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		<title>By: Wingnut</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/11/inequality-the-root-source-of-sickness-in-america/#comment-58971</link>
		<dc:creator>Wingnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s right, Ann.  The true root cause for MANY of the planet&#039;s problems... is with the using of economies.  No other living things on the planet... use such.  You&#039;ll never see a deer use a price tag, honor a title of ownership, carry a wallet or purse, or mercantile in any way whatsoever.

As far as your comment about biomedical folk rarely having solutions for social problems, likely true.  But medical people do great reporting and tracking of things they see/deal-with.  And if we heed those findings and statistics, we can at least PROVE a social problem exists.  It might not be shrugged-off as cock&#039;n&#039;bull, because we will have truth.  But will those in power LISTEN to medical reports and statistics?  Probably not.  With capitalists in charge of power (instead of nuns, nurses,  and farm moms)... the objective will be to &quot;grow economy&quot;.  Most medical folk know that &quot;economy&quot; is the name for a type of cancerous tumor... and that its not a good idea to  grow those.  They should be removed from the organism.

If one looks at things from a certain angle, one can see that $money$ = wellbeing.  Wellbeing has been seen as a highly-sought thing, and thus, the capitalists (which SOME label as &quot;we&quot;)... have found that wellbeing sales is a fertile place to harvest some hide-gouge from the wellbeing-desperate general public.  Lets itemize a bit.  Great vitamins... $$$.  Great medical experts... $$$.  Great nutrition/food... $$$.  Great shelter/clothes... $$$.  Entertainment/fun... $$$.  Stress-free transportation... $$$.  Stress free high-edu child-rearing safety and confidence... $$$.  Great insurance/fear-countering-measures... $$$.  Getting to set-for-life... $$$.

All of the above categories of wellbeing... overlap/affect each other.  For every category that&#039;s &quot;satisfied&quot;, the general happiness levels of the person... increase (often via a reduction in fear or stress).  Relaxation is the opposite of stress/fear... correct?  And being able to relax about ANY given issue of concern... increases happiness in all humans... as best I can tell.  And I think we&#039;ll all eventually find... that the higher the happiness and the lower the wellbeing worries, the healthier the human.  That goes for planets, too.  In fact, I&#039;m quite sure that the medical folks have all the statistics to prove that a happier human is a healthier human... and lets hope SOMEBODY is heeding those findings.

But, it takes money to &quot;cover&quot; (counteract?) the things that are attacking humans.  With the rich in charge, THAT group doesn&#039;t really feel the stress of monetary discrimination and wellbeing rationing.  Just recently have the middle class areas of pyramids like capitalism... started to feel wellbeing rationing.  The low-on-the-pyramid folks have been feeling it since birth.  Set-for-lifes are in a much different environment than set-for-servitude/job folks are.

Remove the man-made-up phenomena of money, ownership, pricetags... and it all goes away.  Suddenly EVERYONE is wellbeing-rationed... and we&#039;ll ALL be forced to come up with a new (non-)game plan.  A LEVEL plan.  No discrimination, not monetary, not ownership, not &quot;have a say&quot;.   Just &quot;plane&quot; level stuff.  If discrimination is seen or provable... off to jail the perpetrator goes.

In that world, the position of USA president would be a &quot;role&quot; or &quot;job description&quot; and would not be any more or less powerful than anyone else.  Police officer... same same... a role, not an empowerment.  Egalitarian!  Decision by committee.  Everyone has a say and its weighed for smartness!  Sure its slow and arduous, but we have the information systems now... to record, track, weigh, and add-to everyone&#039;s great ideas.  

It all sounds good in theory, anyway.  :/  It would have to be seriously worked-at by everyone.  Economy-less worldwide communes are no free ride, work-wise.  The motivations would be of a completely different flavor than money, power, esteem, and ownership.  More of a pride and &quot;good name&quot; thing.  But even &quot;good name&quot; is dangerous, as its pro-individual and not pro-team.

