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		<title>By: dan e</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/02/aig-gate-the-worlds-greatest-insurance-heist/#comment-64439</link>
		<dc:creator>dan e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 00:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bozh, 
dan agrees 110pct. Except WEB Dubois is not just &quot;someone&quot; but one of the clearest minds the 20th Century produced. If you haven&#039;t checked out his &quot;Black Reconstruction&quot; and &quot;ABC of Color&quot;, you&#039;re missing a lot, think you&#039;d find both highly enjoyable and very valuable. 

Mulga, thank you so much for kind words and corroboration. I always enjoy your posts &amp; agree with about 90pct of what you say, esp. about the Zionazis. To be up front about it, I don&#039;t have much more use for the Northern Alliance  than I do for Karzai &amp; Co. But then my knowledge of the area is less detailed than your own, &amp; I&#039;m sure you have strong reasons for feeling as you do. 
However since my habit is to pronounce &quot;anaesthetizes&quot; as though spelt with both a Theta and a Tau...;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bozh,<br />
dan agrees 110pct. Except WEB Dubois is not just &#8220;someone&#8221; but one of the clearest minds the 20th Century produced. If you haven&#8217;t checked out his &#8220;Black Reconstruction&#8221; and &#8220;ABC of Color&#8221;, you&#8217;re missing a lot, think you&#8217;d find both highly enjoyable and very valuable. </p>
<p>Mulga, thank you so much for kind words and corroboration. I always enjoy your posts &amp; agree with about 90pct of what you say, esp. about the Zionazis. To be up front about it, I don&#8217;t have much more use for the Northern Alliance  than I do for Karzai &amp; Co. But then my knowledge of the area is less detailed than your own, &amp; I&#8217;m sure you have strong reasons for feeling as you do.<br />
However since my habit is to pronounce &#8220;anaesthetizes&#8221; as though spelt with both a Theta and a Tau&#8230;;)</p>
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		<title>By: Mulga Mumblebrain</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/02/aig-gate-the-worlds-greatest-insurance-heist/#comment-64427</link>
		<dc:creator>Mulga Mumblebrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dan e gets it. To point out the glaring consistencies in the backgrounds of the chief perpetrators in this scandal is,of course, to be guilty of &#039;anti-Semitism&#039; by definition. The huge thefts involved in the financial chicanery prior to the GFC, and the huge transfers of loot to the banksters thereafter, from the public purse, will all come to reside in familiar pockets. Now the second, or is it third, phase of this conspiracy comes to pass. The huge debts incurred to rescue the financial parasites, money they have used for new speculations, new bubbles and to pay themselves even greater, still larcenous, &#039;bonuses&#039;, but not, under any circumstances to find its way into the hands of the despised &#039;moochers&#039;,is to be paid back by destroying generations of social progress, privatising everything in sight and throttling social progress and the common good for decades. To coldly plot such policy, to carry it out with audacity and impudence requires, I believe, a visceral conviction that you and your fellow kleptocrats are a higher form of humanity than the rabble whose lives your policies are going to make very, very, unpleasant. While class and ideology play their part in such misanthropic machinations, there can be no doubt that the cultural and religious belief that you are one of a&#039;Chosen Race&#039;, as different from the rest, as Rabbi Kook the Elder observed, as they are from mere animals, makes such manoeuvres all the easier, and nicely anaesthesises the conscience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dan e gets it. To point out the glaring consistencies in the backgrounds of the chief perpetrators in this scandal is,of course, to be guilty of &#8216;anti-Semitism&#8217; by definition. The huge thefts involved in the financial chicanery prior to the GFC, and the huge transfers of loot to the banksters thereafter, from the public purse, will all come to reside in familiar pockets. Now the second, or is it third, phase of this conspiracy comes to pass. The huge debts incurred to rescue the financial parasites, money they have used for new speculations, new bubbles and to pay themselves even greater, still larcenous, &#8216;bonuses&#8217;, but not, under any circumstances to find its way into the hands of the despised &#8216;moochers&#8217;,is to be paid back by destroying generations of social progress, privatising everything in sight and throttling social progress and the common good for decades. To coldly plot such policy, to carry it out with audacity and impudence requires, I believe, a visceral conviction that you and your fellow kleptocrats are a higher form of humanity than the rabble whose lives your policies are going to make very, very, unpleasant. While class and ideology play their part in such misanthropic machinations, there can be no doubt that the cultural and religious belief that you are one of a&#8217;Chosen Race&#8217;, as different from the rest, as Rabbi Kook the Elder observed, as they are from mere animals, makes such manoeuvres all the easier, and nicely anaesthesises the conscience.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/02/aig-gate-the-worlds-greatest-insurance-heist/#comment-64421</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 23:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan e,
I am not surprised that s&#039;mone had already said that we are ruled by gangsters.
Or that nothing can happen that the one big happy family; i.e., judiciary, &#039;educators&#039;, congress, media, WH, cia, fbi, army echelons, plutos don&#039;t ok.
i at times call the family cosa nostra. We r cosa mias; disunited, without representation, nonfamily members, etc. 
We are the uncle&#039;s step nieces and -nephews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan e,<br />
I am not surprised that s&#8217;mone had already said that we are ruled by gangsters.<br />
Or that nothing can happen that the one big happy family; i.e., judiciary, &#8216;educators&#8217;, congress, media, WH, cia, fbi, army echelons, plutos don&#8217;t ok.<br />
i at times call the family cosa nostra. We r cosa mias; disunited, without representation, nonfamily members, etc.<br />
We are the uncle&#8217;s step nieces and -nephews.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/02/aig-gate-the-worlds-greatest-insurance-heist/#comment-64419</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 22:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The massive edifice of derivative contracts let&#039;s see how Europe does this week and those massive edifice of derivative contracts for the smart ones.</description>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/02/aig-gate-the-worlds-greatest-insurance-heist/#comment-64417</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 20:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What was Einstein very very good at? Seeing things that are right in front of us but hard to see almost an illusion for most of us our eye&#039;s deceive us not Albert.  


