Over the years I’ve read others complaining about democracy now’s coverage of israeli related issues. Mostly saying goodman didn’t cover the issues enough in their opinion. Whether the claims were true or not, I cant confirm because I never much cared for the show’s fast paced “hurry-up, you got 30 seconds” format and don’t go there regularly. I used to listen to them on pacifica years ago and it seemed goodman was always rushing her guests, which is not how I think interviews should be done. It had too much of “sound bite” feel to it most of the time.

On the other hand, I’ve seen/heard some very good shows on dn, where they didn’t press the guest for time. There was one recently with the delightful Arundhati Roy on the Maoists/”Tribals” in India and the guv attacks on them that was very well done, though I noticed somebody else besides goodman did most of the interviewing :D.

But shilling out to the israeloamerican propaganda line on the Iran “color revolution” thoroughly disgusted me with goodman and democracy now, it thoroughly disgusted me with many sites/personalities who shilled that propaganda. I know that when their oligarchy calls on them again, they will do it again. The question is when, on what issue/event, will they go into “shill mode” again. Will it be something I know about, so the betrayal will be obvious, or will it be something I’m unfamiliar with and I get taken cause I didn’t catch the shift to “shill mode”? That is a trust that once you betray it, you can not be trusted again. You can not undo the damage.

if you read dan e then how is it you can’t see that I was responding to HIS bringing up your links? You don’t have an understanding of the context either. All this because of Amy Goodman being brought up as a Zionist under an article about the attacks on the flotilla? Let DB drown on his own…this is foolish

Did you guys catch today’s show? again very good coverage of the flotilla attack (dan e , I know you think she’s too ugly too watch, but were you to just listen to the radio broadcast would it…ah forget it)

said on June 3rd, 2010 at 6:26pm

Well said.

“concerning the links made by you and hayate and DB or anyone else for that matter…”

Listen zionist, don’t try and involve me in your petty slander/misdirection crap.

I don’t know what goes on in your minds, but it appears that both of you hope to keep others as ignorant as possible. How can anybody hope to understand the Israel problem without doing an indepth study of it? Chomsky and his followers represent one set of opinions about Israel and Imperialism, but there are others whose credentials are just as good or better who hold very different views of the problem.

I see the two of you brandishing the word “imperialism”, parroting the absurd claim offered by such as Steven Zunes that calls for careful investigation of Zionist power in the US are somehow a distraction from the struggle against US/Nato Imperialism. What nonsense.

For your information, people like Jeff Blankfort and James Petras have been in the trenches against Imperialism for decades. I wouldn’t put my own track record in the same category, but I did begin studying seriously and participating in organized anti-Imperialist activity some fifty years ago.

Opposition to Racist Imperialism was where we started. None of us got involved in the anti-Zionist struggle because we didn’t like Jews. Blankfort is of course Jewish himself. In my own case, since grade school I’ve found myself in close association with Jewish individuals and groups, in large part because of my choice of fields of endeavor. Most of what I’ve learned about Zionism and Capitalist Imperialism I’ve learned from Jews.

Petras of course has been writing profound analyses of various aspects of & developments in Imperialism for close to four decades, just counting from when I first came across his byline in a Left journal edited coincidentally by Jews:)

I’ve read enough of Deadbeat’s writing to know that he’s done his homework on the subject of capitalist imperialism. So let’s not have any more of this stuff you step in when you cross the cow pasture about wanting to divert people from the struggle against Imperialism.

If you want to struggle effectively against Imperialism, Militarism, Colonialism, you must realize first of all that Racism is inextricably intertwined in the evil system, and that Zionism has come to be the most virulent & dangerous form of Racism as it is manifested globally today. I say this in full realization that inside the USA today the largest numbers of those who feel the greatest impact of racism are the Blacks and the Native Americans.

I think many often lose sight of the fact that neither Racism in general or Zionism in particular are simply ideological phenomena, simply sets of false beliefs. They are that of course, but also are institutional structures and institutionalized material practices.

