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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/roberts-owes-iraqi-people-apology/#comment-65269</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 22:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Layla Anwar tells us what she thinks of us all. Her rightful anger leaps from the page.

http://www.uruknet.info/index.php?p=m64047&amp;hd=&amp;size=1&amp;l=e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Layla Anwar tells us what she thinks of us all. Her rightful anger leaps from the page.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/roberts-owes-iraqi-people-apology/#comment-65136</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not a sick world we live in.  We live in a sick society.  It&#039;s how money is made in the USA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not a sick world we live in.  We live in a sick society.  It&#8217;s how money is made in the USA.</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/roberts-owes-iraqi-people-apology/#comment-65126</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 15:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And I&#039;d just like to dedicate this to the women and men in the military who risk their lives on a daily basis in Iraq and Afghanistan and around the world. And may they come home safe. Thank you.&quot;


The end of Ms Bigelow&#039;s acceptance speech for her Best Film Oscar. The victims didn&#039;t get a mention.

 You can only weep for the people of Iraq and Afghanistan, for those children left with birth defects in the aftermath of Fallujah, for those tortured at Abu Ghraib and Bagram and for the millions who have really been H+U+R+T.

What a very sick world we are living in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And I&#8217;d just like to dedicate this to the women and men in the military who risk their lives on a daily basis in Iraq and Afghanistan and around the world. And may they come home safe. Thank you.&#8221;</p>
<p>The end of Ms Bigelow&#8217;s acceptance speech for her Best Film Oscar. The victims didn&#8217;t get a mention.</p>
<p> You can only weep for the people of Iraq and Afghanistan, for those children left with birth defects in the aftermath of Fallujah, for those tortured at Abu Ghraib and Bagram and for the millions who have really been H+U+R+T.</p>
<p>What a very sick world we are living in.</p>
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		<title>By: Habu</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/roberts-owes-iraqi-people-apology/#comment-65072</link>
		<dc:creator>Habu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 19:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read your post and I disagree respectfully.  Paul Craig Roberts, in his numerous articles, is a progressive and is contemptuous of the Empire. Indeed, he is one of my favorite people to read. He was against the invasion of Iraq. What has happened to the people and country of Iraq is nothing short of a calamity. 

What Roberts mentioned in his article was on the mark. Notwithstanding the good people of the Middle East, the region has enough sellouts who will gladly accept 30 pieces of silver. Just look at the number of Palestinian people knocked off by Israel. This could not be done without the complicity of  some locals. Even the Iraqi Administration is mostly made up of people who have dual loyalties (and citizenships), doing the bidding of their masters. Just look what happened to a recent European expedition to Gaza which was barred from entry into Egypt. How about Saudi Arabia&#039;s intransigence about helping its own people, let alone Arab causes. Just look how the leaders in Pakistan are pimping for the occupiers

Indeed, Roberts is correct in his assertion although he should not have characterized it by religion (stating &quot;Muslims&quot;). Nevertheless, his thesis is on the mark and I don&#039;t think he needs to apologize. In fact, it is the operatives in this region who are content to keep their own people down while they sidle up with their masters for protection. Is it any wonder that the Middle East governments are widely reviled around the world. 

Really, I hope that you look more honestly about the state of affairs in the Middle East and what will happen when the black gold runs out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read your post and I disagree respectfully.  Paul Craig Roberts, in his numerous articles, is a progressive and is contemptuous of the Empire. Indeed, he is one of my favorite people to read. He was against the invasion of Iraq. What has happened to the people and country of Iraq is nothing short of a calamity. </p>
<p>What Roberts mentioned in his article was on the mark. Notwithstanding the good people of the Middle East, the region has enough sellouts who will gladly accept 30 pieces of silver. Just look at the number of Palestinian people knocked off by Israel. This could not be done without the complicity of  some locals. Even the Iraqi Administration is mostly made up of people who have dual loyalties (and citizenships), doing the bidding of their masters. Just look what happened to a recent European expedition to Gaza which was barred from entry into Egypt. How about Saudi Arabia&#8217;s intransigence about helping its own people, let alone Arab causes. Just look how the leaders in Pakistan are pimping for the occupiers</p>
<p>Indeed, Roberts is correct in his assertion although he should not have characterized it by religion (stating &#8220;Muslims&#8221;). Nevertheless, his thesis is on the mark and I don&#8217;t think he needs to apologize. In fact, it is the operatives in this region who are content to keep their own people down while they sidle up with their masters for protection. Is it any wonder that the Middle East governments are widely reviled around the world. </p>
<p>Really, I hope that you look more honestly about the state of affairs in the Middle East and what will happen when the black gold runs out.</p>
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		<title>By: Boycott Israel</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/roberts-owes-iraqi-people-apology/#comment-65070</link>
		<dc:creator>Boycott Israel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 19:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope that Gary is doing his best to lead marches against these wars on Iraq, on Afghanistan, and on Palestine.