A human being is part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. We experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us,us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Einstein

   Are we in a time of Universal deceit well it&#039;s either that or grand stupidity. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness. Now movie starts how did they learn to do this well with the help of writers and special effects people help a little and policymakers how did they learn law school and people on Wall Street business school. Granted after school they get on the job training the fine points. Does the thinking  restrict them to there personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to them?  No just one of the people and once in power they love us very very much. How&#039;s that health care bill coming or the climate bill what climate bill. What is it 30 billion from TARP to small business oops big fight. The 30 billion should go to pay off the deficit so our kid&#039;s will have a better life. Such good people and very clever sort of. Ignorance is strength it work&#039;s with the help of symbols proper dress and if someone asks the wrong question no more air time for you or the look and please leave your on the wrong team your fired. You can&#039;t fire me am a citizen of the Universe, SECURITY.  This delusion is a kind of prison for us. Was he correct on this? Nice cup of coffee game of checkers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was Einstein very very good at? Seeing things that are right in front of us but hard to see almost an illusion for most of us our eye&#8217;s deceive us not Albert.  </p>
<p>A human being is part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. We experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us,us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Einstein</p>
<p>   Are we in a time of Universal deceit well it&#8217;s either that or grand stupidity. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness. Now movie starts how did they learn to do this well with the help of writers and special effects people help a little and policymakers how did they learn law school and people on Wall Street business school. Granted after school they get on the job training the fine points. Does the thinking  restrict them to there personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to them?  No just one of the people and once in power they love us very very much. How&#8217;s that health care bill coming or the climate bill what climate bill. What is it 30 billion from TARP to small business oops big fight. The 30 billion should go to pay off the deficit so our kid&#8217;s will have a better life. Such good people and very clever sort of. Ignorance is strength it work&#8217;s with the help of symbols proper dress and if someone asks the wrong question no more air time for you or the look and please leave your on the wrong team your fired. You can&#8217;t fire me am a citizen of the Universe, SECURITY.  This delusion is a kind of prison for us. Was he correct on this? Nice cup of coffee game of checkers?</p>
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		<title>By: dan e</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 20:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bozh, let me applaud your very colorful but very accurate description of the basic structure of the capitalist state. Your use of the term &quot;gang&quot; echoes what WEB Dubois said about it almost a century ago: &quot;The Gangsters of the World Are Riding High&quot;. 

