Twenty-Two Reasons Why American Working People Hate the State

Why does the right wing attack on “Big Government” increasingly resonates with working people? Liberals claim wage and salaried workers are acting against their “self-interest”, citing government welfare programs like social security and unemployment payments. Progressives argue that workers hostile to the state are ‘racists”, “fundamentalists” and/or irrational, blinded by misplaced fears of threats to individual freedoms.

I will argue there are many sound, rational, material reasons for working people to be in revolt against the state.

Twenty-Two Reasons Why Working People Hate the State

1. Most wage and salaried workers pay disportionately higher taxes than the corporate rich, and therefore millions of Americans work in the “underground economy” to make ends meet; thus subjecting themselves to arrest, and prosecution by the state for trying to make a living by avoiding onerous taxes.

2. The state provides generous multi-year tax exemptions for corporations thus raising the tax rate for wage and salaried workers or eliminating vital services. The state’s inequitable tax revenue policies provoke resentment,.

3. High taxes combined with fewer and more expensive public services, include growing costs of public higher education and higher health charges, feed popular antagonism and frustration that they and their children are being denied opportunities to get ahead and stay healthy.

4. Many working people resent the fact that their tax money is being spent by the state on endless distant wars and to finance bailouts of Wall Street instead of investing it in reindustrializing America to create well paying jobs or to aid unemployed or underemployed workers unable to meet mortgage payments and facing eviction or homelessness. Most workers reject the inequitable budget expenditures that privilege the rich and deny the working people.

5. Working people are appalled by the state’s hypocrisy and double standards in prosecuting “welfare cheats” for taking hundreds but overlooking corporate and banking swindlers, and Pentagon military cost overruns of hundreds of billions. Few working people believe there is equality before the law, implicitly rejecting its claims of legitimacy.

6. Many working class families resent the fact that the state recruits their sons and daughters for wars, leading to death and crippling injuries instead of public service jobs, while the children of the rich and affluent pursue civilian careers.

7. The state subsidizes and upgrades public infrastructure – roads, parks and utilities in upper end neighborhoods while ignoring the demands for improvements of low income communities. Moreover the state locates contaminants – incinerators, high polluting industries etc. – in close proximity to workers’ housing and schools.

8. The state holds the minimum wage below increases in the cost of living but encourages and promotes excess profits.

9. Law enforcement is strict in high end neighborhoods and lax in low income communities resulting in higher rates of homicides and robberies.

10. State imposes constraints on labor organizations struggling to secure wages and benefits and ignores corporate intimidation and arbitrary firings of workers. The state encourages corporate mergers and acquisitions leading to monopolies but discourages collective action from below.

11. State economic institutions recruit policy makers from banks and financial houses who make decisions favoring their former employers, while wage and salaried workers are excluded and have no representation in economic policy positions.

12. The state increasingly infringes on individual freedoms of social activists via the Patriot Act, arbitrary arrests, and grants impunity to police violence and punishes whistle blowers, rejecting citizen reviews with punitive powers.

13. The state is highly responsive to, and increases funding for, the military-industrial complex, the relocation of MNC overseas and the high income Israel lobby while cutting funding for public investment in productive activity, applied technology and high tech job training for US workers and salaried employees and their children.

14. State policies have increased inequalities between the top 10% and the bottom 50% for decades, turning the US into the industrial country with the greatest inequalities.

15. State policies have led to declining living standards as wage and salary earners work longer hours with less job security,for a greater number of years before receiving pensions and social security and under greater environmental hazards.

16. Elected state officials break most campaign promises to working people while fulfilling promises for the upper class/corporate banking elite.

17. State officials pay greater attention and are more responsive to a few big financial contributors than to millions of voters.

18. State officials are more responsive to payoffs from corporate lobbies protecting corporate profits than to the health, educational and income needs of the electorate.

19. State-corporate links lead to deregulation, which results in contamination of the environment leading to the bankruptcy of small businesses and loss of many jobs, as well as the loss of recreational areas, spoiling rest and recreation for working people.

20. The state increases the retirement age rather than increase the social security payments by the rich, with the result that workers in unhealthy work environments will enjoy fewer years of retirement in good health.

21. The state judicial system is more likely to render favorable decisions to wealthy plaintiffs with high paid, politically connected lawyers against workers defended by inexperienced public defenders.

