What’s going on today in Palestine and throughout the world is a “continuum” of human atrocities and Zionism really should not be singled out as some other “ism” (or fill in the blank). That this behavior is consistent of the ruling plutocrats for the past 10,000 years.

While this argument may be “empirically” true the struggle of 2010 ain’t the same struggle of 8000 BC.

There is at least three thinkers who arrogate themselves the right to think. I do not want to read DB’s mind. But a question arises, do u hate ‘jews’ that much that u promote violence agaisnt them by a weak people.

Violence against “jews” by a weak people?! Are you that daft!

I’m being quite polite and respectful to you bozh. But your writing is so obtuse that effectively no one can understand what the hell you’re saying. And when you do say something coherent it’s incoherent. And when criticized you then accuse me of shutting you down.

As I said recently, this is a discussion board and you have a keyboard and no one is stopping you (actually in your case bozh I wish someone was) from typing your thoughts. The problem bozh is that most of the time I don’t understand what the hell you’re trying to say. Ironically however I don’t you do either.

to begin with, you have proved over the last two/three years that you are incapable of composing a coherent English sentence. Which I suspect is a tactic via which you hope to disarm criticism, since if nobody knows exactly what you meant to say, it becomes difficult to refute it.

Do you or do you not assert that the Hamas leadership in Gaza is dishonest-? If such is your meaning, then I submit that you don’t even qualify as a Troll: you ain’t nothing but a hasbarat, bozhing all th time…

Are you trying to tell DV readers that the reason the Izzies trashed Gaza is because the Gazans didn’t love each other enough? No shit? Sounds pretty callous to ME…

& watt thuff’ ukiz this “UEI”? translation please, anybody here speak Bozheze?

So you think the Suisse have created a model society? So all the Palestinians need to do is open a bunch of banks empowered to launder drug profits and other ill-gotten gains of the international capitalist class?

but finally you expose yourself: >”do u hate ‘jews’ that much that u promote violence agaisnt them by a weak people.”<
That sentence is nothing but pure Zionist propaganda bullshit. Pure hasbara.

Go wash your brain out with liquid plumber.

In short, the country was much dysfunctional as US cake walk into it proves. It was ripe for the taking. Now, US sits back and looks on the carnage among the three imprisoned peoples that US keeps forcibly together for easier rulling over them.
Iraq also waged a war against iran for about nine yrs. And west was encouraging [abusing] iraqis to kill more iranians.
True baathists behave like socialists i some ways. Syria was ruled by baathists also, yet atacked baathists in iraq ’91.
Surely, iraqi leadership cannot put blame on US for it. Yes, US aggression was a criminal act. But why pave the road into iraq for them; especially, knowing how criminally minded ‘jews’ and americans are? More could be said. tnx

Similarly if UEI would increase its terror against a pal’n egalitarian society, then again my proposal would be wrong one.
But one cannot prove anything unless we first have a society in palestina like or even better than, say, the one in switzerland.

It seems to me quite wrong to imagine a future event; evaluate as factual and on basis of that call my propostition “callousness” and yet nothing happened.

As for pal’n resources such as water, how can it be worse than it is? OK! maybe it can get worse. I am not prophecying anything. I am not a hebrew nor a deabeat that can predict events to happen and on basis of that ‘fact’ do a lot of condemnation of other thinkers.
There is at least three thinkers who arrogate themselves the right to think. I do not want to read DB’s mind. But a question arises, do u hate ‘jews’ that much that u promote violence agaisnt them by a weak people.
And u watching the carnage of a imprisoned people. tnx

When you’re utterly defeated, behave like czechs have in WW2: offer only massive passive resistance and wait for better times. Presenlty, pal’ns have zero chance to win or defend an inch of land; so, why continue military resistance when it fails so badly?

I agree with T42. It’s as if Max Shields has returned.

What pal’n leadership should do is work on own people. Make them more egalitarian, respectfull of one another; provide education; feeed them well, etc. And then see what develops.

More fantasy and callousness.

First. The Zionists are strangling the Palestinians access to resources.

Second. The racist Zionists will do everything to disrupt any sort of egalitarian society. Racism is a sickness and racists will start wars in order to disrupt and destroy whole societies (take a look at Iraq) in order to maintain their superiority. This is why Zionism is WORST than Capitalism. This is an understanding that has been suppressed on the American Left by chomskyism.

Sorry bozh but you really need to analyze your remarks. The obtuseness in your thinking has clouded your judgments.

As for gaza, UEI wants as a prison. So, if hamas would say, Take us, UEI would say, Are we that stupid? It is already ours and and best for us as things are.

In any case, as i have already noted, US-Europe-Israel [uei] will never talk to legal representatives of the pal’ns.
But pal’ns could have each other and in peace with each other. It’s a possibility! But whatever happens, palestine cannot ever rise without permit from UEI.

