Jonas, a couple of good short books detailing Izzy’s activities in Central America and Iran-Contra were written by Jane Hunter, whose now-defunct newsletter “Israeli Foreign Affairs” was mainly devoted to detailed coverage of the Izzy weapons export bidness, and co-written by Peter Dale Scott.

So both DB’s comment and Mulga’s more detailed explanation are absolutely correct & on the mark, and corroborated by the two authors.

I’d guess Hunter’s “IFA” should be archived online somewhere? Of course Scott has published numerous books since the Oliver North era, many of which have received considerable attention.

BTW, an interesting peek into how Power really works in this world is provided by the fact that Fidel Castro and Isreali weapons merchant Rafael Eitan have maintained a friendly relationship dating back to the landing of the Granma. “Rafi” has been allowed to continue leasing some agricultural properties originally owned by Fidel’s father. Go figure:)

Here’s a web site of the some other used car salesman types I saw the other night on the tube. Such bullshit.

http://www.aclj.org/

This photo illustrates that very well. I watched it live and it looked as if the new mother-in- law of a nice Jewish boy looked as if she was going to kiss Bibi. (Bibi is actually a Mileikowsky and son of Benzion Mileikowsky from Warsaw). Look at the poor neglected PA stooge left out of things at the end.

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No that is not true. Chomsky is not a pseudo-”Leftist”. People who often refer me to Blankfort etc. often have this ridiculous theory of “khazar migration”, that the “jew” is not really related to the Ancient Hebrews but some kind of “khazar empire” mass convert menace devil who decided to invade and then infiltrate the US government in some conspiracy theory.

That is not Blankfort take nor is it mine. The issue has to do with power and influence. As James Petras makes clear about Chomsky and Chomskyism …

Those who deny Zionist power over US Mid East foreign policy are left-Zionists namely Noam Chomsky and his acolytes. They never analyze the legislative process, executive decision-making, the structures and activity of the million member Zionist grassroots and the appointments and background of key policy makers deciding strategic policies in the Middle East. Instead they resort to superficial generalizations and political demagogy, imputing policy to “Big Oil” and the “military-industrial complex” or “US imperialism”. Categories devoid of empirical content and historical context about real existing policy making regarding the Middle East.

Jonas you idea are a reflection of the indoctrination that Chomskyism has on the Left for the past two generations. You go on to say …

The reality is that Israel does many things that are not in the interests of Israeli Jews or helping them achieve some magical takeover of everything worldwide, but in the interests of the United States gaining world power. Just like Colombia. For example, how did it help Zionism for Israel to send its military and Mossad to Central American dictatorships in the 1980s, which were US client states, and train death squads, armies, and Contra militia bands? These murderers and assassins were trained and formed for the purpose of suppressing popular insurgency and popular demonstrations for human + land rights, protecting the American corporate empire that had been expanding there, mostly based in fruit harvest and weapons production.

Israel involvement in Latin America during the 1980′s help it open a market for its weapons. That aided an abetted Zionism. Missing from many discussion on trade agreement is the free trade agreement that the U.S. has with Israel which was put into place in 1984. Zionism Jonas is not limited to Israel. Zionism is at home in the United States. This is what Chomsky conceal from his audience and what people like Jeffrey Blankfort and James Petras seeks to expose.

I cannot explain the attack on the Liberty, but the US and Israel governments have since had good relations. The proposed result of the war on Iraq would have nothing to do with consolidating Zionist control over Iraqi government. It was a war to pilfer oil from Iraq and sell it out to foreign corporations through contracts, so that yuppies can fuel up their SUVs, the celebrity chauffeurs their limousines, all at the expense of the desperate, grieving Iraqi population.

Really Jonas? Can you provide evidence that the war was for oil or are you REPEATING what you’ve been told. What you’ve heard repeated endlessly by Chomskyites. What the Chomskyite Left has done Jonas is POSE as “Leftist” because mainstream media is so horrid that they appear to be “radical” when in fact they are not. Their job is to maintain a pretense of radicalism while ensure they obscure the role, power, and influence of Zionism throughout the political economy of the U.S. There is plenty of evidence Jonas that the war was NOT for oil and that Zionists advocated and pushed for the War on Iraq. The war benefited Israel aims and harmed U.S. interests.

