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	<title>Comments on: Dancing With Wolves and Media Praise on Vietnam Veterans Day</title>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/04/dancing-with-wolves-and-media-praise-on-vietnam-veterans-day-3/#comment-65992</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 13:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rehmat,
Lenin and stalin may have been born to &#039;jewish&#039;  parents or related to &#039;jews&#039;. But neither believed in gods? Nor practised talmudism?
I did not accuse islam as a cause for WW1 even tho turkey was involved in it. Islam did not cause WW2.
And one can only say so much in a post. Accusing people or demanding of them to say s&#039;mthing is not, imo, a wise thing to do.
Cummunists may have killled 60-100 mn people. But people who say this omit to say where-when-why they have killed so many people.
Providing two or more hsitorians who assert that might be useful.

Actually communists made peace with germans after coming to power in &#039;17.
Chechens and germans, as far as i know, have been uprooted and sent over urals s&#039;mwhere.
It is most likely that soviets have slaughtered most ukrainians, latvians, estonians, lithuanians, ukrainians, et al,  who fought against USSR during WW2 .
It is, as far as i know, hasbara which usually inflates death numbers by their enemies.
And not to mention islamists, christians, and &#039;jews&#039;! Yes, i am afraid of and deplore all cults.  tnx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rehmat,<br />
Lenin and stalin may have been born to &#8216;jewish&#8217;  parents or related to &#8216;jews&#8217;. But neither believed in gods? Nor practised talmudism?<br />
I did not accuse islam as a cause for WW1 even tho turkey was involved in it. Islam did not cause WW2.<br />
And one can only say so much in a post. Accusing people or demanding of them to say s&#8217;mthing is not, imo, a wise thing to do.<br />
Cummunists may have killled 60-100 mn people. But people who say this omit to say where-when-why they have killed so many people.<br />
Providing two or more hsitorians who assert that might be useful.</p>
<p>Actually communists made peace with germans after coming to power in &#8217;17.<br />
Chechens and germans, as far as i know, have been uprooted and sent over urals s&#8217;mwhere.<br />
It is most likely that soviets have slaughtered most ukrainians, latvians, estonians, lithuanians, ukrainians, et al,  who fought against USSR during WW2 .<br />
It is, as far as i know, hasbara which usually inflates death numbers by their enemies.<br />
And not to mention islamists, christians, and &#8216;jews&#8217;! Yes, i am afraid of and deplore all cults.  tnx</p>
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		<title>By: lichen</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/04/dancing-with-wolves-and-media-praise-on-vietnam-veterans-day-3/#comment-65976</link>
		<dc:creator>lichen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 02:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course, it also needs to be said that the government of Vietnam today is not &quot;the same&quot; as back then; the old leaders and politics are gone, and repressive radical capitalism is now what rules there.  Without US intervention, they might have produced a really good, progressive model instead of what they wound up with.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, it also needs to be said that the government of Vietnam today is not &#8220;the same&#8221; as back then; the old leaders and politics are gone, and repressive radical capitalism is now what rules there.  Without US intervention, they might have produced a really good, progressive model instead of what they wound up with.</p>
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		<title>By: lichen</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/04/dancing-with-wolves-and-media-praise-on-vietnam-veterans-day-3/#comment-65975</link>
		<dc:creator>lichen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 02:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Acknowledging, as bozh did, the the repugnance of all religions does not somehow equate to &quot;islamophobia.&quot;   Whether you like the religion or not is your opinion; not a fact.   Just like making negative comments about judaism does not make you &#039;antisemitic.&#039;   I also agree with the person who said that buddhism has certainly counted among it&#039;s ranks terrible violence, inequality, and hatred, as was present in Tibetan feudalism before China invaded.  Spiritual/religous morality is hatred.  

Bozh is also right about the poison of &#039;elder-worship&#039; in these religions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Acknowledging, as bozh did, the the repugnance of all religions does not somehow equate to &#8220;islamophobia.&#8221;   Whether you like the religion or not is your opinion; not a fact.   Just like making negative comments about judaism does not make you &#8216;antisemitic.&#8217;   I also agree with the person who said that buddhism has certainly counted among it&#8217;s ranks terrible violence, inequality, and hatred, as was present in Tibetan feudalism before China invaded.  Spiritual/religous morality is hatred.  </p>
<p>Bozh is also right about the poison of &#8216;elder-worship&#8217; in these religions.</p>
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		<title>By: Rehmat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rehmat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 02:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[bozh - Why did you answer any of the truth I posted in response to your slur about Islam? Instead, you applied the usual Israeli Hasbara tactic - that&#039;s character assassination the one who pull your Islamophobe pants down.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bozh &#8211; Why did you answer any of the truth I posted in response to your slur about Islam? Instead, you applied the usual Israeli Hasbara tactic &#8211; that&#8217;s character assassination the one who pull your Islamophobe pants down.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 00:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jay janson,
I am not sure ab the meaning of   &quot;acrimonious debate&quot;. I was not aware at all ab debating anyone.