22. State tax collectors are more likely to pursue wage and salary tax payers than upper class corporate executives employing accountants with expert knowledge in tax loopholes and tax free shelters.

Conclusion

The state in its multiple activities, whether in law enforcement, military recruitment, tax and expenditure polices, environmental, pension and retirement legislation and administration, systematically favors the upper class and corporate elite against wage, salaried and small business people.

The state is permissive with the rich and repressive of the working and salaried employees, defending the privileges of the corporations and the impunity of the police state while infringing on the individual freedoms of the working people.

State policies increasingly extract more from the workers in terms of tax revenues and provide less in social payments, while lessening tax payments from Wall Street and inflating state transfers.

Popular perceptions of a hostile and exploitative state correspond to their everyday practical experiences; their anti-state behavior is selective and rational; most wage and salaried workers support social security and unemployment benefits and oppose higher taxes because they know, or intuit, that they are unfair.

Liberal academics and experts who claim workers are “irrational” are, themselves, practioners of highly selective criticisms – pointing to (shrinking) state social benefits while ignoring the unjust, inequitable tax system and the biased behavior of the judicial, law enforcement, legislative and regulatory system.

State personnel, policy makers and enforcement officials are attentive to, and responsive and deferential to,.0 the rich and hostile and indifferent or arrogant toward workers.

In summary, the real issue is not that people are anti-state, but that the state is anti the majority of the people. In the face of the economic crises and prolonged imperial wars, the state becomes more brazenly aggressive in slashing living standards in order to channel record levels of public funds toward Wall Street speculators and the military industrial complex.

While liberal-progressives remain embedded in ‘neo-keynsian’ statest ideology, outmoded in the face of a state thoroughly embedded in corporate networks, the New Right’s “anti-statest” rhetoric resonates with the feelings, experiences and reasoning of important sectors of wage and salaried workers and small business people.

The attempt by liberals and progressives to discredit this popular revolt against the state, by pointing to the corporate financing and right wing manipulation behind the anti-statist movement is doomed to failure, because it fails to deal with the profound injustices experienced by working people today in their daily dealings with a state, largely administered by liberal corporate-militarists. The absence of an anti-statist left has opened the door for the rise of a mass based ‘New Right’.

A ‘new left’ will emerge from civil society when it recognizes the pernicious exploitative role of the state, and is capable of dealing with the powerful ties between liberalism-militarism-corporate “welfarism”. The revival and expansion of the debilitated public welfare programs for working people can only take place by dismantling the current state apparatus, and that depends on a complete break with both corporate parties and an agenda that ‘revolutionizes’ the way in which politics works in America.

James Petras, a former Professor of Sociology at Binghamton University, New York, owns a 50-year membership in the class struggle, is an adviser to the landless and jobless in Brazil and Argentina, and is co-author of Globalization Unmasked (Zed Books). Petras’ most recent books are The Politics of Empire: The Us, Israel and the Middle East (2014) and The Arab Revolt and the Imperialist Counterattack. He can be reached at: jpetras@binghamton.edu. Read other articles by James, or visit James's website.

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  1. Gary S. Corseri said on June 18th, 2010 at 8:47am #

    Fine article, Jim. Lists are for checking–and every item here checks out.

    About # 21, viz.: 21. “The state judicial system is more likely to render favorable decisions to wealthy plaintiffs with high paid, politically connected lawyers against workers defended by inexperienced public defenders.” There’s an excellent, short article in the June issue of MOTHER JONES: “Permission To Encroach The Bench,” about the politicization of judgeships in America; it’s noted that 39 states elect judges, and, as one victim of the system states, “Political campaigns are won and lost nowadays on the basis of how much money is spent.”

    The marriage of corporations and the State is how Mussolini defined Fascism. The working masses know in their guts that there has been a terrible marriage and that in this class warfare they’ve been losing ground; and the ground they hold is more and more polluted–environmentally, politically, socially.

    Liberal progressives need to remove their rose-colored spectacles. You have pointed them in the right direction!

  2. bozh said on June 18th, 2010 at 9:26am #

    Does one expect that the plutos who have privatized forests, minerals, industry, etc., wld not privatize the most important institution: that of governence and thus ‘law making’ and law interpretation.

