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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/11/copenhagen-treaty-premises-and-motivations/#comment-62480</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 01:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey coco and samy, wake up. Taxing the crap out of us and giving it to developing nations will do nothing. The developed nations of the world have already given billions of dollars to the third world to eradicate hunger and poverty, and has proved futile. The money ends up in the hands of the dictators of these nations making them richer while oppressing their citizens more. The Copenhagen treaty is more of the same but on a much larger scale, Throwing money at a problem has never worked, only sound solutions work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey coco and samy, wake up. Taxing the crap out of us and giving it to developing nations will do nothing. The developed nations of the world have already given billions of dollars to the third world to eradicate hunger and poverty, and has proved futile. The money ends up in the hands of the dictators of these nations making them richer while oppressing their citizens more. The Copenhagen treaty is more of the same but on a much larger scale, Throwing money at a problem has never worked, only sound solutions work.</p>
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		<title>By: samy</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/11/copenhagen-treaty-premises-and-motivations/#comment-62358</link>
		<dc:creator>samy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i totally agree! steven harper is no good!
he does should not represent canada!! 
g0 environment!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i totally agree! steven harper is no good!<br />
he does should not represent canada!!<br />
g0 environment!!</p>
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		<title>By: coco</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/11/copenhagen-treaty-premises-and-motivations/#comment-62357</link>
		<dc:creator>coco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>omg!! im soo disapointed in steven harper!!
i honeslty thought he would do something good 4 the environment, i mean, like its the most important thing to think about right now! think about the future generations, and what the animals around the world have to deal with because of our actions!! we should make bigger petitions to stop climate change! whos with me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>omg!! im soo disapointed in steven harper!!<br />
i honeslty thought he would do something good 4 the environment, i mean, like its the most important thing to think about right now! think about the future generations, and what the animals around the world have to deal with because of our actions!! we should make bigger petitions to stop climate change! whos with me?</p>
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		<title>By: Beatrice</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/11/copenhagen-treaty-premises-and-motivations/#comment-62187</link>
		<dc:creator>Beatrice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 04:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to quote gandalf

YOU SHALL NOT PASS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to quote gandalf</p>
<p>YOU SHALL NOT PASS!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark M Aldridge Independent</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/11/copenhagen-treaty-premises-and-motivations/#comment-62062</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark M Aldridge Independent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HopenHagen the land of the confused

What in the world is going on, Copenhagen will end up the laughing stock of the world, there are some 30,000 delegates trying to make sense of hundreds of ongoing news conferences and different meetings, with the uneducated hope of saving the world in one foul swoop.

The draft treaty which I have just tried to read for the forth time, is a repetitive mumble of what could be seen as to many cooks trying to stir the pot, with the goal being to keep Co2 at below 400ppm with the hope of limiting the global temperature from rising any further than 2 % on today’s estimated emissions.

The Treaty goes on to blame drought, lack of food production and the like to Co2 emissions, why have they not considered huge population growth, land clearing and the diversion of food crops towards the production of fuels in the debate astounds me.

Plant growth and tolerance to lower water usage increase along with higher co2 concentrations, yet we are trying to reduce co2 output, makes no sense to me, and with huge population growth how can we divert our inadequate crop production to meet the green fuel agenda let alone ignorance of increased water storage and power production.

Sections of the treaty are reliant on the developing nations receiving financial support from the more industrialized nations like the USA and Australia, on top of that we are expected to reduce emissions by 15 to 20% over the next decade at a huge cost to our economy, while developing nations are free to increase their emissions up until 2020.

The Treaty reads more like a communist style attempt to equally share all our good fortunes with very little actual reduction in global co2 production in the short term.

We lower our emissions while others can increase theirs and we pay a high price to boot, estimated at between 150 and 400 billion dollars, somewhat akin to doubling the GST.

Important issues that seem not to be addresses include who and how do they access any countries Co2 production and associated reductions, the effects to that of our economy, stock markets, retirement and super savings and the like. 

Handing over billions of our hard earned dollars in such hard economic times is one thing, but whom we hand it to and where it ends up are just as important, and I have yet to even address the fact that Co2 caused warming is not based on fact, but rather speculation.

I dare not bring up my skepticism of the cause of warming or whether in fact warming is actually occurring, as I will be disenfranchised as a denier or intolerant of my worlds future, but that is irrelevant, I do support lowering pollution, putting in place measures to address future disasters and investment in clean energy, but only if we do so in an informed and sustainable manner.

