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		<title>By: Annie Ladysmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annie Ladysmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is of course a time to fight, there are of course things worth fighting for and that time for many of us might be just around the bend.
Nam was of course not this type of fight. 

 To show you how corrupt this &#039;war&#039; was, at any given time during it, there was never more than 3% of  the families and relatives of the Capital Hill US government in the war.  The Senators and Reps sons just did not go to the carnage.  It was a trully terrible mess and Kennedy would have ended it BUT THEY DIDN&quot;T WANT THAT.  (Another betrayal, another carnage) 

I believe that Vietnam fractured our country into broken peices and there was no healing because there was no repentance on behalf of the gov.  Here&#039;s a kicker, the CIA did drug experiments on gi&#039;s in Nam.  When they finally had to high-tail it out of there a lot of those guys were left in their cages.  

You see, this is what i try to get across.  Your government dosn&#039;t give a crap about the troops.
The government does not care about your future welfare, if you come home maimed or with your mind blown, they don&#039;t even want to hear it.


It was just &#039;classic&#039; when Boy-Bush went to see the guy who got burned up in the Pentagon, ya know after the fake plane crashed and left a ten foot hole, the betrayal was unsconscionable and that idiot Bush sat giving his fake condolences.  So sorry your burned over 80% of your body, BUT YOUR A REAL BRAVE SOLDIER AND WE&#039;RE GO&#039;NA GET THOSE TERRAISTS.

It is not anyway for a free country to treat it&#039;s free people, but we can see and understand that it is the way the totalitarian tyrants treat their people.  We have had all the warnings for many years now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is of course a time to fight, there are of course things worth fighting for and that time for many of us might be just around the bend.<br />
Nam was of course not this type of fight. </p>
<p> To show you how corrupt this &#8216;war&#8217; was, at any given time during it, there was never more than 3% of  the families and relatives of the Capital Hill US government in the war.  The Senators and Reps sons just did not go to the carnage.  It was a trully terrible mess and Kennedy would have ended it BUT THEY DIDN&#8221;T WANT THAT.  (Another betrayal, another carnage) </p>
<p>I believe that Vietnam fractured our country into broken peices and there was no healing because there was no repentance on behalf of the gov.  Here&#8217;s a kicker, the CIA did drug experiments on gi&#8217;s in Nam.  When they finally had to high-tail it out of there a lot of those guys were left in their cages.  </p>
<p>You see, this is what i try to get across.  Your government dosn&#8217;t give a crap about the troops.<br />
The government does not care about your future welfare, if you come home maimed or with your mind blown, they don&#8217;t even want to hear it.</p>
<p>It was just &#8216;classic&#8217; when Boy-Bush went to see the guy who got burned up in the Pentagon, ya know after the fake plane crashed and left a ten foot hole, the betrayal was unsconscionable and that idiot Bush sat giving his fake condolences.  So sorry your burned over 80% of your body, BUT YOUR A REAL BRAVE SOLDIER AND WE&#8217;RE GO&#8217;NA GET THOSE TERRAISTS.</p>
<p>It is not anyway for a free country to treat it&#8217;s free people, but we can see and understand that it is the way the totalitarian tyrants treat their people.  We have had all the warnings for many years now.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 10:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember when my father, already a veteran of WWII and a civilian mercant marine engineering officer, was about to leave for Vietnam in the early sixties.  A sister ship of his shipping line carrying weapons and other war materiel to Vietnam, had just arrived for repairs from there, the superstructure having been shot full of holes, an even never reported in the US press. Dad&#039;s ship was next.

We were standing by the kitchen sink as he told me of the damage.  He leaned over the sink and vomited, then resumed talking to me as though nothing had happened. A sort of cold horror entered, and I began to understand the nature of war.  He&#039;d been a rageaholic, alcoholic whose memories of the sea battles in the Pacific during WWII often caused him to suddenly start and choke off a yell as he sat in his chair after dinner.  He drank himself to death by age 47.  My clearest memories were of him chugging bourbon direct from the bottle on the half-hour.  To this day I am sure only my athletic ability to run like the wind saved me from beatings or perhaps even death, so out of control he was at times.

