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		<title>By: Kim Petersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim Petersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 07:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Libby, what do &quot;segment of Jewry&quot; and footnote 9 mean? It means that all of us bear responsibility for crimes of oppression (not equally because some people speak out and resist the oppression). It refutes all the nonsense of your comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Libby, what do &#8220;segment of Jewry&#8221; and footnote 9 mean? It means that all of us bear responsibility for crimes of oppression (not equally because some people speak out and resist the oppression). It refutes all the nonsense of your comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Libby Sojo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Libby Sojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 06:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I think that most of the facts and interpretations in this essay are spot-on, I do disagree with the tendency of the article to indicate that all Jews are united on the pro-Israel front, and from some of the discussion I have been reading, I definitely object to the identification of the Jews as a root cause of evil. There have been many examples of Jews participating in the struggle against oppression and capitalist exploitation. There are also many Jews who are not Zionists or capitalists, myself included. Therefore, as a Jew who supports Palestinian rights and who stands in solidarity with the struggle against the occupation, I strongly urge the use of the terms &quot;Zionist,&quot; &quot;Usurer,&quot; &quot;the capitalist Jewry,&quot; and really anything else that avoids lumping all Jews into one category.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I think that most of the facts and interpretations in this essay are spot-on, I do disagree with the tendency of the article to indicate that all Jews are united on the pro-Israel front, and from some of the discussion I have been reading, I definitely object to the identification of the Jews as a root cause of evil. There have been many examples of Jews participating in the struggle against oppression and capitalist exploitation. There are also many Jews who are not Zionists or capitalists, myself included. Therefore, as a Jew who supports Palestinian rights and who stands in solidarity with the struggle against the occupation, I strongly urge the use of the terms &#8220;Zionist,&#8221; &#8220;Usurer,&#8221; &#8220;the capitalist Jewry,&#8221; and really anything else that avoids lumping all Jews into one category.</p>
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		<title>By: Shabnam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shabnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 02:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Israel is very influenctial in  US foreign policy of the Middle East, Central Asia and North Africa.  Only the closet Zionists deny this established fact.  
The invasion of Iraq was carried out to protect the interest of t Israel.  Iraq war was not the interest of American people which let to partition of Iraq to create non Arab pawn, Kurds, which was part of Israel strategy since 1950&#039;s to  create  ally against Arab enemy  in the region.  Americans never had s a plan to partition Iraq in the past.  It was purely a JEWISH DESIGN, Dennis Gelb, and  was passed by a self designated Zionist, Joe Biden in the senate.

Philip Zelikow, Bush advisor from 2001 to 2003 said that:
 Iraq War Launched to Protect Israel:
  
[The prime motive for the invasion just over one year ago was to eliminate a threat to Israel, a staunch U.S. ally in the Middle East.
The statements are the first to surface from a source closely linked to the Bush administration acknowledging that the war, which has so far cost the lives of nearly 600 U.S. troops and thousands of Iraqis, was motivated by Washington&#039;s desire to defend the Jewish state.] 

Thus, when a close advisor of Bush who was in the meetings behind  close door at the time of decision making and tells us  that invasion took place to protect Israel, then NO ONE  is in the position to tell us Israel is not in the driving seat and simply is a client state. It is BS. 
  
On the contrary, Israel is very influential, therefore, we must be united to bring this racist and destructive force down.    Only the closet Zionists are trying to deceive the public by denying  that the influence of  Jewish lobby  on US foreign policy does not exist.  These Zionist enablers must be fully exposed and be discarded from the political scene.  
Now, they are preparing us for another zionist war against IRAN.  What are you going to do about it?  This is the issue that everyone MUST THINK ABOUT IT.  We are tired of talking and talking and no action.    We have to prevent another disaster like Iraq for the interest of an apartied entity.  It is not enough to talk about Palestine alone when we are talking about the crime of Zionism.   Zionism is also RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF IRAQ with more than 1.5 million deaths, Sudan, Somalia, Afghanistan and Pakistan.  Zionism also is responsible for ‘green revolution’ and  creation of phony ‘leaders’  the professional whores , mousavi  and his wife, by labeling the Iranian election  ‘fraud’  where was supported and repeated by Zionist enablers such as Noam Chomsky.   Israel through her 5th column entities likes AIPAC and J Street  and many think tanks like SABAN forms  public opinion against her enemy.  The negative view of Iran in the US is directly related to zionist propaganda media and its enablers.