To blindly follow in the wake of the information before me, would be a crime in itself, to allow others to determine my country’s future with out regard to our expected democratic processes are in excusable in any ones language.

Trying to holt population growth and deforestation seem of the agenda, increased water storage and collection also seem unimportant to the Copenhagen agenda, helping poorer nations secure adequate food, power and water resources is also not mentioned, all I have seen is the redistribution of money, increased powers over democratic society’s and huge profits for those whom run the system.

The treaty must be read over and over by our political representatives so they make any future decisions based on fact rather than spin and assumptions, I have heard over and over that our green future will create jobs, yet the treaty is clear that all advances in scientific and agricultural findings must be shared equally, so any money we pour into research will not provide much of a financial benefit to our own industries.

Being told by a non elected power to dramatically increase our cost of living and to provide billions of dollars to developing nations, with out any input into how it is spent, while at the same time being forced to survive on around half of what we were used to, based of debatable science is a very stupid move in anyone’s eyes. 

Spending our hard earned taxes on increased supply’s of potable water, clean power generation, sustainable and self reliant food production, would be my first step, a simple but effective way to curb pollution is to introduce a variable rate tax system to reward initiative in the manufacturing sector.

We should expose the myth that population growth is the only way to increase our economic growth and work towards a sustainable future with out the un wanted spin of greedy multinational interests, and then only then can we put our sights on increasing our support of the worlds developing nations, lead by example rather then follow those who might just be headed in the wrong direction.

Mark M Aldridge
Independent Candidate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HopenHagen the land of the confused</p>
<p>What in the world is going on, Copenhagen will end up the laughing stock of the world, there are some 30,000 delegates trying to make sense of hundreds of ongoing news conferences and different meetings, with the uneducated hope of saving the world in one foul swoop.</p>
<p>The draft treaty which I have just tried to read for the forth time, is a repetitive mumble of what could be seen as to many cooks trying to stir the pot, with the goal being to keep Co2 at below 400ppm with the hope of limiting the global temperature from rising any further than 2 % on today’s estimated emissions.</p>
<p>The Treaty goes on to blame drought, lack of food production and the like to Co2 emissions, why have they not considered huge population growth, land clearing and the diversion of food crops towards the production of fuels in the debate astounds me.</p>
<p>Plant growth and tolerance to lower water usage increase along with higher co2 concentrations, yet we are trying to reduce co2 output, makes no sense to me, and with huge population growth how can we divert our inadequate crop production to meet the green fuel agenda let alone ignorance of increased water storage and power production.</p>
<p>Sections of the treaty are reliant on the developing nations receiving financial support from the more industrialized nations like the USA and Australia, on top of that we are expected to reduce emissions by 15 to 20% over the next decade at a huge cost to our economy, while developing nations are free to increase their emissions up until 2020.</p>
<p>The Treaty reads more like a communist style attempt to equally share all our good fortunes with very little actual reduction in global co2 production in the short term.</p>
<p>We lower our emissions while others can increase theirs and we pay a high price to boot, estimated at between 150 and 400 billion dollars, somewhat akin to doubling the GST.</p>
<p>Important issues that seem not to be addresses include who and how do they access any countries Co2 production and associated reductions, the effects to that of our economy, stock markets, retirement and super savings and the like. </p>
<p>Handing over billions of our hard earned dollars in such hard economic times is one thing, but whom we hand it to and where it ends up are just as important, and I have yet to even address the fact that Co2 caused warming is not based on fact, but rather speculation.</p>
<p>I dare not bring up my skepticism of the cause of warming or whether in fact warming is actually occurring, as I will be disenfranchised as a denier or intolerant of my worlds future, but that is irrelevant, I do support lowering pollution, putting in place measures to address future disasters and investment in clean energy, but only if we do so in an informed and sustainable manner.</p>
<p>To blindly follow in the wake of the information before me, would be a crime in itself, to allow others to determine my country’s future with out regard to our expected democratic processes are in excusable in any ones language.</p>
<p>Trying to holt population growth and deforestation seem of the agenda, increased water storage and collection also seem unimportant to the Copenhagen agenda, helping poorer nations secure adequate food, power and water resources is also not mentioned, all I have seen is the redistribution of money, increased powers over democratic society’s and huge profits for those whom run the system.</p>
<p>The treaty must be read over and over by our political representatives so they make any future decisions based on fact rather than spin and assumptions, I have heard over and over that our green future will create jobs, yet the treaty is clear that all advances in scientific and agricultural findings must be shared equally, so any money we pour into research will not provide much of a financial benefit to our own industries.</p>
<p>Being told by a non elected power to dramatically increase our cost of living and to provide billions of dollars to developing nations, with out any input into how it is spent, while at the same time being forced to survive on around half of what we were used to, based of debatable science is a very stupid move in anyone’s eyes. </p>
<p>Spending our hard earned taxes on increased supply’s of potable water, clean power generation, sustainable and self reliant food production, would be my first step, a simple but effective way to curb pollution is to introduce a variable rate tax system to reward initiative in the manufacturing sector.</p>
<p>We should expose the myth that population growth is the only way to increase our economic growth and work towards a sustainable future with out the un wanted spin of greedy multinational interests, and then only then can we put our sights on increasing our support of the worlds developing nations, lead by example rather then follow those who might just be headed in the wrong direction.</p>
<p>Mark M Aldridge<br />
Independent Candidate</p>
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		<title>By: Milton Black - Astrologer</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/11/copenhagen-treaty-premises-and-motivations/#comment-61938</link>
		<dc:creator>Milton Black - Astrologer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Climate Change will continue to be the big issue in December throughout the global community and especially in Copenhagen. With the Jupiter -Neptune planetary aspect forcing climate issues to be debated at the conference by global representatives and government heads and I&#039;m predicting there will be no signed bipartisan agreement reached, only a lot of maybes?

