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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/notes-on-the-state-of-capital/#comment-65817</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 15:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don,
i am turning slightly right; against my will, of course: i am changing my god xy7. the guy was useless. he did not do one good thing for me over my 80 y of living in woes and sorrows.
my wife&#039;s god xy6 seems to be doing wonders for her. her biggest trips are from couch to bed and back.
Her only worries are that i let the flies in when i open the patio door to piss over the railing in order to save water. Another of her big worries is that i wld once againg burn another pot or that i havent;&#039; scrubbed it clean once i burnt it.
And she&#039;s always cold, so welcomes global or any warming. tnx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don,<br />
i am turning slightly right; against my will, of course: i am changing my god xy7. the guy was useless. he did not do one good thing for me over my 80 y of living in woes and sorrows.<br />
my wife&#8217;s god xy6 seems to be doing wonders for her. her biggest trips are from couch to bed and back.<br />
Her only worries are that i let the flies in when i open the patio door to piss over the railing in order to save water. Another of her big worries is that i wld once againg burn another pot or that i havent;&#8217; scrubbed it clean once i burnt it.<br />
And she&#8217;s always cold, so welcomes global or any warming. tnx</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/notes-on-the-state-of-capital/#comment-65814</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 10:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Enormous Effort
                                    
 
   The system is in control and the few who think they still are in control of it the system are sadly mistaken. Everything should be made as simple as possible but not simpler. Part of an enormous effort will be to slow down you move to fast you got make the morning last. Cup of coffee nice game of checkers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enormous Effort</p>
<p>   The system is in control and the few who think they still are in control of it the system are sadly mistaken. Everything should be made as simple as possible but not simpler. Part of an enormous effort will be to slow down you move to fast you got make the morning last. Cup of coffee nice game of checkers.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/notes-on-the-state-of-capital/#comment-65813</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 10:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just turned to Fox New&#039;s and they are running an advertisement on big government and the debt. Again what is the truth? We heard Palin at the tea party in Nevada and was that just pure unadulterated foolishness what is the tea party all about for real the purpose the truth. Can we safely say somebody is being conned?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just turned to Fox New&#8217;s and they are running an advertisement on big government and the debt. Again what is the truth? We heard Palin at the tea party in Nevada and was that just pure unadulterated foolishness what is the tea party all about for real the purpose the truth. Can we safely say somebody is being conned?</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/notes-on-the-state-of-capital/#comment-65768</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 23:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BOOK REVIEW
&#039;Solar: A Novel&#039; by Ian McEwan
Can global warming be funny?


A comic global warming novel? Well . . . why not? After December&#039;s fiasco in Copenhagen, the story line on climate change is looking a bit like a tragicomedy. Can individuals, corporations and governments all go outside self-interest and do the responsible, painful, self-preserving thing? &quot;Solar&#039;s&quot; answer runs something like: Are you kidding?

Instead, the novel reminds us that even our most illustrious figures can&#039;t resist dark urges: to lie, to cheat, to steal.

