Comments on: Slavery in US Prisons http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/02/slavery-in-us-prisons/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:07:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: kalidas http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/02/slavery-in-us-prisons/#comment-64490 kalidas Fri, 12 Feb 2010 01:24:24 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=14213#comment-64490 As usual, Deadbeat at least sees the root and takes swipes at it. More than can be said about most every other critics/observers I've read. For the last twenty years I've seen good time Charlie plastic bananas, almost exclusively. Excluding, of course, the dish ran away with the spoon types. Really not much help there, either. As usual, Deadbeat at least sees the root and takes swipes at it.
More than can be said about most every other critics/observers I’ve read.

For the last twenty years I’ve seen good time Charlie plastic bananas, almost exclusively.

Excluding, of course, the dish ran away with the spoon types.
Really not much help there, either.

]]> By: dan e http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/02/slavery-in-us-prisons/#comment-64488 dan e Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:43:26 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=14213#comment-64488 "danny ray" is of no interest, except maybe as comic relief, but what DOES interest me is that the DV editors decided to post the article by that fellow claiming Green Party credentials which started this whole discussion of "Tea Baggers"/Tea Partyists etc. I made an effort to respond to the person who objected to the term "Tea Baggers". I disassociated myself from that particular term and its pornographic connotations. But I haven't seen any further comments coming from the objector, OR from the author of the piece. Maybe I wasn't watching, maybe I missed something? Or maybe Glen Ford is right, none of these Tea Baggers are worth a passing glance. There does seem to be a pretty radical disconnect between how Ford sees it and how the DV editors perceive the Tea phenomenon. ?? Maybe I should go into my take on it a little farther: at one time in Weimar Germany, the Labor Movement was the biggest thing on the political landscape. But eventually it collapsed & was replaced by the National Socialist German Workers Party, the NASDAP i.e. the Nazis. Afterwards this development became the subject of extensive recriminations between the Second International "Socialists" and the post-WWII Comintern-aligned parties, with each side claiming that the other was responsible for the failure to mount a united resistance to the Nazis. Jumping to the chase, I myself try to lead over backwards to be sure I'm not turning a deaf ear to any genuine attempt to forge a united resistance to the forces behind our rapidly deteriorating status quo, to the imposition of global state terrorism and permanent war. So I applaud the joint statements by various individuals & groups opposed to the worst of what Obama et al are doing. But at the same time I'm not going to stop criticizing anything I find misguided or wrong. My experience is that people come to political consciousness in stages. That's certainly true in my own case -- I have to confess I let myself be conned into supporting Run Jesse Run and a bunch of local Minority Democrat careerists & opportunists. So I don' t want to dismiss the possibility that there could be persons just roused from political slumber by the bailout ripoffs, for instance, who may after "further investigation" develop a more sophisticated analysis than they were drawn to initially. So to those who object to being called Tea Baggers, and to those writers & editors who think such folks deserve a hearing: the ball is now in your court. Yes? Yes? I'm waiting... “danny ray” is of no interest, except maybe as comic relief, but what DOES interest me is that the DV editors decided to post the article by that fellow claiming Green Party credentials which started this whole discussion of “Tea Baggers”/Tea Partyists etc.
I made an effort to respond to the person who objected to the term “Tea Baggers”. I disassociated myself from that particular term and its pornographic connotations. But I haven’t seen any further comments coming from the objector, OR from the author of the piece. Maybe I wasn’t watching, maybe I missed something?
Or maybe Glen Ford is right, none of these Tea Baggers are worth a passing glance. There does seem to be a pretty radical disconnect between how Ford sees it and how the DV editors perceive the Tea phenomenon.
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Maybe I should go into my take on it a little farther: at one time in Weimar Germany, the Labor Movement was the biggest thing on the political landscape. But eventually it collapsed & was replaced by the National Socialist German Workers Party, the NASDAP i.e. the Nazis.
Afterwards this development became the subject of extensive recriminations between the Second International “Socialists” and the post-WWII Comintern-aligned parties, with each side claiming that the other was responsible for the failure to mount a united resistance to the Nazis.
Jumping to the chase, I myself try to lead over backwards to be sure I’m not turning a deaf ear to any genuine attempt to forge a united resistance to the forces behind our rapidly deteriorating status quo, to the imposition of global state terrorism and permanent war.
So I applaud the joint statements by various individuals & groups opposed to the worst of what Obama et al are doing. But at the same time I’m not going to stop criticizing anything I find misguided or wrong.
My experience is that people come to political consciousness in stages. That’s certainly true in my own case — I have to confess I let myself be conned into supporting Run Jesse Run and a bunch of local Minority Democrat careerists & opportunists. So I don’ t want to dismiss the possibility that there could be persons just roused from political slumber by the bailout ripoffs, for instance, who may after “further investigation” develop a more sophisticated analysis than they were drawn to initially.