It&#039;s not enough to provide &quot;constructive criticism&quot; to Iraqis who are strangling and drowning under the weight of U.S. military occupation.

Here in the U.S., it&#039;s better to criticize the hell out of the current government HERE and demand an immediate end to all 3 occupations: of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Palestine.

When I say &quot;demand an end to these occupations&quot;, I don&#039;t mean here, where no one will read it.  I mean at your City Council and at your University student government, where the media will pick it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope that Gary is doing his best to lead marches against these wars on Iraq, on Afghanistan, and on Palestine.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not enough to provide &#8220;constructive criticism&#8221; to Iraqis who are strangling and drowning under the weight of U.S. military occupation.</p>
<p>Here in the U.S., it&#8217;s better to criticize the hell out of the current government HERE and demand an immediate end to all 3 occupations: of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Palestine.</p>
<p>When I say &#8220;demand an end to these occupations&#8221;, I don&#8217;t mean here, where no one will read it.  I mean at your City Council and at your University student government, where the media will pick it up.</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/roberts-owes-iraqi-people-apology/#comment-65061</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 12:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Further comment on the birth defects.

http://wrp.org.uk/news/5065

As my brother says, &quot;The whole world should be weeping for Iraq and I mean that.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further comment on the birth defects.</p>
<p><a href="http://wrp.org.uk/news/5065" rel="nofollow">http://wrp.org.uk/news/5065</a></p>
<p>As my brother says, &#8220;The whole world should be weeping for Iraq and I mean that.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Gary S. Corseri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary S. Corseri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 04:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Nawwaf, I agree completely with the first comment here by Mary of the U.K.:  &quot;I cannot say how sorry I am at what has befallen your country and your people.&quot;  Words--these trusted friends of mine--fail me; I can barely contemplate the horrors.  Thirty five and forty five years ago, in my youth, I was staggered by what the country of my birth was doing in Vietnam.  I have had to learn a lot about the gruesome history of this Empire in all the years since.

One of the people who has taught me much in recent years in Paul Craig Roberts.  Your article sent me back to Roberts&#039; original piece at ConterPunch.  It&#039;s written in Roberts&#039; clear, quick-paced, no-nonsense style and it covers, as usual, a broad range of topics.  The focus, as you note, is Muslims&#039; lack of unity: divisiveness within nations (between Suniis and Shi&#039;a in Iraq), between the upper classes and the masses in Egypt; as well as divisiveness between different nations and groups--between Persians and Arabs, for example.

Perhaps Roberts has overlooked or minimized some areas of Muslim cooperation.  But, why quarrel with the idea that conquerors exploit divisions within the conquered groups?  I don&#039;t see how Roberts is excusing that basic reality of military strategy.  The U.S. military did, in fact, exploit animosities between the different tribes of Turtle Island (or, &quot;North America&quot;), employing Indian scouts and renegades to wrest the land from those who had made it their own for several millennia.  This is our besotted history, and the besotted history of Empires.  Roberts&#039; conclusion may not be perfectly true, but I suspect there is much truth in it: &quot;As long as Muslims hate and fear one another more than they hate their conquerers, they will remain a vanquished people.&quot;  (In fact, he seems to be echoing a movie I saw almost 50 years ago: &quot;Lawrence of Arabia.&quot;  In that instance, T.E. Lawrence made a similar comment, substituting &quot;Arabs&quot; for &quot;Muslims.&quot;)

