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		<title>By: B99</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/zionism-and-the-oppressor-oppressed-dynamic/#comment-57279</link>
		<dc:creator>B99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 21:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How the Jews won Palestine:

Haifa, Palestine - 12/47. The day after UN RES 181 (11/47), the 75,000 Palestinians of Haifa underwent a joint Hagana/Etzel terror campaign. The Palestinians  were shelled from the hills. Jews rolled barrels full of explosives down the streets. They poured fuel down &amp; ignited it - when alarmed Palestinians  ran out of their homes they were machine-gunned by Jews. Also, Hagana brought cars to Arab repair shops - filled with explosives. These attacks were led by DANI AGMON of the Zionist unit HASHAHAR (&#039;Dawn&#039;).

 Throwing bombs into groups of Arabs was an old Hagana specialty. In Haifa, &#039;47, they threw a bomb into an Arab/Jewish integrated refinery. Arabs who could leave town, did so - and were so advised by British commander Gen. Stockwell - he would not protect them. Operation Scissors (MISPARAYIM) gave away to operation &#039;Cleansing the Leven&#039; (BI&#039;UR HAMETZ), perhaps humanity&#039;s first ethnic cleansing reference, the term ironically taken from the Passover ritual.

The CARMELI BRIGADE of Euro-Jews (led by MORDECHAI MAKLEF) carried out most of the terror. Mizrahi Jews - &#039;of lesser human quality&#039; - were given lesser jobs. Maklef&#039;s orders were to &#039;kill any Arabs you encounter&#039; - burn their homes down. Pals fled to the harbor - Zionist troops looted their homes. Then the Jews shelled the harbor. All this, long before the Arab states &#039;invaded.&#039;

GOLDA MEIER visited the terrorized - now empty homes. Food was still on the table. It reminded her of pogroms in Russia. She got over it - this time it was for a &#039;good cause.&#039; The shelling of the harbor commenced as the Jews blocked Stanton Road and Jews on loudspeakers told them to flee. People fled to boats - overloaded, many sank, killing scores. The Ottoman era architectural gem that was the marketplace was destroyed - today it is Rothschild Hospital.

So a concerted effort to kill the Arabs of Haifa (3&quot; mortars will do the trick) or have them flee the country, worked almost perfectly. Operation &#039;Cleanse the Leven&#039; was a success. Haifa, a major port since the 1600s, and at this time, a center of Arab/Jewish cooperation, was made into a Jewish city overnight. All this BEFORE the Jews declared a state. And to think it started the day after Res.181.

Haifa had been the principal garrison of the Brits - and from which port they soon left forever. So they could have stopped the Zionist massacre campaign. General Stockwell, the top Brit - chose not to - and in this was later defended by Field Marshall Montgomery.

In a plea by the Pals to British General Stockwell, their letter said: We feel distressed and profoundly aggrieved by the lack of sympathy on the part of the British authorities to render aid to the wounded although they have been requested to do so.&quot; How poignant and unassuming this request is. Little did they know the British would aid and abet the ETHNIC CLEANSING of Palestine by the Zionists until the Arabs were dead or gone.