I think you might find it worthwhile as well as enjoyable to read the detailed analysis of the Capitalist State authored some years ago by the late French philosopher Louis Althusser and his collaborator Etiene Balibar, in a couple of very readable books titled &quot;Pour Marx&quot; (&quot;For Marx&quot;) and &quot;Reading Capital&quot;. 
It was not until I encountered these works that I fully realized that the State includes EVERYTHING that functions to keep or help to  keep the current rulers in power. It includes not just the political state, the lawmaking bodies, the Executive organs, the Judiciary, Army, Security Organs, but also the Ideological Apparatus, the MSM, Academia, publishing, &quot;culture&quot; in general, the religious establishments, plus other elements -- and lest I forget, the Financial State apparatus, topped by the NY Fed &amp; the Dept of Treasury, plus the congressional bodies who make sure the statutes on the books accord with what Goldman Sachs wants to do. 
BTW, I am somewhat bemused by, among others, Alex Cockburn&#039;s &quot;Counterpunch&quot; webpage. AC et al publish a lot of worthwhile stuff, but also have a cpl of quirks which have lead many to conclude they are in fact &quot;part of the scam&quot;. Which is lent credibility by Cockburn&#039;s continuing relationship with &quot;&quot;The Nation&quot;, a publication that is definitely part of said scam. 
But what has me bemused is that Counterpunch publishes some of the most pointed criticism of the Israeli state to be found, and also some of the most trenchant exposure of recent financial shenanigans and  former, future, and current Goldman Sachs employees in same. On the one hand, exposure of the vicious, lawless Zionist state, on the other exposure of the machinations of a bunch of enthusiastic Zionist US Jews in the US economy. But it seems never the twain shall meet, like there is some impenetrable mental firewall between the two sets of phenomena. 
Would I be &quot;going too far&quot; if I suggested something more than a coincidence might be involved?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bozh, let me applaud your very colorful but very accurate description of the basic structure of the capitalist state. Your use of the term &#8220;gang&#8221; echoes what WEB Dubois said about it almost a century ago: &#8220;The Gangsters of the World Are Riding High&#8221;. </p>
<p>I think you might find it worthwhile as well as enjoyable to read the detailed analysis of the Capitalist State authored some years ago by the late French philosopher Louis Althusser and his collaborator Etiene Balibar, in a couple of very readable books titled &#8220;Pour Marx&#8221; (&#8220;For Marx&#8221;) and &#8220;Reading Capital&#8221;.<br />
It was not until I encountered these works that I fully realized that the State includes EVERYTHING that functions to keep or help to  keep the current rulers in power. It includes not just the political state, the lawmaking bodies, the Executive organs, the Judiciary, Army, Security Organs, but also the Ideological Apparatus, the MSM, Academia, publishing, &#8220;culture&#8221; in general, the religious establishments, plus other elements &#8212; and lest I forget, the Financial State apparatus, topped by the NY Fed &amp; the Dept of Treasury, plus the congressional bodies who make sure the statutes on the books accord with what Goldman Sachs wants to do.<br />
BTW, I am somewhat bemused by, among others, Alex Cockburn&#8217;s &#8220;Counterpunch&#8221; webpage. AC et al publish a lot of worthwhile stuff, but also have a cpl of quirks which have lead many to conclude they are in fact &#8220;part of the scam&#8221;. Which is lent credibility by Cockburn&#8217;s continuing relationship with &#8220;&#8221;The Nation&#8221;, a publication that is definitely part of said scam.<br />
But what has me bemused is that Counterpunch publishes some of the most pointed criticism of the Israeli state to be found, and also some of the most trenchant exposure of recent financial shenanigans and  former, future, and current Goldman Sachs employees in same. On the one hand, exposure of the vicious, lawless Zionist state, on the other exposure of the machinations of a bunch of enthusiastic Zionist US Jews in the US economy. But it seems never the twain shall meet, like there is some impenetrable mental firewall between the two sets of phenomena.<br />
Would I be &#8220;going too far&#8221; if I suggested something more than a coincidence might be involved?</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 20:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Brown writes...

&lt;i&gt;The bailout of Wall Street initiated in September 2008 was premised on the dire prediction that if major counterparties in the massive edifice of derivative contracts were allowed to fall, the whole interlocking house of cards would collapse and take the economy with it.&lt;/i&gt;

This statement is true.  Had the bailout not occurred the ripple effect would have been huge and the economy would have been worse off.  So the government was needed to step in.  The problem was that the government didn&#039;t extract any concession from Wall Street.  For example they didn&#039;t repeal the 1981 Kemp-Roth tax cuts on the rich.  They didn&#039;t repeal the 1978 Capital Gains tax cuts.  They didn&#039;t rollback the 1983 shift of SS tax burden on the working class.  They didn&#039;t restore revenue sharing for the states.  They didn&#039;t restore anti-trust enforcement to break up the big banks.  

