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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/why-israel-always-prevails/#comment-65578</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like to think of myself as a citizen of the Universe. I was born in American no choice in the matter and one thing for sure they have better bread in France you know you mean you really eat this stuff. Yes you can find a bakery but most people don&#039;t. Homemade bread those were the day&#039;s. My grandmother made homemade bread on a wood stove for all of us and I would go with her to the ice house for a block of ice for the refrigerator as my grandfather drank whiskey at the kitchen table and tell me from time to time boy I have forgotten more than you will ever learn. Well grandpa you crazy Russia I kind of walked in your shoes and man it was not easy but thank&#039;s. Bozh my grandfather spoke 7 languages what does that mean?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like to think of myself as a citizen of the Universe. I was born in American no choice in the matter and one thing for sure they have better bread in France you know you mean you really eat this stuff. Yes you can find a bakery but most people don&#8217;t. Homemade bread those were the day&#8217;s. My grandmother made homemade bread on a wood stove for all of us and I would go with her to the ice house for a block of ice for the refrigerator as my grandfather drank whiskey at the kitchen table and tell me from time to time boy I have forgotten more than you will ever learn. Well grandpa you crazy Russia I kind of walked in your shoes and man it was not easy but thank&#8217;s. Bozh my grandfather spoke 7 languages what does that mean?</p>
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		<title>By: Rehmat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/why-israel-always-prevails/#comment-65577</link>
		<dc:creator>Rehmat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The current media hipe about Joe Biden being insulted by Benjamin Netanyahu’s latest announcement of the construction of 1600 new homes in Arab East Jerusalem is nothing but a cover-up for the bitter message Biden conveyed to the radical Jew. The message was based on Gen. David Petraeus, CENTCOM commander’s staff briefing to Admiral Michael Mullen, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff in January 2010 which highlighted that the radical Jewish government’s constant rubbing Obama administration nose has eradicated America’s position amongst the western puppet regimes in the Arab world, who see “America incapable of standing up to Israel. America is not only viewed as weak, but its military posture in the region is eroding”. Based on the briefing, the stunned Mullen recommended that the White House make that point clear to the Zionist regime.

According to Israeli daily Yedioth Ahronoth, Biden told Netanyahu in a private meeting: “This is starting to get dangerous for us. What you’re doing here undermines the security of our forces which are fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. That endagers us and endangers the peace in the region. Since many people in the Muslim world perceived a connection between Israel’s actions and US policy….”

The tail wagging the dog
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/the-tail-wagging-the-dog/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The current media hipe about Joe Biden being insulted by Benjamin Netanyahu’s latest announcement of the construction of 1600 new homes in Arab East Jerusalem is nothing but a cover-up for the bitter message Biden conveyed to the radical Jew. The message was based on Gen. David Petraeus, CENTCOM commander’s staff briefing to Admiral Michael Mullen, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff in January 2010 which highlighted that the radical Jewish government’s constant rubbing Obama administration nose has eradicated America’s position amongst the western puppet regimes in the Arab world, who see “America incapable of standing up to Israel. America is not only viewed as weak, but its military posture in the region is eroding”. Based on the briefing, the stunned Mullen recommended that the White House make that point clear to the Zionist regime.</p>
<p>According to Israeli daily Yedioth Ahronoth, Biden told Netanyahu in a private meeting: “This is starting to get dangerous for us. What you’re doing here undermines the security of our forces which are fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. That endagers us and endangers the peace in the region. Since many people in the Muslim world perceived a connection between Israel’s actions and US policy….”</p>
<p>The tail wagging the dog<br />
<a href="http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/the-tail-wagging-the-dog/" rel="nofollow">http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/the-tail-wagging-the-dog/</a></p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/why-israel-always-prevails/#comment-65574</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[System of rule cannot be changed ahead of changing the structure of society.
India, eg, may be an epitome of an asocialistic society.