With Mercury and Pluto forming an unsure link in Capricorn from the 6th, the Copenhagen conference will be struggling to come to a signed agreed solution on the issue of how effectively countries can respond to a funded treaty against climate change in the years ahead. In 1992, the United Nations Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro introduced a landmark treaty on climate change that was supposed to stabilize greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere. The idea of the treaty implied that Co2 emissions be reduced no matter what the cost. At that time the agreement was signed and ratified by more than 186 countries, including the United States. This was also followed up in Bonn in 2001, where millions of dollars were supposed to have been agreed too and distributed to third world countries to help subsidise those local economies that were affected by heavy pollution of Co2 emissions from industrialized countries. To date, all past climate change negotiations have either failed or had little effect on greenhouse gas emissions globally and there has been no proof of a detectable rate of emissions growth in the atmosphere? Also, where did all the fund money go? There appears to be no record and or documented accountability of those collected funds and no United Nations authority wants to investigate it. With Neptune (planet of climate and gasses) in transit through Aquarius until February 2012, you can be sure there will be no documentary proof of increased Co2 emissions during this period, thus making the whole emission trading scheme a fiasco and nothing but a big scare tactic and a monetary fraud plan.

The Prime Minister Kevin Rudd is willing to spend around 7.3 billion dollars of tax payers&#039; money to compensate companies through the introduction of a carbon reduction scheme. Tell me, where on earth is this money going to come from? You can rest assured we the general public will be the losers if this in any way occurs, because we (the tax payers) will have to pay for it. The Australian taxpayer will be slaughtered if this legislation became law. We would have higher utilities costs, food, petrol hikes and a severe increase in our overall cost of living, of which the average household could not afford with pending interest rate rises in 2010. Australian companies would either close down or go off shore to survive. Unemployment would rise and the average Australian will be worse off financially.

Carbon emissions such as Co2 account for around 18% globally and Australia&#039;s share is 0.18 %. These have not increased for decades, so what it the problem here? Simple, the ETS plan is nothing but a fraudulent way internationally of making the rich richer and the poor poorer. Will it change the climate……….you must be joking, as the answer is a big fat NO. Will it change the way you and your family live in the future…….Yes, you can bet on that and you will eventually curse the Kevin Rudd government for introducing the scheme. 