I did not atack any person nor even what u or they said. So, ur lament ab my post does not pertain.

However, once again u do not mention religious [ or as i say say &#039;religious&#039;] &#039;teachings&#039; as being integral part of all  &#039;education&#039; or miseducation, if one will.
I evaluate that as a fact; thus facts are not acrimonious nor debatable; facts just are and conclusions derived from them is also ok.
I detect from what u&#039;r sayng that u&#039;r a pious person. But we all are. Not accepting one or any religions is a religion. After all, how many truly henotheistic people are there? Probably none!! So, they, too, are impious! Just like me! 
Let the free speech FREELY flow. But if a person get&#039;s personal in the way that rehmat does and continues that kind of behavior, i never ever read again what they say.
Instead of attacking people or even what they say [yes, not even attacking  their ideas, opinions] one can juxtapose own facts, opinions.
DV editors do seem to understand that. They avoid, it seems, to cut out namecalling, condemnation because we can censor people who are verbally abusive. tnx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay janson,<br />
I am not sure ab the meaning of   &#8220;acrimonious debate&#8221;. I was not aware at all ab debating anyone.</p>
<p>I did not atack any person nor even what u or they said. So, ur lament ab my post does not pertain.</p>
<p>However, once again u do not mention religious [ or as i say say 'religious'] &#8216;teachings&#8217; as being integral part of all  &#8216;education&#8217; or miseducation, if one will.<br />
I evaluate that as a fact; thus facts are not acrimonious nor debatable; facts just are and conclusions derived from them is also ok.<br />
I detect from what u&#8217;r sayng that u&#8217;r a pious person. But we all are. Not accepting one or any religions is a religion. After all, how many truly henotheistic people are there? Probably none!! So, they, too, are impious! Just like me!<br />
Let the free speech FREELY flow. But if a person get&#8217;s personal in the way that rehmat does and continues that kind of behavior, i never ever read again what they say.<br />
Instead of attacking people or even what they say [yes, not even attacking  their ideas, opinions] one can juxtapose own facts, opinions.<br />
DV editors do seem to understand that. They avoid, it seems, to cut out namecalling, condemnation because we can censor people who are verbally abusive. tnx</p>
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		<title>By: mjosef</title>
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		<dc:creator>mjosef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 00:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with the fine sentiments here - and yet there have been Buddhist generals and Buddhist warfare every equal in depravity to the Christian crusade America has been on for so long, so I would not echo the statement that there is such a thing as a &quot;no effect belief.&quot;  Fred Anderson and Andrew Cayton&#039;s &quot;The Dominion of War:  America 1500-2000&quot; is a recent classic that should have gone a long way to curing Americans of this militarist madness, but the mass of citizens are so far gone with religion, spirituality, and market madness, no one really wants to pick it up.  
  Your work is no doubt of the highest honor, but if there are echoes of this believer nonsense, I get ornery.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the fine sentiments here &#8211; and yet there have been Buddhist generals and Buddhist warfare every equal in depravity to the Christian crusade America has been on for so long, so I would not echo the statement that there is such a thing as a &#8220;no effect belief.&#8221;  Fred Anderson and Andrew Cayton&#8217;s &#8220;The Dominion of War:  America 1500-2000&#8243; is a recent classic that should have gone a long way to curing Americans of this militarist madness, but the mass of citizens are so far gone with religion, spirituality, and market madness, no one really wants to pick it up.<br />
  Your work is no doubt of the highest honor, but if there are echoes of this believer nonsense, I get ornery.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Janson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Janson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 21:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Author laments seeing an acrimonious debate opened up by an article meant to describe the apparent inability for most Americans to debate their political economy, government and corporate media&#039;s life-taking policies.

When there is heated debate, as for instance among the responders to this article, and the feathers begin to fly, there is usually some modicum of truth in one part or another in each contribution, but some reductive passages that distort as well.