Zionism is above all a State. A State is much more than a government; States always include an Ideological component, a set of legitimizing myths & rationalization of current events plus a complex apparatus to defend and propagate them; a Coercive component; a process for achieving/maintaing unity among the ruling and supporting sectors of the society; and a Financial component.

So, “anti-Imperialist” friends, would any of you care to share any insights or opinions about the work of any of the universally recognized students of Imperialism? Like Hobson, Hilferding, Ulanov, Luxembourg, Cabral, CLR James, Immanuel Wallerstein, just to mention a few?

I know it upsets Max whenever it is suggested that anything useful can be learned from Karl Marx, so I’ll just stop right here:)

But i am right, according what i know or think i know, to say that i suspect all ‘jews’. Each one of them may have own end solution in mind, and i have mine.
This approach ends the type of talking that the three above-listed fellas are now engaged in; consisting largely of overgeneralizations, condemnation, ad hominems, etc.
That’s not the kind of society i am working for! tnx

“You’ve also accused by of gay-bashing as well among other things.”

Which is a completely incoherent statement. You’ve accused me of being a racist, here and otherwise; you’ve also attempted to claim that homosexuals as a whole are racist, in response to my making the point that everyone has their own issues. So really, I could care less.

Indeed, sectarian, dogmatic marxists and anti-zionists are distasteful to me, as is bashing people who act with good intentions on the basis of simplistic conclusions. But yes, everyone who doesn’t agree 100% with your abstract ideology, is a capitalist or a zionist or a racist person. Who could disagree with that?

DB, you are a liar, and a hateful, angry troll; one minute you bash BDS’ers and Cynthia Mckinney/her supporters, the next minute you bash the left for supposedly not getting behind these things.

This is again a lichen LIE. My criticism has always been toward the duplicity of the Left. You’ve also accused by of gay-bashing as well among other things. This is all part of the smear champaign by racists like you who tries to conceal themselves among the grassroots.

The only way to uproot people like you is ADHERENCE to PRINCIPLES.

All three seizes on IRONY as an opportunity to DISTORT and TWIST it into something it is not. The reason: the continued critique of the LEFT that has annotated an avowed Zionist as its intellectual leader.

The consequence of which has been 50 years of not mounting any real challenge as Zionism in the U.S. and its support for Israel grew.

Rather than confront that problem they’d rather obscure it with distorted and twisted rhetoric.

This is exactly to be expected from Liberal Zionist.

DN! airing the Zionist Chomsky on the very day the flotilla was attacked is extremely IRONIC.

What does the word symbolize? How does its symbolic value differ from symbolic values of milk, irish, catholic, bread, etc?
Let’s face it. It is easy to espy that words stand for actualities. A word like pole stands for what a given pole does, says, etc.
Fortunately, we can see with naked eye what a pole does. U don’t need schooling, advice to observe what irishman 1 does, either.

We also know that german 1 can be catholic. But s/he wld not call self catholic. S/he’ll say, i expect: i am german; and one is not offended much if at all.

As far as i know only robert novak, who was ‘jewish’ at one time, declared “i am not a jew”.
Wld not one be frightened and suspicious if 100 mn russians declared that they were orthodox? Or 26mn iraqis declaring for a millennium: we are islamic; meaning to say that they are of islam; having an unique essence of islamisheness; similar to that of a unique essence of jewishness.

If an iraqi wld say to me that he’s islamish, i wld be at least puzzled ab it. More likely, i wld be deeply resentful.
I also react like that to s’mone who says that he’s a jew and thus possesses special quality of jewishness.

So, i have said many times i do not trust as single jew or single catholic or single muslim.
Nature-gods don’t produce jews, catholics, muslims; people do that. In my view the greatest criminal minds.
I do not care what blankfort says; i only pay attention to what he does and he does jewisheness just like zinn, chomsky, klein, rabin, shamir.
That for me ends all mystory ab this ugly and vicious phenomena!

