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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Robert Perry who uncovered the Iran-Contra scandal is in agreement with the author.  You can read his article &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article24195.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Is Joe Lieberman Protecting Israel?&lt;/a&gt; on Information Clearing House.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Perry who uncovered the Iran-Contra scandal is in agreement with the author.  You can read his article <a href="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article24195.htm" rel="nofollow"> Is Joe Lieberman Protecting Israel?</a> on Information Clearing House.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Gillespie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Gillespie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Several commenters have offered interesting arguments.  

It was not my intention to suggest that the White House and establishment Democrats in the Congress have fought as hard as they might have and should have for substantive health care insurance refrom.  In the second paragraph of the piece I pointed to &quot;the public option that is seen as essential to reform by many Democrats.&quot;  Obviously, and very unfortunately, there are far too few of those Democrats in the Congress and the White House!  While I might have made my thinking in that regard clearer, I reject the charge that my article about Joe Lieberman, his ties to the insurance industry and the defense industry, and his committment to Israel right or wrong, along with his key role in preventing any meaningful investigation of  rampant government corruption by SCHSGA , gives the Democratic Party establishment a pass on  health care insurance reform or &quot;perpetuates the lies of Obama and 99% of the Congress.&quot; 

It is the deplorable lack of accountability for corruption, fraud, and malfeasance, a direct result of nonexistent oversight and investigation by the SCHSGA, that perpetuates business as usual in Washington, which is a cesspool of special interest money and influence.  Much of the money that corrupts Washington politicians is readily available precisely because lucrative crimes and excesses go unstudied, uninvestigated, and are not prosecuted.  When there is no accountability, corruption in government flourishes.  I might have addressed Obama&#039;s and the Democratic Party establishment&#039;s failures more directly, but those are not the focus of the article.  Joe Lieberman, his ties to powerful special interests and his ardent support for a foreign country, at enormous cost to America and Americans, and his role in the Senate as the chief obstruction to accountability in government operations, is. 

Lieberman&#039;s political manuevering on health care insurance reform is an important part, but only a part, of a larger picture.  It is well worth recalling that the Senate Democratic leaders had an opportunity, and many Democrats saw it as a responsibility, to strip Lieberman of his chairmanship of SCHSGA after he left the party, ran successfully as an Independent, and actively campaigned for the Republican candidate in the general election. They declined to do so. Why?

The inability of Official Washington to function effectively, honestly, and more or less transparently in behalf of the best interests of the American people and the common good, a direct result of partisan politics and the corruption of government by powerful and influential special interests, may well bring about a catastrophic economic collapse in this country.  The Senator from Aetna, Israel, and War, Inc., plays both sides of the fence politically while blocking any semblance of accountability for corruption.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several commenters have offered interesting arguments.  </p>
<p>It was not my intention to suggest that the White House and establishment Democrats in the Congress have fought as hard as they might have and should have for substantive health care insurance refrom.  In the second paragraph of the piece I pointed to &#8220;the public option that is seen as essential to reform by many Democrats.&#8221;  Obviously, and very unfortunately, there are far too few of those Democrats in the Congress and the White House!  While I might have made my thinking in that regard clearer, I reject the charge that my article about Joe Lieberman, his ties to the insurance industry and the defense industry, and his committment to Israel right or wrong, along with his key role in preventing any meaningful investigation of  rampant government corruption by SCHSGA , gives the Democratic Party establishment a pass on  health care insurance reform or &#8220;perpetuates the lies of Obama and 99% of the Congress.&#8221; </p>
<p>It is the deplorable lack of accountability for corruption, fraud, and malfeasance, a direct result of nonexistent oversight and investigation by the SCHSGA, that perpetuates business as usual in Washington, which is a cesspool of special interest money and influence.  Much of the money that corrupts Washington politicians is readily available precisely because lucrative crimes and excesses go unstudied, uninvestigated, and are not prosecuted.  When there is no accountability, corruption in government flourishes.  I might have addressed Obama&#8217;s and the Democratic Party establishment&#8217;s failures more directly, but those are not the focus of the article.  Joe Lieberman, his ties to powerful special interests and his ardent support for a foreign country, at enormous cost to America and Americans, and his role in the Senate as the chief obstruction to accountability in government operations, is. </p>
<p>Lieberman&#8217;s political manuevering on health care insurance reform is an important part, but only a part, of a larger picture.  It is well worth recalling that the Senate Democratic leaders had an opportunity, and many Democrats saw it as a responsibility, to strip Lieberman of his chairmanship of SCHSGA after he left the party, ran successfully as an Independent, and actively campaigned for the Republican candidate in the general election. They declined to do so. Why?</p>
<p>The inability of Official Washington to function effectively, honestly, and more or less transparently in behalf of the best interests of the American people and the common good, a direct result of partisan politics and the corruption of government by powerful and influential special interests, may well bring about a catastrophic economic collapse in this country.  The Senator from Aetna, Israel, and War, Inc., plays both sides of the fence politically while blocking any semblance of accountability for corruption.</p>
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		<title>By: beverly</title>
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		<dc:creator>beverly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s hope that Lieberman and the Republicans DO derail Obama&#039;s health care &quot;deform&quot; plan.  The plan is nothing but a money giveaway bonanza for insurance and drug companies.    The plan doesn&#039;t kick in until after 2012 (conveniently AFTER the election) and still will leave millions underinsured via cheap plans with high deductibles and scant coverage as well as millions uninsured.  The proposed public option (if it even makes the final cut) is the mother of all scams and will contain enough roadblocks to insure only a scant few people will qualify for it.  Medicare and Medicaid - two plans that work -  will be gutted to divert funds to private insurers.  