The pro-Israeli think tank, the Saban Center at the Brookings Institute, released a publication in June 2009 penned by neocons Martin Indyk, Kenneth Pollack, et al, titled: &quot;Which Path to Persia? Options for a New American Strategy towards Iran&quot;.  Chapter 6 appears to be a strong indication of their motivation.

“The United States could play multiple roles in facilitating a revolution. By funding and helping organize domestic rivals of the regime, the United States could create an alternative leadership to seize power.  As Raymond Tanter of the Iran Policy Committee argues students and other groups “need covert backing for their demonstrations. They need fax machines. They need Internet access, funds to duplicate materials, and funds to keep vigilantes from beating them up.” Beyond this, U.S.-backed media outlets could highlight regime shortcomings and make otherwise obscure critics more prominent.  The United States already supports Persian language satellite television (Voice of America Persian) and radio (Radio Farda) that bring unfiltered news to Iranians (in recent years, these have taken the lion’s share of overt U.S. funding for promoting democracy in Iran). U.S. economic pressure (and perhaps military pressure as well) can discredit the regime, making the population hungry for a rival leadership......”

Do you still have doubts that Iranian  protest after the election was influenced  and directed by the Zionists and their Iranian puppets?

 Jewish aristocracy, Rothschild family through deceptions became the richest family over night after the Napoleon War where France was defeated against England.   Today, Rothschild family and their extension including Soros, Buffet, and Rockefeller run the world economy.  To bring these enemies down, we have to eliminate the source of their strength and that is privatization of World resources where lead to concentration of wealth in the hands of few where majority of them are ‘Jews’.  The source of their strength should be targeted because it is based on looting other nation’s resources through their control over states with WMD.  They controlled British Empire and now they control American ‘Empire.’
Nathan Rothschild in 1815 said:

[I care not what puppet is placed upon the throne of England to rule the Empire on which the sun never sets. The man who controls Britain’s money supply controls the British Empire, and I control the British money supply.]

Formation of modern capitalism is attributed to Jews.   People should read “The Jews and Modern Capitalism” by Werner Sombart which is an interesting book.  It  is available on line.   