 So what we have is a cold-blooded pre-meditated terror campaign by the Zionists on the integrated city of Haifa - all this beginning in 1947(!) and ending with the Palestinians being bombed, burned and shelled out of their city, many others drowning in overcrowded boats. The Jewish Carmeli Brigade led by Mordechai Maklef carried out these &#039;cleansing (their word) operations, while the Brits gave them a wink and a nod. Maklef went on to become the Israeli Army Chief of Staff.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How the Jews won Palestine:</p>
<p>Haifa, Palestine &#8211; 12/47. The day after UN RES 181 (11/47), the 75,000 Palestinians of Haifa underwent a joint Hagana/Etzel terror campaign. The Palestinians  were shelled from the hills. Jews rolled barrels full of explosives down the streets. They poured fuel down &amp; ignited it &#8211; when alarmed Palestinians  ran out of their homes they were machine-gunned by Jews. Also, Hagana brought cars to Arab repair shops &#8211; filled with explosives. These attacks were led by DANI AGMON of the Zionist unit HASHAHAR (&#8216;Dawn&#8217;).</p>
<p> Throwing bombs into groups of Arabs was an old Hagana specialty. In Haifa, &#8217;47, they threw a bomb into an Arab/Jewish integrated refinery. Arabs who could leave town, did so &#8211; and were so advised by British commander Gen. Stockwell &#8211; he would not protect them. Operation Scissors (MISPARAYIM) gave away to operation &#8216;Cleansing the Leven&#8217; (BI&#8217;UR HAMETZ), perhaps humanity&#8217;s first ethnic cleansing reference, the term ironically taken from the Passover ritual.</p>
<p>The CARMELI BRIGADE of Euro-Jews (led by MORDECHAI MAKLEF) carried out most of the terror. Mizrahi Jews &#8211; &#8216;of lesser human quality&#8217; &#8211; were given lesser jobs. Maklef&#8217;s orders were to &#8216;kill any Arabs you encounter&#8217; &#8211; burn their homes down. Pals fled to the harbor &#8211; Zionist troops looted their homes. Then the Jews shelled the harbor. All this, long before the Arab states &#8216;invaded.&#8217;</p>
<p>GOLDA MEIER visited the terrorized &#8211; now empty homes. Food was still on the table. It reminded her of pogroms in Russia. She got over it &#8211; this time it was for a &#8216;good cause.&#8217; The shelling of the harbor commenced as the Jews blocked Stanton Road and Jews on loudspeakers told them to flee. People fled to boats &#8211; overloaded, many sank, killing scores. The Ottoman era architectural gem that was the marketplace was destroyed &#8211; today it is Rothschild Hospital.</p>
<p>So a concerted effort to kill the Arabs of Haifa (3&#8243; mortars will do the trick) or have them flee the country, worked almost perfectly. Operation &#8216;Cleanse the Leven&#8217; was a success. Haifa, a major port since the 1600s, and at this time, a center of Arab/Jewish cooperation, was made into a Jewish city overnight. All this BEFORE the Jews declared a state. And to think it started the day after Res.181.</p>
<p>Haifa had been the principal garrison of the Brits &#8211; and from which port they soon left forever. So they could have stopped the Zionist massacre campaign. General Stockwell, the top Brit &#8211; chose not to &#8211; and in this was later defended by Field Marshall Montgomery.</p>
<p>In a plea by the Pals to British General Stockwell, their letter said: We feel distressed and profoundly aggrieved by the lack of sympathy on the part of the British authorities to render aid to the wounded although they have been requested to do so.&#8221; How poignant and unassuming this request is. Little did they know the British would aid and abet the ETHNIC CLEANSING of Palestine by the Zionists until the Arabs were dead or gone.</p>
<p> So what we have is a cold-blooded pre-meditated terror campaign by the Zionists on the integrated city of Haifa &#8211; all this beginning in 1947(!) and ending with the Palestinians being bombed, burned and shelled out of their city, many others drowning in overcrowded boats. The Jewish Carmeli Brigade led by Mordechai Maklef carried out these &#8216;cleansing (their word) operations, while the Brits gave them a wink and a nod. Maklef went on to become the Israeli Army Chief of Staff.</p>
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		<title>By: B99</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/zionism-and-the-oppressor-oppressed-dynamic/#comment-57278</link>
		<dc:creator>B99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 21:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[dizzy - the rocket attacks complaint is a charade.  It&#039;s point is to cloak the ongoing genocide of the Palestinians by Israel while it steals their land.  Israel earns those pitiful fireworks.  Outside of Tel Aviv and Washington, this is pretty much understood.  The throw-weight of all Palestinian rocket attacks does not likely equal that of one Israeli missile or tank - never mind the mega-tonnage Israel has dropped on Palestine over the decades in its quest to rid the region of gentiles.