Let&#039;s not forget how pro-lifers are stealthly gutting abortion access as their Congressfolk work language into the bill denying access to abortions - even if the woman pays for it with her own money.    Most damning is how Congress (including all those pro-choice females who women&#039;s mags always award with honors - despite their imperialist, warmongering, and related evil doings) and your President have agreed to this language.    What&#039;s next?  Denying coverage for contraceptives too?    Oh joy.  More unplanned pregnancies that turn into more people who need insurance.  Oh well.  At least this provides the insurance industry with more customers.   

It&#039;s past time so-called proponents of real health reform stopped acting as if Obama and Congress aim to do anything about this issue that will truly help people have access to affordable, quality healthcare.  I am sick of the constant babble from those such as the author who regurgitate White House propaganda and perpetuate the line that Republicans and Joe Lieberman are thrwarting Obama&#039;s quest to do what&#039;s right for health care - even AFTER these babblers see the debate has been steered and the bill has been crafted by and to benefit insurance and drug companies.  

If Gillespie and others really give a damn about health care, they need to stop perpetuating the lies of Obama and 99% of Congress and work to quash this sham reform plan and fight like hell to get a single payer bill.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s hope that Lieberman and the Republicans DO derail Obama&#8217;s health care &#8220;deform&#8221; plan.  The plan is nothing but a money giveaway bonanza for insurance and drug companies.    The plan doesn&#8217;t kick in until after 2012 (conveniently AFTER the election) and still will leave millions underinsured via cheap plans with high deductibles and scant coverage as well as millions uninsured.  The proposed public option (if it even makes the final cut) is the mother of all scams and will contain enough roadblocks to insure only a scant few people will qualify for it.  Medicare and Medicaid &#8211; two plans that work &#8211;  will be gutted to divert funds to private insurers.  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not forget how pro-lifers are stealthly gutting abortion access as their Congressfolk work language into the bill denying access to abortions &#8211; even if the woman pays for it with her own money.    Most damning is how Congress (including all those pro-choice females who women&#8217;s mags always award with honors &#8211; despite their imperialist, warmongering, and related evil doings) and your President have agreed to this language.    What&#8217;s next?  Denying coverage for contraceptives too?    Oh joy.  More unplanned pregnancies that turn into more people who need insurance.  Oh well.  At least this provides the insurance industry with more customers.   </p>
<p>It&#8217;s past time so-called proponents of real health reform stopped acting as if Obama and Congress aim to do anything about this issue that will truly help people have access to affordable, quality healthcare.  I am sick of the constant babble from those such as the author who regurgitate White House propaganda and perpetuate the line that Republicans and Joe Lieberman are thrwarting Obama&#8217;s quest to do what&#8217;s right for health care &#8211; even AFTER these babblers see the debate has been steered and the bill has been crafted by and to benefit insurance and drug companies.  </p>
<p>If Gillespie and others really give a damn about health care, they need to stop perpetuating the lies of Obama and 99% of Congress and work to quash this sham reform plan and fight like hell to get a single payer bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Shabnam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shabnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[We now know, from various sources, that then PM Sharon secretly opposed the Iraq war in 2003, even traveling to Washington to tell Bush that an invasion will benefit the Iranians.]