    Actually, privatization of governance had preceded privatization of land. And in modern times money, power, land, minerals, schooling, information!
    US governance had been privatized on day one after the revolution!

    Privatization increases as army, cia, fbi, city police gets larger and stronger. It’s a vicious circle. All parts playing the same role! tnx

  3. kanomi said on June 18th, 2010 at 7:05pm #

    The idea of State is inherentally criminal. The idea that some group can set themselves above all others, take for themselves the majority of the bounty of the commons, that they can abrogate for themselves the right of life and death over others, is profoundly anathema to the essentially egalitarian human spirit and the basic moral equilibrium evident in nature.

    What kind of fool believes in the power of the state to liberate anyone? Everywhere and in all times, the State has been the primary instrument of death, tyranny, and oppression. It’s the state, and nowadays, its bastard offspring, the hyper-efficient micro-state we call the corporation, that has been murdering the planet, polluting the oceans, killing nature and turning life itself into a commodity to be bought, sold, and thrown away. All states, all corporations, are in the end hijacked by psychopaths or made to operate by competitive pressures under a psychopathic ideology, invariably mutated into vehicles of exploitation by elites.

    States, under psychopaths, are dealers in death, destroyers of cities, and killers of men.

    Once we see the criminality and inherent sociopathy of the State, we can put aside the blatantly false left-right paradigm, which is nothing but an ideological Chinese finger-trap designed to cripple opposition and deflect criticism of the status quo upon those very few who are trying to change it.

    This is the most insidious feature of the right-left delusion. I have met, I am sure all of you have met, good, honest, hard-working people, passionate people, who care about their country, who care about their community. They care about their world and about making it a better place. But they didn’t get all the way out of the maze. They are stuck in some dead end – an Obama bumper sticker, or the NRA, or Libertarianism, or some other trap that pulls them back in to the suicidal fratricide of the two-party dictatorship.

    Who is really running this Western capitalist global empire? You really think it’s right-wing radio ranters? Is it really powerless professorial liberal clowns? Maybe the Tea Party? How about insufferable mouth-shitters in the Establishment press?

    No. It is the ultra-elite billionaires whose puppets man the corporations, the governments, and the media matrix. These are the criminals that have their jackboot heels upon the throat of the Earth.

    The author believes, “A ‘new left’ will emerge from civil society when it recognizes the pernicious exploitative role of the state, and is capable of dealing with the powerful ties between liberalism-militarism-corporate ‘welfarism’.”

    Nothing of the sort will occur. There will be no civil society left after the thugs ram through their agenda of debt slavery, depopulation, and war for profit. Their agenda is psychopathic. It is not organized, it is just a system that is out of control, and every sociopath on the planet is hitching their star to the domination machine for short-term gain.

    Wars and economic disasters almost inevitably lead to tyranny and dictatorship, not Renaissances and the flowering of the human spirit. The inevitable result of this descent into folly is war, fascism, collapse and barbarism.

    I don’t know what’s next. But it’s not this anemic academic fantasy of the status quo.

  4. hayate said on June 18th, 2010 at 7:58pm #

    “While liberal-progressives remain embedded in ‘neo-keynsian’ statest ideology, outmoded in the face of a state thoroughly embedded in corporate networks, the New Right’s “anti-statest” rhetoric resonates with the feelings, experiences and reasoning of important sectors of wage and salaried workers and small business people.

    The attempt by liberals and progressives to discredit this popular revolt against the state, by pointing to the corporate financing and right wing manipulation behind the anti-statist movement is doomed to failure, because it fails to deal with the profound injustices experienced by working people today in their daily dealings with a state, largely administered by liberal corporate-militarists. The absence of an anti-statist left has opened the door for the rise of a mass based ‘New Right’.”

    Very good point. The zionists co-opted and destroyed the left in america to remove all opposition to the control of fascist capitalism. The zionists hid their complicity in this manipulation and did their job so well, that the working class no longer has any real left to turn to in america, outside of very small scale, independent instances, that most are neither aware of or have access to. The zionist/stealth fascist co-optation has been that complete. The betrayal has also turned many off the left because they see the duplicity these fake progressives operate with. So many turn to right-wing pundits who are mouthing what the progressives used to promise. But these right-wingers are also zionist fronts….