http://www.efm.bris.ac.uk/het/sombart/jews.pdf

&quot;Sombart&#039;s book,  The Jews and Modern Capitalism was a response to Max Weber, and most of his argument was entirely if imperfectly Weberian. Capitalism is inconceivable without the Protestant ethic; Judaism is much more Protestant (older, tougher, and purer) than Protestantism; Judaism is the progenitor of Capitalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israel is very influenctial in  US foreign policy of the Middle East, Central Asia and North Africa.  Only the closet Zionists deny this established fact.<br />
The invasion of Iraq was carried out to protect the interest of t Israel.  Iraq war was not the interest of American people which let to partition of Iraq to create non Arab pawn, Kurds, which was part of Israel strategy since 1950&#8242;s to  create  ally against Arab enemy  in the region.  Americans never had s a plan to partition Iraq in the past.  It was purely a JEWISH DESIGN, Dennis Gelb, and  was passed by a self designated Zionist, Joe Biden in the senate.</p>
<p>Philip Zelikow, Bush advisor from 2001 to 2003 said that:<br />
 Iraq War Launched to Protect Israel:</p>
<p>[The prime motive for the invasion just over one year ago was to eliminate a threat to Israel, a staunch U.S. ally in the Middle East.<br />
The statements are the first to surface from a source closely linked to the Bush administration acknowledging that the war, which has so far cost the lives of nearly 600 U.S. troops and thousands of Iraqis, was motivated by Washington's desire to defend the Jewish state.] </p>
<p>Thus, when a close advisor of Bush who was in the meetings behind  close door at the time of decision making and tells us  that invasion took place to protect Israel, then NO ONE  is in the position to tell us Israel is not in the driving seat and simply is a client state. It is BS. </p>
<p>On the contrary, Israel is very influential, therefore, we must be united to bring this racist and destructive force down.    Only the closet Zionists are trying to deceive the public by denying  that the influence of  Jewish lobby  on US foreign policy does not exist.  These Zionist enablers must be fully exposed and be discarded from the political scene.<br />
Now, they are preparing us for another zionist war against IRAN.  What are you going to do about it?  This is the issue that everyone MUST THINK ABOUT IT.  We are tired of talking and talking and no action.    We have to prevent another disaster like Iraq for the interest of an apartied entity.  It is not enough to talk about Palestine alone when we are talking about the crime of Zionism.   Zionism is also RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF IRAQ with more than 1.5 million deaths, Sudan, Somalia, Afghanistan and Pakistan.  Zionism also is responsible for ‘green revolution’ and  creation of phony ‘leaders’  the professional whores , mousavi  and his wife, by labeling the Iranian election  ‘fraud’  where was supported and repeated by Zionist enablers such as Noam Chomsky.   Israel through her 5th column entities likes AIPAC and J Street  and many think tanks like SABAN forms  public opinion against her enemy.  The negative view of Iran in the US is directly related to zionist propaganda media and its enablers.</p>
<p>The pro-Israeli think tank, the Saban Center at the Brookings Institute, released a publication in June 2009 penned by neocons Martin Indyk, Kenneth Pollack, et al, titled: &#8220;Which Path to Persia? Options for a New American Strategy towards Iran&#8221;.  Chapter 6 appears to be a strong indication of their motivation.</p>
<p>“The United States could play multiple roles in facilitating a revolution. By funding and helping organize domestic rivals of the regime, the United States could create an alternative leadership to seize power.  As Raymond Tanter of the Iran Policy Committee argues students and other groups “need covert backing for their demonstrations. They need fax machines. They need Internet access, funds to duplicate materials, and funds to keep vigilantes from beating them up.” Beyond this, U.S.-backed media outlets could highlight regime shortcomings and make otherwise obscure critics more prominent.  The United States already supports Persian language satellite television (Voice of America Persian) and radio (Radio Farda) that bring unfiltered news to Iranians (in recent years, these have taken the lion’s share of overt U.S. funding for promoting democracy in Iran). U.S. economic pressure (and perhaps military pressure as well) can discredit the regime, making the population hungry for a rival leadership&#8230;&#8230;”</p>
<p>Do you still have doubts that Iranian  protest after the election was influenced  and directed by the Zionists and their Iranian puppets?</p>
<p> Jewish aristocracy, Rothschild family through deceptions became the richest family over night after the Napoleon War where France was defeated against England.   Today, Rothschild family and their extension including Soros, Buffet, and Rockefeller run the world economy.  To bring these enemies down, we have to eliminate the source of their strength and that is privatization of World resources where lead to concentration of wealth in the hands of few where majority of them are ‘Jews’.  The source of their strength should be targeted because it is based on looting other nation’s resources through their control over states with WMD.  They controlled British Empire and now they control American ‘Empire.’<br />
Nathan Rothschild in 1815 said:</p>
<p>[I care not what puppet is placed upon the throne of England to rule the Empire on which the sun never sets. The man who controls Britain’s money supply controls the British Empire, and I control the British money supply.]</p>
<p>Formation of modern capitalism is attributed to Jews.   People should read “The Jews and Modern Capitalism” by Werner Sombart which is an interesting book.  It  is available on line.   </p>
<p><a href="http://www.efm.bris.ac.uk/het/sombart/jews.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.efm.bris.ac.uk/het/sombart/jews.pdf</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Sombart&#8217;s book,  The Jews and Modern Capitalism was a response to Max Weber, and most of his argument was entirely if imperfectly Weberian. Capitalism is inconceivable without the Protestant ethic; Judaism is much more Protestant (older, tougher, and purer) than Protestantism; Judaism is the progenitor of Capitalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/12/who-decides-in-the-united-states-government/#comment-61964</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 02:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The three religions that claim Israel as the holy land are Judaism, Christianity, Islam and there are three words that just might be what is happening. Self fulfilling prophecy.

The definition of a self fulfilling prophecy is that negative beliefs predict negative behavior but, surprisingly, NOT that positive beliefs predict positive events. This flies in the face of the law of attraction. The original definition of a self fulfilling prophecy from Robert Merton is &quot;a false definition of situation evoking a new behavior which makes the original false conception come true.&quot;

What you believe will come true because you will subconsciously and consciously act in ways that cause the event to happen. Self fulfilling prophecies are powerful.  suite 101

The positive self-fulfilling prophecy allows one to shift interpretation of events and soon would be good. 