Atrocities abound in this world.  None are so long-lasting as that of Israel, none so systematized, none are race-based as that of Israel, nowhere has anyone installed an Apartheid regime as has Israel, and no country is illegally occupied as is the West Bank illegally occupied by Israel - and none receives the full support of the United States both thru the pocket book and thru diplomatic cover - as does Israel. So this is our obligation - the moral obligation of all who support human justice - that Israel be stopped by any mans necessary.

(note to Jim) - Lebanon defeated Israel a scant three and a half years ago. And as the Jews have taken out on the Palestinians their losses in Nazi occupied Europe, the Jews also took out on the Gazans  their loss to Hazballa.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dizzy &#8211; the rocket attacks complaint is a charade.  It&#8217;s point is to cloak the ongoing genocide of the Palestinians by Israel while it steals their land.  Israel earns those pitiful fireworks.  Outside of Tel Aviv and Washington, this is pretty much understood.  The throw-weight of all Palestinian rocket attacks does not likely equal that of one Israeli missile or tank &#8211; never mind the mega-tonnage Israel has dropped on Palestine over the decades in its quest to rid the region of gentiles.</p>
<p>Atrocities abound in this world.  None are so long-lasting as that of Israel, none so systematized, none are race-based as that of Israel, nowhere has anyone installed an Apartheid regime as has Israel, and no country is illegally occupied as is the West Bank illegally occupied by Israel &#8211; and none receives the full support of the United States both thru the pocket book and thru diplomatic cover &#8211; as does Israel. So this is our obligation &#8211; the moral obligation of all who support human justice &#8211; that Israel be stopped by any mans necessary.</p>
<p>(note to Jim) &#8211; Lebanon defeated Israel a scant three and a half years ago. And as the Jews have taken out on the Palestinians their losses in Nazi occupied Europe, the Jews also took out on the Gazans  their loss to Hazballa.</p>
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		<title>By: deceschi</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/zionism-and-the-oppressor-oppressed-dynamic/#comment-57153</link>
		<dc:creator>deceschi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The UN Council has accepted the Goldstone Report.&quot;

 The morally &quot;upright&quot; supporters of the resolution: in the first place Russia with its atrocities against Georgia, Cecenia and Afghanistan; China with its brutal aggression and colonization of Tibet and its support of dictatorships of the kind of Burma, Iran a.o. plus its repression of domestic minorities;  India with its orchestrated violence against Muslims (example Gujarat 2002); Jordan with its &quot;Black September&quot; in 1970 and its &quot;practices of torture and ill-treatment, as well as the link between torture, unfair trials, and the death penalty&quot; (Amnesty International); Egypt with its corrupted dictatorial and dynastic &quot;democracy&quot;, and so on and so forth ...
But Israel, which before responding to the terror has appealed  repeatedly  but in vain to the UN Council to stop those indiscriminate rocket attacks, Israel, which has finally defended herself  in order to ensure a normal life to its citizens - Israel must now pay the moral bill instead of all the worst criminal states in recent history. The world is hypocritically upside down and this Council can not be taken seriously anymore.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The UN Council has accepted the Goldstone Report.&#8221;</p>
<p> The morally &#8220;upright&#8221; supporters of the resolution: in the first place Russia with its atrocities against Georgia, Cecenia and Afghanistan; China with its brutal aggression and colonization of Tibet and its support of dictatorships of the kind of Burma, Iran a.o. plus its repression of domestic minorities;  India with its orchestrated violence against Muslims (example Gujarat 2002); Jordan with its &#8220;Black September&#8221; in 1970 and its &#8220;practices of torture and ill-treatment, as well as the link between torture, unfair trials, and the death penalty&#8221; (Amnesty International); Egypt with its corrupted dictatorial and dynastic &#8220;democracy&#8221;, and so on and so forth &#8230;<br />
But Israel, which before responding to the terror has appealed  repeatedly  but in vain to the UN Council to stop those indiscriminate rocket attacks, Israel, which has finally defended herself  in order to ensure a normal life to its citizens &#8211; Israel must now pay the moral bill instead of all the worst criminal states in recent history. The world is hypocritically upside down and this Council can not be taken seriously anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/zionism-and-the-oppressor-oppressed-dynamic/#comment-57120</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The UN Council has accepted the Goldstone Report.