Do we want clean fuel……..of course we do, then what about turning to Ethanol, we have some of the best sugar cane country in the world with room for more, but Mr Rudd and his government does not want to know about it? If Brazil can do it……..why can&#039;t we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Climate Change will continue to be the big issue in December throughout the global community and especially in Copenhagen. With the Jupiter -Neptune planetary aspect forcing climate issues to be debated at the conference by global representatives and government heads and I&#8217;m predicting there will be no signed bipartisan agreement reached, only a lot of maybes?</p>
<p>With Mercury and Pluto forming an unsure link in Capricorn from the 6th, the Copenhagen conference will be struggling to come to a signed agreed solution on the issue of how effectively countries can respond to a funded treaty against climate change in the years ahead. In 1992, the United Nations Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro introduced a landmark treaty on climate change that was supposed to stabilize greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere. The idea of the treaty implied that Co2 emissions be reduced no matter what the cost. At that time the agreement was signed and ratified by more than 186 countries, including the United States. This was also followed up in Bonn in 2001, where millions of dollars were supposed to have been agreed too and distributed to third world countries to help subsidise those local economies that were affected by heavy pollution of Co2 emissions from industrialized countries. To date, all past climate change negotiations have either failed or had little effect on greenhouse gas emissions globally and there has been no proof of a detectable rate of emissions growth in the atmosphere? Also, where did all the fund money go? There appears to be no record and or documented accountability of those collected funds and no United Nations authority wants to investigate it. With Neptune (planet of climate and gasses) in transit through Aquarius until February 2012, you can be sure there will be no documentary proof of increased Co2 emissions during this period, thus making the whole emission trading scheme a fiasco and nothing but a big scare tactic and a monetary fraud plan.</p>
<p>The Prime Minister Kevin Rudd is willing to spend around 7.3 billion dollars of tax payers&#8217; money to compensate companies through the introduction of a carbon reduction scheme. Tell me, where on earth is this money going to come from? You can rest assured we the general public will be the losers if this in any way occurs, because we (the tax payers) will have to pay for it. The Australian taxpayer will be slaughtered if this legislation became law. We would have higher utilities costs, food, petrol hikes and a severe increase in our overall cost of living, of which the average household could not afford with pending interest rate rises in 2010. Australian companies would either close down or go off shore to survive. Unemployment would rise and the average Australian will be worse off financially.</p>
<p>Carbon emissions such as Co2 account for around 18% globally and Australia&#8217;s share is 0.18 %. These have not increased for decades, so what it the problem here? Simple, the ETS plan is nothing but a fraudulent way internationally of making the rich richer and the poor poorer. Will it change the climate……….you must be joking, as the answer is a big fat NO. Will it change the way you and your family live in the future…….Yes, you can bet on that and you will eventually curse the Kevin Rudd government for introducing the scheme. </p>
<p>Do we want clean fuel……..of course we do, then what about turning to Ethanol, we have some of the best sugar cane country in the world with room for more, but Mr Rudd and his government does not want to know about it? If Brazil can do it……..why can&#8217;t we?</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Rhodes</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/11/copenhagen-treaty-premises-and-motivations/#comment-61879</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Rhodes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 03:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may backfire on the UN machine as they have now exposed their intentions to a degree not seen before regarding global government.  Americans must wake up.  Yes, there are conspiracies to loot the largest pool of cash is history, The American Taxpayer.  Why is so hard to believe?  There are no theories, just conspiracies.  If any man or group places America in a position to lose our sovereignty, then a successful prosecution with The Death Penalty must be called for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may backfire on the UN machine as they have now exposed their intentions to a degree not seen before regarding global government.  Americans must wake up.  Yes, there are conspiracies to loot the largest pool of cash is history, The American Taxpayer.  Why is so hard to believe?  There are no theories, just conspiracies.  If any man or group places America in a position to lose our sovereignty, then a successful prosecution with The Death Penalty must be called for.</p>
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		<title>By: JR Richmond</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/11/copenhagen-treaty-premises-and-motivations/#comment-61574</link>
		<dc:creator>JR Richmond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 00:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are damn late to the party: our vaunted free press failed us; our free speech was useless without earnest listeners; freedom of religion and/or politics a farce in two time; the popular vote a joke; the conscience of the nation a bawdry tale. When every thing is merely for sale, then the highest bidder takes all. Perhaps the epitaph of &quot;The Great American Experiment&quot; should be, &quot;They Tuned In the Wrong Channel&quot;. In the final hearing, it will be &quot;We the people&quot; who God holds in contempt. JR Richmond</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are damn late to the party: our vaunted free press failed us; our free speech was useless without earnest listeners; freedom of religion and/or politics a farce in two time; the popular vote a joke; the conscience of the nation a bawdry tale. When every thing is merely for sale, then the highest bidder takes all. Perhaps the epitaph of &#8220;The Great American Experiment&#8221; should be, &#8220;They Tuned In the Wrong Channel&#8221;. In the final hearing, it will be &#8220;We the people&#8221; who God holds in contempt. JR Richmond</p>
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		<title>By: Juan Claffinco</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/11/copenhagen-treaty-premises-and-motivations/#comment-61571</link>