There is a kinship bwtn  US and israeli society; in the main, because both societies have stolen and keep stealing land. This is crystal clear, but rendered unclear by calling one theft  &quot;zionism&quot;  [as if it is some kind of higher class ism] and the other not.

It boils dwn to attaching to both behaviors the proper symbolic value: theft.
This label cannot be further defined; it is known by some people as an undefinable term.
Thus, there is no need to shout: define ur terms! Unlike the word &quot;zionism&quot;. One shld demand it be defined. And u&#039;d find out that it cannot be defined; except one said: but, it is just stealing!
Both of these societies are sharply asocialistic or fascist, if that doesn&#039;t rub u the wrong way.
So 98% of americans were in &#039;08 &#039;zionistic&#039;; i.e., thieves with intent to murder.
That % of people voted for US structure of society and governance.
That&#039;s lotsof political capital for any prez. It cld have been hillary, ron paul, or mccain; it wld have been the same.
It is the presidency, stupid! Not a person! tnx

Americans like their system. Some europeans like their structures of society and governance. These are an adimixture of the two antipodal systems: s&#039;mwhere inthe middle of an idyllic and strongly inegalitarian-unjust society; with india being an epitome of an aunjust society; much worse thanthe one inUS]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>System of rule cannot be changed ahead of changing the structure of society.<br />
India, eg, may be an epitome of an asocialistic society.</p>
<p>There is a kinship bwtn  US and israeli society; in the main, because both societies have stolen and keep stealing land. This is crystal clear, but rendered unclear by calling one theft  &#8220;zionism&#8221;  [as if it is some kind of higher class ism] and the other not.</p>
<p>It boils dwn to attaching to both behaviors the proper symbolic value: theft.<br />
This label cannot be further defined; it is known by some people as an undefinable term.<br />
Thus, there is no need to shout: define ur terms! Unlike the word &#8220;zionism&#8221;. One shld demand it be defined. And u&#8217;d find out that it cannot be defined; except one said: but, it is just stealing!<br />
Both of these societies are sharply asocialistic or fascist, if that doesn&#8217;t rub u the wrong way.<br />
So 98% of americans were in &#8217;08 &#8216;zionistic&#8217;; i.e., thieves with intent to murder.<br />
That % of people voted for US structure of society and governance.<br />
That&#8217;s lotsof political capital for any prez. It cld have been hillary, ron paul, or mccain; it wld have been the same.<br />
It is the presidency, stupid! Not a person! tnx</p>
<p>Americans like their system. Some europeans like their structures of society and governance. These are an adimixture of the two antipodal systems: s&#8217;mwhere inthe middle of an idyllic and strongly inegalitarian-unjust society; with india being an epitome of an aunjust society; much worse thanthe one inUS</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/why-israel-always-prevails/#comment-65572</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[lobster writes ...

&lt;i&gt;Yes, some people are ideologues, but in my experience many more are just focused on ‘me first’, and that is exacerbated in a capitalist system.&lt;/i&gt;

The Jewish lobby are ideologues and it has been shown that Israel interest is countered to U.S. interest.  Thus if this was about &quot;money&quot; about &quot;capitalism&quot; then they U.S. would have broken off from Israel years ago.  However the U.S. involvement in Israel interest regardless of whether it harms U.S. interest is due to the power of Zionism WITHIN the U.S. to advance Israel/Zionist/&quot;Jewish&quot; interest.  Money is needed to grease the wheels but it is the IDEOLOGY that maintains the cohesion.  Even whereby you have many on the LEFT especially the followers of Chomsky that EXCUSE Zionism rather than confront it.  In other words Jewish Nationalism coheres even those who professes to be on the &quot;Left&quot;.  These &quot;Leftist&quot; places Zionism ABOVE their professed &quot;Leftist&quot; principles.

