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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/01/einstein-on-palestine-and-zionism/#comment-63518</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joed,
I agree. It is not solely &#039;jews&#039; who cannot give up their &quot;jewishness&quot;; i.e., a connection with mosheism, vicious hebrew priests, talmud or belief in the right of the &#039;jews&#039; to have a state of their own and to lead the world.

I say that if had been connected in any mode with anything &#039;jewish&#039;, i&#039;d be deeply ashamed  and embarassed if i only deemed  self a &quot;jew&quot;, let alone proclaimed it!

Similarly, a person who deems or calls self  &quot;Muslim&quot; rather than first of all human and thereafter a lebanese, iraqi, et al also is firmly wedded to a cult.
Christianity, to me, appears an ideology similar to islam and mosheism.
All three compare well with mein kampf. 

Btw, einstein either lied or was not aware that hitler offered &#039;jews&#039;  madagascar as a homeland or country!  UK offered then uganda. USSR gave them birobidjan. 
Of course going to those places wld have meant not much support for them even from &#039;jews&#039;  let alone christians; so, rejecting those places. tnx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joed,<br />
I agree. It is not solely &#8216;jews&#8217; who cannot give up their &#8220;jewishness&#8221;; i.e., a connection with mosheism, vicious hebrew priests, talmud or belief in the right of the &#8216;jews&#8217; to have a state of their own and to lead the world.</p>
<p>I say that if had been connected in any mode with anything &#8216;jewish&#8217;, i&#8217;d be deeply ashamed  and embarassed if i only deemed  self a &#8220;jew&#8221;, let alone proclaimed it!</p>
<p>Similarly, a person who deems or calls self  &#8220;Muslim&#8221; rather than first of all human and thereafter a lebanese, iraqi, et al also is firmly wedded to a cult.<br />
Christianity, to me, appears an ideology similar to islam and mosheism.<br />
All three compare well with mein kampf. </p>
<p>Btw, einstein either lied or was not aware that hitler offered &#8216;jews&#8217;  madagascar as a homeland or country!  UK offered then uganda. USSR gave them birobidjan.<br />
Of course going to those places wld have meant not much support for them even from &#8216;jews&#8217;  let alone christians; so, rejecting those places. tnx</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/01/einstein-on-palestine-and-zionism/#comment-63516</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Deadbeat thanks for the link on Einstein. Once again it demonstrates the eloquence and insight of a brilliant thinker - not simply a scientist, but a social thinker.

It is this human nature which is so important, not simply the fabrication of systems. Peeling off these ideological layers we see what we are, what we need, or think we need and what we want or think we want.

There is great tension between what we need because there are contradictions which are not put to rest simply by changing a system. The human consciousness continues its struggle.

But social&quot;ism&quot; as in what is communially ours and that which is private are certainly one of the cruxes of the issue. The interedependence not only of the species (homo sapiens) but of all of life and non-life no the planet cannot be avoided. It is the unavoidable unnegotiable truth at all levels of consciousness.

On a recent interview with the author Michael Scammell on the topic of Arthur Koestler you see him aligning with Zionism (this is prior to talk about Palestine) and then renouncing it. This I think was common for many Jewish intellectuals. The thought of a solution to the wandering Jews in the midst of non-Jews seemed to point toward a nation-state of Jews.

But Koestler was for a time a die-hard Communist and then walked away from that remaining always on the left however. There is nothing wrong with the attraction on one level and then determining that from a certain set of principles that attraction is wrong in some way - morally, ethically, soically, economically, etc.