Also, if USA are being manipulated, why did the USA prop up the military machine of Israel from its inception as a state? Had the United States out right opposed plans for Zionist settlement in Palestine, and never given it hundreds of millions in funding as it did (possibly billions), it would have never been powerful as a state, even with Balfour. It would have never had very much military power and I doubt that it would have even lasted for 20 years.

Think Jacob! It’s because Zionist have tremendous power INSIDE the United States. Zionists can effect U.S. elections because of its power network. Jews have tremendous power and influence in the Democratic Party and was able to convince Harry Truman to support the creation of Israel. Zionism has been allowed to flourish and now even the Republicans are big supporters of Israel. The Left has been next to absent on this issue. So while the Left can speak out loudly against the Right and White Supremacy. When it comes to the going power and influence of Jewish Supremacy (Zionism) there is hardly a squawk.

As for this article, Israel’s state terrorism against Lebanon is unjustifiable and shameful, as are their abuses against Palestinians. The Zionist entity has waged war against all countries that surround it. I think Chomsky agrees about this. In fact, as Chomsky has mentioned many times before, the threat of force is in violation of the United Nations Charter and as a member of the United Nations, its greatest ally the United States should condemn this.

But the problem with Chomsky analysis is that he make it appears that Israel is the “puppet” and that the U.S. pulls all the strings. But isn’t it interesting that the Zionist billionaires choose to live in the United States and not Israel yet they “support” Israel more than they do the United States. Somehow this facet is missed by Chomsky.

It had no problem approving ‘debilitating sanctions’ for Iraq, which actually did debilitate the Iraqi population, bringing them to the brink of starvation. Hezbollah’s is actually a very inspirational struggle against oppression. Hassan Nasrallah is not a terrorist, nor should the armed struggle by Hezbollah in Palestine be used as a justification for Israel’s crimes.

As Chomsky himself said on Israeli TV that he supports Israel. Right there that admission displays his allegiance and contradicts his claim of Libertarian Socialist.

I ask you simply would you support David Duke who speaks out against Zionism? My guess is that you’d answer no. I feel the same way about Chomsky.

Typical soft zionazi blather…

As for this article, Israel’s state terrorism against Lebanon is unjustifiable and shameful, as are their abuses against Palestinians. The Zionist entity has waged war against all countries that surround it. I think Chomsky agrees about this. In fact, as Chomsky has mentioned many times before, the threat of force is in violation of the United Nations Charter and as a member of the United Nations, its greatest ally the United States should condemn this. It had no problem approving ‘debilitating sanctions’ for Iraq, which actually did debilitate the Iraqi population, bringing them to the brink of starvation. Hezbollah’s is actually a very inspirational struggle against oppression. Hassan Nasrallah is not a terrorist, nor should the armed struggle by Hezbollah in Palestine be used as a justification for Israel’s crimes.

I’m not sure you’re right about Chomsky, have you read any of his books for yourself, or any essays that he wrote on other subjects? He seems like he supports social equality. Just because Deadbeat and other anti-Chomsky socialists (who are against him because he is a Zionist and is against BDS) say that he is for social hierarchy, Jewish supremacy and oppression of Palestinians, doesn’t mean it isn’t worth it to get his perspective on things.

Jonas,

T42 provided you with some useful links especially to James Petras. I hope you read his latest article posted on DV. I also refer you to Jeffrey Blankfort.:

Jeff Blankfort critic of Noam Chomsky [Podcast]

Damage Control: Noam Chomsky and the Israel-Palestine Conflict

He is a self-defined libertarian socialist rather than a right-winger, but (by his own admission) his activity in Zionist activism in his youth sometimes clouds his perspective. It’s good to get a diversity of ideas and analyse them, though. That’s why I joined this place.

That’s a good start and I applaud you for keeping an open mind.

Chomsky seeking to maintain the “Jewish” character of Israel is an obvious violation of the principles of Libertarian Socialism. Also that position is unjust to the Palestinians. Remember when we talk about Palestinians we are talking about a once SECULAR nation whose population was multicultural. In other words the idea of Palestine is a more just concept than the idea of a “Jewish” State.

IMO the purpose of Chomsky and Chomskyism is to pose as “Leftist” in order to define and control public perception of the Left.