Which is why this problem is DEEPER than money.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lobster writes &#8230;</p>
<p><i>Yes, some people are ideologues, but in my experience many more are just focused on ‘me first’, and that is exacerbated in a capitalist system.</i></p>
<p>The Jewish lobby are ideologues and it has been shown that Israel interest is countered to U.S. interest.  Thus if this was about &#8220;money&#8221; about &#8220;capitalism&#8221; then they U.S. would have broken off from Israel years ago.  However the U.S. involvement in Israel interest regardless of whether it harms U.S. interest is due to the power of Zionism WITHIN the U.S. to advance Israel/Zionist/&#8221;Jewish&#8221; interest.  Money is needed to grease the wheels but it is the IDEOLOGY that maintains the cohesion.  Even whereby you have many on the LEFT especially the followers of Chomsky that EXCUSE Zionism rather than confront it.  In other words Jewish Nationalism coheres even those who professes to be on the &#8220;Left&#8221;.  These &#8220;Leftist&#8221; places Zionism ABOVE their professed &#8220;Leftist&#8221; principles.</p>
<p>Which is why this problem is DEEPER than money.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/why-israel-always-prevails/#comment-65571</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To say it only money IGNORES the POWER and INFLUENCE Zionist possess within the U.S. political economy.  I&#039;d recommend reading James Petras and Jeffery Blankfort to understand why this is much more than money.   Unfortunately Chomsky and his followers has rhetorically &quot;simplified&quot; this problem by shift the focus to &quot;corporation&quot; which lead to a &quot;monetary&quot; reductionist explanation.  

Zionism is an ideology, money is a medium that is used to ADVANCE this ideology but it is much deeper than just a mere monetary explanation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To say it only money IGNORES the POWER and INFLUENCE Zionist possess within the U.S. political economy.  I&#8217;d recommend reading James Petras and Jeffery Blankfort to understand why this is much more than money.   Unfortunately Chomsky and his followers has rhetorically &#8220;simplified&#8221; this problem by shift the focus to &#8220;corporation&#8221; which lead to a &#8220;monetary&#8221; reductionist explanation.  </p>
<p>Zionism is an ideology, money is a medium that is used to ADVANCE this ideology but it is much deeper than just a mere monetary explanation.</p>
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		<title>By: lobster</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/why-israel-always-prevails/#comment-65570</link>
		<dc:creator>lobster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 20:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Deadbeat
When it comes to the domination of US foreign policy, why do you think so many congressmen &amp; senators vote as they do? Because they are dyed-in-the-wool &quot;zionists&quot;, or because they are follwing the money. I suggest for most of them, its the latter.

Yes, some peole are ideologues, but in my experience many more are just focussed on &#039;me first&#039;, and that is exacerbated in a capitalist system.

Hence my focus on electoral funding.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deadbeat<br />
When it comes to the domination of US foreign policy, why do you think so many congressmen &amp; senators vote as they do? Because they are dyed-in-the-wool &#8220;zionists&#8221;, or because they are follwing the money. I suggest for most of them, its the latter.</p>
<p>Yes, some peole are ideologues, but in my experience many more are just focussed on &#8216;me first&#8217;, and that is exacerbated in a capitalist system.</p>
<p>Hence my focus on electoral funding.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/why-israel-always-prevails/#comment-65569</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 20:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[lobster writes ...

&lt;i&gt;It seems to me, fromthe outside looking in, that the solution to many problems in USA resides in reformation of the electoral process, with a particular focus on spending caps for electoral campaigns.&lt;/i&gt;

Spending caps won&#039;t resolve this problem because Zionism is an ideology issue.  The only way this problem can be resolved is when Zionism is DIRECTLY CONFRONTED.  Right now so-called activist are too influenced by the &quot;Left-Zionist&quot; Noam Chomsky whereby he and his followers (worshipers) have done all they can to divert attention and focus away from Zionist influence on U.S. society.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lobster writes &#8230;</p>
<p><i>It seems to me, fromthe outside looking in, that the solution to many problems in USA resides in reformation of the electoral process, with a particular focus on spending caps for electoral campaigns.</i></p>
<p>Spending caps won&#8217;t resolve this problem because Zionism is an ideology issue.  The only way this problem can be resolved is when Zionism is DIRECTLY CONFRONTED.  Right now so-called activist are too influenced by the &#8220;Left-Zionist&#8221; Noam Chomsky whereby he and his followers (worshipers) have done all they can to divert attention and focus away from Zionist influence on U.S. society.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/why-israel-always-prevails/#comment-65567</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 20:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Nevertheless, given that the Democratic Party remains dependent on wealthy Jewish donors for the bulk of its major funding, estimated to be at least 60 per cent, and that this is an election year&lt;/i&gt;

