While the countries officially remain optimistic that a strong global warming treaty can be struck, they are privately braced for a weak outcome that heads of state will sign, but the public and scientists will condemn as much too little to prevent catastrophic global warming.

In addition, the US and Europe put themselves on a collision course with the world’s poorest countries, by repeating demands that the existing Kyoto treaty be scrapped in favour of a single new international treaty.

The UN announced that more than 40 heads of state have now agreed to go to Copenhagen, including Gordon Brown and others from Europe, Africa and South America. It is a recognition that the only way a legally binding deal will be concluded is with the highest-level political involvement.

Ironically, the involvement of the heads of state will give negotiators much less time to bridge what appears to be near-insurmountable gaps between positions, thereby forcing talks to continue well into 2010. Earlier this week, the EU and UK accepted an enforceable deal would take at least six months to a year to finalise.

“Little progress was made [this week] on the key issues of emission targets and finance that would allow developing countries to limit their emissions and adapt to climate change,” said Yvo de Boer, the UN director of the talks. “Without these two pieces of the puzzle in place we will not have a deal.”

The 130 developing countries represented by the G77 group said todaythey would walk out of Copenhagen if rich countries did not offer far deeper emission cuts and more money.

“If there are no ambitious targets and timetables in the first few days, then there will definitely be a reaction,” said Lumumba Di-Aping, chair of the G77.

Jonathan Pershing, the US chief negotiator, denied the US was holding up the talks by not naming a figure for its cuts. He refused to say whether the US would go to Copenhagen with a figure. “If we were to do a 17% reduction or a 20% cut, I’m not sure it would make a difference to the talks,” he said.

The UN, EU and non-governmental organisations (NGOs) said the US was endangering years of negotiations and hopes of tackling global warming, if it did not have firm targets.

“It is important for a deal to have the biggest emitter there with a concrete figure, which should be legally binding,” said Anders Torrson, the Swedish chief negotiator. Guardian

a weak outcome that heads of state will sign, a weak outcome that heads of state will sign. Watered down, weak. Not strong with courage but weak on those levels. Oh well rich countries for now sort of

As Mark Twain said, “a lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.”

Well written news hounds.

Your list of glolbal emergency measures left out the most important one of all – human population control.

The Earth’s climiate has never been constant, and never will be. All of today’s ‘experts’, most of whom seem to be connected one way or another to self-interested energy corporations, appear to be trying to turn the planet into some sort of artificial laboratory environment in which they may tightly control the Earth’s climate – and give the Empire ultimate control. But it is a twenty first century variation of King Canute trying to hold back the tide.

Maintaining the Earth’s climate in a condition different to that determined by nature without addressing the single most important problem (its exploding human population) is not only ridiculous (but very profitable of course), it continues to ignore the human vandalism that is destrtoying the planet’s fragile and beautiful eco-systems.

Human population control is THE most important issue in this debate for anyone serious about the long term welfare of our planet. Population control should never be imposed by governments (none of that eugenics nonsense), but should be taught, so that humans become self-regulating in exactly the same way as humans are learning to become non-smokers. It’s a very simple and humane lesson: women should not usually have any more than two children. That’s it. If every woman on the planet learnt that lesson, and applied it, human population would start to decline within a couple of generations (many women don’t want children at all, or are content with one; or they can’t have them, or sadly lose their children before they become adults).

A small human population will be far better able to cope with Earth’s natural climate swings than the fat and bloated population we have created, and which we are making even fatter and more bloated; and the planet’s eco-systems will also have a fighting chance of survival long into the future.

However in the latest round of negotiations in Barcelona rich countries have failed to agree on targets for cutting carbon, prompting the African nations to walk out in protest at one point.
Officials are now frantically watering down expectations and talking about another year of talks before a treaty can be finalised.

The situation also adds pressure on President Barack Obama to attend the Copenhagen talks and prevent the talks collapsing altogether.

“It is a Catch 22 situation,” he said. “People are waiting for each other to move so it is very difficult to blame any one country.”

However, questioned on the role of the US he said the American position was “significant” in terms of the delay.

President Obama has been unable to pass legislation through the Senate that would commit the US to cutting carbon emissions.

