and disgruntled with the performance of Hopeless Hapless Harper. He has disgraced our good name, which was barely warranted as it was, just to please his Chabad buddies/Masters and to move his Conservative militaristic agenda forward.

    Freedom of speech is almost dead in this country as you may know. I have friends who have had blogs removed for unfriendly comments regarding the Zionists and one or two who ended up in the Supreme Court trying to argue the right to speak the truth. Not slurs, not names, not innuendos, not propaganda or hate ~ the truth.

    David Icke, Sir George Galloway, the Code Pink ladies, and goodness knows who else have been blocked entry while Bush and other ilk are welcomed with love and multi thousand dollar a plate dinners.

    Students are fined, expelled, censored for participating in any activity that tries to build up the image of Gaza, even in events that are international. Needless to say, upon further investigation I have found the Deans to be Israeli pets who have had lovely all expense paid trips to that land in the past.

    Photos of Stephen surrounded by the Chabad abound if one looks carefully. Last year alone he received three prestigious awards from the Jewish community for his great services and friendship to the chosen people. The award that truly broke my heart and ruined my day was the one you mention, the commendation from Avignor Lieberman. All I could thing was, “Can we sink any lower than that?”

    Well, apparently we can and Little Stephen is doing the best he can to move the agenda along. Canadians have lost the press regarding the happenings in Ottawa. He has single handedly muzzled the press and it is black humour amongst reporters and journalists to be invited to a press to-do. They will, at best, receive a package of prepared material and MAYBE a question or two regarding how much does Harper like his kittens or what does he think of hockey.

    Mr. Harper DESPISES Canadians. He has said it many times in just about those same words.

    CANADIANS: AN OPEN LETTER TO CANADIAN JOURNALISTS
    http://snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.com/2010/09/canadians-open-letter-to-canadian.html

    STEPHEN HARPER’S HITLIST PT1: POWER, PROCESS AND THE ASSAULT ON DEMOCRACY
    http://snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.com/2010/03/stephen-harpers-hitlist-pt1-power.html

    STEPHEN HARPER’S HITLIST PT 2http://snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.com/2010/03/stephen-harpers-hitlist-pt-2.html

    CANADA ~ HARPER IS GIVING US TO THE NWO
    http://snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.com/2010/04/canada-harper-is-giving-us-to-nwo.html

    CANADA’S IGNORANT PRIME MINISTER
    http://snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.com/2010/04/canadas-ignorant-prime-minister.html

    CANADIANS ~ HARPER SHOWS HIS COLOURS
    http://snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.com/2010/02/canadians-harper-shows-his-colours.html

    CANADA’S TOP TEN 2009 INSTANCES OF ZIONIST CONTROL
    http://snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.com/2009/12/canadas-top-ten-2009-instances-of.html

    CANADA’S SHABBAZ GOI ON PARADE
    http://snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.com/2009/06/canadas-shabbaz-goi-on-parade.html

    THE JEWISH SECRET SOCIETY THAT DOMINATES AMERICA (AND CANADA)
    http://snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.com/2010/01/jewish-secret-society-that-dominates.html

    CANADA ~ CRITICIZING ISRAEL IS NOT ANTISEMITISM
    http://snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.com/2009/11/canada-criticizing-israel-is-not.html

    OH! CANADA! CHRISTIAN CHURCHES ARE ANTI SEMITIC ORGANIZATIONS?
    http://snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.com/2009/12/oh-canada-christian-churches-are-anti.html

    That should get you going. Needless to say, I am a bad Canadian, have always been a bad Canadian, and have no intention of changing my spots now, especially now that the stakes are so high.

    Oh, and might I add, Canadians on the whole are amazingly sheeplish. The G20 Summit last spring was amazingly violent and to those of us “awakened ones” it was blatantly obvious from A to Z what was being done and said by the government and its heavy handed thugs. (Isn’t it amazing how so much sweetness and light follows those gatherings around?)