		<dc:creator>Juan Claffinco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 23:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plus, I am Irish, and recently we passed the controversial &quot;Lisbon Treaty&quot;. The government used the recession as an excuse to pass the treaty. It was vetoed the first time around (53-47). The government ran a second referendum this October, and backed a massive campaign supporting the treaty which unfortunately was then passed at a shocking 67-33. People can be manipulated so easily, this is going to continue until some sort of massive global collapse, whether it be oil, climate change or something of huge importance to the worldwide economy. In my opinion a disaster of some sort is just what the human race needs, something to blow it back into the stone age and give us all another chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plus, I am Irish, and recently we passed the controversial &#8220;Lisbon Treaty&#8221;. The government used the recession as an excuse to pass the treaty. It was vetoed the first time around (53-47). The government ran a second referendum this October, and backed a massive campaign supporting the treaty which unfortunately was then passed at a shocking 67-33. People can be manipulated so easily, this is going to continue until some sort of massive global collapse, whether it be oil, climate change or something of huge importance to the worldwide economy. In my opinion a disaster of some sort is just what the human race needs, something to blow it back into the stone age and give us all another chance.</p>
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		<title>By: Juan Claffinco</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/11/copenhagen-treaty-premises-and-motivations/#comment-61569</link>
		<dc:creator>Juan Claffinco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 23:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad to see that this was the first result on the page after googling &quot;copenhagen treaty&quot;. I have respect to you and many others who make their opinions public. It feels like we are getting nowhere but where would we be without hope!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad to see that this was the first result on the page after googling &#8220;copenhagen treaty&#8221;. I have respect to you and many others who make their opinions public. It feels like we are getting nowhere but where would we be without hope!</p>
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		<title>By: jubilee</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/11/copenhagen-treaty-premises-and-motivations/#comment-61347</link>
		<dc:creator>jubilee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 03:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for doing such extensive and conclusive research.  I think i was put on this planet to taste the drip of a sweet revolution.  Im happy to know there are people out there that are truly desiring this. Keep writing and keeping us glued!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for doing such extensive and conclusive research.  I think i was put on this planet to taste the drip of a sweet revolution.  Im happy to know there are people out there that are truly desiring this. Keep writing and keeping us glued!</p>
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		<title>By: rachella</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/11/copenhagen-treaty-premises-and-motivations/#comment-61120</link>
		<dc:creator>rachella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 02:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m scared.  I am really scared.  This is insanity.  But the world has always gone down the path of insanity.  And no doubt this generation will be no different.  
I pray it won&#039;t be so, but global warming, oops sorry &quot;climate change&quot;, has been turned into the new world religion and those that dare question it&#039;s VERY questionable &#039;science&#039; are branded &#039;evil&#039;.  
Isn&#039;t the New World Order, the One World Government, and the new &quot;religion&quot; all warned about in Revelations.  Yes.  Methinks I&#039;ll be reading that book again tonight.
Anyway, Australia now has a Govt that panders to political correctness when before it had a Govt that had the courage of its convictions and did what may not be popular but what was right.  And I blame the Eastern bloody states!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m scared.  I am really scared.  This is insanity.  But the world has always gone down the path of insanity.  And no doubt this generation will be no different.<br />
I pray it won&#8217;t be so, but global warming, oops sorry &#8220;climate change&#8221;, has been turned into the new world religion and those that dare question it&#8217;s VERY questionable &#8216;science&#8217; are branded &#8216;evil&#8217;.<br />
Isn&#8217;t the New World Order, the One World Government, and the new &#8220;religion&#8221; all warned about in Revelations.  Yes.  Methinks I&#8217;ll be reading that book again tonight.<br />
Anyway, Australia now has a Govt that panders to political correctness when before it had a Govt that had the courage of its convictions and did what may not be popular but what was right.  And I blame the Eastern bloody states!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/11/copenhagen-treaty-premises-and-motivations/#comment-61058</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one deserves to live under a one world government, hello anybody out there not so much a one World government we are all under now this very day but just who are the deciders come on who? Who controls media, policy, business, our thoughts? The little God&#039;s and they seem to be angry now as in control of an out of control system. There answer illusion, magic and pay no attention to the person behind the curtain all part of the show popcorn, peanuts, candy bars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one deserves to live under a one world government, hello anybody out there not so much a one World government we are all under now this very day but just who are the deciders come on who? Who controls media, policy, business, our thoughts? The little God&#8217;s and they seem to be angry now as in control of an out of control system. There answer illusion, magic and pay no attention to the person behind the curtain all part of the show popcorn, peanuts, candy bars.</p>
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		<title>By: i-miracle</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/11/copenhagen-treaty-premises-and-motivations/#comment-61045</link>
		<dc:creator>i-miracle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can you believe people who have tremendous record of lying. First they lied about 9/11 and then about WMD. All lies. A lying nation is holding the torch with such a confidence to show light and lead other non-lying nations. Its simply amazing!  My friends be aware of tongues that can speak so well that magic faints. what is the guarantee that this time they speak truth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can you believe people who have tremendous record of lying. First they lied about 9/11 and then about WMD. All lies. A lying nation is holding the torch with such a confidence to show light and lead other non-lying nations. Its simply amazing!  My friends be aware of tongues that can speak so well that magic faints. what is the guarantee that this time they speak truth?</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/11/copenhagen-treaty-premises-and-motivations/#comment-60185</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an Australian thanks !! I do not live in America !
And I do not support the UN .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an Australian thanks !! I do not live in America !<br />
And I do not support the UN .</p>
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		<title>By: Shabnam</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/11/copenhagen-treaty-premises-and-motivations/#comment-60087</link>
		<dc:creator>Shabnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>{I think this treaty is a stepping stone for the UN to gain control over the world for it’s own selfish and unfathomable evil motivations !!}