The reason is that Sharon wanted Bush to attack Iran FIRST, because he knew the ‘dual containment’ policy of the fifth column, Jewish Lobby  made Iraq a weaken and divided country under the NO FLY ZIONE surveillance.  The   ‘dual containment’ carried out under the Zionist puppets, Clintons,   and killed many, 650,000 people, majority of them were children less than 5 years of age.   After the demise of the Soviet Union, Israel is using her influence in Washington and around the world to destroy Iran because Israel sees Iran as an obstacle against his expansionist policy in the region, from Africa to Central Asia.  Therefore, Israel has hyped the legal enrichment program of Iran and using every single puppet in the WH to frighten the fools in US and around the world to bring them on board for a nuclear holocaust against Iran.
Joe Lieberman is one of the many Zionists who is actively engaged  to create  millions of NEW customers for the Health and Pharmaceutical Corporation to increase their profitability even higher.  The Wall Street put  Barak Obama, a Jewish President as petras call it,   in the White House  under the direction of a zionist  pro Israel,  Rahm Emanuel.  
According to Taibbi &amp; Kuttner, Obama manipulated the public to get the CURRENT bill to satisfy his sponsors, the Wall Street fat kids.   Obama DID NOT want a public option, contrary to current belief; rather he used ‘public option’ in the beginning to frighten Republicans to bring them on board for the current bill.

According to Taibbi on Bill Moyers ‘the journal’:
Obama took more money from Wall Street than any other presidential candidate in history. Goldman Sachs was his number one private campaign contributor. And if you just look at the evidence, it&#039;s just really business as usual. This is what the Democratic Party has done since the mid-&#039;80s. 
With all lies coming from WH and its director, Rahm Emanuel, the ‘progressive’ Robert Kuttner said the following statement on ‘the Journal’:

But, despite the immense power of Wall Street, Kuttner still believes that meaningful financial reform is possible, and that President Obama could change course, &quot;I think there is a chance — I don&#039;t think I would bet my life on it — but I think there&#039;s a possibility that by the fall of 2010, looking down the barrel of a real election blowout, you could see him change course, if only for reasons of expediency, but hopefully for reasons of principle as well, if he feels that the public doesn&#039;t have confidence that he is delivering the kind of recovery that the public needs.
According to Taibbi &amp; Kuttner Obama LIES when he recently said, 60 minutes,   “I did not run for the office   to help bunch of fat kids on the Wall Street.”  This lies are said to fool the public.  On the contrary, he, with the leadership of Rahm Emanuel has done everyone to help the fat kids on the Wall Street.
Despite all lies and deceptions, the zionist lobby and its puppet, Obama, some of the ‘progressive’ groups cannot criticize him harshly because it may ‘help’ the Republican Party.  This line of thinking is encouraged by the ‘progressive’ like Robert Kuttner, American Prospect.  He said the lack of ‘social movement’ in the United State makes it hard to go after Obama, the Jewish president.  One must ask who is responsible for lack of ‘social movement in the United States?   I know, for example, the reason behind Iranian ‘socialist’ support of zionist project was the misleading information  coming from the European ‘socialists’, majority of whom were trotskysts,  and the role of the  leading public intellectual of sixties and seventies era, Paul Sartre who was  supportive of Israel and Zionism. 
American people must be united to bring the lobby down as soon as possible.  Obama is a liar according to all informed opinion and serves no one except the Wall Street to keep him in the WH.  He is expanding the war to help Israel expansionist policy.

