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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/let-them-eat-cake-2/#comment-65928</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 23:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Deadbeat, I am surprised that there are not more comments about the tax code I suggest in the article. I had you in mind when I wrote that.&lt;/i&gt;

Thanks for thinking about me :-).  But it was Melissa&#039;s comments that really got my attention.  I like the way she was bringing  an integrative perspective into the discussion of health care.  Mulga response is really addressing the tax question because the taxes are about protecting profits of big phama.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Deadbeat, I am surprised that there are not more comments about the tax code I suggest in the article. I had you in mind when I wrote that.</i></p>
<p>Thanks for thinking about me :-).  But it was Melissa&#8217;s comments that really got my attention.  I like the way she was bringing  an integrative perspective into the discussion of health care.  Mulga response is really addressing the tax question because the taxes are about protecting profits of big phama.</p>
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		<title>By: rosemarie jackowski</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/let-them-eat-cake-2/#comment-65921</link>
		<dc:creator>rosemarie jackowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 19:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Deadbeat, lichen and Melissa thanks for the comments. I agree about the medical/pharma complex.  But sometimes medical intervention is necessary.  Anyone (me) who has walked around with ruptured appendix will testify to that.  Sometimes medical care can save a life.

Deadbeat...I agree with what you say about Single Payer emerging piecemeal. That is exactly what has just happened because the law does NOT provide for Single Payer.  Also, Single Payer does not prevent one from working for a clean environment, better housing, etc.

Deadbeat, I am surprised that there are not more comments about the tax code I suggest in the article. I had you in mind when I wrote that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deadbeat, lichen and Melissa thanks for the comments. I agree about the medical/pharma complex.  But sometimes medical intervention is necessary.  Anyone (me) who has walked around with ruptured appendix will testify to that.  Sometimes medical care can save a life.</p>
<p>Deadbeat&#8230;I agree with what you say about Single Payer emerging piecemeal. That is exactly what has just happened because the law does NOT provide for Single Payer.  Also, Single Payer does not prevent one from working for a clean environment, better housing, etc.</p>
<p>Deadbeat, I am surprised that there are not more comments about the tax code I suggest in the article. I had you in mind when I wrote that.</p>
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		<title>By: rosemarie jackowski</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/let-them-eat-cake-2/#comment-65919</link>
		<dc:creator>rosemarie jackowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 19:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mulga...Yes. Cuba has offered to send doctors to the US - especially after Hurricane Katrina. The US government tried to keep Cuba&#039;s offer of aid a secret but the truth was leaked out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mulga&#8230;Yes. Cuba has offered to send doctors to the US &#8211; especially after Hurricane Katrina. The US government tried to keep Cuba&#8217;s offer of aid a secret but the truth was leaked out.</p>
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		<title>By: Mulga Mumblebrain</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/let-them-eat-cake-2/#comment-65898</link>
		<dc:creator>Mulga Mumblebrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 07:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The last thing that the medical industrial wing of the parasite class wishes to see is preventative medicine.You see,there&#039;s no money in it for them. In fact it represents a threat to their income stream and to their prime raison d&#039;etre-unending profit maximisation. Where Communists or socialist scum see ill-health,morbidity and premature death as ills, every capitalist knows that these are actually goods. &#039;Treating&#039; these illnesses with useless medications,themselves causing numerous side-effects, or pointless procedures, is immensely profitable. The capitalist model of medicine as exemplified in the US, where profits are immense as more and more of the GNP is sucked into the vortex, and  health outcomes, particularly for the poor and middle, are despicable, puts profit before human welfare and life. This is the true essence of market capitalism,the hatred of other people evidenced by allowing them to suffer or driving them into bankrupted poverty, all in order to further enrich already obscenely rich psychopaths. Meanwhile in the hell of Communist Cuba, which the Western elites are dedicated to destroying and turning into another Haiti, everyone is treated for free, preventative medicine is paramount and Cuban doctors are sent around the poor world to save lives and reduce suffering amongst people whose lives and welfare are of no concern to the capitalist ghouls because they have no money to steal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last thing that the medical industrial wing of the parasite class wishes to see is preventative medicine.You see,there&#8217;s no money in it for them. In fact it represents a threat to their income stream and to their prime raison d&#8217;etre-unending profit maximisation. Where Communists or socialist scum see ill-health,morbidity and premature death as ills, every capitalist knows that these are actually goods. &#8216;Treating&#8217; these illnesses with useless medications,themselves causing numerous side-effects, or pointless procedures, is immensely profitable. The capitalist model of medicine as exemplified in the US, where profits are immense as more and more of the GNP is sucked into the vortex, and  health outcomes, particularly for the poor and middle, are despicable, puts profit before human welfare and life. This is the true essence of market capitalism,the hatred of other people evidenced by allowing them to suffer or driving them into bankrupted poverty, all in order to further enrich already obscenely rich psychopaths. Meanwhile in the hell of Communist Cuba, which the Western elites are dedicated to destroying and turning into another Haiti, everyone is treated for free, preventative medicine is paramount and Cuban doctors are sent around the poor world to save lives and reduce suffering amongst people whose lives and welfare are of no concern to the capitalist ghouls because they have no money to steal.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/let-them-eat-cake-2/#comment-65887</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 00:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a great article by rosemarie and Melissa is asking &lt;i&gt;the deeper&lt;/i&gt; question about &quot;health care&quot;. It is what I raised when I criticized the stunts being performed by K. Zeeze and comrade who allowed themselves to get arrested during the Congressional Hearings.  Universal single payer health care will not emerge until there is a movement that challenges the very existence of Capitalism.

Melissa questions are in the right direction. Those questions are integrative.  How can you have health care without housing, clean food, a clean environment, education, and REDUCED stress.  All of those aspects TOGETHER what provides good health.  