    To turn things around, dezionification is the first step. Otherwise, they will continue to sabotage all attempts to change and we’ll stay in the same place or worse.

  5. hayate said on June 18th, 2010 at 8:00pm #

    In short, the zionists keep the opposition to the status quo chasing their own tails so no progress is made.

  6. Late Revolution said on June 18th, 2010 at 10:43pm #

    In short, the United States is one shitty country to have to live in. Maybe not as bad as Nigeria or Pakistan, but bad.

  7. Jacqueline Homan said on June 18th, 2010 at 11:46pm #

    This article nailed it. For decades, Democrats — the so-called part of the little guy and gal — have brushed the ugly reality of classism under the carpet. ,a href=”http://www.amazon.com/Classism-Dimwits-Jacqueline-S-Homan/dp/0981567916/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1276929764&sr=1-2 “>Classism is the elephant in the room that everyone pretends doesn’t exist.

    Even the so-called liberal media has a nationwide blackout on the far-reaching devastation of deregulated utility monopolies. Since people think that “there’s all this help out there”, they think that anyone who dies from freezing to death in the winter, or in a residential fire caused by unsafe alternative heating methods, or heat stroke in the summer, all as a direct result of unaffordable utility bills and state policies that permit price-gouging, somehow these unfortunate people were “too stupid” to go apply for help….from the very same agencies that always run out of money, or whose administrators decide from their lofty positions of class privilege which of the poor are “deserving” and which are not.

    The result: 80% of those who are eligible and in desperate need of help are turned away. But nobody is talking about those who are turned away. Nobody is talking about the few who do get help that is grossly inadequate to prevent having their life-sustaining utilities shut off.

    As of December of 2009, over 5.7 million US households have had their utilities cut off because they can’t afford their bills because the rates are too high and people don’t have jobs that pay a living wage. Nobody is talking about the long-term unemployed destitute people who are victims of age discrimination and a real — not imagined — lack of enough jobs to go around for everyone who needs, wants and deserves one. To hear neocons and neolibs tell it, this is all by accident: An imperialism without imperialists. Class warfare is not an accident. And neither is classism.

  8. Jacqueline Homan said on June 18th, 2010 at 11:47pm #

    This article nailed it. For decades, Democrats — the so-called part of the little guy and gal — have brushed the ugly reality of classism under the carpet. Classism is the elephant in the room that everyone pretends doesn’t exist.

    Even the so-called liberal media has a nationwide blackout on the far-reaching devastation of deregulated utility monopolies. Since people think that “there’s all this help out there”, they think that anyone who dies from freezing to death in the winter, or in a residential fire caused by unsafe alternative heating methods, or heat stroke in the summer, all as a direct result of unaffordable utility bills and state policies that permit price-gouging, somehow these unfortunate people were “too stupid” to go apply for help….from the very same agencies that always run out of money, or whose administrators decide from their lofty positions of class privilege which of the poor are “deserving” and which are not.

    The result: 80% of those who are eligible and in desperate need of help are turned away. But nobody is talking about those who are turned away. Nobody is talking about the few who do get help that is grossly inadequate to prevent having their life-sustaining utilities shut off.

    As of December of 2009, over 5.7 million US households have had their utilities cut off because they can’t afford their bills because the rates are too high and people don’t have jobs that pay a living wage. Nobody is talking about the long-term unemployed destitute people who are victims of age discrimination and a real — not imagined — lack of enough jobs to go around for everyone who needs, wants and deserves one. To hear neocons and neolibs tell it, this is all by accident: An imperialism without imperialists. Class warfare is not an accident. And neither is classism.

  9. lichen said on June 19th, 2010 at 3:40pm #

    The right wing working class scum want an end to all taxes; make racist complaints against “welfare cheats” constantly, resent that young people could have any improvement in circumstances over themselves, are jingoistic and fully support the continuation of all US wars, are rabidly against unions. But oh yes, let’s get rid of the entire state and have the corporations rule instead like the scumbag party wants. And let’s ignore the international reality where some governments have, indeed, provided a good standard of life for their people in a progressive taxation system (words you NEVER hear from the right wing working class scum when they mention taxes.)

    But yes, pump up the american exceptionalism by insisting we don’t need to take that step, we are advanced enough to immediately go beyond it into right-wing corporatist anarchism where economic inequality would be cemented in place for ever, and the environment destroyed beyond belief. Let’s have no taxes, no public roads, libraries, schools, universities, or security.