Why do not you say the correct name of responsible party instead of UN?  Who runs the fu*king UN?  It is the UNITED STATES.  Is it that difficult to understand this fact?  Who runs the United States?   It is the fu*king Zionist terrorists and their puppets who run the congress, senate and the WH where have recently   elected a black puppet to prove that they are color blind when are choosing a servant to fool American public.  They are interested in people who can serve zionist interest the best, sacrificing American interest regardless of being white or black.   The black puppet is more useful at this juncture since no White puppet has ever repeated our demand to say &quot;undivided Jerusalem as capital of Israel” like Barak Obama did. 
The American fools must wake up and shake their behind to remove Zionist terrorists and their puppets, white and black, from the power.   You are supporting war and destruction abroad and feeding the zionist terrorists and their puppets in the country.  Stop repeating the right wing analysis of events to make the UN as escape goat.  Only the fools buy this rubbish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>{I think this treaty is a stepping stone for the UN to gain control over the world for it’s own selfish and unfathomable evil motivations !!}</p>
<p>Why do not you say the correct name of responsible party instead of UN?  Who runs the fu*king UN?  It is the UNITED STATES.  Is it that difficult to understand this fact?  Who runs the United States?   It is the fu*king Zionist terrorists and their puppets who run the congress, senate and the WH where have recently   elected a black puppet to prove that they are color blind when are choosing a servant to fool American public.  They are interested in people who can serve zionist interest the best, sacrificing American interest regardless of being white or black.   The black puppet is more useful at this juncture since no White puppet has ever repeated our demand to say &#8220;undivided Jerusalem as capital of Israel” like Barak Obama did.<br />
The American fools must wake up and shake their behind to remove Zionist terrorists and their puppets, white and black, from the power.   You are supporting war and destruction abroad and feeding the zionist terrorists and their puppets in the country.  Stop repeating the right wing analysis of events to make the UN as escape goat.  Only the fools buy this rubbish.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/11/copenhagen-treaty-premises-and-motivations/#comment-60082</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this treaty is a stepping stone for the UN to gain control over the world for it&#039;s own selfish and unfathomable evil motivations !!
How dare they lie to us and expect us to sit back shut up and do as they say ??? 
NOOOO WAY !
Mr Rudd wake up and smell the fishy bussiness going on please !
Are these men that naive to the working of the UN and &quot;Climate Change &#039;
No man can change the climate what a load of crap and any one with half a brain ought to know this !
I do not care what people think about climate change what I do care about is been lied to and our world been set up to have some crazy world government dictate our lives !!!
And as to why Rudd has NOT told fellow Aussies what the hell is going on in Copenhagen does ring alarm bells especially when Alan Jones was told by Lord Monckton first instead of Mr Rudd telling us first ?
I pray Mr Rudd will not sign this as it is dangerous ground if he does and no one deserves to live under a one world government as it is not only a dictatorship but a frightening thought !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this treaty is a stepping stone for the UN to gain control over the world for it&#8217;s own selfish and unfathomable evil motivations !!<br />
How dare they lie to us and expect us to sit back shut up and do as they say ???<br />
NOOOO WAY !<br />
Mr Rudd wake up and smell the fishy bussiness going on please !<br />
Are these men that naive to the working of the UN and &#8220;Climate Change &#8216;<br />
No man can change the climate what a load of crap and any one with half a brain ought to know this !<br />
I do not care what people think about climate change what I do care about is been lied to and our world been set up to have some crazy world government dictate our lives !!!<br />
And as to why Rudd has NOT told fellow Aussies what the hell is going on in Copenhagen does ring alarm bells especially when Alan Jones was told by Lord Monckton first instead of Mr Rudd telling us first ?<br />