    FIFTY THREE percent of Canadians thought the police acted well under such circumstances! FIFTY THREE PERCENT! Officer Bubbles, the one legged government worker whose artificial limb was torn off (a potential weapon) ~ what the average citizen saw the very guided news reports. The press was allowed free rein to film burning cars and the smashing of windows for unlimited time but not allowed near the true actions of brutality in which people blowing bubbles or sitting quietly in designated “safe” zones were brutalized.

    Four years ago I loved my country. I still love the land, that which is not being sold off and killed, am proud of those with vision and the guts to speak out, but the government, the sheeple, the actions…. for these things, I am deeply ashamed. I wish I could say this is not the country I grew up in, but when I look back, I see how it was being created from the genocide of our Native Canadians up until today.

    But, the scenery is great and the ocean gleams in the sun even today in late October and it is time to get out and enjoy the fresh ocean air. Since I live next to a naval base, one never knowsssss…..

  6. catguy00 said on October 19th, 2010 at 8:13pm #

    Harper called Israel’s attack on Lebannon “measured” despite the fact that a Canadian soldier (working for the UN) was killed by Israel. He blamed the UN.

    During the Iraq War he wrote a piece in the Wall Street Journal chastizing Canada for not supporting the invasion.

    Chretien and the Liberals certainly had their faults but they were a much better alternative.

    P.S – No need to bring up Ernst Zundel. He wasn’t even a Canadian citizen.

  7. mary said on October 20th, 2010 at 12:28am #

    Your ‘voice’ is most welcome NooR. What you say about the love of your land chimes with me. I love my land too (UK) but not the country and what has been done in its name.

    Last night I heard the human rights lawyer, Gareth Peirce, speak. She has been fighting for justice in cases of miscarriage of justice since the 1970s (the Guildford 4, the Birmingham 6) leading on to unlawful killings by the state of UK citizens such as Jean Charles de Menezes.

    She has also taken on the cases of those British citizens who were rendered, taken to places like Bagram and finally unlawfully imprisoned in Guantanamo. She is deeply committed to her work and displays a burning intense desire for justice. She asked many questions as to why we have been complicit in permitting these terrible things to happen in our secret and clandestine societies. The evidence must be obtained and logged in fine detail and made public so that prosecutions are enabled.

    Her new book is Dispatches from the Dark Side.

    http://www.lrbshop.co.uk/product.php?productid=38818&cat=0&page=1

    You can read some of the book here:
    http://www.lrb.co.uk/contributors/gareth-peirce

  8. Mulga Mumblebrain said on October 20th, 2010 at 2:46am #

    What a litany! The position is the same in Australia. The Zionists, operating in full complicity with the Murdoch media and traitors inside the Labor Party, got rid of our late, unlamented, PM, Rudd, just a few months ago. Rudd was typically servile to the Master Race, but he made the fatal error of not being 100% servile, which they hate and fear in their Sabbat Goy stooges.
    Rudd expelled a Mossad agent after the theft of Australian passport identities which were then used in the ritual killing in Dubai. This came after earlier such acts, despite a Zionazi ‘promise’ not to re-offend. Of course, ‘promises’ made to goyim are ‘writ on water’, and Rudd standing up for Australian sovereignty brought a torrent of abuse, and the Murdoch press upped the rhetoric to the stratosphere.
    Soon Rudd was knifed in the back by his deputy, Gillard, (who went on to nearly lose a subsequent election)who is 100%, total Zionazi property, who had strongly defended the carnage in Gaza. The Zionazis even found her consort a nice, high-paying job-ain’t they generous!? Amongst the plotters, a cabal of known slavish Judeophiliacs, was one Paul Howe, a union official (from a Rightwing, ‘scab’, union, naturally). This creation of a distracted God, despite being a leading light of a ‘trade union’ movement that, supposedly, condemns extra-judicial killings, as so many unionists have been murdered in this manner,was published in one of Murdoch’s even more down-market shit-rags, singing Israel’s praises for the ritual killing in Dubai, and demanding that we all celebrate it. Another eternal principle in action-the Zionazis have a real talent for identifying and nurturing evil and viciousness amongst the goyim. The Canadians have Harper, in my opinion a real bastard in every way, we have Gillard, Howe and scores others. The UK has Blair, so perhaps we haven’t hit rock bottom, yet.