Its best to get &quot;spearheaders&quot; like those who come up with ideas and &quot;spirit&quot; to gather a few of the local neighborhood dads (moms too) together... and build a treehouse for all the neighborhood kids.  Treehouse Teaming.  No wages, no boss, no deadlines, no stress, and yet a wonderful treehouse comes from it, and the folks involved often get together for a potluck supper afterwards, and sit around the fire with Michelobs... patting each other on the back for a job well done.  I think that&#039;s called love... but its been awhile, so I&#039;m not sure.  :)

So, in studying alternative ways and &quot;communes&quot;... one should probably study HOW and WHY... treehouse teaming works, and has such excellent results.  First, we need to say/believe/know that competition is NOT healthy and NEVER WAS.  Cooperation, its opposite, is the healthy thing.  Then, as we eliminate competition from our world, money and ownership would be the first to go.  Those are the two &quot;big tools&quot; by which capitalists (force-ins and free-joiners) compete.

Peace and love!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s right, Ann.  The true root cause for MANY of the planet&#8217;s problems&#8230; is with the using of economies.  No other living things on the planet&#8230; use such.  You&#8217;ll never see a deer use a price tag, honor a title of ownership, carry a wallet or purse, or mercantile in any way whatsoever.</p>
<p>As far as your comment about biomedical folk rarely having solutions for social problems, likely true.  But medical people do great reporting and tracking of things they see/deal-with.  And if we heed those findings and statistics, we can at least PROVE a social problem exists.  It might not be shrugged-off as cock&#8217;n'bull, because we will have truth.  But will those in power LISTEN to medical reports and statistics?  Probably not.  With capitalists in charge of power (instead of nuns, nurses,  and farm moms)&#8230; the objective will be to &#8220;grow economy&#8221;.  Most medical folk know that &#8220;economy&#8221; is the name for a type of cancerous tumor&#8230; and that its not a good idea to  grow those.  They should be removed from the organism.</p>
<p>If one looks at things from a certain angle, one can see that $money$ = wellbeing.  Wellbeing has been seen as a highly-sought thing, and thus, the capitalists (which SOME label as &#8220;we&#8221;)&#8230; have found that wellbeing sales is a fertile place to harvest some hide-gouge from the wellbeing-desperate general public.  Lets itemize a bit.  Great vitamins&#8230; $$$.  Great medical experts&#8230; $$$.  Great nutrition/food&#8230; $$$.  Great shelter/clothes&#8230; $$$.  Entertainment/fun&#8230; $$$.  Stress-free transportation&#8230; $$$.  Stress free high-edu child-rearing safety and confidence&#8230; $$$.  Great insurance/fear-countering-measures&#8230; $$$.  Getting to set-for-life&#8230; $$$.</p>
<p>All of the above categories of wellbeing&#8230; overlap/affect each other.  For every category that&#8217;s &#8220;satisfied&#8221;, the general happiness levels of the person&#8230; increase (often via a reduction in fear or stress).  Relaxation is the opposite of stress/fear&#8230; correct?  And being able to relax about ANY given issue of concern&#8230; increases happiness in all humans&#8230; as best I can tell.  And I think we&#8217;ll all eventually find&#8230; that the higher the happiness and the lower the wellbeing worries, the healthier the human.  That goes for planets, too.  In fact, I&#8217;m quite sure that the medical folks have all the statistics to prove that a happier human is a healthier human&#8230; and lets hope SOMEBODY is heeding those findings.</p>
<p>But, it takes money to &#8220;cover&#8221; (counteract?) the things that are attacking humans.  With the rich in charge, THAT group doesn&#8217;t really feel the stress of monetary discrimination and wellbeing rationing.  Just recently have the middle class areas of pyramids like capitalism&#8230; started to feel wellbeing rationing.  The low-on-the-pyramid folks have been feeling it since birth.  Set-for-lifes are in a much different environment than set-for-servitude/job folks are.</p>