  10. lichen said on June 19th, 2010 at 3:58pm #

    The right wing anarachists want the “freedom” of gross economic inequality to be maintained at all costs, don’t want a “state” to enforce that they will give up their land, wealth, and health monopoly. We need a really big government; one so big it includes everyone in direct, decentralized participatory socialist democracy, where you will have obligations, and children, undocumented immigrants, and homosexuals will have inalienable rights that you will be prosecuted for if you violate. Indeed, those right wing scumbags who say the phrase “the illegals’ in every other sentence should be discredited; they are nothing.

  11. Don Hawkins said on June 19th, 2010 at 3:59pm #

    The picture of America as a shining city on a hill, standing virtually outside of history, still retains a powerful cultural appeal, but in this era of globization, powered by American corporate might, this positive impression increasingly has it’s mirror oppositie, fueled by a wide perception that if there is an American exceptionalism, it definitely has a darker side as well. Especially in the era of the Bush Adminstration’s Pre-emptive Strike Doctrine, and the sorting out of the aftermath if the Iraq War, scholars will inevitably consider the question of an American exceptionalism a useful entryway into larger problems of United States and world history. At the moment, concludes, Sean Wilentz, “the whole matter would seem to be more important as a myth that needs analysis than as a fixed historical reality requiring some global explanatory theory.” ucla dot ed

    American exceptionalism is a myth say it isn’t so.

  12. Hue Longer said on June 19th, 2010 at 4:44pm #

    I don’t agree with Petras on the premise. The 22 reasons are reasons people SHOULD be angry though, yes

  13. Deadbeat said on June 19th, 2010 at 5:12pm #

    This is a very important article and ironically I was having the same discussion last night with collegues. What make this article important is its NUANCED analysis. Petras article is also an indicment of the faux-Left as well. A fuax-Left heavily heavily influenced by Chomskyism that very much ignored Marxist analysis and worked to obscure the increasing influence of Zionism on the U.S. polity.

    lichen remarks are emblematic of the “Left” response to the Tea Party movement. However the Tea Party movement was a response to the bank bailout to the tune of $12 TRILLON. That amounts to $40,000.00/citizen!

    Clearly what’s missing is a “Tea Party” response on the Left but the Left has been CORRUPTED by the Chomskyites who fear that such a working class movement would raise “unconfortable” issues.

    A working class movement is clearly what is needed and in the absense of a left-wing alternative and analysis the Tea Party can be easily swayed by the Sarah Palins, and Glen Becks. It would be a shame to see this energy get corrupted but we already witnessed a similar corruption by the “Left” during the anti-War movement of ’03 – ’04.

    There is clearly a need for a resurgance in Marxist theory to provide a basis for revolutionary thinking amonst the working class.

  14. Deadbeat said on June 19th, 2010 at 6:28pm #

    The attempt by liberals and progressives to discredit this popular revolt against the state, by pointing to the corporate financing and right wing manipulation behind the anti-statist movement is doomed to failure, because it fails to deal with the profound injustices experienced by working people today in their daily dealings with a state, largely administered by liberal corporate-militarists. The absence of an anti-statist left has opened the door for the rise of a mass based ‘New Right’.”

    The hypocrisy from the Left is astonishing. Clearly there needs to be more investigation of who funds the Left. Amy Goodman herself receives $1,000,000.00/year in salary which puts her more in line with corporate CEO’s than it does activists making her criticism of them disingenuous.

    The Left is very much funded by former corporate executives and wealthy families via the foundation schemes. In fact Goodman did a short spot where she express her concerns of the impact of the Madoff swindle on donations. Why would Goodman display such concerns about receiving money from the kinds of rich people who lost money with Madoff? It was an exclusive club for rich Zionists. Somehow the “Fairness And In Reporting (FAIR)” crowd miss that but then they get their money from the same tainted sources.

    Liberal academics and experts who claim workers are “irrational” are, themselves, practitioners of highly selective criticisms – pointing to (shrinking) state social benefits while ignoring the unjust, inequitable tax system and the biased behavior of the judicial, law enforcement, legislative and regulatory system.