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2003/623/op33.htm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[We now know, from various sources, that then PM Sharon secretly opposed the Iraq war in 2003, even traveling to Washington to tell Bush that an invasion will benefit the Iranians.]</p>
<p>The reason is that Sharon wanted Bush to attack Iran FIRST, because he knew the ‘dual containment’ policy of the fifth column, Jewish Lobby  made Iraq a weaken and divided country under the NO FLY ZIONE surveillance.  The   ‘dual containment’ carried out under the Zionist puppets, Clintons,   and killed many, 650,000 people, majority of them were children less than 5 years of age.   After the demise of the Soviet Union, Israel is using her influence in Washington and around the world to destroy Iran because Israel sees Iran as an obstacle against his expansionist policy in the region, from Africa to Central Asia.  Therefore, Israel has hyped the legal enrichment program of Iran and using every single puppet in the WH to frighten the fools in US and around the world to bring them on board for a nuclear holocaust against Iran.<br />
Joe Lieberman is one of the many Zionists who is actively engaged  to create  millions of NEW customers for the Health and Pharmaceutical Corporation to increase their profitability even higher.  The Wall Street put  Barak Obama, a Jewish President as petras call it,   in the White House  under the direction of a zionist  pro Israel,  Rahm Emanuel.<br />
According to Taibbi &amp; Kuttner, Obama manipulated the public to get the CURRENT bill to satisfy his sponsors, the Wall Street fat kids.   Obama DID NOT want a public option, contrary to current belief; rather he used ‘public option’ in the beginning to frighten Republicans to bring them on board for the current bill.</p>
<p>According to Taibbi on Bill Moyers ‘the journal’:<br />
Obama took more money from Wall Street than any other presidential candidate in history. Goldman Sachs was his number one private campaign contributor. And if you just look at the evidence, it&#8217;s just really business as usual. This is what the Democratic Party has done since the mid-&#8217;80s.<br />
With all lies coming from WH and its director, Rahm Emanuel, the ‘progressive’ Robert Kuttner said the following statement on ‘the Journal’:</p>
<p>But, despite the immense power of Wall Street, Kuttner still believes that meaningful financial reform is possible, and that President Obama could change course, &#8220;I think there is a chance — I don&#8217;t think I would bet my life on it — but I think there&#8217;s a possibility that by the fall of 2010, looking down the barrel of a real election blowout, you could see him change course, if only for reasons of expediency, but hopefully for reasons of principle as well, if he feels that the public doesn&#8217;t have confidence that he is delivering the kind of recovery that the public needs.<br />
According to Taibbi &amp; Kuttner Obama LIES when he recently said, 60 minutes,   “I did not run for the office   to help bunch of fat kids on the Wall Street.”  This lies are said to fool the public.  On the contrary, he, with the leadership of Rahm Emanuel has done everyone to help the fat kids on the Wall Street.<br />
Despite all lies and deceptions, the zionist lobby and its puppet, Obama, some of the ‘progressive’ groups cannot criticize him harshly because it may ‘help’ the Republican Party.  This line of thinking is encouraged by the ‘progressive’ like Robert Kuttner, American Prospect.  He said the lack of ‘social movement’ in the United State makes it hard to go after Obama, the Jewish president.  One must ask who is responsible for lack of ‘social movement in the United States?   I know, for example, the reason behind Iranian ‘socialist’ support of zionist project was the misleading information  coming from the European ‘socialists’, majority of whom were trotskysts,  and the role of the  leading public intellectual of sixties and seventies era, Paul Sartre who was  supportive of Israel and Zionism.<br />
American people must be united to bring the lobby down as soon as possible.  Obama is a liar according to all informed opinion and serves no one except the Wall Street to keep him in the WH.  He is expanding the war to help Israel expansionist policy.</p>
<p><a href="http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2003/623/op33.htm" rel="nofollow">http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2003/623/op33.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 08:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the Lieberman in Israel speaking.  Is Avigdor related to Joe by any chance?

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=247778

Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman said on Thursday that the 10-month settlement freeze was simply a tactical move and not a real effort to stop settlement growth, Israeli media sources reported Friday. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the Lieberman in Israel speaking.  Is Avigdor related to Joe by any chance?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=247778" rel="nofollow">http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=247778</a></p>
<p>Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman said on Thursday that the 10-month settlement freeze was simply a tactical move and not a real effort to stop settlement growth, Israeli media sources reported Friday. </p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 03:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Joe Lieberman is the Senator from Israel, you would think he&#039;d be more in tuned to Israeli policies.  We now know, from various sources, that then PM Sharon secretly opposed the Iraq war in 2003, even traveling to Washington to tell Bush that an invasion will benefit the Iranians.  If Lieberman did indeed represent Israel, would he have not taken a position closer to Sharon&#039;s?