<p>Remove the man-made-up phenomena of money, ownership, pricetags&#8230; and it all goes away.  Suddenly EVERYONE is wellbeing-rationed&#8230; and we&#8217;ll ALL be forced to come up with a new (non-)game plan.  A LEVEL plan.  No discrimination, not monetary, not ownership, not &#8220;have a say&#8221;.   Just &#8220;plane&#8221; level stuff.  If discrimination is seen or provable&#8230; off to jail the perpetrator goes.</p>
<p>In that world, the position of USA president would be a &#8220;role&#8221; or &#8220;job description&#8221; and would not be any more or less powerful than anyone else.  Police officer&#8230; same same&#8230; a role, not an empowerment.  Egalitarian!  Decision by committee.  Everyone has a say and its weighed for smartness!  Sure its slow and arduous, but we have the information systems now&#8230; to record, track, weigh, and add-to everyone&#8217;s great ideas.  </p>
<p>It all sounds good in theory, anyway.  :/  It would have to be seriously worked-at by everyone.  Economy-less worldwide communes are no free ride, work-wise.  The motivations would be of a completely different flavor than money, power, esteem, and ownership.  More of a pride and &#8220;good name&#8221; thing.  But even &#8220;good name&#8221; is dangerous, as its pro-individual and not pro-team.</p>
<p>Its best to get &#8220;spearheaders&#8221; like those who come up with ideas and &#8220;spirit&#8221; to gather a few of the local neighborhood dads (moms too) together&#8230; and build a treehouse for all the neighborhood kids.  Treehouse Teaming.  No wages, no boss, no deadlines, no stress, and yet a wonderful treehouse comes from it, and the folks involved often get together for a potluck supper afterwards, and sit around the fire with Michelobs&#8230; patting each other on the back for a job well done.  I think that&#8217;s called love&#8230; but its been awhile, so I&#8217;m not sure.  :)</p>
<p>So, in studying alternative ways and &#8220;communes&#8221;&#8230; one should probably study HOW and WHY&#8230; treehouse teaming works, and has such excellent results.  First, we need to say/believe/know that competition is NOT healthy and NEVER WAS.  Cooperation, its opposite, is the healthy thing.  Then, as we eliminate competition from our world, money and ownership would be the first to go.  Those are the two &#8220;big tools&#8221; by which capitalists (force-ins and free-joiners) compete.</p>
<p>Peace and love!</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/11/inequality-the-root-source-of-sickness-in-america/#comment-58573</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Biologistic or genetic attempts at understanding our health problems is old story always reviving itself as if it&#039;s something new.   Try to find within biomedical circles social solutions, you&#039;d be hard pressed.    It almost appears medical researchers have a certain disdain for sociological explanations, despite its over 100 year history.  The problem is no can make money on solutions that focus on society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Biologistic or genetic attempts at understanding our health problems is old story always reviving itself as if it&#8217;s something new.   Try to find within biomedical circles social solutions, you&#8217;d be hard pressed.    It almost appears medical researchers have a certain disdain for sociological explanations, despite its over 100 year history.  The problem is no can make money on solutions that focus on society.</p>
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		<title>By: ajohnstone</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/11/inequality-the-root-source-of-sickness-in-america/#comment-58504</link>