Therefore the government did nothing to redistribute wealth back to the citizens which is what is needed.</description>
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<p><i>The bailout of Wall Street initiated in September 2008 was premised on the dire prediction that if major counterparties in the massive edifice of derivative contracts were allowed to fall, the whole interlocking house of cards would collapse and take the economy with it.</i></p>
<p>This statement is true.  Had the bailout not occurred the ripple effect would have been huge and the economy would have been worse off.  So the government was needed to step in.  The problem was that the government didn&#8217;t extract any concession from Wall Street.  For example they didn&#8217;t repeal the 1981 Kemp-Roth tax cuts on the rich.  They didn&#8217;t repeal the 1978 Capital Gains tax cuts.  They didn&#8217;t rollback the 1983 shift of SS tax burden on the working class.  They didn&#8217;t restore revenue sharing for the states.  They didn&#8217;t restore anti-trust enforcement to break up the big banks.  </p>
<p>Therefore the government did nothing to redistribute wealth back to the citizens which is what is needed.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 19:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don is correct the damage is already done.  Geithner, the tax evader, did his part as planned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don is correct the damage is already done.  Geithner, the tax evader, did his part as planned.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 19:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And in the Capitalist system that some have called a mad mad mad World a few are running around being smarter than the many.  Well smarter is the wrong word passing laws that only they the few understand after of course selling there soul to the system and anybody else they can think of. Now this thinking sort of trickles down to many more. We are doing it for the share holders kind of. Do some use force of course and remember that can be an illusion all that is needed is you believe in the illusion. I hear now that pension funds are in a bit of trouble you know you work for say a city 25 or thirty years and well the smart ones now think it&#039;s a good idea to not pay up. Well they can&#039;t pay up the money is now debt something to do with one and one is not two but 20 or thirty that went very very wrong. Again as the system began to fall apart about two years ago who got the help first that&#039;s right the smart one&#039;s but you need us we make the World go around. No that&#039;s called gravity has something to do with the Sun and the known Universe. Don&#039;t tell anybody they won&#039;t believe you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And in the Capitalist system that some have called a mad mad mad World a few are running around being smarter than the many.  Well smarter is the wrong word passing laws that only they the few understand after of course selling there soul to the system and anybody else they can think of. Now this thinking sort of trickles down to many more. We are doing it for the share holders kind of. Do some use force of course and remember that can be an illusion all that is needed is you believe in the illusion. I hear now that pension funds are in a bit of trouble you know you work for say a city 25 or thirty years and well the smart ones now think it&#8217;s a good idea to not pay up. Well they can&#8217;t pay up the money is now debt something to do with one and one is not two but 20 or thirty that went very very wrong. Again as the system began to fall apart about two years ago who got the help first that&#8217;s right the smart one&#8217;s but you need us we make the World go around. No that&#8217;s called gravity has something to do with the Sun and the known Universe. Don&#8217;t tell anybody they won&#8217;t believe you.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 17:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Achtung and danger! Bozh is writing! Don&#039;t believe a word of what i say.
I aver that we have been ruled by gangsters for at least 10k yrs. US is ruled by a gang.
It is basicly structured like a mafia, biker, street gang: capo at the top, frontman, and a hitman or hitmen.
Cia-army is a hitman, congress-schooling-WH-media  is the frontman; plutos the invisible but smellable capo.
Each of these studs of  the house of robber barons has an assigned task. Main function of the congress-WH is to scribble dwn laws; written by Them against;oops, for the other Them.
Which, of course, are interpretd by former Them [socalled judiciary];  always as needed or as it suits the first Them and the capo.
Wasn&#039;t that what capone, luciano had? 
Another act that WH-media-congress-schooling performs at the behest of the capo is telling people what is not going on.

i suppose that capone also had own banking system. So does judiciary, congress,  the capo. So is capo gonna punish self?  he never had before.
he might, do u think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Achtung and danger! Bozh is writing! Don&#8217;t believe a word of what i say.<br />
I aver that we have been ruled by gangsters for at least 10k yrs. US is ruled by a gang.<br />
It is basicly structured like a mafia, biker, street gang: capo at the top, frontman, and a hitman or hitmen.<br />
Cia-army is a hitman, congress-schooling-WH-media  is the frontman; plutos the invisible but smellable capo.<br />
Each of these studs of  the house of robber barons has an assigned task. Main function of the congress-WH is to scribble dwn laws; written by Them against;oops, for the other Them.<br />
Which, of course, are interpretd by former Them [socalled judiciary];  always as needed or as it suits the first Them and the capo.<br />
Wasn&#8217;t that what capone, luciano had?<br />
Another act that WH-media-congress-schooling performs at the behest of the capo is telling people what is not going on.</p>
<p>i suppose that capone also had own banking system. So does judiciary, congress,  the capo. So is capo gonna punish self?  he never had before.<br />
he might, do u think?</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 17:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then of course many will say oh you just don&#039;t like rich people this is nothing more than class war fair. Yes the last few years you are 100% correct in that statement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then of course many will say oh you just don&#8217;t like rich people this is nothing more than class war fair. Yes the last few years you are 100% correct in that statement.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 16:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Ellen if your article was ever even mentioned on msm the response would be this had to be done we need Goldman or AIG to big to fail. So the World would not go on without them and just maybe the World/Earth life will not go on with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Ellen if your article was ever even mentioned on msm the response would be this had to be done we need Goldman or AIG to big to fail. So the World would not go on without them and just maybe the World/Earth life will not go on with them.</p>
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