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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.columbia.edu/~mhs119/UpdatedFigures/

  Figure 11 site above  



 Can we tell people the truth the little people the masses the average Joe or Jane it appears not as it&#039;s just better that way. Here&#039;s a good one what elements go into making a 3D TV?  Did anybody do the math on figure 11 as the Earth is still warming in it&#039;s present state and as the black spot&#039;s make a come back enjoy the rain and that will not happen as God sees we are having a few problems and decided to give us a little help and keep the Sun cool. God&#039;s work and can we think of any other examples of God&#039;s work?  A clue  Derivatives the black box you see God took the spot&#039;s from the Sun and now we use them to build the shinning city on a hill in Hawaii for myself and a few close friends. Does this all sound strange well there seems to be much strangeness in the world now and just going with the flow it&#039;s just better that way. Am going to invest in the market and hope to make enough money so as to rent a theatre on Broadway and have my own show heck with the middle man I&#039;ll just buy it.  Freedom Work&#039;s that&#039;s what I&#039;ll call the show then go National heck the World on the third planet from the Sun and will I use a black box maybe and maybe not think I would tell you I think not I know how wall street work&#039;s and let me add am in contact with some of the best math people we now have on Earth and one and one is thirty no no no think much bigger like one and one is 20 trillion give or take a trillion. Freedom work&#039;s and I&#039;ll start the show with how many of you watch plant&#039;s grow? How many of you have health care ok how about a home, food, water ok freedom. I see some of you have sign&#039;s like I asked Obama as Hitler good one. Wait does that sign say raise tax&#039;s spread the wealth baby, security.  How did he get in here?  Am seeing spot&#039;s.  

   Not smart grid low loss the real thing and only a start the truth the knowledge.</description>
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<p>  Figure 11 site above  </p>
<p> Can we tell people the truth the little people the masses the average Joe or Jane it appears not as it&#8217;s just better that way. Here&#8217;s a good one what elements go into making a 3D TV?  Did anybody do the math on figure 11 as the Earth is still warming in it&#8217;s present state and as the black spot&#8217;s make a come back enjoy the rain and that will not happen as God sees we are having a few problems and decided to give us a little help and keep the Sun cool. God&#8217;s work and can we think of any other examples of God&#8217;s work?  A clue  Derivatives the black box you see God took the spot&#8217;s from the Sun and now we use them to build the shinning city on a hill in Hawaii for myself and a few close friends. Does this all sound strange well there seems to be much strangeness in the world now and just going with the flow it&#8217;s just better that way. Am going to invest in the market and hope to make enough money so as to rent a theatre on Broadway and have my own show heck with the middle man I&#8217;ll just buy it.  Freedom Work&#8217;s that&#8217;s what I&#8217;ll call the show then go National heck the World on the third planet from the Sun and will I use a black box maybe and maybe not think I would tell you I think not I know how wall street work&#8217;s and let me add am in contact with some of the best math people we now have on Earth and one and one is thirty no no no think much bigger like one and one is 20 trillion give or take a trillion. Freedom work&#8217;s and I&#8217;ll start the show with how many of you watch plant&#8217;s grow? How many of you have health care ok how about a home, food, water ok freedom. I see some of you have sign&#8217;s like I asked Obama as Hitler good one. Wait does that sign say raise tax&#8217;s spread the wealth baby, security.  How did he get in here?  Am seeing spot&#8217;s.  </p>
<p>   Not smart grid low loss the real thing and only a start the truth the knowledge.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/informed-consent/#comment-65187</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=10055404