    I guess if we can watch our so called leaders talk and not just policy makers but a few more and do nothing but well say things like reload or we need to get back to our conservative values Obama is a Socialist we need to get back to our roots and on and on and on and not into infinitum we can make climate change funny.  Do the people we see on a relentless basis talking nonsense think we are fool&#039;s no they love us very very much and do they think they are fools no we love them very very much. Who would be a good President in 2012 has a real ring to it 2012 how about Obama with some courage and a new way of thinking spreading through out the land or Huckabee/Palin and it&#039;s check and mate, mates could I be wrong yes but I don&#039;t think so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BOOK REVIEW<br />
&#8216;Solar: A Novel&#8217; by Ian McEwan<br />
Can global warming be funny?</p>
<p>A comic global warming novel? Well . . . why not? After December&#8217;s fiasco in Copenhagen, the story line on climate change is looking a bit like a tragicomedy. Can individuals, corporations and governments all go outside self-interest and do the responsible, painful, self-preserving thing? &#8220;Solar&#8217;s&#8221; answer runs something like: Are you kidding?</p>
<p>Instead, the novel reminds us that even our most illustrious figures can&#8217;t resist dark urges: to lie, to cheat, to steal.</p>
<p>    I guess if we can watch our so called leaders talk and not just policy makers but a few more and do nothing but well say things like reload or we need to get back to our conservative values Obama is a Socialist we need to get back to our roots and on and on and on and not into infinitum we can make climate change funny.  Do the people we see on a relentless basis talking nonsense think we are fool&#8217;s no they love us very very much and do they think they are fools no we love them very very much. Who would be a good President in 2012 has a real ring to it 2012 how about Obama with some courage and a new way of thinking spreading through out the land or Huckabee/Palin and it&#8217;s check and mate, mates could I be wrong yes but I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/notes-on-the-state-of-capital/#comment-65765</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 22:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The enormous effort will be to not waste energy on many different levels.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The enormous effort will be to not waste energy on many different levels.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/notes-on-the-state-of-capital/#comment-65763</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 22:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Over time we built the systems, system xy6.5 those systems without energy the lights don&#039;t go on. Many lights seem to be a waste of energy like in Time Square. No not time squared time square. Driving cars in say LA is kind of another waste of energy one machine can take many from point A to point B with very little energy. The energy spent lying to people by a few is also a waste of energy and time that we appear to be out of. Just the amount of energy it takes to make commercials in the greatest nation on Earth to make people feel they are not human if they don&#039;t buy the product is a very big waste of energy. TV new&#039;s MSM is so far a waste of energy showing the people who lie like dogs because is fun. I could keep witting for hours.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over time we built the systems, system xy6.5 those systems without energy the lights don&#8217;t go on. Many lights seem to be a waste of energy like in Time Square. No not time squared time square. Driving cars in say LA is kind of another waste of energy one machine can take many from point A to point B with very little energy. The energy spent lying to people by a few is also a waste of energy and time that we appear to be out of. Just the amount of energy it takes to make commercials in the greatest nation on Earth to make people feel they are not human if they don&#8217;t buy the product is a very big waste of energy. TV new&#8217;s MSM is so far a waste of energy showing the people who lie like dogs because is fun. I could keep witting for hours.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/notes-on-the-state-of-capital/#comment-65759</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 22:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I understood next to nothing from my first reading of this piece. Perhaps is shld reread it more slowly and cogitate upon it for a few weeks and only then offer a comment???

I think that the piece overteems with overgeneralized terms to which true-false or right-wrong do not pertain.
Let&#039;s take  piece&#039;s  &quot;logic of capitalization&quot; as just one example. What is &quot;logic&quot; doing in that label? Now we take the word &quot;capitalization&quot;. Whatever it may mean, it has to involve people and their thinkings- doings in making  capitalization do whatever is it that does.
Presumably it means investing money and getting it back with [?exorbitant] interest for investors only?

And leaving out the fact that the investors made money by robbing people in the first place. And thus being miles ahead, the  race for equal opportunities now begins! And such an iniquity actually legalized and enforced by king&#039;s army police, etc.

Chinese or communist capitalization, at least in principle, is not about making any profits for any individual but for all people!

I still say we can have, broadly speaking, only two structures of society: an idyllic one and an asocialist or fascsit one; each fascist structure being fascist in a different degree.
And an idyllic-egaliatarins ab the same forever with no more wars, serfdom, angst, insecurity, anger, hatred, etc. Or does one think humans are evil! As do religions, &#039;nobility&#039;! 
Today the epitome of a fascist state being india. With US by far less fascist than some lands.