		<dc:creator>ajohnstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very insightful article and much appreciated</description>
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		<title>By: Christophe</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/11/inequality-the-root-source-of-sickness-in-america/#comment-58463</link>
		<dc:creator>Christophe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>b99: What are you trying to communicate? Are you saying that deterministic-biologistic attempts at understanding complex human behaviour and interactions are the way of the future, full of promise, or, fraught with danger and wrongheaded public health policy? By the way, genetics, in one form or other-reflective of the level of scientific underpinnings-has figured in works as far back as Plato, with no real solutions to some of the more intractible societal problems. No &quot;new&quot; scientific paradigm will in itself be a solution, without honestly considering the &quot;non-scientific&quot; ameliorative approaches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>b99: What are you trying to communicate? Are you saying that deterministic-biologistic attempts at understanding complex human behaviour and interactions are the way of the future, full of promise, or, fraught with danger and wrongheaded public health policy? By the way, genetics, in one form or other-reflective of the level of scientific underpinnings-has figured in works as far back as Plato, with no real solutions to some of the more intractible societal problems. No &#8220;new&#8221; scientific paradigm will in itself be a solution, without honestly considering the &#8220;non-scientific&#8221; ameliorative approaches.</p>
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		<title>By: b99</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/11/inequality-the-root-source-of-sickness-in-america/#comment-58403</link>
		<dc:creator>b99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The war between those who conduct genetic studies and those who look for answers in social class has only just begun.  Those who favor the latter for explanations best be prepared for the findings of the former - they will not be easy to digest or counter.  Genetic studies are here to stay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The war between those who conduct genetic studies and those who look for answers in social class has only just begun.  Those who favor the latter for explanations best be prepared for the findings of the former &#8211; they will not be easy to digest or counter.  Genetic studies are here to stay.</p>
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		<title>By: Wingnut</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/11/inequality-the-root-source-of-sickness-in-america/#comment-58381</link>
		<dc:creator>Wingnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent report, Susan!  You know how I feel about pieces where you divide-up the classes and give them labels, and then try to put them at war with each other.  This piece didn&#039;t do that at all, and it appears you are seeing the classes as a &quot;stratification&quot; and something not so easily delineated.  Good stuff.  The classes wobble around so much because many of us have varying &quot;roles&quot;, or maybe &quot;masks&quot;, or maybe &quot;facets&quot;.  Sometimes we&#039;re Christian, sometimes we&#039;re consumer, sometimes we&#039;re capitalist, sometimes we&#039;re politician, sometimes we&#039;re giving, sometimes we&#039;re greedy/ego-centric, etc. etc..  In SOME groups, $24,000/yr is &quot;rich&quot;.  In some groups, that&#039;s middle class.  In other groups, that&#039;s scraping bottom.  It all depends upon the perspective/condition of the person doing the viewing.  And example from before... is a local little ol&#039; lady piano teacher, who practices &quot;whatever the market will bear&quot;... considered &quot;capitalist class&quot;?