Yes we can right back at ya. 

What you believe will come true because you will subconsciously and consciously act in ways that cause the event to happen. In today&#039;s World just what is happening we see the negative and blame from all sides and just maybe the truth is to win or not to win is a very stupid question. Calm at peace the truth the knowledge yes we can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The three religions that claim Israel as the holy land are Judaism, Christianity, Islam and there are three words that just might be what is happening. Self fulfilling prophecy.</p>
<p>The definition of a self fulfilling prophecy is that negative beliefs predict negative behavior but, surprisingly, NOT that positive beliefs predict positive events. This flies in the face of the law of attraction. The original definition of a self fulfilling prophecy from Robert Merton is &#8220;a false definition of situation evoking a new behavior which makes the original false conception come true.&#8221;</p>
<p>What you believe will come true because you will subconsciously and consciously act in ways that cause the event to happen. Self fulfilling prophecies are powerful.  suite 101</p>
<p>The positive self-fulfilling prophecy allows one to shift interpretation of events and soon would be good. </p>
<p>Yes we can right back at ya. </p>
<p>What you believe will come true because you will subconsciously and consciously act in ways that cause the event to happen. In today&#8217;s World just what is happening we see the negative and blame from all sides and just maybe the truth is to win or not to win is a very stupid question. Calm at peace the truth the knowledge yes we can.</p>
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		<title>By: dan e</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 01:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today on KZYX radio Jeffrey Blankfort discusses his groundbreaking analysis of a Pew Research poll of Council on Foreign Relations members, which finds them less supportive of current US-Israel relations than the general public.  Later in the program Blankfort and Grant Smith discuss findings from the new IRmep book &quot;Spy Trade: How Israel&#039;s Lobby Undermines America&#039;s Economy&quot; and the current AIPAC drive for economic sanctions and military strikes on Iran.

Analysis: &quot;What the US Elite Really Thinks About Israel&quot;:  http://www.counterpunch.org/blankfort12072009.html

Audio download: &quot;Takes on the World&quot; (55 minutes, 10 MB):  http://www.IRmep.org/mp3/12092009tow.mp3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today on KZYX radio Jeffrey Blankfort discusses his groundbreaking analysis of a Pew Research poll of Council on Foreign Relations members, which finds them less supportive of current US-Israel relations than the general public.  Later in the program Blankfort and Grant Smith discuss findings from the new IRmep book &#8220;Spy Trade: How Israel&#8217;s Lobby Undermines America&#8217;s Economy&#8221; and the current AIPAC drive for economic sanctions and military strikes on Iran.</p>
<p>Analysis: &#8220;What the US Elite Really Thinks About Israel&#8221;:  <a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/blankfort12072009.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.counterpunch.org/blankfort12072009.html</a></p>
<p>Audio download: &#8220;Takes on the World&#8221; (55 minutes, 10 MB):  <a href="http://www.IRmep.org/mp3/12092009tow.mp3" rel="nofollow">http://www.IRmep.org/mp3/12092009tow.mp3</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kim Petersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim Petersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 01:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, I closed the paragraph under discussion with an answer to a question: “I submit that when influence supports the oppression of any group of humans, then that influence must be ended.” I stand by this statement. Since you take exception to this statement, presumably you think it is fine for a group to use its influence to oppress another group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, I closed the paragraph under discussion with an answer to a question: “I submit that when influence supports the oppression of any group of humans, then that influence must be ended.” I stand by this statement. Since you take exception to this statement, presumably you think it is fine for a group to use its influence to oppress another group.</p>
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		<title>By: Rehmat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rehmat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 01:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Professor Chomsky, being the son of a committed Zionist Jew family - has never criticized the Zionist entity for its crimes. He alway blame America for whatsoever goes wrong in the Middle East. However, the fact is it&#039;s Israel which wages American tail and not the other way around. Do you remember any US presidential hopeful not paying respect to AIPAC or not visiting Israel before the elections? Obama, who is still blamed by some pro-Israel goons as a &quot;hidden Muslim&quot; - paid visit to Synagogues in almost evey major city plus attended a couple of AIPAC functions and made Hajj to Israel.

YES - Jewish Lobby is very powerful not only in the US, but also in Canada, France and Germany. Israel&#039;s ambassador in Ottawa not long ago boasted that Canada is &quot;the best best of Israel&quot;.