  Here&#039;s an article that kind of goes to the heart of the matter. Going out in style is it and they call that style. The same can be said for so called leaders who make our policy style is it no no no it&#039;s called nut&#039;s. It is true to vote so far on this path the low road the runway of life for what reason I ask you. Why can&#039;t we all just get along well that question may take a few more years to answer but as a start and only a start we stop burning fossil fuels or we will not answer that question. As long as fossil fuels are the cheapest way to go it will be used so yes easy this will not be if these people can fly an iceberg in for the big show and a new machine that can download the library of congress in one second what&#039;s up we can&#039;t give this a try but that&#039;s right style is much more important nut&#039;s I tell you nut&#039;s.</description>
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<p>  Here&#8217;s an article that kind of goes to the heart of the matter. Going out in style is it and they call that style. The same can be said for so called leaders who make our policy style is it no no no it&#8217;s called nut&#8217;s. It is true to vote so far on this path the low road the runway of life for what reason I ask you. Why can&#8217;t we all just get along well that question may take a few more years to answer but as a start and only a start we stop burning fossil fuels or we will not answer that question. As long as fossil fuels are the cheapest way to go it will be used so yes easy this will not be if these people can fly an iceberg in for the big show and a new machine that can download the library of congress in one second what&#8217;s up we can&#8217;t give this a try but that&#8217;s right style is much more important nut&#8217;s I tell you nut&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary S. Corseri</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/informed-consent/#comment-65184</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary S. Corseri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 05:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blum makes a lot of sense, as usual.

But, I&#039;d argue with his views on a 3rd party.  

Well, really it would be a 2nd party, because we&#039;ve only got one real party now--the Republicratic Party.  That party serves the interests of the Corporate State (formerly known as the democratic republic of the United States), now also called the U.S. Empire, the Global Empire, the New World Order, etc.  The Republicratic Party is wedded to the Corporate State the way the Communist Party is wedded to the Communist State in China.  And just like the Communist Party there, the Corporate party here has factions.  When it comes to any real reform here, there are the Go Slow guys and the Go Slower guys; the Don&#039;t Rock the Boat guys and the Don&#039;t Even Think About It guys.

So, what we need is some real rad thinking: some Mario Savio, throw your body on the machine kind of thinking.  Blum is right that a &quot;3rd Party&quot; (in his terminology) could not accommodate all the various viewpoints: the loonies, the Alice-in-Wonderlanders, the Commies, the Socialists, the free marijuanaists, the Truthers, the Birthers, gun lobbyists, gun controllers, women&#039;s right to choosers, pro-lifers, gays, anti-gays and all the rest of the delightful mix that is Amerikaka in 2010.  

In fact, we don&#039;t need a 2nd Party, or a 3rd Party--we need about 100 other parties--which is what democracy was supposed to be about.  You know--the &quot;market place of ideas.&quot;  (Imagine a supermarket where the only vegetable choices are between red peppers and green peppers!  That&#039;s pretty much what we have now!)

Anyway, we&#039;re not likely to get there this decade--barring a Great Collapse, in which case all bets are off.  One thing we CAN do now is start thinking seriously about the election of 2012.  I&#039;ve suggested this before in print: DON&#039;T VOTE.  (Google or Yahoo &quot;The 6 Best Reasons Not to Vote&quot; if you&#039;re a glutton for my kind of prose.)  The main point is: BE SERIOUS about why you&#039;re not voting, let everyone know the SYSTEM is a sham and you&#039;re MAD AS HELL AND NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANY MORE.  

Every 2-4 years we go through these ridiculous exercises designed to show the world we&#039;re really a democracy.  So, the various uninformed go out and shout themselves hoarse for the horse of a candidate of the day.  Then they wonder why the horse starts whinnying in tune to the corporate fat cats as soon as s/he is (s)elected.  So, DON&#039;T TAKE PART IN THE SHAM!  One trait all tyrants share: They hate to lose face!  

BTW, the recent Supreme Court decision sanctioning corporate funding of our elections (removing limits on corporate campaign contributions) pretty much sounded the death knell of the tattered remains of this ghost of a democracy.  And, of course, those &quot;patriots&quot; meeting to pay homage to George Washington and his crew really don&#039;t have a clue about what those guys stood for.  And, further, do we really want to be stuck in the 1700s?  After Woodstock Nation back to the minuet?  