I think that any ishness, even polishness, let alone let their catholishness, is an obsatcle to peace-justice because that label stands for s’mthing in reality. But what? No single human being wld ever discover what such airy-eerie symbols stands for. tnx

I wasn’t referring to my correction of DB’s silly paranoia concerning why DN didn’t air coverage on the killings (my correction was inaccurate). lichen corrected him and he was the subject of your rant –not me. Concerning correcting in my latest post, aside from the obvious one above from lichen, I have corrected DB many times on his mischarge of ad hom (sometimes in the same sentence he commits it).

I’m not sure DB never said those things and don’t really care if lichen (a guy who last week called my words, “beyond stupid”) shows proof but if he was lying it wasn’t sophistry (another abused word these days).

Concerning making the same charge against you as you did lichen, yes just read what I mockingly accused db of and change out his name with yours (though I find you functional if not very logical)

concerning the links made by you and hayate and DB or anyone else for that matter…If they are related to the article or at least have organically progressed to the point of posting them, great! No, I don’t think it benefits new readers or anyone else to constantly go about “informing” in this way…in fact, no matter the truth of the words themselves, the tactics are the same thing I loath from paid trolls (again why I could make a better case-not that I believe it-that DB or yourself are the zionists).

If you want to correct the record fine, but you said on the record,
“Newcomers to DV: watch out for this “lichen”, he’s very sneaky. Uses gambits, poses as “progressive” but is mainly concerned to defend Zionism’s last line of defense “.

Your last count I absolutely agree with….not your tactics or all of your conclusions

And please quit with suggesting I’m merely “name calling”….DB’s rap looks small on you.

And a final word on this from me is that I enjoy the insight you and DB (and anyone else) has to offer. dan e’s reading store he displays is impressive

Cheers

What we have witnessed is 30 years of acceptance of RACISM hidden has “dissent”.

DB, you are a liar, and a hateful, angry troll; one minute you bash BDS’ers and Cynthia Mckinney/her supporters, the next minute you bash the left for supposedly not getting behind these things. Hue is right about you, and he adds much more to discussions than you have.

You liberal Zionist expose your true selves when challenged. The SMEAR campaign is now in full gear. This is a sign of fear and WEAKNESS. This I’m glad to see. BRING IT ON!!!

<i<Hue is right; all I see here is pathetic dogma, lies, evasions, and ridiculous obsessions.

It’s called RACISM lichen and we’ve seen the ugly results of it going unchallenged for decades.

DB, you are a liar, and a hateful, angry troll; one minute you bash BDS’ers and Cynthia Mckinney/her supporters, the next minute you bash the left for supposedly not getting behind these things. Hue is right about you, and he adds much more to discussions than you have.

But here’s what you’ll never get out of Deadbeat, Hue, he’ll not admit that DN’s coverage, given their reach on the Memorial Day massacre was some of the best coverage. Listening to Ali Abunimah is worthy some of the best interviewing.

DN shouldn’t be taken at face value, but much of what is on is definitely some of the best journalism in the States.

For Deadbeat it all black and white. He can’t tolerate nuance even when it’s barely evident. Goodman’s a Jew, Chomsky is a Jew, Zinn is a Jew. All Jews all suspect and all gatekeepers for Zionism according to Deadbeat regardless of what they say. I’m not all that impressed with Chomsky (aside from his linguistic research which I found very profound). I don’t think Zinn is a powerful thinker. But each has spoken when others, like many of the posters here, have been silent. There is a courage that shouldn’t be denied, even if one suspects that there is a bit too much leaning toward a particular culture or ethnicity.

Ali Abunimah speaks of one democratically run region. I find that appealing because in the end it is the only feasible approach to the region.

And what does Deadbeat want to see? So far he has remained silent on solutions (oh yeah Marxism will resolve it all; another worshipper of the old codger Marx).