Obama is the most powerless world leader - so much so, that Israeli daily Ha&#039;aretz mentioned the other day that Obama&#039;s all nominees had to receive blessings from the Jewish groups.

Obama could be the &quot;promised Messiah&quot; Zionists have been waiting for.

http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2009/11/19/obama-the-promised-messiah/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professor Chomsky, being the son of a committed Zionist Jew family &#8211; has never criticized the Zionist entity for its crimes. He alway blame America for whatsoever goes wrong in the Middle East. However, the fact is it&#8217;s Israel which wages American tail and not the other way around. Do you remember any US presidential hopeful not paying respect to AIPAC or not visiting Israel before the elections? Obama, who is still blamed by some pro-Israel goons as a &#8220;hidden Muslim&#8221; &#8211; paid visit to Synagogues in almost evey major city plus attended a couple of AIPAC functions and made Hajj to Israel.</p>
<p>YES &#8211; Jewish Lobby is very powerful not only in the US, but also in Canada, France and Germany. Israel&#8217;s ambassador in Ottawa not long ago boasted that Canada is &#8220;the best best of Israel&#8221;.</p>
<p>Obama is the most powerless world leader &#8211; so much so, that Israeli daily Ha&#8217;aretz mentioned the other day that Obama&#8217;s all nominees had to receive blessings from the Jewish groups.</p>
<p>Obama could be the &#8220;promised Messiah&#8221; Zionists have been waiting for.</p>
<p><a href="http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2009/11/19/obama-the-promised-messiah/" rel="nofollow">http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2009/11/19/obama-the-promised-messiah/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeffersonian-Maoist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffersonian-Maoist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>deadbeat: Indeed, both, USA needs an anti-Israel, anti-capitalism political front !!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>deadbeat: Indeed, both, USA needs an anti-Israel, anti-capitalism political front !!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffersonian-Maoist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffersonian-Maoist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim Petersen and friends:  I believe that the main enemy of US middle and lower classes (Not upper-classes) is Israel and Capitalism. I speak on a class-world view when debating about economics and politics, because i believe that the upper-classes in all countries have their economical problems solved and they don&#039;t have to worry about bread on the table, about schools, bills, fees and basic needs.  The ones who are struggling to survive in this world are the middle and lower class.  So the only solution for USA is a United Anti-Israel, Socialist Front.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim Petersen and friends:  I believe that the main enemy of US middle and lower classes (Not upper-classes) is Israel and Capitalism. I speak on a class-world view when debating about economics and politics, because i believe that the upper-classes in all countries have their economical problems solved and they don&#8217;t have to worry about bread on the table, about schools, bills, fees and basic needs.  The ones who are struggling to survive in this world are the middle and lower class.  So the only solution for USA is a United Anti-Israel, Socialist Front.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Both of those interpretations predict that the US will side with Israel. The issue is whether our problem is corporate capitalism or merely Zionism.&lt;/i&gt;

Why the false dichotomy? Why not both?  MLK identified three pillars -- Racism, Capitalism &amp; Militarism.  Zionism has a profound influence on U.S. foreign policy that is maintained by Capitalism and Militarism.  The issue is not &quot;either-or&quot; but that ALL three must be dealt with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Both of those interpretations predict that the US will side with Israel. The issue is whether our problem is corporate capitalism or merely Zionism.</i></p>
<p>Why the false dichotomy? Why not both?  MLK identified three pillars &#8212; Racism, Capitalism &amp; Militarism.  Zionism has a profound influence on U.S. foreign policy that is maintained by Capitalism and Militarism.  The issue is not &#8220;either-or&#8221; but that ALL three must be dealt with.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It’s no longer a question of Left v Right. It’s now a question of Up v Down.&lt;/i&gt;

The question of ideology is extremely important.  It is not either-or.  Left/Right is just as important as Up/Down.  For the Right they fail to analyze the contradiction inherent in their support of Capitalism.  For the &quot;Left&quot; as alluded to in this thread there seem to be a denial in their ranks about confronting Zionism and a real agenda to diffuse the issue then results in a lack of trust and confusion which essentially maintains the status quo.