I`ve just noted that u wrote that i minimize importance of ideology. What i actually write and over and over again so that people would remember it, is this: I do not want to ever call theft of land with murder and expulsion in mind an ideolgy; i.e., an ism like zionism, colonialism, americanism.

Zionism, Americanism, Racism, Colonialism are more than just land theft, murder and expulsion. They are what LEADS to and JUSTIFIES those deplorable actions. Ideology is what is used to foster a way of thinking and perception of the world.

So killing a mass of indigenes in americas or a-bombings civil pop is not americanism or any ism, but murder-theft of one`s heritage-inheritance. Only in this panhuman behavior i agree with Shields.

You are right. These action are not ideologies. These actions are the OUTCOMES of an ideology.

I wonder if some of uze guyz blitzread and blitzunderstand what some people write and are thus angry or even go ballistic? Why not try peace irrespective what one says? And u say you`re for peace and getting along? tnx

I read exactly what you wrote and sought to correct your misuse of these terms. It is the misuse of terms that leads to confusion and misunderstandings.

I’m not sure you’re right about Chomsky, have you read any of his books for yourself, or any essays that he wrote on other subjects? He seems like he supports social equality. Just because Deadbeat and other anti-Chomsky socialists (who are against him because he is a Zionist and is against BDS) say that he is for social hierarchy, Jewish supremacy and oppression of Palestinians, doesn’t mean it isn’t worth it to get his perspective on things. He is a self-defined libertarian socialist rather than a right-winger, but (by his own admission) his activity in Zionist activism in his youth sometimes clouds his perspective. It’s good to get a diversity of ideas and analyse them, though. That’s why I joined this place.

So killing a mass of indigenes in americas or a-bombings civil pop is not americanism or any ism, but murder-theft of one`s heritage-inheritance. Only in this panhuman behavior i agree with Shields.
I wonder if some of uze guyz blitzread and blitzunderstand what some people write and are thus angry or even go ballistic? Why not try peace irrespective what one says? And u say you`re for peace and getting along? tnx

One could use the word “chomskyism“ for what he did and wants to do. But deabeat avoids to list what chomsky did or wants to do; i.e., actually give facts and not conclusions, opinions, wishful thinking, etc. tnx

Deadbeat, would you like to explain what exactly chomskyism wants to do? I only KNOW that he’s not an egalitarian nor does he respect our second-dearest panhuman right, ROR .

Chomskyism, zionism, catholicism, americanism, socialism, fascism, communism, are just labels. They are far removed from reality and always appear meaningful-meaningless; i.e., cannot ever be defined to satisfaction to all of us!

I have often stated that it is the plutocrats that hold all of the econo-military-governmental power in all lands where that is enacted into ‘laws’ [read please lawlessness or diktats]
One can get rich, whether in russia, india, or US, only if one robs people. That`s why i noted that the world fascists are uniting like never before.
That includes fascists in israel.
But concluding that `jewish` or israeli fascists, who comprise ?001% of world pop control all those in christian lands, plus much of asia and afrika, is not for me.

So robbing people of their inheritance-heritage appears as an universal and appears at least 10 k yrs.
I do not object at all if anyone wants to single israel or `jews`as the worst perps of crimes.
Nazis, US, japan among many have commited more crimes than `jews`, but only becuase the former evil empires were larger and stronger and not, imo, because they differ an iota in basic thinking from one another.

In any case, i leave the topic of which nation or a cult has committed more crimes relative to their numbers to scientists. But i bet, none would take up these labors! It really makes no dfference. More and more vicious crimes awaits us from world fascists!
So, to repeat main points:
(1 world fascist rule much of the world.
(2 one needs power. In US, say, they need to utterly control army-cia-fbi-police-private spies-`private army` echelons.
(3 keep on passing diktats or act in a lawless fashion. tnx

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S2jZo-FYLA&feature=related

Actually I’m not surprised that Bozh would write that as he sees the issue as a continuum of the rich v. poor/rulers v. ruled/world plutocrats v. the rest of us. This again is classic Chomskyism. Which is to say the use of broad axiomatic explanation result in confusion and clarifies nothing.