So much for the author&#039;s Jew bashing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Joe Lieberman is the Senator from Israel, you would think he&#8217;d be more in tuned to Israeli policies.  We now know, from various sources, that then PM Sharon secretly opposed the Iraq war in 2003, even traveling to Washington to tell Bush that an invasion will benefit the Iranians.  If Lieberman did indeed represent Israel, would he have not taken a position closer to Sharon&#8217;s?</p>
<p>So much for the author&#8217;s Jew bashing.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[michael g, well said
The fact is that no one hates or criticizes any human for what that human IS, bot solely for what a human being does.
Icecold observer observes from facts. In any case, nature had, in order to enhance our survival, endowned us with ability to hate the wrong acts but not people.

Some &#039;jews&#039;  think that they are immune to the rigid laws of nature. So, who cares.
We know what   &#039;jews&#039;  have done and what they do now. And there is lot of muslims who think exactly like most &#039;jews&#039;! And that&#039;s  &#039;jewish&#039; problem and which most &#039;jews&#039; want to solve in their own arbitrary way. Bad choice, i think!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>michael g, well said<br />
The fact is that no one hates or criticizes any human for what that human IS, bot solely for what a human being does.<br />
Icecold observer observes from facts. In any case, nature had, in order to enhance our survival, endowned us with ability to hate the wrong acts but not people.</p>
<p>Some &#8216;jews&#8217;  think that they are immune to the rigid laws of nature. So, who cares.<br />
We know what   &#8216;jews&#8217;  have done and what they do now. And there is lot of muslims who think exactly like most &#8216;jews&#8217;! And that&#8217;s  &#8216;jewish&#8217; problem and which most &#8216;jews&#8217; want to solve in their own arbitrary way. Bad choice, i think!</p>
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		<title>By: History Prof</title>
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		<dc:creator>History Prof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve always been intrigued by the &quot;anti-semitism&quot; card being played when someone disagrees with Israeli policy.  Here is a country who has boxed in Palistinian settlements with a wall while constantly expanding their own settlements all while thumbing its nose at the world.  They play the U.S. as though we (U.S.) were their &quot;Lenny&quot; and they are &quot;George&quot;.  
 A Palistinian child throws a rock and Israel responds with air strikes and the U.S. is expected to respond smuggly and back Israel.
I am a Christian, politically centrist, who is Biblically supposed to support Israel, but right is right and wrong is wrong.