  9. kalidas said on October 20th, 2010 at 8:48pm #

    That he wasn’t a Canadian citizen only adds to the dishonor of Canada’s shame.

  10. catguy00 said on October 20th, 2010 at 9:24pm #

    kalidas
    “That he wasn’t a Canadian citizen only adds to the dishonor of Canada’s shame.”

    Why?

  11. Jonas Rand said on October 21st, 2010 at 12:47am #

    Harper is a US puppet who has steered Canada toward a rightist bent. He supports Israel and no action on environmental problems; Harper has served corporate industry and the arms trade since his reign began. Also, it has been under his administration that escalation of Canadian military forces in Afghanistan occurs. This is war-mongering for the US empire and caving in to Zionist lobby organizations. They have endorsed some terrible things in Iraq and Palestine as well. However, kalidas’ comments in this article are rather suggestive of the origins of his opinions, which I would say was ignorant and uninformed, if not hateful.

    kalidas said:
    “Ernst Zundel single handedly exposed Canada’s fake peace and justice personna.”

    A neo-Nazi, correct?

    “That [Zuendel] wasn’t a Canadian citizen only adds to the dishonor of Canada’s shame.”

    That a White Nationalist/Nazi, who happened to also have Jewish grandparents, wasn’t a citizen of Canada adds to Canada’s “shame”? Why is that?

  12. 3bancan said on October 21st, 2010 at 2:15am #

    Jonas Rand said on October 21st, 2010 at 12:47am #

    “Harper is a US puppet”

    Harper is a hardcore zionazi…

  13. kalidas said on October 21st, 2010 at 8:15am #

    Exhibit “A” Jonas Rand says:
    “A neo-Nazi, correct?”
    Wow! Powerful stuff. I’m all shivering and dizzy. Case closed. Guilty. Off to the gulag.

    Exhibit “B” “rather suggestive of the origins of his opinion.”
    What are you suggesting? That I (gasp) am not basing my opinion on (kosher) news sources? That I perhaps possess such radical subversive a thing as an independent thought? Guilty again. Off to the gulag again!

    Oh, wait a minute. I forgot for a second there.. It’s Mr. Rand and his compadres who are the subversives, the progressives, the champions of freedom and justice, are they not?

    Remember that it wasn’t so long ago that the powers that be (and Mr. Rand?) were referring to James Ennes, the author of Assault on the Liberty as an “anti-Semite, a racist and a Nazi.

    Here’s my definition of Ernst Zundel:
    A famous free speech advocate, pacifist, human rights activist and holocaust skeptic. All perfectly legitimate, some might say, admirable traits.

    Just because you, Mr. Rand, and/or the tribal members of the existentialists ‘r’ us club pronounce someone a this or a that doesn’t mean it’s so.
    In fact any thinking person who lives in a world of reality and facts might easily derive the opposite of what you say. And the opposite is that this club’s tribal members and their supporters are the neo-Nazis.

    As for the incredibly lame question of why Canada’s shame…
    Just for starters Ernst could arguably be considered, in a round about way, the first inmate of Guantanamo North.

    “We should fly the Canadian flag at half staff, to mark the death of Freedom of Expression for all Canadians. Canada has jailed and tortured, for two years in solitary confinement, a resident of our country, at the bidding of vindictive Jewish organizations, and without ever charging the man with a crime.”

    Shame! Shame! Shame! on Canada!