And Chomsky and many on the Left remains in denial about Zionist influence in the U.S. and does nothing to confront this problem and only offer misdirections.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Nevertheless, given that the Democratic Party remains dependent on wealthy Jewish donors for the bulk of its major funding, estimated to be at least 60 per cent, and that this is an election year</i></p>
<p>And Chomsky and many on the Left remains in denial about Zionist influence in the U.S. and does nothing to confront this problem and only offer misdirections.</p>
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		<title>By: lobster</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/why-israel-always-prevails/#comment-65566</link>
		<dc:creator>lobster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 20:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems to me, fromthe outside looking in, that the solution to many problems in USA resides in reformation of the electoral process, with a particular focus on spending caps for electoral campaigns. Clearly a part of this is setting restrictions on donees too, overturning current statuts &amp; case law.

This is surely the bedrock of the lobbying industry which, lets face it, has made american democracy a farce. The claim that USA is the worlds greatest democracy is considered a sick joke internationally. There is no democracy (which is governance by the people or their representatives) if the elected members are not accountable to the people.

US is currently a 1-party state charading as a 2-party state. There are calls for a new option, but how is that possible without either attracting a huge funding base (from where will that come?) or after reformation of electoral funding? Further, there may be displeasure with the current political options, but what will a 3rd party represent - there are so many constituencies and policy options (economics, governance, social, environmental,....). A 3rd party doesn&#039;t seem likely, so you are left with somehow trying to achieve change through the current system - an unenviable challenge.

Fix the funding, fix the lobbying, regain control of your foreign policy.

As for the uncritical support of Israel by the Christian Right, well, as a Christian I think I have the right to say this group has been misled to focus too much on the future (that cannot &amp; should not be predicted), instead of doing the right thing for their fellow man (not themselves) EACH DAY. And they fail to recognise Israel for what it is - a SECULAR country with a SECULAR government. They are misled &amp; betrayed by their leadership, supporting a mirage, not reality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me, fromthe outside looking in, that the solution to many problems in USA resides in reformation of the electoral process, with a particular focus on spending caps for electoral campaigns. Clearly a part of this is setting restrictions on donees too, overturning current statuts &amp; case law.</p>
<p>This is surely the bedrock of the lobbying industry which, lets face it, has made american democracy a farce. The claim that USA is the worlds greatest democracy is considered a sick joke internationally. There is no democracy (which is governance by the people or their representatives) if the elected members are not accountable to the people.</p>
<p>US is currently a 1-party state charading as a 2-party state. There are calls for a new option, but how is that possible without either attracting a huge funding base (from where will that come?) or after reformation of electoral funding? Further, there may be displeasure with the current political options, but what will a 3rd party represent &#8211; there are so many constituencies and policy options (economics, governance, social, environmental,&#8230;.). A 3rd party doesn&#8217;t seem likely, so you are left with somehow trying to achieve change through the current system &#8211; an unenviable challenge.</p>
<p>Fix the funding, fix the lobbying, regain control of your foreign policy.</p>
<p>As for the uncritical support of Israel by the Christian Right, well, as a Christian I think I have the right to say this group has been misled to focus too much on the future (that cannot &amp; should not be predicted), instead of doing the right thing for their fellow man (not themselves) EACH DAY. And they fail to recognise Israel for what it is &#8211; a SECULAR country with a SECULAR government. They are misled &amp; betrayed by their leadership, supporting a mirage, not reality.</p>
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