The piece also uses the word &quot;state&quot;. The term appears meaningless. It wld be much better to have said that state 1 is not state 2,3,4,5,x in the first place.
And later explain that this stand for a bounded territory with people in it and with constitution 1, relig&#039;ns 1,2,3,4,5,x, laws 1, etc. to indicate differences also and not just sameness or similarities.
In short, one cld note that state, law, relig&#039;n do not exist. But relig&#039;n 1, state 1, and law 1 do exist.
And then can be compared to other states, laws, religions and only then differences and similarities bwn them studied. tnx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understood next to nothing from my first reading of this piece. Perhaps is shld reread it more slowly and cogitate upon it for a few weeks and only then offer a comment???</p>
<p>I think that the piece overteems with overgeneralized terms to which true-false or right-wrong do not pertain.<br />
Let&#8217;s take  piece&#8217;s  &#8220;logic of capitalization&#8221; as just one example. What is &#8220;logic&#8221; doing in that label? Now we take the word &#8220;capitalization&#8221;. Whatever it may mean, it has to involve people and their thinkings- doings in making  capitalization do whatever is it that does.<br />
Presumably it means investing money and getting it back with [?exorbitant] interest for investors only?</p>
<p>And leaving out the fact that the investors made money by robbing people in the first place. And thus being miles ahead, the  race for equal opportunities now begins! And such an iniquity actually legalized and enforced by king&#8217;s army police, etc.</p>
<p>Chinese or communist capitalization, at least in principle, is not about making any profits for any individual but for all people!</p>
<p>I still say we can have, broadly speaking, only two structures of society: an idyllic one and an asocialist or fascsit one; each fascist structure being fascist in a different degree.<br />
And an idyllic-egaliatarins ab the same forever with no more wars, serfdom, angst, insecurity, anger, hatred, etc. Or does one think humans are evil! As do religions, &#8216;nobility&#8217;!<br />
Today the epitome of a fascist state being india. With US by far less fascist than some lands.</p>
<p>The piece also uses the word &#8220;state&#8221;. The term appears meaningless. It wld be much better to have said that state 1 is not state 2,3,4,5,x in the first place.<br />
And later explain that this stand for a bounded territory with people in it and with constitution 1, relig&#8217;ns 1,2,3,4,5,x, laws 1, etc. to indicate differences also and not just sameness or similarities.<br />
In short, one cld note that state, law, relig&#8217;n do not exist. But relig&#8217;n 1, state 1, and law 1 do exist.<br />
And then can be compared to other states, laws, religions and only then differences and similarities bwn them studied. tnx</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/notes-on-the-state-of-capital/#comment-65757</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 21:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Governments are under the thumb of fossil fuel special interests -- they will not look after our and the planet&#039;s well-being until we force them to do so, and that is going to require enormous effort.&quot;  James Hansen

     Marx, Beck, CNN, Capitalism, Socialism, Vote, the future, money, rich, poor, the Gods, the little God&#039;s, unless we can start this enormous effort the rest academic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Governments are under the thumb of fossil fuel special interests &#8212; they will not look after our and the planet&#8217;s well-being until we force them to do so, and that is going to require enormous effort.&#8221;  James Hansen</p>
<p>     Marx, Beck, CNN, Capitalism, Socialism, Vote, the future, money, rich, poor, the Gods, the little God&#8217;s, unless we can start this enormous effort the rest academic.</p>
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		<title>By: dan e</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/notes-on-the-state-of-capital/#comment-65756</link>
		<dc:creator>dan e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 20:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Haha:) Michael Kenny completely fails to grasp the argument made in this brilliant article. Instead of reacting to the article itself, he goes into his same old act. Trying to peddle Christinanity as something other than a scam. 
Well rather than waste time on Mike the Monsignor Manque, I&#039;m going to go open the links the authors have provided &amp; see if I can catch up with their thinking. 
I&#039;ve long thought that the idea of The State and of Power was not fully comprehended in most discussions claiming to be Marxist, but never developed that insight &amp; its implications. So I&#039;m delighted to encounter these two theorists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha:) Michael Kenny completely fails to grasp the argument made in this brilliant article. Instead of reacting to the article itself, he goes into his same old act. Trying to peddle Christinanity as something other than a scam.<br />
Well rather than waste time on Mike the Monsignor Manque, I&#8217;m going to go open the links the authors have provided &amp; see if I can catch up with their thinking.<br />
I&#8217;ve long thought that the idea of The State and of Power was not fully comprehended in most discussions claiming to be Marxist, but never developed that insight &amp; its implications. So I&#8217;m delighted to encounter these two theorists.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/notes-on-the-state-of-capital/#comment-65754</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 19:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Palin is on the tube right now and we must get back to our conservative principals. We need to drill and drill now cap and tax is bad. The constitution is the best path to a more perfect union. Now she just said it&#039;s time to reload. God bless America.  I think she is done thank you.