Dream!  Imagine! Dare!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blum makes a lot of sense, as usual.</p>
<p>But, I&#8217;d argue with his views on a 3rd party.  </p>
<p>Well, really it would be a 2nd party, because we&#8217;ve only got one real party now&#8211;the Republicratic Party.  That party serves the interests of the Corporate State (formerly known as the democratic republic of the United States), now also called the U.S. Empire, the Global Empire, the New World Order, etc.  The Republicratic Party is wedded to the Corporate State the way the Communist Party is wedded to the Communist State in China.  And just like the Communist Party there, the Corporate party here has factions.  When it comes to any real reform here, there are the Go Slow guys and the Go Slower guys; the Don&#8217;t Rock the Boat guys and the Don&#8217;t Even Think About It guys.</p>
<p>So, what we need is some real rad thinking: some Mario Savio, throw your body on the machine kind of thinking.  Blum is right that a &#8220;3rd Party&#8221; (in his terminology) could not accommodate all the various viewpoints: the loonies, the Alice-in-Wonderlanders, the Commies, the Socialists, the free marijuanaists, the Truthers, the Birthers, gun lobbyists, gun controllers, women&#8217;s right to choosers, pro-lifers, gays, anti-gays and all the rest of the delightful mix that is Amerikaka in 2010.  </p>
<p>In fact, we don&#8217;t need a 2nd Party, or a 3rd Party&#8211;we need about 100 other parties&#8211;which is what democracy was supposed to be about.  You know&#8211;the &#8220;market place of ideas.&#8221;  (Imagine a supermarket where the only vegetable choices are between red peppers and green peppers!  That&#8217;s pretty much what we have now!)</p>
<p>Anyway, we&#8217;re not likely to get there this decade&#8211;barring a Great Collapse, in which case all bets are off.  One thing we CAN do now is start thinking seriously about the election of 2012.  I&#8217;ve suggested this before in print: DON&#8217;T VOTE.  (Google or Yahoo &#8220;The 6 Best Reasons Not to Vote&#8221; if you&#8217;re a glutton for my kind of prose.)  The main point is: BE SERIOUS about why you&#8217;re not voting, let everyone know the SYSTEM is a sham and you&#8217;re MAD AS HELL AND NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANY MORE.  </p>
<p>Every 2-4 years we go through these ridiculous exercises designed to show the world we&#8217;re really a democracy.  So, the various uninformed go out and shout themselves hoarse for the horse of a candidate of the day.  Then they wonder why the horse starts whinnying in tune to the corporate fat cats as soon as s/he is (s)elected.  So, DON&#8217;T TAKE PART IN THE SHAM!  One trait all tyrants share: They hate to lose face!  </p>
<p>BTW, the recent Supreme Court decision sanctioning corporate funding of our elections (removing limits on corporate campaign contributions) pretty much sounded the death knell of the tattered remains of this ghost of a democracy.  And, of course, those &#8220;patriots&#8221; meeting to pay homage to George Washington and his crew really don&#8217;t have a clue about what those guys stood for.  And, further, do we really want to be stuck in the 1700s?  After Woodstock Nation back to the minuet?  </p>
<p>Dream!  Imagine! Dare!</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/informed-consent/#comment-65178</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The time is now we will not get a second chance. The climate bill is next and illusion is so far still the game. On this path think super fund site but this time it&#039;s called Earth.  It will take a lot of us same page a new way of thinking. The truth the knowledge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The time is now we will not get a second chance. The climate bill is next and illusion is so far still the game. On this path think super fund site but this time it&#8217;s called Earth.  It will take a lot of us same page a new way of thinking. The truth the knowledge.</p>
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		<title>By: Mulga Mumblebrain</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/informed-consent/#comment-65163</link>
		<dc:creator>Mulga Mumblebrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 17:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again Mr Blum illustrates the stark truth of Americanism,the philosophy of the hereditary US ruling caste. Americanism is hidden behind a pretty facade of proclamations of love for humanity, the love of freedom and the pursuit of happiness, but in reality, for over 200 years it has really all been about murder, violence, intimidation and pillage. Where Americanism is at its most horrific and dangerous is in its Messianic determination to rule the entire world and to extirpate any ideology or philosophy, or even thought, not based on the true American ideal of ruthless, arrogant,infinitely greedy egomania. The triumph of Americanism after Gorbachev&#039;s surrender in 1989, ushering in an era of wars of aggression based on lies, the ever-spreading tentacles of NATO across Eurasia (in flagrant disregard of solemn promises made to Gorbachev, who,fool that he was, seemed to have actually believed