The US voted against and the mealy mouthed UK &#039;decided not to participate&#039; which is apparently different from abstaining.  No surprise there then from those Zionist supporting governments.

UN votes to endorse Gaza report 

The UN human rights body has endorsed a report into Israel&#039;s offensive in Gaza which accuses both Israel and Palestinian militants of war crimes. 

The report by Richard Goldstone calls for credible investigations by Israel and Hamas, and international war crimes prosecutions if they fail to do that. 

Both Israel and the US opposed endorsement of the report, saying it would set back Middle East peace hopes. 

The vote was 25 to six for the resolution. Eleven countries abstained. 

The Palestinian Authority initially backed deferring a vote, but changed its position after domestic criticism. 

The US has dubbed the report &quot;flawed&quot;, but has still urged - along with the UK and France - both sides to launch independent investigations. 

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is reported to have urged UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown to vote against the report in a 30-minute telephone conversation on Thursday night. 


 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/middle_east/8310754.stm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The UN Council has accepted the Goldstone Report.</p>
<p>The US voted against and the mealy mouthed UK &#8216;decided not to participate&#8217; which is apparently different from abstaining.  No surprise there then from those Zionist supporting governments.</p>
<p>UN votes to endorse Gaza report </p>
<p>The UN human rights body has endorsed a report into Israel&#8217;s offensive in Gaza which accuses both Israel and Palestinian militants of war crimes. </p>
<p>The report by Richard Goldstone calls for credible investigations by Israel and Hamas, and international war crimes prosecutions if they fail to do that. </p>
<p>Both Israel and the US opposed endorsement of the report, saying it would set back Middle East peace hopes. </p>
<p>The vote was 25 to six for the resolution. Eleven countries abstained. </p>
<p>The Palestinian Authority initially backed deferring a vote, but changed its position after domestic criticism. </p>
<p>The US has dubbed the report &#8220;flawed&#8221;, but has still urged &#8211; along with the UK and France &#8211; both sides to launch independent investigations. </p>
<p>Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is reported to have urged UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown to vote against the report in a 30-minute telephone conversation on Thursday night. </p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/middle_east/8310754.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/middle_east/8310754.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: AquaTarkus</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/zionism-and-the-oppressor-oppressed-dynamic/#comment-57108</link>
		<dc:creator>AquaTarkus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Greetings everyone. Just minor explanations concerning several comments made here. First the are only three ethnic branches that stemmed from the former Khazar Kingdom: the Ahskenazim, the Sephardim and the Mizrahi. Haskalah was a middle to late 18th century movement by western ashkenazim labeled as enlightenment. Simply wanting to integrate into Western Europe eliminating the Russian discourse. It is not a branch. Secondly Semitic is a semantic linguistic concept only. Refers to the group of Afro-Asiatic languages. Read older dictionaries. The new ones are Zionist published. You can clearly see it does not include genetics or bloodlines. Nobody is that within the Human Species. Just used for standard Zionist propaganda. As for the ethnic misnomer that sounds very much like the second person singular in English, the first time that it ever, saw the light of writing, was in Richard Brinsley Sheridan comedy &quot;The Rivals&quot; . You may check Ben Freedman&#039;s article Facts are Facts. He discusses there how it appeared in the play in 1775.  Also besides the misnomer it produced the new word Malapropism. The real ethnic title of the people living there until Emperor Hadrian and his main General Julius Severus made their DNA disappear in 135 CE were called JUDEANS. Yes you are reading correctly JUDEANS. They were locals from Canaan and Arab looking dark skin. No white people inhibited Judea back then. Since Arthur Koestler&#039;s book was mentioned here read it, in case you have not. By the way he was never contested. Of course he was murdered. The Z mafia said it was suicide. Yeah right. All three branches are white people that never had any ancestors in the land of Canaan. Don&#039;t worry I&#039;m a half-sephardic(mother side)so I know full well what I&#039;m talking about. Take care everyone. After all the Zionist vermin days are almost over. Yes they are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings everyone. Just minor explanations concerning several comments made here. First the are only three ethnic branches that stemmed from the former Khazar Kingdom: the Ahskenazim, the Sephardim and the Mizrahi. Haskalah was a middle to late 18th century movement by western ashkenazim labeled as enlightenment. Simply wanting to integrate into Western Europe eliminating the Russian discourse. It is not a branch. Secondly Semitic is a semantic linguistic concept only. Refers to the group of Afro-Asiatic languages. Read older dictionaries. The new ones are Zionist published. You can clearly see it does not include genetics or bloodlines. Nobody is that within the Human Species. Just used for standard Zionist propaganda. As for the ethnic misnomer that sounds very much like the second person singular in English, the first time that it ever, saw the light of writing, was in Richard Brinsley Sheridan comedy &#8220;The Rivals&#8221; . You may check Ben Freedman&#8217;s article Facts are Facts. He discusses there how it appeared in the play in 1775.  Also besides the misnomer it produced the new word Malapropism. The real ethnic title of the people living there until Emperor Hadrian and his main General Julius Severus made their DNA disappear in 135 CE were called JUDEANS. Yes you are reading correctly JUDEANS. They were locals from Canaan and Arab looking dark skin. No white people inhibited Judea back then. Since Arthur Koestler&#8217;s book was mentioned here read it, in case you have not. By the way he was never contested. Of course he was murdered. The Z mafia said it was suicide. Yeah right. All three branches are white people that never had any ancestors in the land of Canaan. Don&#8217;t worry I&#8217;m a half-sephardic(mother side)so I know full well what I&#8217;m talking about. Take care everyone. After all the Zionist vermin days are almost over. Yes they are.</p>
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		<title>By: deceschi</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/zionism-and-the-oppressor-oppressed-dynamic/#comment-57100</link>
		<dc:creator>deceschi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I suggest that the situation of Native-Americans and Palestinians are not comparable vis a vis their ‘occupiers’ as the goals of the native movements are different.