Sorry, but when the card is played, please remember, it was Germany and not Palestine that caused the Halocaust.  All this from a history professor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always been intrigued by the &#8220;anti-semitism&#8221; card being played when someone disagrees with Israeli policy.  Here is a country who has boxed in Palistinian settlements with a wall while constantly expanding their own settlements all while thumbing its nose at the world.  They play the U.S. as though we (U.S.) were their &#8220;Lenny&#8221; and they are &#8220;George&#8221;.<br />
 A Palistinian child throws a rock and Israel responds with air strikes and the U.S. is expected to respond smuggly and back Israel.<br />
I am a Christian, politically centrist, who is Biblically supposed to support Israel, but right is right and wrong is wrong.</p>
<p>Sorry, but when the card is played, please remember, it was Germany and not Palestine that caused the Halocaust.  All this from a history professor.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Gillespie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Gillespie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One difference between me (and I am but one of a rapidly growing number of principled critics of Israel&#039;s crimes and excesses), and most of those who reflexively scream abuse in reaction to any criticism of Israeli policies or the activities of Israel&#039;s political operatives in this country, is that I actually read books, do research, engage in critical thinking, have a working knowledge of history, politics, and international affairs, and can marshal facts, make rational arguments based on those facts, and provide thought-provoking analysis.  Typically, those who habitually sling the false charge of anti-Semite at anyone who dares to question the pro-Israel agenda, on the other hand, deal almost exclusively in unsupported opinion, half-truths, mythology, cliches, and superficialities.  History (other than the horror of the Nazi holocaust), facts, reasoned discussion, and rational argument mean little or nothing to them.  Their worldview is rigidly, exclusively Israeli-centric.  They often appear not to have a knowledge base that  supports their opinions, which they obviously get straight from the Israeli foreign ministry, the ADL, AIPAC, etc.  In a world in which Judge Richard Goldstone is smeared as a self-hating Jew and anti-Semite for calling for an investigation of Israel&#039;s arguably genocidal attack on the captive and defenseless civilian population of Gaza, non-Jews who dare to criticize Israeli crimes and the excesses of those in this country who support them can hardly expect better treatment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One difference between me (and I am but one of a rapidly growing number of principled critics of Israel&#8217;s crimes and excesses), and most of those who reflexively scream abuse in reaction to any criticism of Israeli policies or the activities of Israel&#8217;s political operatives in this country, is that I actually read books, do research, engage in critical thinking, have a working knowledge of history, politics, and international affairs, and can marshal facts, make rational arguments based on those facts, and provide thought-provoking analysis.  Typically, those who habitually sling the false charge of anti-Semite at anyone who dares to question the pro-Israel agenda, on the other hand, deal almost exclusively in unsupported opinion, half-truths, mythology, cliches, and superficialities.  History (other than the horror of the Nazi holocaust), facts, reasoned discussion, and rational argument mean little or nothing to them.  Their worldview is rigidly, exclusively Israeli-centric.  They often appear not to have a knowledge base that  supports their opinions, which they obviously get straight from the Israeli foreign ministry, the ADL, AIPAC, etc.  In a world in which Judge Richard Goldstone is smeared as a self-hating Jew and anti-Semite for calling for an investigation of Israel&#8217;s arguably genocidal attack on the captive and defenseless civilian population of Gaza, non-Jews who dare to criticize Israeli crimes and the excesses of those in this country who support them can hardly expect better treatment.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For the record the comments above are not from me.   Someone is playing a silly game. And read the new comment etiquette please previous poster .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record the comments above are not from me.   Someone is playing a silly game. And read the new comment etiquette please previous poster .</p>
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		<title>By: kalidas</title>
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		<dc:creator>kalidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And their silent abettors who plead innocent, outraged and profoundly affected, all the while sending in their $$$, prayers and other support.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And their silent abettors who plead innocent, outraged and profoundly affected, all the while sending in their $$$, prayers and other support.</p>
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		<title>By: Mulga Mumblebrain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mulga Mumblebrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Funny how an article that clearly outlines Lieberman&#039;s actions, which are as transparently a case of &#039;dual loyalty&#039; (ie loyalty to Lieberman and Israel)as is imaginable, is met by the usual slimy smear of &#039;anti-Semitism&#039;. What a tactic it is! No matter how great the crime of any Jew, anywhere, anytime, whether spying on his supposed  homeland, burning Gazan children with white phosphorus or threatening Iran with aggressive war and mass murder of its citizens, the sanctified, &#039;chosen&#039;, people can do no wrong. A crime, when committed by a mere goy, becomes a Holy Act when the perpetrator is a Jew. The Yesha Council of Rabbis and Torah Sages in Israel, stated it plainly during the murderous and cowardly attack on the civilians of Lebanon in 2006. According to these worthies, representatives, if at the fundamentalist extreme, of Judaism, killing civilians during war-time is a &#039;mitzvah&#039; or good deed. International humanitarian law, which outlaws it, was &#039;Christian morality&#039;they sneered, an insult in these circles. Hence Gaza, Sabra, Shatilla, Qibya, Deir Yassin, the Nakbah etc, all sanctified acts. 
Robert Fisher, I suspect, is another Zionist propagandist. The open advocacy of the extreme hatred that led to ultimate horror in Germany in the 1930s seems to me to probably be an unsubtle attempt to slur everyone who criticises Israel with the &#039;Nazi&#039; stain. It&#039;s an old Judeofascist tactic, to associate those outraged with Israeli and other Judaic crimes with true, racist, anti-Semites. It just does not wash, anymore. People around the world are sick of Israeli and Judaic crime, arrogance, and mendacity, just as they are with such viciousness when committed by non-Jews, and it has nothing to do with the race, religion or culture of the perpetrators, and everything to do with their wicked crimes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny how an article that clearly outlines Lieberman&#8217;s actions, which are as transparently a case of &#8216;dual loyalty&#8217; (ie loyalty to Lieberman and Israel)as is imaginable, is met by the usual slimy smear of &#8216;anti-Semitism&#8217;. What a tactic it is! No matter how great the crime of any Jew, anywhere, anytime, whether spying on his supposed  homeland, burning Gazan children with white phosphorus or threatening Iran with aggressive war and mass murder of its citizens, the sanctified, &#8216;chosen&#8217;, people can do no wrong. A crime, when committed by a mere goy, becomes a Holy Act when the perpetrator is a Jew. The Yesha Council of Rabbis and Torah Sages in Israel, stated it plainly during the murderous and cowardly attack on the civilians of Lebanon in 2006. According to these worthies, representatives, if at the fundamentalist extreme, of Judaism, killing civilians during war-time is a &#8216;mitzvah&#8217; or good deed. International humanitarian law, which outlaws it, was &#8216;Christian morality&#8217;they sneered, an insult in these circles. Hence Gaza, Sabra, Shatilla, Qibya, Deir Yassin, the Nakbah etc, all sanctified acts.<br />
Robert Fisher, I suspect, is another Zionist propagandist. The open advocacy of the extreme hatred that led to ultimate horror in Germany in the 1930s seems to me to probably be an unsubtle attempt to slur everyone who criticises Israel with the &#8216;Nazi&#8217; stain. It&#8217;s an old Judeofascist tactic, to associate those outraged with Israeli and other Judaic crimes with true, racist, anti-Semites. It just does not wash, anymore. People around the world are sick of Israeli and Judaic crime, arrogance, and mendacity, just as they are with such viciousness when committed by non-Jews, and it has nothing to do with the race, religion or culture of the perpetrators, and everything to do with their wicked crimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Fisher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 00:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is de-ja-vu all over again. America finds itself in the same position Europe was in prior to WW2. The government, businesses, universities all were run by people from Israeli decent. Germans were slaves in their own country to support the wining and dining leaches. 
german people had stainless caps on their teeth, the Jews had Gold.
This was the reason they were made to put the Star of David on their shirts.
If American senators would be required to proudly display the Star of David the American people would come to realize how corrupt their country has become. Joe Lieberman for instance has only Israelis best interest on his mind. It is absolutely disgusting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is de-ja-vu all over again. America finds itself in the same position Europe was in prior to WW2. The government, businesses, universities all were run by people from Israeli decent. Germans were slaves in their own country to support the wining and dining leaches.<br />
german people had stainless caps on their teeth, the Jews had Gold.<br />
This was the reason they were made to put the Star of David on their shirts.<br />
If American senators would be required to proudly display the Star of David the American people would come to realize how corrupt their country has become. Joe Lieberman for instance has only Israelis best interest on his mind. It is absolutely disgusting.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Fisher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 00:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Funny how every time someone scrutinizes Israel, the play the anti Semitic card. Fact of the matter is that as soon as Americans come to realize that for the past 60 years they have been nothing but a tool in Zionist hands. American blood is being wasted to achieve the Zionist dream of total control. America wake up and smell the freedom.
It is because of Israel pushing you into two wars that you are bankrupt.
Your own senators, mostly Jewish are denying you healthcare reform in order to keep on financing the colonialisation of the Middle East. sad, sad, sad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny how every time someone scrutinizes Israel, the play the anti Semitic card. Fact of the matter is that as soon as Americans come to realize that for the past 60 years they have been nothing but a tool in Zionist hands. American blood is being wasted to achieve the Zionist dream of total control. America wake up and smell the freedom.<br />
It is because of Israel pushing you into two wars that you are bankrupt.<br />
Your own senators, mostly Jewish are denying you healthcare reform in order to keep on financing the colonialisation of the Middle East. sad, sad, sad.</p>
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		<title>By: LAO</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/12/the-senator-from-israel-aims-to-kill-health-care-insurance-reform-in-america/#comment-62620</link>
		<dc:creator>LAO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To Paul Furr: This country absolutely DOES have an abysmal health care system.    We pay more per capita than any other country, and have worse health outcomes than most developed countries.  Check out the infant mortality figures.   Have you ever had a loved one with cancer, AIDS, or other chronic conditions in the USA?   They can&#039;t get health insurance--and without health insurance, their care is poor while also being a huge financial burden on their family and the state!