    People we are going down and down hard.  I just Googled climate change and the same question is being asked is it real?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palin is on the tube right now and we must get back to our conservative principals. We need to drill and drill now cap and tax is bad. The constitution is the best path to a more perfect union. Now she just said it&#8217;s time to reload. God bless America.  I think she is done thank you.</p>
<p>    People we are going down and down hard.  I just Googled climate change and the same question is being asked is it real?</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/notes-on-the-state-of-capital/#comment-65750</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 18:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“In July 1994, the North Polar ice cap was ten feet thick, and our two icebreakers had a hell of a time crunching through to the North Pole. In August 2000, …where we had encountered a thick and almost impenetrable ice sheet six years earlier, [there was] only open water.”  Richard Ellis

Ellis argues throughout his book that as the species responsible for this rapid environmental shift, we need to be paying attention. If the coldest place on Earth is no longer frozen, this may be our last wake-up call.  

 Thus, why shouldn’t either, or both, of those ideologies evolve into something else wrote Michael Kenny and soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“In July 1994, the North Polar ice cap was ten feet thick, and our two icebreakers had a hell of a time crunching through to the North Pole. In August 2000, …where we had encountered a thick and almost impenetrable ice sheet six years earlier, [there was] only open water.”  Richard Ellis</p>
<p>Ellis argues throughout his book that as the species responsible for this rapid environmental shift, we need to be paying attention. If the coldest place on Earth is no longer frozen, this may be our last wake-up call.  </p>
<p> Thus, why shouldn’t either, or both, of those ideologies evolve into something else wrote Michael Kenny and soon.</p>
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		<title>By: MichaelKenny</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/notes-on-the-state-of-capital/#comment-65748</link>
		<dc:creator>MichaelKenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 17:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only problem I have with this article is that the authors seem to have got caught in the &quot;end of history see-saw&quot;, that it to say, they seem to postulate that there are now, are forever more will be, only two economic systems, which they call &quot;capitalism&quot; and &quot;marxism&quot;, with the subtext that when one goes up, the other, by definition,  goes down and vice versa into eternity. They don&#039;t seem to have envisaged the possibility of a new economic system developping, although they mention that capitalism itself evolved from earlier economic systems and marxism, of course, was a reaction to the evils of 19th century capitalism. Thus, why shouldn&#039;t either, or both, of those ideologies evolve into something else? What reason is there to believe that the human race will stop thinking and limit itself for all time to merely repeating blindly the dogmas of those two ideologies? Particularly as both have been such spectacular failures!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only problem I have with this article is that the authors seem to have got caught in the &#8220;end of history see-saw&#8221;, that it to say, they seem to postulate that there are now, are forever more will be, only two economic systems, which they call &#8220;capitalism&#8221; and &#8220;marxism&#8221;, with the subtext that when one goes up, the other, by definition,  goes down and vice versa into eternity. They don&#8217;t seem to have envisaged the possibility of a new economic system developping, although they mention that capitalism itself evolved from earlier economic systems and marxism, of course, was a reaction to the evils of 19th century capitalism. Thus, why shouldn&#8217;t either, or both, of those ideologies evolve into something else? What reason is there to believe that the human race will stop thinking and limit itself for all time to merely repeating blindly the dogmas of those two ideologies? Particularly as both have been such spectacular failures!</p>
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