I heard someone say Palin can help bring back the GOP to it’s glory. I have to say James Inhofe two day’s ago kind of said the same thing. I don’t think Americans are even told anymore if it’s global warming or just climate change, what does that mean is it new speak what does that mean? B99 still time and man anything but easy if we try. If we try boring it will not be and let me add got to be better than the strangeness we all feel now is it football season or baseball I know its time for basketball. It’s basketball season right. I know a tour to the Arctic to see the ice melt then off to Vegas nice cup of coffee.

I’m also afraid that I agree with you about the coming meltdown of society. I’m not as convinced as you that totalitarian regimes will have any success, though they no doubt will pop up here and there. But this really is the reason I made the point I did about Mr. Whitney’s article. Even so called “progressives” have a hard time seeing any solution other than rebuilding the failed economy of the recent past. Shouldn’t we be using this time as an opportunity to explore new options? You are right, that we won’t, but that doesn’t change the validity of the question.

Right now many American are concerned with the immediate survival — food, housing, education, health care, taxes and debt. If those issues were alleviated then climate change would be taken more seriously.

However as we’ve seen with the health care debacle the ruling class don’t care about what the American people want anyway and so long as they can continue to profit.

It would cause a mass extinction of almost all life and probably reduce humanity to a few struggling groups of embattled survivors clinging to life near the poles.
With the tropics too hot to grow crops, and the sub-tropics too dry, billions of people would find themselves in areas of the planet which are essentially uninhabitable. This would probably even include southern Europe, as the Sahara desert crosses the Mediterranean.
As the ice-caps melt, hundreds of millions will also be forced to move inland due to rapidly-rising seas. As world food supplies crash, the higher mid-latitude and sub-polar regions would become fiercely-contested refuges
Professor Le Quéré’s conclusion is frightening, “The Copenhagen conference next month is in my opinion the last chance to stabilise climate at C above pre-industrial levels in a smooth and organised way,”

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/leading-articles/leading-article-a-climate-change-warning–we-ignore-at-our-peril-1822427.html

We have long known that, unchecked, climate change is likely to result in a serious reduction in global agriculture, chronic drought, rising sea levels and the mass displacement of populations. But the implications of a 6C rise are more disastrous still. They include the acidification of the oceans, the loss of all polar ice and the combustion of the rainforests. It is doubtful that mankind could survive such a catastrophe.

That’s last chance to stabilise climate and any spending just might want to have a focus in mind. A total focus. In a smooth and organised way is that what we see? I watched Sen Inhofe today on the floor of the Senate talk about climate change and was it smooth and organised what he said yes if you enjoy total illusion. bullshit.

Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. The Earth is about to change weather me you Inhofe Obama rich poor young old like it or not. In about ten years right in our face in twenty years the beginning of survival. Spend all you want but if not focused the rest is academic. A Herculean effort kind of like a war and should be easy to see if we try. Still time maybe and today Inhofe said the American people don’t care about climate change bottom of the list in the polls it’s the spending and jobs and so it goes.

Whitney hits the nail on the head here. Economics is all about politics thus is extremely ideological.

Whitney, who’s your daddy?

So please, i beg u, don’t talk to me ab reserve currency, leverage, toxic assets, federal reserve, falling or desperately climbing US$, etc. tnx

Yes, perpetual growth is a losing bet. What will likely happen however, is that the meltdown of society, whenever it passes a tipping point into free fall – will not be subject to planned alternatives. This is a gigantic and complex contraption, the demise of which will result in ten-thousand as yet unknown outcomes. The likelihood, I think, is that totalitarian entities will emerge from what remains. I’d like to think that we can plan our way into something better, but we can tell by the conversation on most any subject on DV – that this is only a chance outcome.

And that you can’t “imagine” it is precisely why we should be thinking real hard about it. At least to my way of thinking. Perpetual growth in a finite world is a losing bet, so we’d better be coming up with some real alternatives before the choice is made for us.

America need to understand that nothing in life is free. As a human born on this earth you are entitled to NOTHING. You can get anything you want but it take work. That is how it has been since the dawn of mankind. Only in the last 100 years has there even been health insurance, retirement funds, and free education. You want something in life go out and work for it.