Point, I don&#039;t think Einstein was a Zionist but one&#039;s life follows a trajectory of twists and turns. Who among us has not changed in some way what they held to be certain? Einstein&#039;s primary guiding principle was world peace it was a natural human and logical conclusion. Nation-states (before them city-states) have held claim to conflict and war. In his life he would not stand for such a deep and unreconcilable contradiction with Zionism, which is nothing if not a chauvinist ideology.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deadbeat thanks for the link on Einstein. Once again it demonstrates the eloquence and insight of a brilliant thinker &#8211; not simply a scientist, but a social thinker.</p>
<p>It is this human nature which is so important, not simply the fabrication of systems. Peeling off these ideological layers we see what we are, what we need, or think we need and what we want or think we want.</p>
<p>There is great tension between what we need because there are contradictions which are not put to rest simply by changing a system. The human consciousness continues its struggle.</p>
<p>But social&#8221;ism&#8221; as in what is communially ours and that which is private are certainly one of the cruxes of the issue. The interedependence not only of the species (homo sapiens) but of all of life and non-life no the planet cannot be avoided. It is the unavoidable unnegotiable truth at all levels of consciousness.</p>
<p>On a recent interview with the author Michael Scammell on the topic of Arthur Koestler you see him aligning with Zionism (this is prior to talk about Palestine) and then renouncing it. This I think was common for many Jewish intellectuals. The thought of a solution to the wandering Jews in the midst of non-Jews seemed to point toward a nation-state of Jews.</p>
<p>But Koestler was for a time a die-hard Communist and then walked away from that remaining always on the left however. There is nothing wrong with the attraction on one level and then determining that from a certain set of principles that attraction is wrong in some way &#8211; morally, ethically, soically, economically, etc.</p>
<p>Point, I don&#8217;t think Einstein was a Zionist but one&#8217;s life follows a trajectory of twists and turns. Who among us has not changed in some way what they held to be certain? Einstein&#8217;s primary guiding principle was world peace it was a natural human and logical conclusion. Nation-states (before them city-states) have held claim to conflict and war. In his life he would not stand for such a deep and unreconcilable contradiction with Zionism, which is nothing if not a chauvinist ideology.</p>
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		<title>By: Maryb</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/01/einstein-on-palestine-and-zionism/#comment-63514</link>
		<dc:creator>Maryb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My name was taken when registration began on this site.

If  what you allege is true, why does a democracy, the only one on the ME, believe in summary execution? That is a rhetorical question by the way.

I thought you had a legal system. This murderous barbarism (there is no other way to describe it)  is identical to that of the  Nazis who perpetrated their foul acts, putting fear into the local populace by acts of wanton murder and brutality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My name was taken when registration began on this site.</p>
<p>If  what you allege is true, why does a democracy, the only one on the ME, believe in summary execution? That is a rhetorical question by the way.</p>
<p>I thought you had a legal system. This murderous barbarism (there is no other way to describe it)  is identical to that of the  Nazis who perpetrated their foul acts, putting fear into the local populace by acts of wanton murder and brutality.</p>
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		<title>By: Maryb</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am assuming that Hasbara put those words into your mouth. Divert, negate, divert again....

Here are some of the latest atrocities, carried out in the dark of the night needless to say,  by the terror squads of the terror state as reported by an American visiting the remnants of Palestine. The report is darkly illuminating, disturbing and moving. 