“Copenhagen is one of the most important meetings in human history. It’s the best chance we’ve ever had to agree a deal to slash emissions and face down the threat of warming the planet, but the politicians seem determined to blow it.

“The US is becoming a dead weight in these talks. Its position is driven by big fossil fuel interests. It is time for Europe to stand up not give up.” Telegraph

big fossil fuel interests and a few others. Strange day’s ahead

Do you see the trillions of miracles happening on this planet? Do you see how very perfectly and meticulously it was designed/built? Do you believe that the Earth was happenstance? Do you believe it has a design and designers? A third idea?

If someone came along and proposed that EACH HUMAN creates an entire universe for themselves and themselves only, when they wake up each morning, could you swallow that? Can you conceive that when many of the psychics and mediums claim that “you create your own reality”, they mean it literally? Could you conceive that you are the only REAL thing in your entire reality, and that all other people, creatures, world, and even your own body… is part of a type of hallucination that a “big you” has created for yourself to do experiencing-within?

If THAT is true, your “haul everyone into space” (which is a very harsh environment and costs tons of $$$$ to build protection-from and haul supplies-into)… is i’n'i’n'i. (infeasible’n’ implausible’n'impractical) Its probably not any more inini than my idea to get people to stop using economies and stop doing monetary discrimination, though.

All that theory aside, we already have one of the best spaceships ever designed, maybe the best. Its called a planet. We can’t get together and pilot/operate THIS spaceship in a loving and sharing manner. What makes you think a man-made spaceship will be any different?

Its a good thought, though. Such a good thought that… another once had it… with a movie called Silent Running… http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067756. Bruce Dern ended-up forgetting to take a woman along, so he killed-off humanity, eventually. But he fixed the artificial lighting/sun so his marijuana crop would survive forever, minded by some poker-playing robots. It wasn’t just pot, though. There were all sorts of plants aboard. But he was venturing intergalactic, so he was leaving the sun behind. Thus the need for the artificial lighting, which runs on fuel or Duracells, both of which cost a crapload of money and danger to launch into space.

I take it that your idea doesn’t leave the local solar system, as you mention solar/sun often. So there wouldn’t be a search happening for a new planet. You’d have to say goodbye to the sun to do that kind of traveling, and the heating costs would be… ironically… astronomical. Getting those batteries and jet fuel trucks… to deliver petrol or solid rocket boosters… outside the current solar system… is x-spensive beyond your wildest greenback-printing dreams. Remember, no solar panel/cell power will be happening if you’re heading out beyond the local area.

I’d say your idea has about a 100000 to 1… labor-to-fruition ratio. In other words, for every 100000 people it would kill in order to MAKE this spaceship of yours, 1 would be saved by it. So only the very very very richest could gather the labor to buy their way into a survival of the fittest slot aboard the spacecraft. Take a look at the pyramid scheme symbol on the back of the USA dollar if/when you get a chance. See the tip of that pyramid, glowing, eye or Horus inside, separated from the worker bees below? Now, of that tiny false deity pyramid on top, just the upper 10% of THOSE power wielders… could afford to go on your spaceship. And, I believe they are all whities, so you’ve lost your bio-diversity (and all horse sense) upon your new space-world, and thus it won’t survive. Speaking of horse, those world-controlling Bilderberg kids at the top of the freemason new world order… are all meat eaters. Better haul some chickens and cows, too. Got pasture? Got servants to shovel poo?

Rough, rough, rough. Head for the caves. You’d still die there, but at least you’d be away from the rich controllers and amongst the intelligence of the rocks and lichen.

Young people are not cannon fodder for the violent exploits of old rich scum, and they are smarter and thinner than most of the baby boomers are right now.

Kids do lie a lot. But had good teachers: priests, a ‘teach’, pols, reporters, actors, et al.
As to defense of the country, US has drones, wmd; bushes’, clinton’s, carter’s, kennedy’s children for that. Or do we think that clinton and other prezes wld be that dishonest to keep its offspring outof warfare?
So, not to worry, the train is indeed running and as long there r tracks to run on, everything is going as planned!
And bad news is, the earth being a sphere and thus unending, the tracks also may never end.
So, a good commet will have to do; the only cure!!! tnx

Business as usual, with its focus on the annual balance sheet, can hardly continue under conditions of environmental collapse. Governments, focused on the next elections, need to focus on the survival of the next generation.