One of the reasons I was AGAINST the demand for single payer in the current way &quot;activist&quot; are demanding it is that if of emerges piecemeal, like liberals tend to do, then those people who have access to the other health factors will not feel the need to struggle for an integrative approach.  They have what they need -- see ya!

Again this is the time to really dig deeper and ask more PROFOUND questions about the Capitalist system and consider what the world would be like WITHOUT it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great article by rosemarie and Melissa is asking <i>the deeper</i> question about &#8220;health care&#8221;. It is what I raised when I criticized the stunts being performed by K. Zeeze and comrade who allowed themselves to get arrested during the Congressional Hearings.  Universal single payer health care will not emerge until there is a movement that challenges the very existence of Capitalism.</p>
<p>Melissa questions are in the right direction. Those questions are integrative.  How can you have health care without housing, clean food, a clean environment, education, and REDUCED stress.  All of those aspects TOGETHER what provides good health.  </p>
<p>One of the reasons I was AGAINST the demand for single payer in the current way &#8220;activist&#8221; are demanding it is that if of emerges piecemeal, like liberals tend to do, then those people who have access to the other health factors will not feel the need to struggle for an integrative approach.  They have what they need &#8212; see ya!</p>
<p>Again this is the time to really dig deeper and ask more PROFOUND questions about the Capitalist system and consider what the world would be like WITHOUT it.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 22:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rosemarie, I enjoyed your article.  

You are near an important distinction about taxes . . . something about incentives vs. dis-incentives.  I think there is something punitive about the legislation fever to &#039;regulate&#039;.  

I still demand safe care, when I need help, but these rollercoasters of hype about health care deliberately marginalize the foundation of health.  Further, how to help others access foundations of health?   The &quot;Great Debate&quot; (TM) always slides around those little bits.  You, know, that elephant in the room of real air, water and FOOD pollution . . . you know, those GMOs, those, chemicals that are now called artificial flavors . . . you know all of this.

Just when we should be crowing about getting off of an engineered hampster wheel regarding the Medical Industrial Complex, we are somehow on our knees begging for another pill to take . . . shhhhhh.  Go back to sleep.

How can we guarantee safe air, water and food for all?  With a prescription for highbloodpressure?  Or will access to Abilify (TM) launch that solution into our midst?  

I  continue to have more questions about the Great Debate (TM) than I have answers for.  I do remember, though, that I first started hearing the &quot;sell&quot; for it at a seminar in 2006/7, where the theme was &quot;Socio-economic Disparities&quot;  and the keynote speaker was a representative (I think CEO) for Blue Cross Blue Shield.   She said it was a win-win scenario from a business standpoint;   &quot;of course I think everyone should have a card from BCBS in their wallet&quot;.  She said it, or some other collection of words with that meaning. 

I&#039;m not even going to get into censored treatments by Medical GateKeepers.

Peace,
Melissa]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rosemarie, I enjoyed your article.  </p>
<p>You are near an important distinction about taxes . . . something about incentives vs. dis-incentives.  I think there is something punitive about the legislation fever to &#8216;regulate&#8217;.  </p>
<p>I still demand safe care, when I need help, but these rollercoasters of hype about health care deliberately marginalize the foundation of health.  Further, how to help others access foundations of health?   The &#8220;Great Debate&#8221; (TM) always slides around those little bits.  You, know, that elephant in the room of real air, water and FOOD pollution . . . you know, those GMOs, those, chemicals that are now called artificial flavors . . . you know all of this.</p>
<p>Just when we should be crowing about getting off of an engineered hampster wheel regarding the Medical Industrial Complex, we are somehow on our knees begging for another pill to take . . . shhhhhh.  Go back to sleep.</p>
<p>How can we guarantee safe air, water and food for all?  With a prescription for highbloodpressure?  Or will access to Abilify (TM) launch that solution into our midst?  </p>
<p>I  continue to have more questions about the Great Debate (TM) than I have answers for.  I do remember, though, that I first started hearing the &#8220;sell&#8221; for it at a seminar in 2006/7, where the theme was &#8220;Socio-economic Disparities&#8221;  and the keynote speaker was a representative (I think CEO) for Blue Cross Blue Shield.   She said it was a win-win scenario from a business standpoint;   &#8220;of course I think everyone should have a card from BCBS in their wallet&#8221;.  She said it, or some other collection of words with that meaning. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not even going to get into censored treatments by Medical GateKeepers.</p>
<p>Peace,<br />
Melissa</p>
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		<title>By: lichen</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/let-them-eat-cake-2/#comment-65876</link>
		<dc:creator>lichen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 20:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That is terrible that they are going to tax vitamins and supplements.  You are right that it is regressive, and furthermore a farce, especially since the chance to provide real high quality care free to all was just abandoned.  Now, with health care costs to individuals still rising, why not make it even more expensive to try take care of things by oneself?  Not only make it impossible to see the dentist without breaking your bank, but tax dental floss, toothbrushes, and toothpaste?  All off these little tax tweaks are a waste of time until they are ready to tax wealth, and provide free housing, college education, healthcare, guaranteed healthy food, clean water to all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is terrible that they are going to tax vitamins and supplements.  You are right that it is regressive, and furthermore a farce, especially since the chance to provide real high quality care free to all was just abandoned.  Now, with health care costs to individuals still rising, why not make it even more expensive to try take care of things by oneself?  Not only make it impossible to see the dentist without breaking your bank, but tax dental floss, toothbrushes, and toothpaste?  All off these little tax tweaks are a waste of time until they are ready to tax wealth, and provide free housing, college education, healthcare, guaranteed healthy food, clean water to all.</p>
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