It’s all over for Iraq, afgh’n, and palestina! Unless there is a massive revolt in US involving at least 50 mn americans. tnx

How rudyard kipling arrogant can you get?

what “pal’n leadership” are you talking about, bozhman? Abbas & the Fatah Thieves? How are “pal’n leaders” supposed to “feed them well”, while Izzy controls the borders & limits even the measly “aid” donated by EU, Arab “regimes” etc? How is Hamas supposed to “feed (Gazans) well” under the fucking blockade? You have heard about the blockade, I assume?

Sheesh & double sheesh.

“all wars are waged solely for land;”: right out of the Henry George playbook.

“Presenlty, pal’ns have zero chance to win or defend an inch of land; so, why continue military resistance when it fails so badly?”

So Hamas should hand Gaza back to Izzy & apologize?

It is true that an endless number of reasons are given for an aggression; however, causative factors are always omitted.
Or as i say, aggressors proffer us only sensation, but always without causation.

When you’re utterly defeated, behave like czechs have in WW2: offer only massive passive resistance and wait for better times.
Presenlty, pal’ns have zero chance to win or defend an inch of land; so, why continue military resistance when it fails so badly?
Anything else i better!

Of course, i have numerous times stated that pal’ns are legally and morally obligated to resist further loss of land and occupation.
Resistance in norway, first yugoslavia, albania, and greece worked, but only because mighty empires were also fighting germans and not just partisans.
And partisans of yugoslavia were helped militarilly by UK.

Had the axis powers beaten allies or war ended stalemated, partisans would have met the fate of the pal’ns. And not just because italo-german power but because extremely violent fascists of slovenia, croatia, bosnia, serbia, monte negro, macedonia, albania, and greece.

What pal’n leadership should do is work on own people. Make them more egalitarian, respectfull of one another; provide education; feeed them well, etc.
And then see what develops.
One thing i would expect is that israelis would never be able to set up a puppet from an ideally-structured society. Nor would they be able to split them asunder.
More could be said. tnx

All following the “tnx” is a comment on a couple lines of Mulga’s otherwise excellent post; I began by expressing astonishment, then posted as above.

Sorry, my bad:(

First, no matter what the shortcomings of the Taliban, I see no reason to smear them by comparing them to Zionist "settlers". The Taliban are fighting against a foreign army which has invaded their country; these "settlers" on the other hand ARE a foreign army which has invaded somebody else's country, and deserve anything they get.
The Palestinians have the right to defend themselves from aggression under International Law, by armed force or any other method they choose.

There is no such thing as an "innocent civiian settler", except a child too young to carry an UZI.

‘Jews’ of my experience appear belligerent and much separatistic. Another difference between ‘jews’ and goyim is that no ‘jew’ can be muslim or christian while a bosnian can be catholic, orthodox, muslim, or totally impious.

One question, had ever any ‘jew’ [?aside from r.novak]publicly renounced yahweh, torah, talmud, rabbinate?
Or condemned nakbah and robbery of palestina via terror and othe crimes?
There may be more differences between people of mosheic cult and other cults. tnx

I believe that I had stated previously that I believe Abbas is a puppet. When I said a ‘leader’ I meant he was an authoritarian, just as Netanyahu is and that his ideology is based in top-down, hierarchical control. But Abbas doesn’t represent all Palestinians or even most and does not lead them. He seems to agree with the US and Israel on many things such as economy.

You said:
“To me, all three major religions’ leaderships appear as a mafioso organizations.
Ulema, priesthood, and rabbinate appears as the greatest criminal minds we had to face to date.”

Religious leaders are corrupt and do act like syndicates, I agree. They use belief in god to exercise power and control over others. ‘Faith’ is used to lead people in to support wars, violence, etc. all in the name of a set of ‘unquestionable’ beliefs, which is how a cult works (through coercion).

You continued by saying:
“The label ‘jew’, in my usage denotes a cult or connection to that cult via relatives, upbringing, etc. These cultists comprise not only differnt shade of skin but also hundreds of ethnicities. A pole may be catholic or not. A ‘jew’ maybe a pole, lithuanian, romanian, ethiopean but discards his/her heritage and accepts to whatever degree her-his essence called “jewishness”. But even a catholic austrian is first of all austrian and then a husband, father, friend, countryman, and last and least a catholic. So, i suggest to ‘jews’: first divulge your biological connection then act like a human and only then act like a mosheist or talmudnik. One day a person would say: i am partly let, pole german but of a faith! One does often hear people saying i am part indigenous, german, irish.tnx”

I understand your point, that people should be humans first and that their religions/faiths/beliefs should be of lower priority. But Judaism also has a rule that if one’s mother was Jewish, then you are as well. Also, I’m not sure about genetics etc. but I think that Jews share common genetic patterns. Members of coercive/religious institutions who follow priests, rabbis, mullahs, etc., while they may not have the same seemingly superior attitude of being a “Jew” over a human being, are rigid in the way that they cling to beliefs and do not open their minds to other suggestions. So I don’t think this cult-like quality is unique amongst Jews. On the other hand, this essence of “Jewishness” is very prominent amongst those Jews who are ultra-Orthodox, and Orthodox Jews accept some political and religious beliefs that are rather supremacist.