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2010/01/09/impressions-of-israeli-executions-in-the]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am assuming that Hasbara put those words into your mouth. Divert, negate, divert again&#8230;.</p>
<p>Here are some of the latest atrocities, carried out in the dark of the night needless to say,  by the terror squads of the terror state as reported by an American visiting the remnants of Palestine. The report is darkly illuminating, disturbing and moving. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2010/01/09/impressions-of-israeli-executions-in-the" rel="nofollow">http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2010/01/09/impressions-of-israeli-executions-in-the</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/01/einstein-on-palestine-and-zionism/#comment-63508</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is important to remember that  when President Harry Truman recognized Israel in May 1948,  Einstein declared it “the fulfillment of our dreams.”
         He declined the presidency in 1952 because as he wrote : &quot;a position like Israel&#039;s presidency required etiquette and interpersonal finesse—traits that he, claimed to lack.&quot;
         Several days before his death, in April 1955, he invited Israel&#039;s  ambassador Eban to his home and asked if the Israelis would like him to record a national radio address of Israel&#039;s behalf. &quot;I must challenge the conscience of the world, he told Eban, &quot;and boldly criticize the world powers for their attitude to Israel&quot;. The speech was planned to coincide with the Israeli Independence day at the end of the month. Unfortunately he died before being able to deliver the speech.
        In his will he left orders for a trust to be formed containing &quot;all of my manuscripts, copyrights, publication rights&quot; and all other rights. The trust&#039;s income was designated to his dependents - as long as they lived. After that its contents and income reverted to the Hebrew University, of which he was a founder and a member of the board of trustees.
        Einstein was among the founders of the Hebrew University, one of the most important achievements of the Zionist movement. And if Einstein did not support Israel he would not have volunteered to make a radio broadcast on the eve  of Israel&#039;s seventh birthday to criticize the  world powers for their attitude to Israel.
        Author William Frankel, wrote in his &quot;Tea With Einstein&quot;:    &quot;Einstein was passionate in his denunciation of the Irgun and the Stern Gang, even though he conceded that its militant activities could possibly advance the creation of the Jewish state which was, in his opinion, both desirable and inevitable.&quot; 
        In a 1947 letter to Indian Prime Minister Nehru seeking support for the Jewish state, Einstein wrote that &quot;long before the emergence of Hitler I made the cause of Zionism mine because through it I saw a means of correcting a flagrant wrong.&quot; and &quot;the advent of Hitler underscored with a savage logic all the disastrous implications contained in the abnormal
situation in which Jews found themselves. Millions of Jews perished. . . because there was no spot on the globe where they could find sanctuary. . . The Jewish survivors demand the right to dwell amid brothers, on the ancient soil of their fathers.&quot;
       After Israel was established he wrote to a cousin in Uruguay:“No one respects. . . those who do not fight for their rights”.  Einstein allowed the auctioning of this letter to raise funds for the Israel’s Defense Forces. 
       Besides his close relationship with the Hebrew University, Einstein served on an advisory committee  for the Weizmann&#039;s Institute, to which he donated a trove of personal papers.
        Einstein was a Zionist.

                                               Jacob]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is important to remember that  when President Harry Truman recognized Israel in May 1948,  Einstein declared it “the fulfillment of our dreams.”<br />
         He declined the presidency in 1952 because as he wrote : &#8220;a position like Israel&#8217;s presidency required etiquette and interpersonal finesse—traits that he, claimed to lack.&#8221;<br />
         Several days before his death, in April 1955, he invited Israel&#8217;s  ambassador Eban to his home and asked if the Israelis would like him to record a national radio address of Israel&#8217;s behalf. &#8220;I must challenge the conscience of the world, he told Eban, &#8220;and boldly criticize the world powers for their attitude to Israel&#8221;. The speech was planned to coincide with the Israeli Independence day at the end of the month. Unfortunately he died before being able to deliver the speech.<br />
        In his will he left orders for a trust to be formed containing &#8220;all of my manuscripts, copyrights, publication rights&#8221; and all other rights. The trust&#8217;s income was designated to his dependents &#8211; as long as they lived. After that its contents and income reverted to the Hebrew University, of which he was a founder and a member of the board of trustees.<br />
        Einstein was among the founders of the Hebrew University, one of the most important achievements of the Zionist movement. And if Einstein did not support Israel he would not have volunteered to make a radio broadcast on the eve  of Israel&#8217;s seventh birthday to criticize the  world powers for their attitude to Israel.<br />
        Author William Frankel, wrote in his &#8220;Tea With Einstein&#8221;:    &#8220;Einstein was passionate in his denunciation of the Irgun and the Stern Gang, even though he conceded that its militant activities could possibly advance the creation of the Jewish state which was, in his opinion, both desirable and inevitable.&#8221;<br />
        In a 1947 letter to Indian Prime Minister Nehru seeking support for the Jewish state, Einstein wrote that &#8220;long before the emergence of Hitler I made the cause of Zionism mine because through it I saw a means of correcting a flagrant wrong.&#8221; and &#8220;the advent of Hitler underscored with a savage logic all the disastrous implications contained in the abnormal<br />
situation in which Jews found themselves. Millions of Jews perished. . . because there was no spot on the globe where they could find sanctuary. . . The Jewish survivors demand the right to dwell amid brothers, on the ancient soil of their fathers.&#8221;<br />
       After Israel was established he wrote to a cousin in Uruguay:“No one respects. . . those who do not fight for their rights”.  Einstein allowed the auctioning of this letter to raise funds for the Israel’s Defense Forces.<br />
       Besides his close relationship with the Hebrew University, Einstein served on an advisory committee  for the Weizmann&#8217;s Institute, to which he donated a trove of personal papers.<br />
        Einstein was a Zionist.</p>
<p>                                               Jacob</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen Fleming</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen Fleming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 02:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the essay &quot;The Calling of The Jews&quot; Einstein wrote:

 &quot;This is a time when there seems to be a particular need for men of philosophical persuasion—that is to say, friends of wisdom and truth—to join together…We Jews should be, and remain, the carriers and patrons of spiritual values. But we should also always be aware of the fact that these spiritual values are and always have been the common goal of mankind.&quot;

e
http://wearewideawake.org/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the essay &#8220;The Calling of The Jews&#8221; Einstein wrote:</p>
<p> &#8220;This is a time when there seems to be a particular need for men of philosophical persuasion—that is to say, friends of wisdom and truth—to join together…We Jews should be, and remain, the carriers and patrons of spiritual values. But we should also always be aware of the fact that these spiritual values are and always have been the common goal of mankind.&#8221;</p>
<p>e<br />
<a href="http://wearewideawake.org/" rel="nofollow">http://wearewideawake.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: joed</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/01/einstein-on-palestine-and-zionism/#comment-63501</link>
		<dc:creator>joed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hi bozh, it aint just jews what be aflicted with the cult mentality--is it!
seems the more aflicted they be then the more they kill kill kill.  look at me i am gods chosen, i am special.  sick stuff-sick humans.
&quot;The essence of immorality is the tendency to make an exception of myself&quot;: Jane Addams]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi bozh, it aint just jews what be aflicted with the cult mentality&#8211;is it!<br />
seems the more aflicted they be then the more they kill kill kill.  look at me i am gods chosen, i am special.  sick stuff-sick humans.<br />
&#8220;The essence of immorality is the tendency to make an exception of myself&#8221;: Jane Addams</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/01/einstein-on-palestine-and-zionism/#comment-63500</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is at least odd or even odder than a old cow&#039;s udder that einstein had not known that it had been judaism or mosheism; or rather, hebrew mad priests who have ordered hebrews to attack and slay all canaanites and establish a hebrew-only country stretching from river to river [nile to euphrates] or the lesser version that  wld have included parts of jordan, lebanon, and syria.
tnx
Semites were and r still lot darker with brown and black eyes an doften rounded faces.
 
Or did he think that semites were  also that stupid to allow any immigration into palestine by white europeans? Or did not know that immigration of white people was allowed by League of Nations and later by UN; which was dominated by communist and fascist lands and empires. 