Which is to say we should support Native-American goals just as we should support Native-Palestinian goals, but we should not try to pretend they have the same goals.&quot;

Exactly: the native-Americans don&#039;t aim to destroy the immigrants from all around the world, since as minority they have no power and no chance against the overwhelming majority of the &#039;occupiers&#039;. Their goal is to keep alive their mistreated traditions and a minimum of human dignity in front of the enormous catastrophe occurred to their people. 
The goal of the Palestinians is different, indeed. They belong still to the majority of their people, the Arabs, who look  at the tiny Jewish country as a foreign element in its body. So the Palestinians are victims and at the same time executioners: victims because they are, despite the &quot;great&quot; Arab nation behind, the weak link in the struggle between the antagonist parties, falling between a rock and a hard place; executioners because they identify with and totally embody the Arab and Islamic goals towards Israel, that still means  the defeat and disintegration of the jewish state. 
As a matter of fact, the Palestinian desire for self-determination will only and only then succeed when it will be completely freed from the yoke of the Arab world, which uses its Palestinian brothers as a hostage and spearhead against the sworn enemy. But since this is quite unlikely as well as a change of attitude of the Arab big brothers, the struggle will continue until the bitter end. This also differs from the Native Americans, definitely the true losers of history.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I suggest that the situation of Native-Americans and Palestinians are not comparable vis a vis their ‘occupiers’ as the goals of the native movements are different.</p>
<p>Which is to say we should support Native-American goals just as we should support Native-Palestinian goals, but we should not try to pretend they have the same goals.&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly: the native-Americans don&#8217;t aim to destroy the immigrants from all around the world, since as minority they have no power and no chance against the overwhelming majority of the &#8216;occupiers&#8217;. Their goal is to keep alive their mistreated traditions and a minimum of human dignity in front of the enormous catastrophe occurred to their people.<br />
The goal of the Palestinians is different, indeed. They belong still to the majority of their people, the Arabs, who look  at the tiny Jewish country as a foreign element in its body. So the Palestinians are victims and at the same time executioners: victims because they are, despite the &#8220;great&#8221; Arab nation behind, the weak link in the struggle between the antagonist parties, falling between a rock and a hard place; executioners because they identify with and totally embody the Arab and Islamic goals towards Israel, that still means  the defeat and disintegration of the jewish state.<br />
As a matter of fact, the Palestinian desire for self-determination will only and only then succeed when it will be completely freed from the yoke of the Arab world, which uses its Palestinian brothers as a hostage and spearhead against the sworn enemy. But since this is quite unlikely as well as a change of attitude of the Arab big brothers, the struggle will continue until the bitter end. This also differs from the Native Americans, definitely the true losers of history.</p>
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		<title>By: b99</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/zionism-and-the-oppressor-oppressed-dynamic/#comment-57097</link>
		<dc:creator>b99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kim Said- 