would be honoured by creatures without a scrap of honour)rapidly rising global inequality, mass immiseration and elite kleptomania, has now reached  an impasse.The essential corruption and inefficiency of an elite run kleptocracy based on financial swindling rather than production, has bankrupted the US and the West. The lower 99% of US society has been thrown overboard, and, as the elite show no sign of any behaviour but business-as-usual, face a future of serfdom or debt peonage in a neo-feudal society. The parasites clearly imagine that their one remaining trump,the gigantic juggernaut of violence and destruction built up over generations will suffice to de-rail China, break-up Russia, pillage and punish the rest of the planet, and keep the rabble in line at home. The success in placing the confidence-man, psychopathic dissembler and trickster and &#039;House Negro&#039; Obama into the White House to pursue the elite&#039;s agenda without change from the Bush years,has emboldened them.They are itching for another massacre, somewhere new, either Iran,or Venezuela or Bolivia. I see little hope of escape from this cul-de-sac, short of global revolt and massive casualties. Meanwhile ecological collapse makes all these problems moot,as the point of no return to planetary environmental disaster disappears into the ever receding land of missed opportunities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again Mr Blum illustrates the stark truth of Americanism,the philosophy of the hereditary US ruling caste. Americanism is hidden behind a pretty facade of proclamations of love for humanity, the love of freedom and the pursuit of happiness, but in reality, for over 200 years it has really all been about murder, violence, intimidation and pillage. Where Americanism is at its most horrific and dangerous is in its Messianic determination to rule the entire world and to extirpate any ideology or philosophy, or even thought, not based on the true American ideal of ruthless, arrogant,infinitely greedy egomania. The triumph of Americanism after Gorbachev&#8217;s surrender in 1989, ushering in an era of wars of aggression based on lies, the ever-spreading tentacles of NATO across Eurasia (in flagrant disregard of solemn promises made to Gorbachev, who,fool that he was, seemed to have actually believed would be honoured by creatures without a scrap of honour)rapidly rising global inequality, mass immiseration and elite kleptomania, has now reached  an impasse.The essential corruption and inefficiency of an elite run kleptocracy based on financial swindling rather than production, has bankrupted the US and the West. The lower 99% of US society has been thrown overboard, and, as the elite show no sign of any behaviour but business-as-usual, face a future of serfdom or debt peonage in a neo-feudal society. The parasites clearly imagine that their one remaining trump,the gigantic juggernaut of violence and destruction built up over generations will suffice to de-rail China, break-up Russia, pillage and punish the rest of the planet, and keep the rabble in line at home. The success in placing the confidence-man, psychopathic dissembler and trickster and &#8216;House Negro&#8217; Obama into the White House to pursue the elite&#8217;s agenda without change from the Bush years,has emboldened them.They are itching for another massacre, somewhere new, either Iran,or Venezuela or Bolivia. I see little hope of escape from this cul-de-sac, short of global revolt and massive casualties. Meanwhile ecological collapse makes all these problems moot,as the point of no return to planetary environmental disaster disappears into the ever receding land of missed opportunities.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/informed-consent/#comment-65161</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 17:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, i have been saying that US soldiers in iraq and afpak are innocent. Maybe even at least some cia agents.
In any case, if wld apportion blame and punishment for US crimes, probably US judiciary is more to blame than even army echelons.

But the real, actual rulers, many of which may never know, shld be punished the most.
But the real capos or masters of wars make sure that it will never be known who they are.
And no prez or congressperson wld tell since they are virtual godheads when it comes to dealing with &#039;aliens&#039;: they cannot break any law; in fact, they are proclaimed as benevolent rulers. tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, i have been saying that US soldiers in iraq and afpak are innocent. Maybe even at least some cia agents.<br />
In any case, if wld apportion blame and punishment for US crimes, probably US judiciary is more to blame than even army echelons.</p>
<p>But the real, actual rulers, many of which may never know, shld be punished the most.<br />
But the real capos or masters of wars make sure that it will never be known who they are.<br />
And no prez or congressperson wld tell since they are virtual godheads when it comes to dealing with &#8216;aliens&#8217;: they cannot break any law; in fact, they are proclaimed as benevolent rulers. tnx</p>
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