I pray Mr Rudd will not sign this as it is dangerous ground if he does and no one deserves to live under a one world government as it is not only a dictatorship but a frightening thought !!</p>
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		<title>By: Annie Ladysmith</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/11/copenhagen-treaty-premises-and-motivations/#comment-59931</link>
		<dc:creator>Annie Ladysmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 08:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To LJ, well taken Sir, you are a good sport, and of course God would rather pour out his love and not the terrible wrath.  Choose life, whatever happens to the climate is of superficial importance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To LJ, well taken Sir, you are a good sport, and of course God would rather pour out his love and not the terrible wrath.  Choose life, whatever happens to the climate is of superficial importance.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve  Pozoglou</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/11/copenhagen-treaty-premises-and-motivations/#comment-59930</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve  Pozoglou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 08:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A friend sent me an email recentlyof a radio interview with Lord Monkton, Radio 2GB.COM.AU.  I couldnt believe what I was hearing. This body of self appointed leaders and lawmakers in a form of world government. This is so possible in todays world where everything is &#039;connected&#039; or being so electronically. Where we sign away our rights as a Democracy. Climate change is really a veil. Everyone should listen to this interview, even read the Copenhagen treaty. Ive never been part of a dictatorship and dont want to be. Lets scream at our leaders NOT to sign. All this Climate change thing was blah blah to me, until now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend sent me an email recentlyof a radio interview with Lord Monkton, Radio 2GB.COM.AU.  I couldnt believe what I was hearing. This body of self appointed leaders and lawmakers in a form of world government. This is so possible in todays world where everything is &#8216;connected&#8217; or being so electronically. Where we sign away our rights as a Democracy. Climate change is really a veil. Everyone should listen to this interview, even read the Copenhagen treaty. Ive never been part of a dictatorship and dont want to be. Lets scream at our leaders NOT to sign. All this Climate change thing was blah blah to me, until now.</p>
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		<title>By: b99</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/11/copenhagen-treaty-premises-and-motivations/#comment-59638</link>
		<dc:creator>b99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LJ -  the politicized science came out of the mouths of those who repeated the words that corporate &#039;scientists&#039; fed them.   Real scientists are measuring actual climate change - it&#039;s real.  Just as millions of humans HAVE starved and ARE starving, and acid rain HAS denuded the forests and HAS killed all life in millions of ponds and lakes around the world, global climate catastrophes ARE manifesting themselves in upheaval and will CONTINUE to do so.  So if politicians are lying - those are your politicians.  And for whatever the Obama Administration is worth - and it might not be much - at least they are not hiring non-degreed hacks to re-write the work of scientists to mesh with the official political position of the Bush Administration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LJ &#8211;  the politicized science came out of the mouths of those who repeated the words that corporate &#8216;scientists&#8217; fed them.   Real scientists are measuring actual climate change &#8211; it&#8217;s real.  Just as millions of humans HAVE starved and ARE starving, and acid rain HAS denuded the forests and HAS killed all life in millions of ponds and lakes around the world, global climate catastrophes ARE manifesting themselves in upheaval and will CONTINUE to do so.  So if politicians are lying &#8211; those are your politicians.  And for whatever the Obama Administration is worth &#8211; and it might not be much &#8211; at least they are not hiring non-degreed hacks to re-write the work of scientists to mesh with the official political position of the Bush Administration.</p>
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