It is time to be more comprehensive and more inquistive in thinking and approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It’s no longer a question of Left v Right. It’s now a question of Up v Down.</i></p>
<p>The question of ideology is extremely important.  It is not either-or.  Left/Right is just as important as Up/Down.  For the Right they fail to analyze the contradiction inherent in their support of Capitalism.  For the &#8220;Left&#8221; as alluded to in this thread there seem to be a denial in their ranks about confronting Zionism and a real agenda to diffuse the issue then results in a lack of trust and confusion which essentially maintains the status quo.</p>
<p>It is time to be more comprehensive and more inquistive in thinking and approach.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Dawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ismail, the terrible behavior of the United States in the Security Council has nothing whatsoever to do with the point being debated, which is whether the U.S. adopts its policy toward Israel/Palestine as a matter of advancing the interests of our domestic overclass, or because the evil Zionists are brainwashing us.

Both of those interpretations predict that the US will side with Israel.  The issue is whether our problem is corporate capitalism or merely Zionism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ismail, the terrible behavior of the United States in the Security Council has nothing whatsoever to do with the point being debated, which is whether the U.S. adopts its policy toward Israel/Palestine as a matter of advancing the interests of our domestic overclass, or because the evil Zionists are brainwashing us.</p>
<p>Both of those interpretations predict that the US will side with Israel.  The issue is whether our problem is corporate capitalism or merely Zionism.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Dawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim, you closed your paragraph talking about domination of a sector by one group.  What did you mean by that?  Other than the possibility that you made a msitake, the only possible meaning of that sentence is that you think Jews dominate one or more of the social sectors you name.

My reading comprehension is fine.  Either your writing is very poor, or you are saying Jews run something in America other than their own groups.  Which is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim, you closed your paragraph talking about domination of a sector by one group.  What did you mean by that?  Other than the possibility that you made a msitake, the only possible meaning of that sentence is that you think Jews dominate one or more of the social sectors you name.</p>
<p>My reading comprehension is fine.  Either your writing is very poor, or you are saying Jews run something in America other than their own groups.  Which is it?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard W. Symonds</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/12/who-decides-in-the-united-states-government/#comment-61949</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard W. Symonds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re : Comment 1 : The Capitalist System : &quot;It runs on the institutional logic of profit-maximizing. Ideology is secondary&quot;.

If  &quot;idealogy is secondary&quot;, then talking about &quot;Left&quot;, &quot;Right&quot;, &quot;Progressives&quot; etc is also secondary - misleading, and deflects from the real issues (Comment 4).

Personally, I believe we need to grow out of using &quot;Left v Right&quot; idealogy - they are obsolete 20th century idealogies, of little to no use to us now in the 21st. The powerful are only too happy to keep us distracted with these useless idealogies.

It&#039;s no longer a question of Left v Right. It&#039;s now a question of Up v Down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re : Comment 1 : The Capitalist System : &#8220;It runs on the institutional logic of profit-maximizing. Ideology is secondary&#8221;.</p>
<p>If  &#8220;idealogy is secondary&#8221;, then talking about &#8220;Left&#8221;, &#8220;Right&#8221;, &#8220;Progressives&#8221; etc is also secondary &#8211; misleading, and deflects from the real issues (Comment 4).</p>
<p>Personally, I believe we need to grow out of using &#8220;Left v Right&#8221; idealogy &#8211; they are obsolete 20th century idealogies, of little to no use to us now in the 21st. The powerful are only too happy to keep us distracted with these useless idealogies.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s no longer a question of Left v Right. It&#8217;s now a question of Up v Down.</p>
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		<title>By: Tires</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/12/who-decides-in-the-united-states-government/#comment-61943</link>
		<dc:creator>Tires</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Kim, I fully agree with the article.. The power in Washington is getting worse and not better in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Kim, I fully agree with the article.. The power in Washington is getting worse and not better in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: kalidas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/12/who-decides-in-the-united-states-government/#comment-61937</link>
		<dc:creator>kalidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the US power elite and its government, which can still choose which lobbies to listen to, and which to ignore.&quot;

Ha! Ha! Ha!

That&#039;s a joke, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the US power elite and its government, which can still choose which lobbies to listen to, and which to ignore.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ha! Ha! Ha!</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a joke, right?</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/12/who-decides-in-the-united-states-government/#comment-61936</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wld a simplicity that cannot be made any simpler elucidate also how much [ask also why-when]  &#039;jews&#039; influence US foreign policy.
This policy, generalizing now, being acquisitional for two cent&#039;s? And is still today, but final &#039;solution&#039; obviously extant but not known by at least 90% of americans. Or the end goal being known only to nato-us and some other warlords? Or no one? Don&#039;t ask me, either!!

