Comments on: A Bit Less Righteous, but a Bit More Wise

By: kalidas

kalidas — Fri, 11 Jun 2010 20:08:57 +0000

It was also spitting in NATO’s collective face.

By: hayate

hayate — Fri, 11 Jun 2010 08:37:11 +0000

t42 said on June 10th, 2010 at 3:16pm

Well, the aide convoy attack was to “punish” Turkey since Turks were definitely singled out. The israelis also attacked a Turkish naval base the same day (using their pkk proxies). I don’t think your scenario is very far fetched, the israelis are seeking chaos, especially among the Muslim nations, and their american colony is apparently just interested in dropping its trousers and bending over in front of israelis.

By: hayate

hayate — Fri, 11 Jun 2010 08:24:19 +0000

The israelis/zionists care about their image, not their morality. The israelis/zionists would happily put the atrocities of the nazis to shame, if they could do it without hurting their image and it would get them what they want.

By: Rehmat

Rehmat — Fri, 11 Jun 2010 00:01:34 +0000

“In preparation for my bar-mitzvah I attended Hebrew School at a place called Temple Emeth in Brookline, MA. Emeth is Hebrew for truth, and I was young enough, 11-12, to be curious what that meant. What I mostly discovered was an ancient cult dedicated to telling old wives tales meant to frighten and cajole its adherents into becoming and remaining loyal members of the tribe. The “truth” indeed. But I do remember that some of the old texts frequently mentioned something called “righteousness,” which was somehow supposed to be the bedrock of the whole thing. Of course, no one actually believed in God. The “enlightened” Jews of Europe threw out that retro concept generations ago. Their new faith was Zionism, which can be summed up with the words, “God does not exist, but he gave us the Land.” In replacing the old faith with the new, that old notion of “righteousness” conveniently disappeared – the baby got thrown out with the bathwater. What did remain was the actual faith of the Pharisees going back to biblical times, the worship of the Golden Calf, the belief in and absolute devotion to money and power,” Roger Tucker

http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2010/06/10/helen-thomas-tell-them-to-get-the-hell-out-of-palestine/

By: t42

t42 — Thu, 10 Jun 2010 22:16:28 +0000

“what if”: What if the Zionist leadership has decided they no longer need friendly relations with Turkey; that they believe their strength now is such that they don’t need to depend on the good will of any Muslim country, and now see all Muslim countries as obstacles or potential obstacles to their vision of Eretz Yisrael as the metropole of an empire reaching from the Balkans to Central Asia, even to Indonesia? With the US playing the role of enforcer, of global Hitman with Israel starring as the global Godfather? The US as “bouncer” to the Israelis as Cabaret Owner?
In this scenario, the aim of the attack on the Flotilla was to create as much friction as possible between the Turkish leadership and the US, in hopes that if US/Turkey relations can be sufficiently poisoned, eventually it may become possible to get the US to launch a bombing campaign against Anatolia, similar to the one vs Yugoslavia/Serbia or Iraq or Afghanistan/Pakistan?
Nobody in their right mind would contemplate a ground invasion of Turkey, given the terrain and warlike traditions, which are exactly the same reasons nobody in their right mind would contemplate a ground invasion of Afghanistan…

But aerial bombing & naval bombardment would probably suffice to keep Turkey sidelined from any participation in military developments in the region? Prevent any significant material support to Hizb’Allah when the IOF goes into Lebanon the next time?

I can see DV readers on several continents shaking their heads, saying Wow how farfetched can you get and similar things. So I’m looking forward to being told that my imagination is working overtime, and especially to learning in detail why the scenario adumbrated above is stark raving nuts & totally impossible. Yes?

By: t42

t42 — Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:40:41 +0000

Good focus, begins to address what antiOccupation activists need to learn from Flotilla attack experience. One thing should be clear: this particular violation of international law by the Israelis does nothing to help the stability of the US Empire or the security of energy supplies.

Will we hear highly credentialed “experts” tell us again “no it wasn’t about oil per se, it was about the CONTROL of oil”? Will they explain how this attack increased US “control of oil resources”?

Isn’t it obvious that this affair has actually WEAKENED the US system of alliances? Some “aircraft carrier”.

Trying to find a coherent explanation for why the Israeli high command decided to attack the Turkish vessel and to needlessly kill several Turkish citizens, how about this scenario:
but wait a minute, let me make sure all software glitches have been fixed and that this appears in timely fashion…