So to those who object to being called Tea Baggers, and to those writers & editors who think such folks deserve a hearing: the ball is now in your court. Yes? Yes? I’m waiting…

]]> By: Deadbeat http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/02/slavery-in-us-prisons/#comment-64487 Deadbeat Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:33:54 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=14213#comment-64487 I do want to make an observation here. Beverly who occasionally post here has an excellent response on the BAR - White Nationalist article. She opens stating that she doesn't get too worked up about it and that the Tea Baggers may be the only thing that keeps Obama health care scheme from getting passed which is more than she can say about the Left. Her remarks are an indictment of the Left and I have to agree. Also I find that the Left has done little in maintain information and pressure on the U.S. Penal System as they sojourn the rest of the world. I find it odd that they miss the oppression right in their own back yard. Has Amy Goodman ever done a report from Riker's Island? On the other hand I do have the feeling that the Left's focus on White Nationalists is also an attempt to divert from the more virulent racism of Zionism. The Left interest in White Nationalist doesn't match the level of DISINTEREST in confronting Zionism which is in the HALLS of POWER. Thus dissidents need to maintain pressure on the Left to increase the level interest of confronting Zionism to the same level it is "outraged" by white nationalism. I do want to make an observation here. Beverly who occasionally post here has an excellent response on the BAR – White Nationalist article. She opens stating that she doesn’t get too worked up about it and that the Tea Baggers may be the only thing that keeps Obama health care scheme from getting passed which is more than she can say about the Left.

Her remarks are an indictment of the Left and I have to agree. Also I find that the Left has done little in maintain information and pressure on the U.S. Penal System as they sojourn the rest of the world. I find it odd that they miss the oppression right in their own back yard. Has Amy Goodman ever done a report from Riker’s Island?

On the other hand I do have the feeling that the Left’s focus on White Nationalists is also an attempt to divert from the more virulent racism of Zionism. The Left interest in White Nationalist doesn’t match the level of DISINTEREST in confronting Zionism which is in the HALLS of POWER.

Thus dissidents need to maintain pressure on the Left to increase the level interest of confronting Zionism to the same level it is “outraged” by white nationalism.

]]> By: Danny Ray http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/02/slavery-in-us-prisons/#comment-64484 Danny Ray Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:48:18 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=14213#comment-64484 OK I just read the artical by Glen Ford, Actually what does that prove. He states no facts just his opinion, There's no facts given it's nothing more than an editorial I will ask you, since Dan E dosen't want to answer except with a shout of invective, why should the tea party have anything to do with prison condition? OK I just read the artical by Glen Ford, Actually what does that prove. He states no facts just his opinion, There’s no facts given it’s nothing more than an editorial
I will ask you, since Dan E dosen’t want to answer except with a shout of invective, why should the tea party have anything to do with prison condition?

]]> By: Deadbeat http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/02/slavery-in-us-prisons/#comment-64483 Deadbeat Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:37:38 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=14213#comment-64483 The Angola 3 are political prisoners. Apparently the Tea Baggers are in denial that political prisoners exist in the U.S. Here's an article by <a href="http://www.blackagendareport.com/?q=content/tea-partyers-are-white-nationalists-pure-and-simple" rel="nofollow">Glen Ford of Black Agenda Report that accurately describes the Tea Partyers as who they truly are -- WHITE NATIONALISTS.</a> The Angola 3 are political prisoners. Apparently the Tea Baggers are in denial that political prisoners exist in the U.S. Here’s an article by Glen Ford of Black Agenda Report that accurately describes the Tea Partyers as who they truly are — WHITE NATIONALISTS.

]]> By: Danny Ray http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/02/slavery-in-us-prisons/#comment-64482 Danny Ray Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:36:02 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=14213#comment-64482 Dan E , your welcome. But you never answered the question. Dan E , your welcome. But you never answered the question.

]]> By: dan e http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/02/slavery-in-us-prisons/#comment-64481 dan e Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:26:53 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=14213#comment-64481 thank you danny ray for exposing yourself so completely and unmistakeably as the racist scumbag I've always known you are. thank you danny ray for exposing yourself so completely and unmistakeably as the racist scumbag I’ve always known you are.