I liked the pointing out of WW I and WW II, but would have liked to read it mentioned that they were capitalist generated for private financial reasons.
Would have liked to have not had the millions of deaths in a nascent Soviet Union, militarily and economically  attacked by the world governing private capitalist imperialism, simply attributed to intentional murder by Russian leaders.

In general would like to see everyone keep their eye on what and who is intentionally dividing all the world&#039;s cultures and religions to created causes of civil wars that favor the continuance of the economic plunder and prerogatives of the power elite of international private capitalism for just a few years or decades longer .

This power elite needs us to be at each others throats to keep us from focusing on how our strife keeps us from taking responsibility for ourselves and the power over us away from these largely covert machinations by media that enable the world mega theft of Humanity&#039;s resources, life blood, happiness and wonders.

Let&#039; us pull together and forgive each of us our oversimplifications drawn in the heat of discussion. Being pulled apart even further serves the purposes of the criminally insane who rule most of the world through communications industries, military and crooked finance. 

Your servant, jay janson]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Author laments seeing an acrimonious debate opened up by an article meant to describe the apparent inability for most Americans to debate their political economy, government and corporate media&#8217;s life-taking policies.</p>
<p>When there is heated debate, as for instance among the responders to this article, and the feathers begin to fly, there is usually some modicum of truth in one part or another in each contribution, but some reductive passages that distort as well.</p>
<p>I liked the pointing out of WW I and WW II, but would have liked to read it mentioned that they were capitalist generated for private financial reasons.<br />
Would have liked to have not had the millions of deaths in a nascent Soviet Union, militarily and economically  attacked by the world governing private capitalist imperialism, simply attributed to intentional murder by Russian leaders.</p>
<p>In general would like to see everyone keep their eye on what and who is intentionally dividing all the world&#8217;s cultures and religions to created causes of civil wars that favor the continuance of the economic plunder and prerogatives of the power elite of international private capitalism for just a few years or decades longer .</p>
<p>This power elite needs us to be at each others throats to keep us from focusing on how our strife keeps us from taking responsibility for ourselves and the power over us away from these largely covert machinations by media that enable the world mega theft of Humanity&#8217;s resources, life blood, happiness and wonders.</p>
<p>Let&#8217; us pull together and forgive each of us our oversimplifications drawn in the heat of discussion. Being pulled apart even further serves the purposes of the criminally insane who rule most of the world through communications industries, military and crooked finance. </p>
<p>Your servant, jay janson</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 20:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Rehmat,
Labeling does no explain. It merely speaks ab the label user. It reveals feelings such as anger,  frustration, fear. Perhaps mostly fear. ?All people who derive &#039;knowledge&#039; ab anything prior  to seeing, smelling, tasting, touching, and hearing react with fear when their &#039;teachings&#039; of apriori &#039;knowledge&#039; is challenged.

Some of ur questions are valid. I have often condemned christians for many things; including the balfor dcl&#039;n  and destruction of palestine.
However, i do not approve cutting a hand for stealing &#039;illegally&#039; while amirs, sheikhs, aghas, princes, kings, deys, beys steal &#039;legally&#039;
Arabs too have waged wars of agressions; they have even reached the shores of adriatic; spreading their &#039;faith&#039; by sword.
Islam just like all the other  &#039;relig&#039;ns&#039; is strongly asocialistic; always siding  with &#039;nobility&#039;.
In add&#039;n, islam, mosheism, and christianity are strucured just like an army.
They believe god 1,2,3  and i believe in godxy8 and relig&#039;nxy8; i.e., a congregation of one which has no books, churches, preachers.
The god 1, god 2, and god 3 are destined to fight one another forever. What way to live??? 
So why do gods 1,2,3 need mullahs, muftis, rabbis, reverends, fathers, popes?  aren&#039;t then these gods at least a bit limited? While u guyz assert they are almighy? tnx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Rehmat,<br />
Labeling does no explain. It merely speaks ab the label user. It reveals feelings such as anger,  frustration, fear. Perhaps mostly fear. ?All people who derive &#8216;knowledge&#8217; ab anything prior  to seeing, smelling, tasting, touching, and hearing react with fear when their &#8216;teachings&#8217; of apriori &#8216;knowledge&#8217; is challenged.</p>
<p>Some of ur questions are valid. I have often condemned christians for many things; including the balfor dcl&#8217;n  and destruction of palestine.<br />
However, i do not approve cutting a hand for stealing &#8216;illegally&#8217; while amirs, sheikhs, aghas, princes, kings, deys, beys steal &#8216;legally&#8217;<br />
Arabs too have waged wars of agressions; they have even reached the shores of adriatic; spreading their &#8216;faith&#8217; by sword.<br />
Islam just like all the other  &#8216;relig&#8217;ns&#8217; is strongly asocialistic; always siding  with &#8216;nobility&#8217;.<br />
In add&#8217;n, islam, mosheism, and christianity are strucured just like an army.<br />
They believe god 1,2,3  and i believe in godxy8 and relig&#8217;nxy8; i.e., a congregation of one which has no books, churches, preachers.<br />
The god 1, god 2, and god 3 are destined to fight one another forever. What way to live???<br />
So why do gods 1,2,3 need mullahs, muftis, rabbis, reverends, fathers, popes?  aren&#8217;t then these gods at least a bit limited? While u guyz assert they are almighy? tnx</p>
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		<title>By: jon s</title>
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		<dc:creator>jon s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 19:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rehmat, you of all people, shouldn&#039;t accuse others of ignorance. Neither Lenin,nor Stalin, nor Balfour were Jews. At least get your facts straight.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rehmat, you of all people, shouldn&#8217;t accuse others of ignorance. Neither Lenin,nor Stalin, nor Balfour were Jews. At least get your facts straight.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 18:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mass psychoanalysis.  Great Article Jay and I have to think on that mass psychoanalysis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mass psychoanalysis.  Great Article Jay and I have to think on that mass psychoanalysis.</p>
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		<title>By: Rehmat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rehmat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 18:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[bozh - your hidden Islamophobic nature show how ignorant a person could be. 