So today a childhood filled with abuse by a father living always on the edge of violence, raging at the slightest disturbance, has left me with a level of PTSD easily equal to that of any veteran.  Only meditation combined with years of therapy has brought any healing, and an education as a psychotherapist working with vets understanding for my poor, damaged father.  At age 67, I still weep at his memory.  And there&#039;s no doubt that the fact that my grandfather and great-grandfather were also combat veterans added their contributions, through my father, to my condition. 

I&#039;m no vet, but I have war in my very bones.  Where are my veterans&#039; benefits?  Where is my Purple Heart?  I don&#039;t blame vets, as they too are victims, but there are very many like myself, children of war, whose lives are filled with pain and sorrow.  Perhaps more than there are veterans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember when my father, already a veteran of WWII and a civilian mercant marine engineering officer, was about to leave for Vietnam in the early sixties.  A sister ship of his shipping line carrying weapons and other war materiel to Vietnam, had just arrived for repairs from there, the superstructure having been shot full of holes, an even never reported in the US press. Dad&#8217;s ship was next.</p>
<p>We were standing by the kitchen sink as he told me of the damage.  He leaned over the sink and vomited, then resumed talking to me as though nothing had happened. A sort of cold horror entered, and I began to understand the nature of war.  He&#8217;d been a rageaholic, alcoholic whose memories of the sea battles in the Pacific during WWII often caused him to suddenly start and choke off a yell as he sat in his chair after dinner.  He drank himself to death by age 47.  My clearest memories were of him chugging bourbon direct from the bottle on the half-hour.  To this day I am sure only my athletic ability to run like the wind saved me from beatings or perhaps even death, so out of control he was at times.</p>
<p>So today a childhood filled with abuse by a father living always on the edge of violence, raging at the slightest disturbance, has left me with a level of PTSD easily equal to that of any veteran.  Only meditation combined with years of therapy has brought any healing, and an education as a psychotherapist working with vets understanding for my poor, damaged father.  At age 67, I still weep at his memory.  And there&#8217;s no doubt that the fact that my grandfather and great-grandfather were also combat veterans added their contributions, through my father, to my condition. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m no vet, but I have war in my very bones.  Where are my veterans&#8217; benefits?  Where is my Purple Heart?  I don&#8217;t blame vets, as they too are victims, but there are very many like myself, children of war, whose lives are filled with pain and sorrow.  Perhaps more than there are veterans.</p>
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		<title>By: russell olausen</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/11/no-more-star-spangled-eyes/#comment-59444</link>
		<dc:creator>russell olausen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 06:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a buddy who dodged Vietnam by coming up to N. Alberta in 72. He could not adapt to the climate or his exile, so in the cruel winter of 74 with a severe recession making earning money next to impossible, he simply froze to death. I suppose things are better now, he probably would not make Canada due to our closer security ties with the U.S. and I can&#039;t go to the States because Greg (his name) happened to have a roach on him when pulled over by our own zealous security types, somehow bestowing the dreaded drug Charge that can never be forgiven by the land of the free. Greg from Lansing, Michigan lives in me for his laconic spirit who faced up to the rock and hard place.R.I.P. Funny thing , by the time G.W.Bush took over, I got to know the ropes well enough to insure that I do not freeze to death. I suppose even faint praise for Bush will get me tarred here but thats war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a buddy who dodged Vietnam by coming up to N. Alberta in 72. He could not adapt to the climate or his exile, so in the cruel winter of 74 with a severe recession making earning money next to impossible, he simply froze to death. I suppose things are better now, he probably would not make Canada due to our closer security ties with the U.S. and I can&#8217;t go to the States because Greg (his name) happened to have a roach on him when pulled over by our own zealous security types, somehow bestowing the dreaded drug Charge that can never be forgiven by the land of the free. Greg from Lansing, Michigan lives in me for his laconic spirit who faced up to the rock and hard place.R.I.P. Funny thing , by the time G.W.Bush took over, I got to know the ropes well enough to insure that I do not freeze to death. I suppose even faint praise for Bush will get me tarred here but thats war.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/11/no-more-star-spangled-eyes/#comment-59395</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ruling classes have been victimizing young men fro millennia. They are also victimised by priests, &#039;educators&#039;, but not as much as by warlords.
At least one person had noted that people who cotrol symbols control the rest of the people and no amount of revolting will change that control.