Here is the tacitly-promised simplicity: US governance runs on money and by farts with money; via giving money [?bribes] to other farts.
In short, it is a constitutional command to use money in pursuit of happiness and not just an ok!
Of course &quot;happiness&quot;  being objectified, but not defined by any of its traits. Son of gun, ur fathers may have known this. But u don&#039;t or feign that u don&#039;t.
I any case, eat ur hearts out all u hobos, housepeople, plumbers!    
I&#039;m OK! One meal a day. One pants and a young wife of 79 is heavenly. Mind u, hell&#039;s been around so long it has by now cooled dwn sufficiently to suit everybody.
Ur fathers of declaration and of other nonsense knew also this. Btw, this educationis free! My devil told me all this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wld a simplicity that cannot be made any simpler elucidate also how much [ask also why-when]  &#8216;jews&#8217; influence US foreign policy.<br />
This policy, generalizing now, being acquisitional for two cent&#8217;s? And is still today, but final &#8216;solution&#8217; obviously extant but not known by at least 90% of americans. Or the end goal being known only to nato-us and some other warlords? Or no one? Don&#8217;t ask me, either!!</p>
<p>Here is the tacitly-promised simplicity: US governance runs on money and by farts with money; via giving money [?bribes] to other farts.<br />
In short, it is a constitutional command to use money in pursuit of happiness and not just an ok!<br />
Of course &#8220;happiness&#8221;  being objectified, but not defined by any of its traits. Son of gun, ur fathers may have known this. But u don&#8217;t or feign that u don&#8217;t.<br />
I any case, eat ur hearts out all u hobos, housepeople, plumbers!<br />
I&#8217;m OK! One meal a day. One pants and a young wife of 79 is heavenly. Mind u, hell&#8217;s been around so long it has by now cooled dwn sufficiently to suit everybody.<br />
Ur fathers of declaration and of other nonsense knew also this. Btw, this educationis free! My devil told me all this!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I find interesting is that since Obama&#039;s election, there has been a determined effort to deny the existence of the Israel Lobby or, at very least, to claim that it has no real influence. In other words, there has been an attempt to assimilate the Lobby to the neocons and deny that liberal organisations like J Street or politicians like Rahm Emmanuel are part of the Lobby. The amusing part is that this is beinge done via the Lobby&#039;s usual propaganda technique: bald, unsupported assertions, propounded by apparently unrelated sources, including false flaggers, and repeated over and over again as if they were axiomatic, regardless of how many times people refute them. In EU gender discrimination law, for example, the mere fact that women are under-represented in a profession raises a presumption of discrimination against them which the employer has to rebut with evidence to the contrary. Shouldn&#039;t a similar presumption apply here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I find interesting is that since Obama&#8217;s election, there has been a determined effort to deny the existence of the Israel Lobby or, at very least, to claim that it has no real influence. In other words, there has been an attempt to assimilate the Lobby to the neocons and deny that liberal organisations like J Street or politicians like Rahm Emmanuel are part of the Lobby. The amusing part is that this is beinge done via the Lobby&#8217;s usual propaganda technique: bald, unsupported assertions, propounded by apparently unrelated sources, including false flaggers, and repeated over and over again as if they were axiomatic, regardless of how many times people refute them. In EU gender discrimination law, for example, the mere fact that women are under-represented in a profession raises a presumption of discrimination against them which the employer has to rebut with evidence to the contrary. Shouldn&#8217;t a similar presumption apply here?</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/12/who-decides-in-the-united-states-government/#comment-61932</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Kim for writing this very timely and important article.  During my participation with the anti-war movement in 2003, I too believe in the &quot;War for Oil&quot; explanation of the invasion of Iraq.  However what was stunning to me what what I thought was the &quot;Left&quot; and the principle of the Left was thrown asunder as the many in the movement started to raise the issue of the Israeli/Palestinian &quot;conflict&quot;.  Even that phrasing was too much for others in the movement causing a major break.