Were Islamic teachings behind the WW I &amp; WW II, fought by Christians and funded by the Jewish elites, resulting in the death of over 100 million people.

Were Jew Lenin and Jew stalin leaned from Islam to murder 60-100 million Russian and Ukrainian Christians and two million Muslims?

Were Islamic teachings behind Jew Lord Balfour to proposal to award Muslim-majority Palestine to the European Jews who were treated like dogs by the Christians for over 1900 years?

Ma&#039;an, you should add a little spice into your stupid slur about Islam.

http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/how-the-west-got-fooled/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bozh &#8211; your hidden Islamophobic nature show how ignorant a person could be. </p>
<p>Were Islamic teachings behind the WW I &amp; WW II, fought by Christians and funded by the Jewish elites, resulting in the death of over 100 million people.</p>
<p>Were Jew Lenin and Jew stalin leaned from Islam to murder 60-100 million Russian and Ukrainian Christians and two million Muslims?</p>
<p>Were Islamic teachings behind Jew Lord Balfour to proposal to award Muslim-majority Palestine to the European Jews who were treated like dogs by the Christians for over 1900 years?</p>
<p>Ma&#8217;an, you should add a little spice into your stupid slur about Islam.</p>
<p><a href="http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/how-the-west-got-fooled/" rel="nofollow">http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/how-the-west-got-fooled/</a></p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 17:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems to me that also islamo-christo-talmudic misteaching  plays a role in killing people for their land.

Holliwood, `schooling`, media miseducation, advertising, politico-stratocratic think-talk are also main causes for criminal thinking-behavior.
I do not, however,  think that americans, uzbeks, czechs, italians are inherently bad; i.e., having no potential to behave humanely.

They are- up to 98% of them- rendered unsane by priests, pols, miseducators of all kinds. They are not by nature insane.
Or even the label unsane may be misleading. I shld have said that they are told lies which they evaluate as the truth. At the same time, children are not provided with talking-thinking tools for spotting lies.
They have no defence against  lies because nature had blessed-endowned them with trusting their elders.
Trusting, in fact, may be our greatest wealth; however, easily usurped. Oh, so  easily abused by the criminal minds. tnx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that also islamo-christo-talmudic misteaching  plays a role in killing people for their land.</p>
<p>Holliwood, `schooling`, media miseducation, advertising, politico-stratocratic think-talk are also main causes for criminal thinking-behavior.<br />
I do not, however,  think that americans, uzbeks, czechs, italians are inherently bad; i.e., having no potential to behave humanely.</p>
<p>They are- up to 98% of them- rendered unsane by priests, pols, miseducators of all kinds. They are not by nature insane.<br />
Or even the label unsane may be misleading. I shld have said that they are told lies which they evaluate as the truth. At the same time, children are not provided with talking-thinking tools for spotting lies.<br />
They have no defence against  lies because nature had blessed-endowned them with trusting their elders.<br />
Trusting, in fact, may be our greatest wealth; however, easily usurped. Oh, so  easily abused by the criminal minds. tnx</p>
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