I do not think s/he offered a solution for the problem. Perhaps by pointing out to people that the symbol such as &quot;defending US interests&quot; is not a valid symbol we can change peole&#039;s thinking.
The above &#039;symbol&#039; symbolizes &quot;defending interests of some people&quot; and not all americans. Wars benefit or appear to benefit  warlords more than any other layer of society.
Else there wld be no wars of aggression. &quot;Enhancing US security&quot; is another false-to-fact symbol.
The three k dead of the tow towers prove that it does not greaten security of all americans. And 13 slain US soldiers at fort hood also to prove it.
Add to that some ks soldiers maimed and about 6-7k soldiers losing their lives in afgh&#039;n and iraq also prove it.
Returning soldiers commiting suicides and commiting mayhem also proves that the &#039;symbols&#039; &quot;defending US interests&quot;  and  &quot;enhancing security&quot; have a fictive values.

Even US flag or any other is imbued with false symbolic value. So is &quot;education&quot;, &quot;media&quot;, &quot;public service&quot;, &quot;serving one&#039;s country&quot;, &quot;greatness of america&quot; [and with ist slavery?], &quot;hallowed constitution&quot;, &quot;best system of rule&quot;, etcetc.
&quot;Best rule ever&quot; means that no empire or land had to date developed a rule for control of lower classes than  US has. The control is indeed astounding  and getting daily stronger. tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruling classes have been victimizing young men fro millennia. They are also victimised by priests, &#8216;educators&#8217;, but not as much as by warlords.<br />
At least one person had noted that people who cotrol symbols control the rest of the people and no amount of revolting will change that control.</p>
<p>I do not think s/he offered a solution for the problem. Perhaps by pointing out to people that the symbol such as &#8220;defending US interests&#8221; is not a valid symbol we can change peole&#8217;s thinking.<br />
The above &#8216;symbol&#8217; symbolizes &#8220;defending interests of some people&#8221; and not all americans. Wars benefit or appear to benefit  warlords more than any other layer of society.<br />
Else there wld be no wars of aggression. &#8220;Enhancing US security&#8221; is another false-to-fact symbol.<br />
The three k dead of the tow towers prove that it does not greaten security of all americans. And 13 slain US soldiers at fort hood also to prove it.<br />
Add to that some ks soldiers maimed and about 6-7k soldiers losing their lives in afgh&#8217;n and iraq also prove it.<br />
Returning soldiers commiting suicides and commiting mayhem also proves that the &#8216;symbols&#8217; &#8220;defending US interests&#8221;  and  &#8220;enhancing security&#8221; have a fictive values.</p>
<p>Even US flag or any other is imbued with false symbolic value. So is &#8220;education&#8221;, &#8220;media&#8221;, &#8220;public service&#8221;, &#8220;serving one&#8217;s country&#8221;, &#8220;greatness of america&#8221; [and with ist slavery?], &#8220;hallowed constitution&#8221;, &#8220;best system of rule&#8221;, etcetc.<br />
&#8220;Best rule ever&#8221; means that no empire or land had to date developed a rule for control of lower classes than  US has. The control is indeed astounding  and getting daily stronger. tnx</p>
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