This break in the anti-war movement  led me to take a deeper examination of the issue of Zionism and to ask questions why the Left was not only in many cases ignoring the problem but deliberately MISLEADING followers and deliberately DEFLECTING the issue.  

It is obvious that neo-Conservativism which dominated the Bush Administration is founded and grounded in the three pillars identified by MLK in his &quot;Beyond VietNam&quot; speech -- Racism, Militarism, and Capitalism.  Zionism (racism) is at the heart the neo-con philosophy.  

Therefore for the Left to not even explore and to downright disregard the influence Zionism on U.S. Foreign Policy raises questions as to the veracity of the Left and the agenda of the Left.  

Trust and TRUTH are the primary basis for the Left to rally people and to encourage people to make the sacrifices necessary to resist and to transform the system from Capitalism to Socialism.  When that trust is lost then the status quo remain.  People will NOT be able to solve major problems such as exploitation, racism, conflicts and environmental degradation without TRUST.  That is all the Left really has and the failure to confront Zionism has created DISTRUST and thus why the anti-war movement (and many other movements) in the U.S. is so weak to being nearly irrelevant.  

Without any real opposition the government serves the interest of the rich as it bails out bankers and Capitalist while inequality has exacerbated.  

Confronting Zionism is the civil right issue of the 21st Century as the Left takes on the challenges of Capitalism and Militarism.  MLK identified these pillars 41 years ago and it has gotten worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Kim for writing this very timely and important article.  During my participation with the anti-war movement in 2003, I too believe in the &#8220;War for Oil&#8221; explanation of the invasion of Iraq.  However what was stunning to me what what I thought was the &#8220;Left&#8221; and the principle of the Left was thrown asunder as the many in the movement started to raise the issue of the Israeli/Palestinian &#8220;conflict&#8221;.  Even that phrasing was too much for others in the movement causing a major break.</p>
<p>This break in the anti-war movement  led me to take a deeper examination of the issue of Zionism and to ask questions why the Left was not only in many cases ignoring the problem but deliberately MISLEADING followers and deliberately DEFLECTING the issue.  </p>
<p>It is obvious that neo-Conservativism which dominated the Bush Administration is founded and grounded in the three pillars identified by MLK in his &#8220;Beyond VietNam&#8221; speech &#8212; Racism, Militarism, and Capitalism.  Zionism (racism) is at the heart the neo-con philosophy.  </p>
<p>Therefore for the Left to not even explore and to downright disregard the influence Zionism on U.S. Foreign Policy raises questions as to the veracity of the Left and the agenda of the Left.  </p>
<p>Trust and TRUTH are the primary basis for the Left to rally people and to encourage people to make the sacrifices necessary to resist and to transform the system from Capitalism to Socialism.  When that trust is lost then the status quo remain.  People will NOT be able to solve major problems such as exploitation, racism, conflicts and environmental degradation without TRUST.  That is all the Left really has and the failure to confront Zionism has created DISTRUST and thus why the anti-war movement (and many other movements) in the U.S. is so weak to being nearly irrelevant.  </p>
<p>Without any real opposition the government serves the interest of the rich as it bails out bankers and Capitalist while inequality has exacerbated.  </p>
<p>Confronting Zionism is the civil right issue of the 21st Century as the Left takes on the challenges of Capitalism and Militarism.  MLK identified these pillars 41 years ago and it has gotten worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Ismail Zayid</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/12/who-decides-in-the-united-states-government/#comment-61928</link>
		<dc:creator>Ismail Zayid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim Petersen&#039;s analysis, of the role the Zionist lobby plays in the US foreign policy in the Middle East, is accurate and timely. The voting record of the US in the Security Council applying its veto on scores of resolutions, voicimg opposition to Israeli aggrssion and expansionist policies as well as its brutal practices against the Palestinian people in the illegally occupied Palestinian territories, in clear violation of international law and the Fourth Geneva Convention, is evident to all who care to look at it in a fair and balanced manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim Petersen&#8217;s analysis, of the role the Zionist lobby plays in the US foreign policy in the Middle East, is accurate and timely. The voting record of the US in the Security Council applying its veto on scores of resolutions, voicimg opposition to Israeli aggrssion and expansionist policies as well as its brutal practices against the Palestinian people in the illegally occupied Palestinian territories, in clear violation of international law and the Fourth Geneva Convention, is evident to all who care to look at it in a fair and balanced manner.</p>
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