Good planets are hard to come by.

None of these things can/should be labeled as GOOD or BAD… they all float around in the 255 shades of gray between black and white labeling like that. All things in moderation. But WHO, pray-tell… gets to have the final say on WHAT is a moderated level? Are we going to rely upon self-policing to enforce such self-policy? Because, if we self-police… its going to mean that we get to say goodbye to tact, and we can go around accusing each other of being fat, stupid, lethargic drunks again, and its okay, cuz brutal pummeling got re-labeled as “tough love”! YAY!!! Verbal abuse is allowed again!!

(It always WAS allowed outside of workplaces. But workplace “appropriate and professional” dribbled out onto the streets, accidentally, recently. For example, verbal sexual harassment is a capitalism/workplace-only thing. Free speech is allowed “on the streets” and in most other places.)

Then there are those who for religious reasons defy the basic sciences such as geology, archeology, paleontology, a corner stone for much of the science of climatology.

There are influences larger then they should be including unschooled or felonious politicians, fringe elements of the communications profession with agendas know only to those closely aligned with them, dissemination of false beliefs and twisted facts make up an opposing view of the world.

All of those above will slow and may even stop what little we can do to change the threat to our world. And it is OUR world. The changes are to isolated, to far away from our own tiny place we live in, much more remote then the every day challenges of life and liberty. Even the “tipping points” do not occur in our living rooms or bedrooms.

So the science of climatology is important …but much more the need to convince all in OUR world of the necessity of recognizing the little things for their importance and influence on the big thing…climate change.

Hello,

Did you happen to read this?

WASHINGTON (Nov. 3) — Are America’s youth too fat, dumb or dishonest to defend the nation against its enemies?

The latest Army statistics show a stunning 75 percent of military-age youth are ineligible to join the military because they are overweight, can’t pass entrance exams, have dropped out of high school or had run-ins with the law.

So many young people between the prime recruiting ages of 17 and 24 cannot meet minimum standards that a group of retired military leaders is calling for more investment in early childhood education to combat the insidious effects of junk food and inadequate education. Sphere

I’ll bet many people read that and thought to themselves oh goodie it’s working and now we can sell them anything. It’s ok we have nuclear weapons and I am going to be rich rich I tell you. Yes for those of us who went on to higher learning we will control everything it’s going to be great.

Not exactly and people don’t think like that. Oh they don’t well what about commercials on TV that almost say it’s ok to be stupid and if you buy my product other people will think your stupid and you can all be stupid together. How does it seem to working so far? Now of course the people who make these commercials are not over weight and very smart as they went on to higher learning and very honest in all they do. Well that’s just the way it work’s, work’s is probably the wrong word and now with the biggest problem the human race as ever faced do we see honest, higher learning from our so called leaders, roll models a few about 1%. At least one good thing these kid’s will not be demonstrating to defend themselves and the darkside could be right on that as we all all go down the drain in not such slow motion it worked sad isn’t it and shocking is it time for lunch yet and the soup do the day is? What is my purpose call call now. Sad isn’t it. That’s just the way the way the World work’s it’s the best we can do seems so.

Morpheus: The pill you took is part of a trace program. It’s designed to disrupt your input/output carrier signal so we can pinpoint your location.
Neo: What does that mean?
Cypher: It means fasten your seat belt Dorothy, ’cause Kansas is going bye-bye.

I’m going to show people what you don’t want them to see and what might that be? That we have already destroyed a good part of the home planet/Earth and are now going about finishing off the job. “And you all just won a new car”, and remember super size those fries take your antidepressants call call now listen to your so called leaders and watch your parking meters we don’t need to change everything is just fine climate change is a hoax the ice caps melting is normal and those droughts put them out of your mind go shopping.

Stick around and remember one and one is two and a prison for the mind is only an illusion.

http://wattsupwiththat.com

Keep an eye on that site… Anthony calls it like it is…