    Isn’t interesting that many people are now being ensnared by the debt enforcement system and there is very little Liberal-Left outcry. There is no such civil disobedience being organized to repudiate and offers to protect people from these usury vultures. There has been very little Liberal-Left analysis of the entire financial system especially the role of the Fed and usary. Isn’t housing a human right? So why is housing treated like a commodity.

    What about the “Family Law” system that orders people out of their homes and the State make NO provisions. The Left is mum here because to challenge such practices would not be “PC” feminism. The whole “Family Law” system effects working class people daily and the Liberal-Left’s positions apparently is supportive of the state’s practices. Which leaves a HUGE vacuum for the Right to fill.

    The fact is that Liberal academics have used Keynesianism as a way to avoid Marxist critiques of the Capitalist system. The Liberals belief that they can moderate the system Capitalism and focus primarily on social identity issues and has clearly failed due to their own hubris and elitism.

    As Liberalism buckled under the weight of its own contradictions it was easy for the Right to critique it. The Liberals clearly refused to offer a Marxist alternative and thus the intellectual vacuum. The “Left” also offered no alternative being enamored with a pro-Zionist intellectual who too praised Adam Smith while avoiding Marx. Liberals also refused to acknowledge the day-to-day struggles of working people — especially the white working class. Thus leading to further resentments and division among the entire working class while at the same time the “Left” pretended to be concerned with the plight of people of color. This crisis has reveal the corrupted role of the Left as GATEKEEPERS.

    Clearly there need to be new alignments around revolutionary and radical working class ideas and a complete rejection of limousine Liberalism and the gatekeepers of the faux-Left.

  15. Don Hawkins said on June 20th, 2010 at 4:53am #

    The Old Coffee Shop

    The Coffee shop this day in 2020 was full mid summer in New York City El Nino had made a come back again and the temperature this day was hot and the people already knew how to dress light and travel fast. Some of the people were only 10 years old when it happened in the year 2012 a rather large CME from our Sun and let’s just say cell phones were not what they used to be. When it started nobody really knew but a new way of thinking had started most of the people in the coffee shop were members of a new party in the greatest nation on Earth called the 2020 party that started just after the big light in old 2012. Through out the City the government had placed noise generators called by some peace makers and some had other names for them. The talk this morning was about the Capitalists yes they were still around who do you think built the noise generators and most in the coffee shop were talking about the day’s activates for the day ahead to change the hearts and minds of the Capitalists at least the ones who still lived in the city as a few of the Capitalists had moved to secure locations outside the city. Some word did get out about the workings of these secure locations and a person named Glenn Beck it was told was the new preacher at these secure locations and everyone there it was told had a copy of the constitution and a new book written by Beck with a snake on the front cover. It was said some infighting from the Capitalists but the truth still hard to get. Well as the activates for the day ahead were being planed one of those peace makers pulled up in front of the old coffee shop along with these dark very dark trucks and these men in black entered the coffee shop and the man in front with these agent Smith glasses yelled papers do you have your papers? It was already known this was going to happen and most had there papers an old man siting in the corner with his own glasses he found many years ago in a dumpster that kind of gave him a new look at the World was asked for his papers. Well the old man said but a few words kiss my ass. He was put into one of those dark truck’s for reeducation I guess and they all headed to find other members of the 2020 party. This isn’t the first time the men in black had come to the coffee shop and the planning went on. A little get together this day had been planned for Wall Street and the media outlets the official word still for the Capitalists. Somebody put on an old tune and then someone said let the games began.

    Oh the games people play now
    Ev’ry night and ev’ry day now
    Never meaning what they say, yeah
    Never saying what they mean.

    People walking up to you
    Singing glory hallelujah
    Then thy try to sock it to you, oh
    In the name of the Lord

  16. Don Hawkins said on June 20th, 2010 at 5:47am #

    The 2020 party the beauty is as we learn more with very tuff day’s ahead in 2030 hello change the name as now this present system they appears to be stuck on stupid you Democrats and Republicans of little difference but made to seem so is not real bright. Known fact the Capitalist system needs more then more and we now know there is no more well there is but to use the more we all get to go down the drain in not such slow motion. So why do it well I find that a great question. Kind of like the book of knowledge it’s new and is never finished also changes made as we gain more knowledge. I wonder who among us might not like this book. Yes the Worldwide web an amazing thing at least for a few more years.