I think einstein was, if accurately quoted, a hypocrite; he jsut cldn&#039;t wrestle dwn his jewishness. And ?all  &#039;jews&#039; seem to have that problem.
Even atzmon had once said that he has to fight his own jewishness. It appears nigh impossible to give up a cult! tnx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is at least odd or even odder than a old cow&#8217;s udder that einstein had not known that it had been judaism or mosheism; or rather, hebrew mad priests who have ordered hebrews to attack and slay all canaanites and establish a hebrew-only country stretching from river to river [nile to euphrates] or the lesser version that  wld have included parts of jordan, lebanon, and syria.<br />
tnx<br />
Semites were and r still lot darker with brown and black eyes an doften rounded faces.</p>
<p>Or did he think that semites were  also that stupid to allow any immigration into palestine by white europeans? Or did not know that immigration of white people was allowed by League of Nations and later by UN; which was dominated by communist and fascist lands and empires. </p>
<p>I think einstein was, if accurately quoted, a hypocrite; he jsut cldn&#8217;t wrestle dwn his jewishness. And ?all  &#8216;jews&#8217; seem to have that problem.<br />
Even atzmon had once said that he has to fight his own jewishness. It appears nigh impossible to give up a cult! tnx</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;It seems once again that we twist terms to satisfy our purposes.&lt;/i&gt;

Einstein being a scientist was no twister of terms.  He understood clearly the terms of his own ideology.  Einstein was a socialist and he wrote the opening for the Marxist journel &quot;The Monthly Review&quot; in 1949 entitled&lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.monthlyreview.org/598einstein.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; &quot;Why Socialism?&quot;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It seems once again that we twist terms to satisfy our purposes.</i></p>
<p>Einstein being a scientist was no twister of terms.  He understood clearly the terms of his own ideology.  Einstein was a socialist and he wrote the opening for the Marxist journel &#8220;The Monthly Review&#8221; in 1949 entitled<i><a href="http://www.monthlyreview.org/598einstein.php" rel="nofollow"> &#8220;Why Socialism?&#8221;</a></i></p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/01/einstein-on-palestine-and-zionism/#comment-63493</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems once again that we twist terms to satisfy our purposes. It seems clear - I see no direct contradiction - that Einstein was against a Jewish state and was extremely leery of the whole notion of nation-states and their inherent tendency toward conflict and war.

Is there really more to say on this topic than that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems once again that we twist terms to satisfy our purposes. It seems clear &#8211; I see no direct contradiction &#8211; that Einstein was against a Jewish state and was extremely leery of the whole notion of nation-states and their inherent tendency toward conflict and war.</p>
<p>Is there really more to say on this topic than that?</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rehmat,
So, einstein did not even know that he was not connected to zion, palestine, or hebrews. His  only connection with yehudim had been his seeming adoption of talmud and torah!
As u say, he may have not been for a &#039;jewish&#039; state, but for a state dominated by white &#039;jews&#039;!
Aren&#039;t all &quot;jews&quot; connected to the land theft; euphemisticly called &quot;zionism&quot;? To disconnect from it, all one has to do is call self a pole, russian, english, lett, hungarian, german, et al, but with adherence or connection to talmud and other antihuman  writing. tnx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rehmat,<br />
So, einstein did not even know that he was not connected to zion, palestine, or hebrews. His  only connection with yehudim had been his seeming adoption of talmud and torah!<br />
As u say, he may have not been for a &#8216;jewish&#8217; state, but for a state dominated by white &#8216;jews&#8217;!<br />
Aren&#8217;t all &#8220;jews&#8221; connected to the land theft; euphemisticly called &#8220;zionism&#8221;? To disconnect from it, all one has to do is call self a pole, russian, english, lett, hungarian, german, et al, but with adherence or connection to talmud and other antihuman  writing. tnx</p>
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		<title>By: Rehmat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/01/einstein-on-palestine-and-zionism/#comment-63485</link>
		<dc:creator>Rehmat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 01:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Albert Einstein was a Zionist Jew but not in favour of creating a seperate &#039;Jewisj only&quot; state within Palestine.

“I should much rather see reasonable agreement with the Arabs on the basis of living together in peace than the creation of a Jewish state. Apart from the practical considerations, my awareness of the essential nature of Judaism resists the idea of a Jewish state with borders, an army, and a measure of temporal power no matter how modest. I am afraid of the inner damage of Judaism will sustain – especially from the development of a narrow nationalism within our own ranks, against which we have already had to fight without a Jewish state,” – Albert Einstein in ‘Out of My Later Years’.