In Chomsky’s case, “U.S. Imperialism” is axiomatic. The same is true with Bozh’s vast minority of people in any asocialistic-inegalitarian structure of society and governance holds all econo-military-governmental powers. — No shit!

But these axioms are too simplistic and misses the deeper point of POWER … who’s got it, and how they use it to impel others to inflict wars, occupations, covert actions, “borders”, mass incarceration, environmental degradation and lies lies lies on human beings all over the globe.

Axiomatic explanations result in a distortion of who the plutocrats are, how they pull the strings of “U.S. Imperialism” and for what reasons and interests. It distorts who our allies and comrades really are and how we engage or disengage; what to focus on and what’s being obscured — and WHY!

IMO, I think bozh is rather naive in his outlook. He agreed with Max Shields on the minimization of importance of ideology and the recent analysis of Naomi Klein which is important in order to understand why she is no ally.

Chomsky on the other hand his a master manipulator and in order to understand why the Left is so corrupted and weak one needs to spend time analyzing his sympathies.

The Zionist entity bought over 100 of GBU-28 of 5,000 lb weaponized uranium aerosol bombs from the US with the permission of the US Knesset (Congress). These WMDs were used by the 30,000-strong Jewish army during the last days of the 34-day invasion of Lebanon in Summer 2006. Since no bomb was dropped on the Jewish quarters in Beirut where around 500 Jews still live, it’s no crime in the ‘civilized’ West. However, the real story began after the defeat of the Jewish army.

“The bombing was concentrated just north of the shared Israeli Lebanese border. Both sides of the border are rural farming areas, both sides were subject to poison gas in the form of about 400,000 lbs, or 184,818 kg, of radioactive aerosols in two days. The contaminated fruits and vegetables were ultimately sold and presumably consumed in the European Union, Israel and Lebanon, as well as other participating trading partner countries.

Shortly before the bombing, Israeli Jews were removed from the area. After the bombing anti-Zionist Jews were moved in to work the radiologically contaminated Israeli farms by the Israeli Defense Forces. As one person commented, “Y’know, the Orthodox guys with long sideburns that nobody likes.”

Weaponized uranium ions attack a Human population’s reproductive capacity at the cellular level, their brains and bones……..”

http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/can-jews-kill-jews/

This, posted above, is total confusion, total nonsense, totally incorrect, and if accepted, harmful to the Palestinian cause, the cause of world justice & peace, and to the longterm survival of mammals on the planet Earth, quote:

“So, it’s a mistake to single out israeli leadership or aipac as the worst of the evil minds. And especially in view that tiny and waterless-mineless palestina appears as total dependency of the christian world.” –Bozh, above.

With friends like these, who needs hasbarats.

It is not a question of “evil minds”, but a question of POWER, who’s got it, and how they use it to impel others to inflict wars, occupations, covert actions, “borders”, mass incarceration, environmental degradation and lies lies lies on human beings all over the globe.

What Bozh means by “palestina” I can’t fathom. Does he mean the WBGS? Or that plus the pre-1967 Occupied Territory, aka “israel”? And religion has nothing to do with it.

Just what we need: somebody piling confusion on confusion.

The late professor Israel Shahak, a Holocaust survivor and the then chairman of Israeli league for Human and Civil Rights, stated: “There is nothing new in the fact that Israel is a terrorist state, which almost from its inception has used its inteligence service [the Mossad] to assassinate people on foreign soil with any violence or terror it considers necessary for its ends.”

As to wars of aggression by Israel, against its neighbours, the list is long and includes the wars of 1956, 1967, 1978, 1982, 2006, 2008/2009, besides the hundreds of incursions and various acts in violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which are defined by international law as war crimes.

To me, what explains adequately-accurately our troubles, is the fact that a vast minority of people in any asocialistic-inegalitarian structure of society and governance holds all econo-military-governmental powers.
India appears as the best exemplar of such a structure of society! US structure appears better only because of its technological advances and not because US criminal minds think an iota differently than nazis, tsarists, amirs, lords, ceo, barons, et al

So, it’s a mistake to single out israeli leadership or aipac as the worst of the evil minds. And especially in view that tiny and waterless-mineless palestina appears as total dependency of the christian world.
Caveat: not that lendman is saying this– others seem to be saying this. Eg, US itself has done worse crimes, such as a-bombing two cities, etc. tnx