    And shame on you

  14. Jonas Rand said on October 21st, 2010 at 2:44pm #

    “A famous free speech advocate, pacifist, human rights activist and holocaust skeptic. All perfectly legitimate, some might say, admirable traits. ”

    Then your definition is incorrect, especially the “pacifist” part. Moreover, he is not a “human rights activist”, he doesn’t care about anyone’s human rights. Zuendel is a neo-Nazi and holocaust denier, revered in right-wing/White nationalist circles. As far as free speech goes, he only wants to protect the speech of neo-Nazis and other holocaust revisionists and considers any mainstream or left-of-Klan perspective on race relations as being “politically correct”. If you are genuinely concerned with the human rights of Palestinians, or anyone in fact, he is not the person you should embrace. He is not sensible and he only promotes hatred for people. So I’m not buying into any of this propaganda. White people should help to heal and rectify the damage that we have done to people of color throughout history and the privilege that is retained because of it. Sympathizing with hatemongers is completely contrary to any positive action for the human rights of minorities, as well as basic common sense.

    Also, I have never heard of James Ennes before now, so chances are that I probably have never called him a neo-Nazi. But after researching him a bit, allow me to say that under no circumstances do I have any evidence that he is; as such, I do not believe that he is a neo-Nazi or anti-Semite. Indeed, I believe I made a post stating that the USS Liberty crew were victims of Israeli terrorism.

  15. 3bancan said on October 21st, 2010 at 3:49pm #

    “Zuendel is a neo-Nazi and holocaust denier, revered in right-wing/White nationalist circles.”
    “he only promotes hatred for people”
    .
    .
    .
    Typical zionazi blather…

  16. Jonas Rand said on October 21st, 2010 at 4:49pm #

    Kalidas said:

    “What are you suggesting? That I (gasp) am not basing my opinion on (kosher) news sources? That I perhaps possess such radical subversive a thing as an independent thought? Guilty again. Off to the gulag again!”

    If you’re sympathizing with the points of view of white supremacists, then no, I would say not only do you not have independent thought, but I have to question your sanity. Hate is controlling the minds of the neo-Nazis, which is why they have this idea that all media is controlled by Jews unless it parrots the ideas of other neo-Fascists. Now I have no doubt that most mainstream media is controlled by Anglo-Saxon/’White’ people, which includes most American Jews and Christians, but to say that it is a Jewish conspiracy directly emanates from the hatred being spread by racialists and other instruments of oppression and disinformation. The resurgence of 1990s militias in the USA with a nativist bent and the recent influx of nativism in Europe is indicative of the power of racial and prejudiced rhetoric. Prejudice should be eliminated not spread; whether it’s anti-Jewish, anti-Palestinian, or the crude “white pride” people who are pushing the idea that the discrimination and pain inflicted upon people of color, historically and currently, is justifiable and requires no rectification.

    All prejudice should be eliminated through acceptance, healing, and dialogue. We need to open our minds and be more sensitive to the plights and struggles of people of color in a world whose powerful circles are dominated by wealthy White males.

  17. 3bancan said on October 21st, 2010 at 10:30pm #

    Jonas Rand said on October 21st, 2010 at 4:49pm #
    “Hate is controlling the minds of the neo-Nazis, which is why they have this idea that all media is controlled by Jews unless it parrots the ideas of other neo-Fascists. Now I have no doubt that most mainstream media is controlled by Anglo-Saxon/’White’ people, which includes most American Jews and Christians, but to say that it is a Jewish conspiracy directly emanates from the hatred being spread by racialists and other instruments of oppression and disinformation.”

    What a beautiful example of perfected zionazi blather and hubristic zionazi mendacity..

  18. kalidas said on October 22nd, 2010 at 6:30am #

    Exactly what was to be expected. So predictable, the read between the lines oozing bile ever held in reserve for “the other.” Mission accomplished, Mr. Rand!

    Mr. Rand only added to my conviction that he and his gang of 2% are the 21st century neo-Nazis, not so existentially speaking, of course.

    Excuse me while I go wash my hands.

  19. catguy00 said on October 22nd, 2010 at 7:18pm #

    Too bad you couldn’t successfully rebute Mr. Rand and had to fall back on the predictable name calling.