Let&#039;s also not be divided among ourselves.  Roberts has sounded a strong, dissident voice against war and against the rapacity of the American--and now global--economic system for several years.  The Cockburns, too, and CounterPunch in general, have been stalwart guardians of truth and facts during our &quot;low, dishonest decade.&quot;  These men had ample opportunity to &quot;sell out,&quot; take the easy path, join the establishment of lies and prevarications.  Roberts, for one, turned his back on that, did a 180 in his credulity about our &quot;democratic system,&quot; our &quot;free markets,&quot; etc.  Personally, I laud his and the Cockburns&#039; guts, fortitude and commitment to truth--as, indeed, I laud yours, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Nawwaf, I agree completely with the first comment here by Mary of the U.K.:  &#8220;I cannot say how sorry I am at what has befallen your country and your people.&#8221;  Words&#8211;these trusted friends of mine&#8211;fail me; I can barely contemplate the horrors.  Thirty five and forty five years ago, in my youth, I was staggered by what the country of my birth was doing in Vietnam.  I have had to learn a lot about the gruesome history of this Empire in all the years since.</p>
<p>One of the people who has taught me much in recent years in Paul Craig Roberts.  Your article sent me back to Roberts&#8217; original piece at ConterPunch.  It&#8217;s written in Roberts&#8217; clear, quick-paced, no-nonsense style and it covers, as usual, a broad range of topics.  The focus, as you note, is Muslims&#8217; lack of unity: divisiveness within nations (between Suniis and Shi&#8217;a in Iraq), between the upper classes and the masses in Egypt; as well as divisiveness between different nations and groups&#8211;between Persians and Arabs, for example.</p>
<p>Perhaps Roberts has overlooked or minimized some areas of Muslim cooperation.  But, why quarrel with the idea that conquerors exploit divisions within the conquered groups?  I don&#8217;t see how Roberts is excusing that basic reality of military strategy.  The U.S. military did, in fact, exploit animosities between the different tribes of Turtle Island (or, &#8220;North America&#8221;), employing Indian scouts and renegades to wrest the land from those who had made it their own for several millennia.  This is our besotted history, and the besotted history of Empires.  Roberts&#8217; conclusion may not be perfectly true, but I suspect there is much truth in it: &#8220;As long as Muslims hate and fear one another more than they hate their conquerers, they will remain a vanquished people.&#8221;  (In fact, he seems to be echoing a movie I saw almost 50 years ago: &#8220;Lawrence of Arabia.&#8221;  In that instance, T.E. Lawrence made a similar comment, substituting &#8220;Arabs&#8221; for &#8220;Muslims.&#8221;)</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s also not be divided among ourselves.  Roberts has sounded a strong, dissident voice against war and against the rapacity of the American&#8211;and now global&#8211;economic system for several years.  The Cockburns, too, and CounterPunch in general, have been stalwart guardians of truth and facts during our &#8220;low, dishonest decade.&#8221;  These men had ample opportunity to &#8220;sell out,&#8221; take the easy path, join the establishment of lies and prevarications.  Roberts, for one, turned his back on that, did a 180 in his credulity about our &#8220;democratic system,&#8221; our &#8220;free markets,&#8221; etc.  Personally, I laud his and the Cockburns&#8217; guts, fortitude and commitment to truth&#8211;as, indeed, I laud yours, too.</p>
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		<title>By: lichen</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/roberts-owes-iraqi-people-apology/#comment-65056</link>
		<dc:creator>lichen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 21:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with what you say; it is both insulting and ridiculous to make this condescending claim that the damage was caused by Iraqi&#039;s when consecutive generations have had their lives ruined and destroyed by the US.  Unfortunately, roberts, along with the cockburns, are a permanent mainstream/washington status quo-validating presence in counterpunch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with what you say; it is both insulting and ridiculous to make this condescending claim that the damage was caused by Iraqi&#8217;s when consecutive generations have had their lives ruined and destroyed by the US.  Unfortunately, roberts, along with the cockburns, are a permanent mainstream/washington status quo-validating presence in counterpunch.</p>
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		<title>By: kalidas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/roberts-owes-iraqi-people-apology/#comment-65052</link>
		<dc:creator>kalidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 18:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This man has something to say. 
He might seem far out or even crazy but what he says is anything but..

http://manfromatlan.blogspot.com/2009/03/whither-islam.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This man has something to say.<br />
He might seem far out or even crazy but what he says is anything but..</p>
<p><a href="http://manfromatlan.blogspot.com/2009/03/whither-islam.html" rel="nofollow">http://manfromatlan.blogspot.com/2009/03/whither-islam.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Boycott Israel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boycott Israel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 18:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article! 

Speaking of war criminals-- The University of Michigan is catching up to Apartheid Israel.