]]> By: Danny Ray http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/02/slavery-in-us-prisons/#comment-64479 Danny Ray Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:30:35 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=14213#comment-64479 Hello Dan E, Why would the “Tea Partyist” have anything to do with prisons in La? What we want is the government (both parties) to quit spending money we do not have. What that has to do with prisons I would like to know? In addition, as for me, I have been to Angola Prison and think that the articles are pure BS. Yes, it is not a pleasant place, for the love of God it is a prison it’s not supposed to be nice. Like every other story in the world somewhere between the stories told by both sides is the truth. As for the case of the three panthers, I do not know the real story and I would hazard a guess that you do not either. Hello Dan E,
Why would the “Tea Partyist” have anything to do with prisons in La? What we want is the government (both parties) to quit spending money we do not have. What that has to do with prisons I would like to know?

In addition, as for me, I have been to Angola Prison and think that the articles are pure BS. Yes, it is not a pleasant place, for the love of God it is a prison it’s not supposed to be nice. Like every other story in the world somewhere between the stories told by both sides is the truth. As for the case of the three panthers, I do not know the real story and I would hazard a guess that you do not either.

]]> By: Deadbeat http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/02/slavery-in-us-prisons/#comment-64478 Deadbeat Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:03:47 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=14213#comment-64478 yet another reason why discussion of a left-right coalition is nonsense yet another reason why discussion of a left-right coalition is nonsense

]]> By: dan e http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/02/slavery-in-us-prisons/#comment-64475 dan e Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:07:29 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=14213#comment-64475 What happened to the "Tea Partyists" who objected to being called "Tea Baggers", who were, they said, trying to "reach out" to what they called their left? Was that just an attempted snowjob that's been dropped for "not selling well"? If any of these folks are still around, I'd hope to see them weigh in on the Angola slave plantation issue? Giving us a thread of hope that they aren't ALL just another bunch of white supremacists? What happened to the “Tea Partyists” who objected to being called “Tea Baggers”, who were, they said, trying to “reach out” to what they called their left? Was that just an attempted snowjob that’s been dropped for “not selling well”?
If any of these folks are still around, I’d hope to see them weigh in on the Angola slave plantation issue? Giving us a thread of hope that they aren’t ALL just another bunch of white supremacists?

]]> By: Bartwilson http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/02/slavery-in-us-prisons/#comment-64472 Bartwilson Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:17:35 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=14213#comment-64472 How could this prison get away with such a terrible thing as imprisoning these innocent people for as many years as they have? Since we know those two other men were innocent, we should try to set them free like the third. They were innocent, and they have spent almost forty years in solitary confinement. If the third man was able to get out, they should be able to as well. That man has every right to write that book and I'm certainly glad that he did. Hopefully, it will be enough to free his fellow accused. As awful as this sounds, this lowered my respect for this nation a bit. We brag about how righteous and fair we are because of our constitution and whatnot, when there are probably more prisons that treat their prisoners similarly (if even if is not as bad). Guards should not allow this abuse happening amongst the prisoners to happen either. This really, in a way resembles our history's slavery. Not all slaves were African American then, and not all of these prisoners are African American, yet they are all getting abused. I pray that this prison gets either reformed or shut down and the prisoners sent to a less abusive prison, for no man has the right to be treated as such or rot in a prison for something they did not do. Way to go Black Panthers for having the courage to speak the truth! How could this prison get away with such a terrible thing as imprisoning these innocent people for as many years as they have? Since we know those two other men were innocent, we should try to set them free like the third. They were innocent, and they have spent almost forty years in solitary confinement. If the third man was able to get out, they should be able to as well. That man has every right to write that book and I’m certainly glad that he did. Hopefully, it will be enough to free his fellow accused.
As awful as this sounds, this lowered my respect for this nation a bit. We brag about how righteous and fair we are because of our constitution and whatnot, when there are probably more prisons that treat their prisoners similarly (if even if is not as bad). Guards should not allow this abuse happening amongst the prisoners to happen either.
This really, in a way resembles our history’s slavery. Not all slaves were African American then, and not all of these prisoners are African American, yet they are all getting abused. I pray that this prison gets either reformed or shut down and the prisoners sent to a less abusive prison, for no man has the right to be treated as such or rot in a prison for something they did not do. Way to go Black Panthers for having the courage to speak the truth!

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