I think we need tools. Not weapons, of course! There may have been at least one shallow surface mine in bare rocks hurting only a few ants and and toads and maybe not as they may have moved a few yards away from the mine.

Communists [some christians attempeted to practice it 2k yrs ago] condemn imams, muftis, beys, beks, begs, ceos, large ranch owners, killers of indigenes, priests, lords, boyars, plemiches, counts, earls, media owners, banksters, et al,
So do i! But that still makes me only me!
I Y’AM still part fascist, communist, robber, liar, pretender, abuser of people-nature [aphids, slugs, bed bugs], waster of time-water-gasoline, zuni, shemitic, slav, germanic, mongol, lapp, inuit, bankster, et al. tnx

Americanism was and is now a butiful ideology or to say it simpler”: it appears as thinkings-sayings. But what is it in practice? It is quite different than thinkings suggested to us.

To understand life better or even to build more egalitarian societies, lets call isms [includes so called religion] ideating or thinking.
And on this level we can compare them as we wld an apple with an apple. Once we’ve done that, i suggest fervently, people chuck away all isms and simply look at or inquire ab what is going on.

So, SU was not socialist– if socialism at the end of development wld amount to an idyllic society where all kids wld get all the schooling, dental-medical care; adequate nutrition, etc.

Let’s also note, that before one is a communist or catholic, one is first of all human, who grew up in an iniquitous society and, believe me, it raises mostly or only nutcases.
So, the nut- or basket- cases manage our affairs. And hell descends upon us!

Practice makes perfect people say. Building an egalitarian society and a timocratic governance-administration [this being a proces; and whatever one says it IS; well, it ISN'T that] takes time.
No one and no thing can BE! Everything and everybody changes, becomes, is related. If one wants to use the verb TO BE, it wld be ok if one keeps in mind that one is talking ab a process.

So, what WAS USSR? But who cares? The question appears, what it was doing?
Well, we all know that asocialistic {fascist media} did not tell us that. And we were talking ab settings in russian empire which was not propitious for building an egaliatarian society quickly.
Germany had been by far more suitable for that because of its high-level industry and not because of its peasantry!

US had always told us what SU WAS: evil, bloodthirtsy, foolish, backward, oppressive, etc.

“State capitalism” What does that mean to me? But first, how does one describe state. It is high-order term. The anwers wrong-right or true false do not apply to any thinking that label channels one into.
So u can talk ab “state capitalism” for trns of yrs and no matter what us say u’l never be wrong or false.

Now u know why clinton, obama deliver brilliant speeches! Because they cannot be understood, since there is no grain of salt worth of instructive value there!
Hope i have clarified some of the nomenclature. tnx for ur comment an inquiry.

Our amazing intelligence seems to have outstripped our instinct for survival. We plunder the earth hoping that accumulating material surplus will make up for the profound, unfathomable thing that we have lost. Arundhati Roy

If advanced spacefaring aliens exploit resources like humans we’d better hope they don’t find us anytime soon. Hawking

As you go on to say this is why Marx preferred Socialism arising in the Capitalist states as to dismantle the powerful centers of Capitalism. If this argument is correct than that would mean from my perspective is that I’ve been misinformed by the Left’s description of the USSR as “State Capitalism”. Which would lead me to ask why the Left consistently described the USSR this way.

In the novel, Galt is the son of an Ohio garage mechanic, who leaves home at age twelve and begins college at Patrick Henry University at age sixteen. There he befriends Francisco d’Anconia and Ragnar Danneskjöld. John Galt is double-majoring in physics and philosophy. After graduating, Galt becomes an engineer at the Twentieth Century Motor Company, where he designs a revolutionary new motor powered by ambient static electricity. When the company owners decide to run the factory by the collectivist maxim, “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need,” Galt refuses to work there any longer and abandons his motor.

Galt takes over the airwaves to deliver a lengthy speech explaining the irrationality of collectivism and offering his own philosophy (actually a summary of Rand’s Objectivist philosophy) as an alternative. Galt spoke against what he saw as the “evil” of collectivism and Christian ideas of collective sin and guilt, and said they should be replaced by “enlightened” selfishness and individualism.[1] Seeking Galt after the speech, Taggart accidentally leads the authorities to him, and he is arrested. Taggart and the strikers rescue Galt as he is being tortured by the government. They return to Galt’s Gulch and prepare to build their own society as the collectivist government collapses. wiki

Enlightened selfishness and individualism is it John and abandon the motor did you. One thing for sure with what we now know tax carbon and hope like hell we can build that motor. So far with Capitalism it’s still self, selfishness it will not work.

And tax carbon and soon as a new way of thinking will take generations more than a few.

Communists, left, right, Democrat, Republican, rich, poor, man, women, Socialists, Capitalists, young, old. What’s coming down the track and headed for the cliff probably none of the above will slow it down a new way of thinking could just work.

This is cliche Don. If none of the above is useful then please tell me what is this “new way of thinking?”. Don’t tell me that it’ll come right back to democracy and convincing the masses to change the system for the benefits of all because that doesn’t sound new to me.

Mining is a crime against humanity, a crime against the earth and all of it’s plant and animal species. Mining must be stopped, whether it is done by right wing classical marxists, or milton friedman. True economic equality can exist in one country alone–to say otherwise is to excuse the pathetic unimaginative right wing scumbags that call themselves communists.