You know how I feel about trying to delineate and label borders between classes and US versus THEM wars.  We&#039;ve talked.  And i don&#039;t know why I bring it up here, because... this is just a fantastic report... with great statistics.  You are (still) one of the best important-statistics gatherers I&#039;ve ever met... and I&#039;ve told you THAT before, too. 

And, its just plain good hearing from you, again.  I hope you&#039;re well.  On-subject-speaking... yes, monetary discrimination (wellbeing inequality) is killing most of humanity and planet.  Its just like the childhood pyramids which always collapse.  Upper 1/3... heads in the clouds (enjoyment/luxury junkies)...   and lower 2/3... crushed by the weight of the world&#039;s knees in their backs.  There&#039;s giant pyramids out in the planet&#039;s sandbox... built by former civilizations... as symbols of what we&#039;re supposed to be studying here.  Pyramiding.  Or, in other words, capitalism.  The ultimate ownershipism rat-race.  Yay.  (not)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent report, Susan!  You know how I feel about pieces where you divide-up the classes and give them labels, and then try to put them at war with each other.  This piece didn&#8217;t do that at all, and it appears you are seeing the classes as a &#8220;stratification&#8221; and something not so easily delineated.  Good stuff.  The classes wobble around so much because many of us have varying &#8220;roles&#8221;, or maybe &#8220;masks&#8221;, or maybe &#8220;facets&#8221;.  Sometimes we&#8217;re Christian, sometimes we&#8217;re consumer, sometimes we&#8217;re capitalist, sometimes we&#8217;re politician, sometimes we&#8217;re giving, sometimes we&#8217;re greedy/ego-centric, etc. etc..  In SOME groups, $24,000/yr is &#8220;rich&#8221;.  In some groups, that&#8217;s middle class.  In other groups, that&#8217;s scraping bottom.  It all depends upon the perspective/condition of the person doing the viewing.  And example from before&#8230; is a local little ol&#8217; lady piano teacher, who practices &#8220;whatever the market will bear&#8221;&#8230; considered &#8220;capitalist class&#8221;?</p>
<p>You know how I feel about trying to delineate and label borders between classes and US versus THEM wars.  We&#8217;ve talked.  And i don&#8217;t know why I bring it up here, because&#8230; this is just a fantastic report&#8230; with great statistics.  You are (still) one of the best important-statistics gatherers I&#8217;ve ever met&#8230; and I&#8217;ve told you THAT before, too. </p>
<p>And, its just plain good hearing from you, again.  I hope you&#8217;re well.  On-subject-speaking&#8230; yes, monetary discrimination (wellbeing inequality) is killing most of humanity and planet.  Its just like the childhood pyramids which always collapse.  Upper 1/3&#8230; heads in the clouds (enjoyment/luxury junkies)&#8230;   and lower 2/3&#8230; crushed by the weight of the world&#8217;s knees in their backs.  There&#8217;s giant pyramids out in the planet&#8217;s sandbox&#8230; built by former civilizations&#8230; as symbols of what we&#8217;re supposed to be studying here.  Pyramiding.  Or, in other words, capitalism.  The ultimate ownershipism rat-race.  Yay.  (not)</p>
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		<title>By: Christophe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christophe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Human sickness is a product of sick social relationships, and human health is a product of healthy social relationships. Replacing class divisions with a cooperative, socialist society would reduce the burden of disease and raise the level of health more than any other measure.

Who will then re-engineer a society that is marked by conspicuously healthy social relationships? Again, this strikes me as harking back to the antiquarian notions of statism, not unlike Stalinist Russia: science at the employ of social organismal health. It does give one pause when contemplating the manner in which a culture would address so much social inequality, without creating more problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Human sickness is a product of sick social relationships, and human health is a product of healthy social relationships. Replacing class divisions with a cooperative, socialist society would reduce the burden of disease and raise the level of health more than any other measure.</p>
<p>Who will then re-engineer a society that is marked by conspicuously healthy social relationships? Again, this strikes me as harking back to the antiquarian notions of statism, not unlike Stalinist Russia: science at the employ of social organismal health. It does give one pause when contemplating the manner in which a culture would address so much social inequality, without creating more problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Christophe</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/11/inequality-the-root-source-of-sickness-in-america/#comment-58376</link>
		<dc:creator>Christophe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, the relation of social power (read: An increase in the options from which one may choose) and morbidity have been postulated in the wild, and with primates in captivity (Alpha-males being less stressed) certainly must also obtain with human communities. The &quot;system&quot; now extant in the U.S. has not fundamentally changed in generations, and I don&#039;t think any changes are forecasted any time soon. There are also stressors that lead to premature death that I think cannot be changed, as so much in the environment cannot be reigned in by political and/or social reform: Stress is ubiquitous. However, again, much of the stress in our polity is really an indication of the functional dysfunction inherent in a dog-eat-dog culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, the relation of social power (read: An increase in the options from which one may choose) and morbidity have been postulated in the wild, and with primates in captivity (Alpha-males being less stressed) certainly must also obtain with human communities. The &#8220;system&#8221; now extant in the U.S. has not fundamentally changed in generations, and I don&#8217;t think any changes are forecasted any time soon. There are also stressors that lead to premature death that I think cannot be changed, as so much in the environment cannot be reigned in by political and/or social reform: Stress is ubiquitous. However, again, much of the stress in our polity is really an indication of the functional dysfunction inherent in a dog-eat-dog culture.</p>
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