    Oh the games people play now
    Ev’ry night and ev’ry day now
    Never meaning what they say, yeah
    Never saying what they mean.

  17. Don Hawkins said on June 20th, 2010 at 6:50am #

    Capitalism as a way of thinking is fundamentally individualistic, that is, that the individual is the center of capitalist endeavor. This idea draws on all the Enlightenment concepts of individuality: that all individuals are different, that society is composed of individuals who pursue their own interests, that individuals should be free to pursue their own interests (this, in capitalism, is called “economic freedom”), and that, in a democratic sense, individuals pursuing their own interests will guarantee the interests of society as a whole.

    The fundamental unit of meaning in capitalist and economic thought is the object , that is, capitalism relies on the creation of a consumer culture, a large segment of the population that is not producing most of what it is consuming. Since capitalism, like mercantilism, is fundamentally based on distributing goods—moving goods from one place to another—consumers have no social relation to the people who produce the goods they consume. In non-capitalist societies, such as tribal societies, people have real social relations to the producers of the goods they consume. But when people no longer have social relations with others who make the objects they consume, that means that the only relation they have is with the object itself. So part of capitalism as a way of thinking is that people become “consumers,” that is, they define themselves by the objects they purchase rather than the objects they produce.
    Richard Hooker

    Modern socialism originated in the late 18th-century intellectual and working class political movement that criticised the effects of industrialisation and private ownership on society. Utopian socialists such as Robert Owen (1771–1858), tried to found self-sustaining communes by secession from a capitalist society. Henri de Saint Simon (1760–1825), who coined the term socialisme, advocated technocracy and industrial planning.[8] Saint-Simon, Friedrich Engels and Karl Marx advocated the creation of a society that allows for the widespread application of modern technology to rationalise economic activity by eliminating the anarchy of capitalist production.[9][10] They argued that this would allow for economic output (or surplus value) and power to be distributed based on the amount of work expended in production. Wiki

    A few times Glenn Beck showed pictures of Russia and rather bleak houses state housing and it sure seems to me that under Capitalism to care on forget housing bit sleeping ubder a bridge or tents comes to mind. Socialism sounds better and now with known knowledge let’s see everything should be made as simple as possible but not simpler a few of course will not like this idea but it does appear not about like or want but need. It’s a tuff one. So far how is this playing out;

    “Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? The Shadow knows!”

  18. bozh said on June 20th, 2010 at 8:17am #

    Don,
    When i use the symbol “capitalism” [means stands for an idea{s}], it subsumes exploitation, belittlement of woman, land drobbery, theft of security-safety of people, warfare, deceiving, lying, cults of many kinds [personal as well].

    But i avoid to use this symbol because to most people the symbol does not stand for events i just enumerated! So, by using it i wld just aid and abet fascists who wld explain it differently but giving it a fascist slant!
    Or i cld use it, but list all of its traits; even positive if any there are. However at this time i can’t com up with that many positive carachtecteristics for it.
    Mind u, no ism is totally wrong-bad. Even nazism had some redeeming features.

    No, no, Donski, not that one! {u do write like rashian} Is it beacause ur english is ur 5th language? tnx
    PS, i am buying a plot of land in Novaya Zemya and in a place called Novo Selo [tillers’ village].

  19. bozh said on June 20th, 2010 at 8:25am #

    Let’s not dwell on ‘jews’ who defend COSA MIA. They will do that till the end of time by simply eschewing most facts that pertain to fascist behavior.

    If they wld propagate-defend COSA NOSTRA [OUR CAUSE: ALL OF THE PEOPLE ONT HIS PLANET] that wld be welcome.

    COSA MIA CANNOT WIN , IN INFINITY OF TIME, AGAINST COSA NOSTRA! tnx

  20. Max Shields said on June 20th, 2010 at 9:44am #

    Deadbeat two questions: where do you get your info regarding (the irrelevant comment) the Amy Goodman compensation?

    And, of all those who post here, where do you get your special priviledge to use italics?

    Curious minds are asking.

  21. Deadbeat said on June 20th, 2010 at 12:17pm #

    Max,

    If you believe that the info on Goodman is irrelevant then what’s the point of your request?

    DB

  22. Max Shields said on June 20th, 2010 at 1:02pm #

    Hue, agreed.