Lichen you are a typical liberal provocateur. Mining is a very ancient practice that even predates Capitalism and is NOT a “crime against humanity”. What is a crime is mining for profit and the exploitation of humans, animals and the environment in the process.

right wing classical marxists

What a ridiculous oxymoron. But then again I should omit the “oxy” when it comes to lichen’s arguments.

Bart in order for your argument to hold you have to ignore history. Throughout history the state always had a monopoly on violence yet there has been reforms and revolutions. So just because the state has such a monopoly doesn’t guarantee that it cannot be overthrown.

Because the state studies history it also know it cannot merely rely on violence therefore it deploys propaganda, Liberalism, identity politics, entertainment, the “American” Dream, usury, family courts, income taxes, racism, and other tactics that keeps the population distracted and isolated. Therefore the goal of socialism is not “hopeless”. It is really our only hope and very possible.

The propaganda that surrounds Capitalism is very powerful — especially in the U.S. This is due to the unique characteristics of the U.S. economy up until the 1970′s. The problem is that real analysis of the Capitalist system has been suppress for decades and badly articulated if at all by the Left stuck in Keynesianism. In addition, the U.S. is the world center of Capitalistic ideology.

The world, especially Latin America has suffered under the “Washington Consensus” for decades and has been rejecting the neoliberal ideology that was imposed on them. So they have instituted policies that redistributes some of wealth but none of these countries are Socialist. In order for that to happen what is needed is a world-wide movement.

You may have noticed that both Hugo Chavez and Evo Morales have been speaking out for the need to move to Socialism. Chavez has called for an Fifth Socialist International. He recognizes that Socialism cannot exist in isolation. This is a major reason why the U.S. wants to take out Chavez which is in contracts to the Left’s all things “War for Oil” axioms.

Clearly understanding that the state has a monopoly of violence did not stop the peoples in both Venezuela and Bolivia from changing their country’s direction. This is also why the U.S. has been in a 50 year war with Cuba as well because of the example they set. If changes can occur in these countries it certainly can happen in the U.S. and that is the ultimate fear of the U.S. elites.

I also doubt a single oil spill (no matter how big) is going to overturn centuries worth of economic practice. Hell, “we the people” can’t even make up our minds whether to place a temporary moratorium on deep-water drilling.

The BP catastrophic spew can’t be covered up like the Kennedy assassination or 9-11. It’s ongoing as well as its detrimental environmental and economic effects.

We succeeded in taking that picture [from deep space], and, if you look at it, you see a dot. That’s here. That’s home. That’s us. On it, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever lived, lived out their lives. The aggregate of all our joys and sufferings, thousands of confident religions, ideologies and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilizations, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every hopeful child, every mother and father, every inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every superstar, every supreme leader, every saint and sinner in the history of our species, lived there on a mote of dust, suspended in a sunbeam.

The earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that in glory and in triumph they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of the dot on scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner of the dot. How frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe, are challenged by this point of pale light.

Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity — in all this vastness — there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. It is up to us. It’s been said that astronomy is a humbling, and I might add, a character-building experience. To my mind, there is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly and compassionately with one another and to preserve and cherish that pale blue dot, the only home we’ve ever known. Sagan

So far it’s full speed ahead with a very old way of thinking.

The dot and that picture is on my refrigerator.

http://obs.nineplanets.org/psc/pbd.html

Pollution then was caused by heavy industrialization; manufacturing aircraft, tanks, ships, artillery.
And US knew it. Thus, its emplacemnet of n-missiles around SU. The aim is obvious: force the communists to enter arms race which they cld never win and probably counting on SU fascists to weaken it and force it into capitulation.

This the reason why marx chose germany to build first communist state; russia being much rural and peasant was not thought as suitable because of its military weakness .
Marx must have known that facsists wld eventually attack a weak socialist state and they did in 1941.
Actually, 1850-1941 the strongest communist countries had been italy and germany; with most russians being much asocialistic.tnx

For the coming weeks, months this site doesn’t miss much check out Africa. Who needs the Weather Channel or MSM can we make up our own mind? Of course we can with a little help from our friends.

By your definition of socialism, you’re shooting yourself in the foot. How is socialism ever to gain a foothold if it’s impossible for a socialist enclave to exist within a capitalist system? If the state has a monopoly on violence, that suggests a violent revolution is always doomed to fail. Barring a massive simultaneous global uprising, something like a worldwide French Revolution, you seem to be admitting you’re pursuing a hopeless goal. But if that’s what you’re holding out for, I wouldn’t hold my breath, and I doubt the result of such an uprising would be anything approaching socialism anyway.

“Who know but this crisis may be the one that convinces most people that Capitalism has to go.”

I also doubt a single oil spill (no matter how big) is going to overturn centuries worth of economic practice. Hell, “we the people” can’t even make up our minds whether to place a temporary moratorium on deep-water drilling.

Communists in SU wanted a peaceful co-existence with inegalitarian societies. Asocialist democracies, kingdoms did not. Right now they do not want a peaceful co-existence even with some asocialist countries let alone socialist ones like korea, cuba, or china.

The constant military threats against china froces china to spend more money on defense than it wld have to spend, had there been peaceful co-existence.

The fact is that SU was much more egalitarian than the western countries. Every bully and bully country wants peaceful co-existnece with people and peoples after they meet their demands.

And SU not being democratic? But where do u find an honest democracy? tnx