Comments on: Nadering Kucinich

By: michaelcavlan

michaelcavlan — Mon, 22 Mar 2010 17:46:44 +0000

Murphy

Fine job Sir..

I have posted in other places as well.

By: dan e

dan e — Sun, 21 Mar 2010 23:20:48 +0000

Proudhon or Bust: The answer is Cynthia McKinney. I agree that Property is Theft, but don’t quite understand your comment. I wonder if you happened to read what I posted which now appears just above your post? Did you mean to comment on what I said, or to ignore it and address only Mr Murphy’s excellent article?

Because the answer to your question “then who” is Cynthia McKinney, as I said above. If you don’t agree, I’d be most interested in how you arrived at that view.
Thanks,
dani

By: Proudhon or Bust

Proudhon or Bust — Sun, 21 Mar 2010 05:07:08 +0000

Sounds like the best Ideas I ever heard, but if not the Genuine Product in Nader, or a possible sell-out like Kucinich, then who???

By: dan e

dan e — Sun, 21 Mar 2010 00:18:42 +0000

What we DON’T need is a repeat of 2008, with a dozen “third party” mini-candidates splitting the anti-Duopoly vote into a dozem fragments, thus ensuring that nobody’s message gets through to Ms & Mr General Public.

I just wanted to emphasis that. Yes, the electoral arena is only one arena in which to attack the current system — but it’s a key point of attack. The candidate or the office is not the main point: defeating/dismantling the SYSTEM is the main point. Nobody should expect a movement/formation which has barely had time to coagulate to be capable of seizing real State Power in one election cycle. Do the kiddies nowadays still read what Mao & them usta say about Protracted Struggle? I don’t expect to see any real progress in my lifetime but maybe the next generation will, or the generation after that.
Personally, I really don’t care what you call it, “PROUT”, Parecon, Bolivarian 21st Century Socialism, Neo-Bolshevism, Anarchological Greening of the Planet. What I want is to see large masses of peoples moving in directions that are in their own real interests. Once the victims of this vicious Zio-imperialist system of lies and swindles see through the snowjob they’ll be capable of setting things up themselves.
However if you happen to be, for instance, a Palestinian resident of Gaza, or a citizen of southern Lebanon, you know you have no choice but to create and participate in the strongest State you can think up. Non-violence is an appropriate tactic in some situations but it doesn’t get you very far with the IOF*.

*Isreali Occupation Army, aka the IDF.

By: dan e

dan e — Sat, 20 Mar 2010 23:35:47 +0000

John Murphy that was a beautiful rap & I do appreciate that a clear line separates Nader from Coo-sin-itch. Whose 2004 campaign farce I let myself be conned into hanging out with for a few wks. Haha, how corny can you get, Psychedelic Reader’s Digest. Later that summer I found myself as Fifth Dist of CA Nader organizer, went through all the Cobbivization changes. I got into some “lively” dialog with Louis Proyect & his designated ANSWER/PSL troll, me taking them to task for not uniting behind Nader. But later I was forced to admit that they had a point. Nader has a great gift of gab but from here he’s a flake. I mean, I am flake, a loose cannon, I admit it, but I’m not offering myself as any kind of “leader” or candidate for Prez. Anyway my experience with the Nader trip leaves me considering him unreliable, unpredictable, unwilling to be held accountable.
But if it should happen that Nader would emerge from the Green & the other “left” party primary/winnowing process as the leading candidate for Candidate, I would support him.
But to me it’s wrongheaded and divisive for him to be out there diverting attention from Cynthia McKinney. Obama will roll over Nader but he’ll have a hard time trying to run his jive with Cynthia in the room.
The core base of the Demock-rat Pty is the so-called “Black Community”, the world of Black politicians & preachers who immediately label any wyt person daring to utter a less than gushy word re Obama as some kind of a racist. The only activist I see out there at this point with the wits & the balls to confront Obummer on his home turf is Cynthia McKinney. Is it conceivable that by the time Primary Season rolls around, someone else could emerge capable of matching what she brings to the table?
Yes, of course, theoretically. But don’t hold your breath.
And of course Cynthia’s base of support is not limited to Black people. She’s spent a lot of time & energy lending support to a lot of different struggles.

But like I say, and Cynthia has said this too, if a big Nader upsurge emerges, on the scale that it becomes clear he’s the consensus third horse in the race, of course I’ll support him. But it will be a “lesser evil” kind of support since my take on the man is “An Eloquent Flake”.
Take it easy John, it’s always a pleasure to read your thoughts:)