I am a pacifist Jewish Zionist, and hate the idea of linking health reform to Israel--but is this the fault of the author and Parry due to antisemetism--or is it the fault of Liberman flip-flopping on Medicare expansion and therefore inviting speculation about his motives?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Paul Furr: This country absolutely DOES have an abysmal health care system.    We pay more per capita than any other country, and have worse health outcomes than most developed countries.  Check out the infant mortality figures.   Have you ever had a loved one with cancer, AIDS, or other chronic conditions in the USA?   They can&#8217;t get health insurance&#8211;and without health insurance, their care is poor while also being a huge financial burden on their family and the state!</p>
<p>I am a pacifist Jewish Zionist, and hate the idea of linking health reform to Israel&#8211;but is this the fault of the author and Parry due to antisemetism&#8211;or is it the fault of Liberman flip-flopping on Medicare expansion and therefore inviting speculation about his motives?</p>
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		<title>By: paul furr</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul furr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I assume whoever reads this with an opinion has read the bill. I have. I have a headache. Healthcare reform only needs be done in a country that has a abbysmal (probably spelled incorrectly) record. America does not. Do we have a model that works better?. NO. Stop trying to intellectualize this crap, its a BAD IDEA. If its not then tell me why not. Convince me that this is not simply a poloitical land grab. I lived in the UK all my life till 22 yrs. Came here then. hospitals here are great. Health care here is much better than the socialized slums that call themselves hospitals in the UK. COME ON! Wake up]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assume whoever reads this with an opinion has read the bill. I have. I have a headache. Healthcare reform only needs be done in a country that has a abbysmal (probably spelled incorrectly) record. America does not. Do we have a model that works better?. NO. Stop trying to intellectualize this crap, its a BAD IDEA. If its not then tell me why not. Convince me that this is not simply a poloitical land grab. I lived in the UK all my life till 22 yrs. Came here then. hospitals here are great. Health care here is much better than the socialized slums that call themselves hospitals in the UK. COME ON! Wake up</p>
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		<title>By: Manny McNeil</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/12/the-senator-from-israel-aims-to-kill-health-care-insurance-reform-in-america/#comment-62614</link>
		<dc:creator>Manny McNeil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andre Kemp was polite.  I&#039;ll be a bit more blunt. 