  20. Jonas Rand said on October 22nd, 2010 at 8:32pm #

    Who are you, 3bancan? I’m getting tired of your antics. What’s your real name?

    Maybe I should have been more clear. I wanted to say that while there are many media enterprises that are run by Jews, it is a prejudiced theory peddled by neo-Nazis and assorted racialists to say that the mainstream media is a Jewish conspiracy, meaning a conspiracy by the Jewish religion and its adherents to control…well…everything from the American Empire’s wars to the media to Indonesia. Also, it is simply insane (unless you are a neo-Nazi) for you to be sympathetic to Ernst Zuendel – you cannot claim ignorance anymore. Put everything in context.

  21. hayate said on October 22nd, 2010 at 10:26pm #

    The main difference between a zionazi and a nazi is the zionazi pretends to be something else. Many thanks to hasbarats catguy00 and Jonas Rand formaking that so obviously clear about themselves.

  22. kalidas said on October 23rd, 2010 at 8:25am #

    I’m also sympathetic to science and math.

  23. catguy00 said on October 23rd, 2010 at 10:49am #

    “The main difference between a zionazi and a nazi is the zionazi pretends to be something else. Many thanks to hasbarats catguy00 and Jonas Rand formaking that so obviously clear about themselves.”

    On this board a “zionazi” is anyone who does not believe in the Jew conspiracy theory to control the world.

  24. 3bancan said on October 23rd, 2010 at 12:07pm #

    catguy00 said on October 23rd, 2010 at 10:49am #

    “On this board a “zionazi” is anyone who does not believe in the Jew conspiracy theory to control the world.”

    Another typical product of a zionazi brain…

  25. Jonas Rand said on October 23rd, 2010 at 12:33pm #

    On some occasions this board has been visited by fanatical Zionists — Zionazis — mainly to cause flaming. So I don’t think it is irrational to criticize those visitors to this site and call them out for who they are. However I do not support Israel and think that Zionism is a colonial system of apartheid-like ethnic cleansing. Indeed, one of the only things that Israel and occupied Gaza can compare to would be Apartheid South Africa and its bantustans. And yes, Israel is very Nazi-like. So why, Kalidas, are you simply supporting other Nazis?

    Kalidas said:
    “I’m also sympathetic to science…”

    If that were true, why are you supporting a holocaust denier and neo-Nazi? Actually, I don’t expect a genuine answer, I just want this question to be out there.

  26. 3bancan said on October 23rd, 2010 at 1:45pm #

    kalidas said on October 23rd, 2010 at 8:25am #

    “I’m also sympathetic to science and math.”

    Imho it’s quite natural that people who are “sympathetic to science and math” are skeptic about what the holocaust religionists preach.
    It’s typical of zionazis to demonize anyone who dares to not believe what the zionazis preach:
    1) they immediately accuse him/her of being “a Nazi”, “a holocaust denier”, “insane”, an irrational Jew-hater (they “promote hatred for people”)
    2) they may criticize some Jewish actions but at the same time they will accuse anybody else who dares to not like the barbarity perpetrated by quite a few Jews and supported by most of them of “Jewish conspiracy”: “I wanted to say that while there are many media enterprises that are run by Jews, it is a prejudiced theory peddled by neo-Nazis and assorted racialists to say that the mainstream media is a Jewish conspiracy, meaning a conspiracy by the Jewish religion and its adherents to control…well…everything from the American Empire’s wars to the media to Indonesia” – a beautiful example of zionazi “argumentation”. It’s normal for a zionazi to suffer from the illness called Jew-blindness, ie not to see the zionazification of the world that is marching on. Just look at his use of the foggy “many” in “many media enterprises that are run by Jews”. Let me be more concrete: Is it the expected 2% of the US media? Imho it’s an obvious fact that it’s nearer to the percentage 100%-2%=98% than to 2%…

  27. hayate said on October 23rd, 2010 at 2:24pm #

    3bancan said on October 23rd, 2010 at 1:45pm

    Exactly.