Palestine – Silent no more….
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2009/03/14/palestine-silent-no-more/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Albert Einstein was a Zionist Jew but not in favour of creating a seperate &#8216;Jewisj only&#8221; state within Palestine.</p>
<p>“I should much rather see reasonable agreement with the Arabs on the basis of living together in peace than the creation of a Jewish state. Apart from the practical considerations, my awareness of the essential nature of Judaism resists the idea of a Jewish state with borders, an army, and a measure of temporal power no matter how modest. I am afraid of the inner damage of Judaism will sustain – especially from the development of a narrow nationalism within our own ranks, against which we have already had to fight without a Jewish state,” – Albert Einstein in ‘Out of My Later Years’.</p>
<p>Palestine – Silent no more….<br />
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/01/einstein-on-palestine-and-zionism/#comment-63482</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kalidas,
The west did not want break up of yugoslavia; US not until &#039;94 and nato lands s&#039;mwhat later.
Serbs;i.e., yugoslav army,where in slovenia only one week. The invasion of slovenia in &#039;91 had been perped with the goal to persuade west that yugoslav army intended to preserve tito&#039;s yugoslavia and not was not ab to wage any war for greater serbia.
UN, believing that that was the case imposed an arms embargo on yugoslav republics in &#039;91.
However, croats were able to acquire arms; probably from hungary, traditional enemy of serbia, or e.germany. No croat gov&#039;t had to date, as far as i know, disclosed where it bought the arms.

Since there were only few serbs in slovenia, yugoslav army withdrew from there after just a week of some skirmishes. I am not sure whether serbs have fooled so many leftitst or whether their allegience to serbia since even before WW1 blinded them to what had been obvious to us: fascist serbs out to steal land while having vast military superiority!
The Left always believed that only serbs were partisans and/or communists.
Actually, croatia had stronger communist party than any republic even before WW2.
During WW2, of eleven partisan corps on yugoslv soil, 5 were operating in croatia, according to croat historian, stjepan antoljak.
Curioso appears that the head of communist party of croatia, andrija hebrang, a &#039;jew&#039;, had been executed by tito for demanding or working on for independence for croatia.

I shld be noted that the croat fascist puppet gov&#039;t  controled very little of bosnia and croatia. On the other hand, serb fascist puppet gov&#039;t had  controled almost all of the serbia. Its army, called chetninks [troopers] were actually fighting partisans along with germans and ustashe, the croats.
It was very near the end of war that croat domobrans [home guard] and chetniks en masse joined partisans.

So, it is very difficult to believe that ustashe have slain- by serb account, 1,5oo,000 serbs-  and by british acc. 3oo-700.
There was much free territory for serbs and `jews` to go to. Also half of croatia had been occupied by italy until sept `43. And italy had refused to deliver `jews` to germans. 
So, `jews` cld have fled to croatia controled by italy.
Serbia and some croatian serbs were allied to italy. Thus, most serbs cld have fled to serbia and parts of croatia. Or simply joined partisans.