While I disagree with Sen Lieberman&#039;s position on expanding Medicare down to age 55, the venomous and racist diatribe by Michael Gillespie is nothing short of classic textbook fascist propaganda.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andre Kemp was polite.  I&#8217;ll be a bit more blunt. </p>
<p>While I disagree with Sen Lieberman&#8217;s position on expanding Medicare down to age 55, the venomous and racist diatribe by Michael Gillespie is nothing short of classic textbook fascist propaganda.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie Jones</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/12/the-senator-from-israel-aims-to-kill-health-care-insurance-reform-in-america/#comment-62611</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wouldn&#039;t call this article or sentiment anti-semitic.
Howver, my understandingis that there are many factions not satified with where the health carfe reform movement is going, including this bill on both sides of the fence.

I don&#039;t think it right to have him shoulder all the blame and that&#039;s quite the leap to me in assumptions about sabotaging President Obama in the Middle East since he&#039;s shown little sign of being a president with a new ideology regarding Palestine. He shows no signs of being the maverick there..

The factual indications for reasons regarding strong conflict pf interests are indeed very valid to me though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t call this article or sentiment anti-semitic.<br />
Howver, my understandingis that there are many factions not satified with where the health carfe reform movement is going, including this bill on both sides of the fence.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it right to have him shoulder all the blame and that&#8217;s quite the leap to me in assumptions about sabotaging President Obama in the Middle East since he&#8217;s shown little sign of being a president with a new ideology regarding Palestine. He shows no signs of being the maverick there..</p>
<p>The factual indications for reasons regarding strong conflict pf interests are indeed very valid to me though.</p>
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		<title>By: kalidas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/12/the-senator-from-israel-aims-to-kill-health-care-insurance-reform-in-america/#comment-62604</link>
		<dc:creator>kalidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Told ya.]]></description>
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		<title>By: Andre Kemp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andre Kemp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Quite an anti-semitic article.  Reading it you&#039;d assume that all the evil in Washington and this country is coming from the all-mighty Joe Lieberman.  Oh well, anti-semitic propaganda have been using this tactics for centuries - same old, same old.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite an anti-semitic article.  Reading it you&#8217;d assume that all the evil in Washington and this country is coming from the all-mighty Joe Lieberman.  Oh well, anti-semitic propaganda have been using this tactics for centuries &#8211; same old, same old.</p>
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