&#039;Historic &quot;Divestment Resolution Passed&quot; at University of Michigan student government, in Dearborn &#039;

That resolution is here:

http://www.odsg.org/co/index.php/Statements/1691-historic-qdivestment-resolution-passedq-at-university-of-michigan-student-government-in-dearborn.html

Boycott Israel, and end every occupation immediately!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article! </p>
<p>Speaking of war criminals&#8211; The University of Michigan is catching up to Apartheid Israel.</p>
<p>&#8216;Historic &#8220;Divestment Resolution Passed&#8221; at University of Michigan student government, in Dearborn &#8216;</p>
<p>That resolution is here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.odsg.org/co/index.php/Statements/1691-historic-qdivestment-resolution-passedq-at-university-of-michigan-student-government-in-dearborn.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.odsg.org/co/index.php/Statements/1691-historic-qdivestment-resolution-passedq-at-university-of-michigan-student-government-in-dearborn.html</a></p>
<p>Boycott Israel, and end every occupation immediately!</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 17:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Had iraqis been united like finns, US wld have not, i think, invaded iraq. They cldn&#039;t be united in any degree because its two cults were puting brakes on establishment of a more egalitarian society.
In add&#039;n, if iraqi people were more or much more egalitarian as finnish was and still is today, kurdish people may have not rebelled as much if at all against iraq empire.
As always, and in most lands,  &#039;religions&#039; play a vitiating role in societies. Islam is not different.
It is and always had been an antihuman org; promoting aghas, amirs, kings, princes, sultans; who rule their serfs with an iron fist in order to perpetuate their permament rule over their peasantry.The only reason that this privileged class of people treat their serfs better than ever is the  vast amount of oil.

Roberts&#039; analyses probably don&#039;t go as far as mine. He most likely omitted the fact that both US and most arab lands are a bird of a feather, thus flock together.

Nearly all arab lands are now uniting with US fascsists solely in order to forever maintain their &#039;godgiven right&#039; to rule over, as it sees, stupid, uneducated, and lazy people. So, welcome to US-isr-arab-indian-european fascist alliance. tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had iraqis been united like finns, US wld have not, i think, invaded iraq. They cldn&#8217;t be united in any degree because its two cults were puting brakes on establishment of a more egalitarian society.<br />
In add&#8217;n, if iraqi people were more or much more egalitarian as finnish was and still is today, kurdish people may have not rebelled as much if at all against iraq empire.<br />
As always, and in most lands,  &#8216;religions&#8217; play a vitiating role in societies. Islam is not different.<br />
It is and always had been an antihuman org; promoting aghas, amirs, kings, princes, sultans; who rule their serfs with an iron fist in order to perpetuate their permament rule over their peasantry.The only reason that this privileged class of people treat their serfs better than ever is the  vast amount of oil.</p>
<p>Roberts&#8217; analyses probably don&#8217;t go as far as mine. He most likely omitted the fact that both US and most arab lands are a bird of a feather, thus flock together.</p>
<p>Nearly all arab lands are now uniting with US fascsists solely in order to forever maintain their &#8216;godgiven right&#8217; to rule over, as it sees, stupid, uneducated, and lazy people. So, welcome to US-isr-arab-indian-european fascist alliance. tnx</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/roberts-owes-iraqi-people-apology/#comment-65047</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 17:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Nawwaf - I am very pleased that DV have given you this space to reply.  Such authors as the one you refer to have not been bombed, made homeless, made a refugee, been widowed, lost their childen or harmed in any other way but write in the comfort of a warm home with their family and possessions around 7,000 miles away from the scene of the crimes committed. I cannot say how sorry I am at what has befallen your country and your people. 2m of us in the UK protested in 2003 but we were ignored.

Today the BBC have given prominence to the terrible birth defects that are occurring in Fallujah as a consequence of the use of vile DU weaponry there in 2004.  This matter has been known about for some time and my brother is one of the doctors who wrote to Treki at the United Nations last year. No reply was received.  

http://www.uruknet.info/index.php?p=m58926

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8548707.stm

All of the war criminals responsible for these crimes and the ones ongoing in Afghanistan  must stand in the dock at The Hague.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Nawwaf &#8211; I am very pleased that DV have given you this space to reply.  Such authors as the one you refer to have not been bombed, made homeless, made a refugee, been widowed, lost their childen or harmed in any other way but write in the comfort of a warm home with their family and possessions around 7,000 miles away from the scene of the crimes committed. I cannot say how sorry I am at what has befallen your country and your people. 2m of us in the UK protested in 2003 but we were ignored.</p>
<p>Today the BBC have given prominence to the terrible birth defects that are occurring in Fallujah as a consequence of the use of vile DU weaponry there in 2004.  This matter has been known about for some time and my brother is one of the doctors who wrote to Treki at the United Nations last year. No reply was received.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.uruknet.info/index.php?p=m58926" rel="nofollow">http://www.uruknet.info/index.php?p=m58926</a></p>
<p>news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8548707.stm</p>
<p>All of the war criminals responsible for these crimes and the ones ongoing in Afghanistan  must stand in the dock at The Hague.</p>
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