The problem is that the croat story never got to west or to the Left. It seems they only heard one side. tnx
And serbs finally and deservedly lost even kosovo. tnx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kalidas,<br />
The west did not want break up of yugoslavia; US not until &#8217;94 and nato lands s&#8217;mwhat later.<br />
Serbs;i.e., yugoslav army,where in slovenia only one week. The invasion of slovenia in &#8217;91 had been perped with the goal to persuade west that yugoslav army intended to preserve tito&#8217;s yugoslavia and not was not ab to wage any war for greater serbia.<br />
UN, believing that that was the case imposed an arms embargo on yugoslav republics in &#8217;91.<br />
However, croats were able to acquire arms; probably from hungary, traditional enemy of serbia, or e.germany. No croat gov&#8217;t had to date, as far as i know, disclosed where it bought the arms.</p>
<p>Since there were only few serbs in slovenia, yugoslav army withdrew from there after just a week of some skirmishes. I am not sure whether serbs have fooled so many leftitst or whether their allegience to serbia since even before WW1 blinded them to what had been obvious to us: fascist serbs out to steal land while having vast military superiority!<br />
The Left always believed that only serbs were partisans and/or communists.<br />
Actually, croatia had stronger communist party than any republic even before WW2.<br />
During WW2, of eleven partisan corps on yugoslv soil, 5 were operating in croatia, according to croat historian, stjepan antoljak.<br />
Curioso appears that the head of communist party of croatia, andrija hebrang, a &#8216;jew&#8217;, had been executed by tito for demanding or working on for independence for croatia.</p>
<p>I shld be noted that the croat fascist puppet gov&#8217;t  controled very little of bosnia and croatia. On the other hand, serb fascist puppet gov&#8217;t had  controled almost all of the serbia. Its army, called chetninks [troopers] were actually fighting partisans along with germans and ustashe, the croats.<br />
It was very near the end of war that croat domobrans [home guard] and chetniks en masse joined partisans.</p>
<p>So, it is very difficult to believe that ustashe have slain- by serb account, 1,5oo,000 serbs-  and by british acc. 3oo-700.<br />
There was much free territory for serbs and `jews` to go to. Also half of croatia had been occupied by italy until sept `43. And italy had refused to deliver `jews` to germans.<br />
So, `jews` cld have fled to croatia controled by italy.<br />
Serbia and some croatian serbs were allied to italy. Thus, most serbs cld have fled to serbia and parts of croatia. Or simply joined partisans.</p>
<p>The problem is that the croat story never got to west or to the Left. It seems they only heard one side. tnx<br />
And serbs finally and deservedly lost even kosovo. tnx</p>
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		<title>By: kalidas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/01/einstein-on-palestine-and-zionism/#comment-63475</link>
		<dc:creator>kalidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 20:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How about Slovenia?
They seemed to gain independence very quickly and easily.
Was this due to $$$ and connections to the West?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about Slovenia?<br />
They seemed to gain independence very quickly and easily.<br />
Was this due to $$$ and connections to the West?</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/01/einstein-on-palestine-and-zionism/#comment-63468</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In similar vein, Nikola Tesla, who was a serb from croatia, had declared that he is a serb but his country was croatia.
If indeed he said that, he was then not for gathering serbs in one country. That had been serb policy soon after serb liberation from ottoman rule in early 19th century.

It had been croat and slovenian intelligencia which propagated unity of south slavs; so as to avoid possible warfare by serbs to achieve  their goal of annexing parts of croatia, bosnia, and macedonia.

Soon after set up of yugoslavia, croats learnd that serbs were not abandoning their goal.
And indeed, in &#039;91, having been much stronger military, attacked croatia and bosnia in &#039;93.
Initially, ?all leftists and rightists had supported serbs, but by early &#039;94 US changed its mind. Canada, a yr+ later, also turned against serbs.
However, serbs do have a de facto state in bosnia!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In similar vein, Nikola Tesla, who was a serb from croatia, had declared that he is a serb but his country was croatia.<br />
If indeed he said that, he was then not for gathering serbs in one country. That had been serb policy soon after serb liberation from ottoman rule in early 19th century.</p>
<p>It had been croat and slovenian intelligencia which propagated unity of south slavs; so as to avoid possible warfare by serbs to achieve  their goal of annexing parts of croatia, bosnia, and macedonia.</p>
<p>Soon after set up of yugoslavia, croats learnd that serbs were not abandoning their goal.<br />
And indeed, in &#8217;91, having been much stronger military, attacked croatia and bosnia in &#8217;93.<br />
Initially, ?all leftists and rightists had supported serbs, but by early &#8217;94 US changed its mind. Canada, a yr+ later, also turned against serbs.<br />
However, serbs do have a de facto state in bosnia!</p>
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