&quot;Another point: we non-Indigenous peoples who live on Turtle Island must not assume that we are better than Zionists since we colonists/settlers/immigrants live on a land acquired through genocide and dispossession of the Original Peoples. That is something we had best bear in mind when criticizing Zionists and something we should rectify first.&quot;

That we live on a stolen continent does not mean that Jews/Zionists can rightfully do same - nor does it mean that Israel (and the US relationship to Israel) are outside of criticism.  Perhaps more importantly, we non-indigenous have to consider the political aspirations of native populations and work to (or at least support)  achieving it.  I suggest that the situation of Native-Americans and Palestinians are not comparable vis a vis their &#039;occupiers&#039; as the goals of the native movements are different.  

Which is to say we should support Native-American goals just as we should support Native-Palestinian goals, but we should not try to pretend they have the same goals.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim Said- </p>
<p>&#8220;Another point: we non-Indigenous peoples who live on Turtle Island must not assume that we are better than Zionists since we colonists/settlers/immigrants live on a land acquired through genocide and dispossession of the Original Peoples. That is something we had best bear in mind when criticizing Zionists and something we should rectify first.&#8221;</p>
<p>That we live on a stolen continent does not mean that Jews/Zionists can rightfully do same &#8211; nor does it mean that Israel (and the US relationship to Israel) are outside of criticism.  Perhaps more importantly, we non-indigenous have to consider the political aspirations of native populations and work to (or at least support)  achieving it.  I suggest that the situation of Native-Americans and Palestinians are not comparable vis a vis their &#8216;occupiers&#8217; as the goals of the native movements are different.  </p>
<p>Which is to say we should support Native-American goals just as we should support Native-Palestinian goals, but we should not try to pretend they have the same goals.</p>
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		<title>By: b99</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/zionism-and-the-oppressor-oppressed-dynamic/#comment-57094</link>
		<dc:creator>b99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, Zionism should not be conflated with Judaism - the first is a political ideology, the second a religion.  The problem is that so many Jews (likely the vast majority) , observent or not, subscribe to zionism - or its real world manifestation, Israel - to varying degrees.  (Having to point to Naturei Karta for the exception only serves to make this point). Thus we can often speak of Jews just as we would speak of Palestinians - without feeling we need to caveat those Jews who are not zionists (or those Palestinian ultra-nationalists who would like to see all Jews expelled from the region).   
Now, of course, we could refer to Israelis, but requires overlooking the fact that so much of the support for Israel comes from America&#039;s Israel-Firsters, and also requires overlooking the fact that one-fifth of Israel&#039;s population is not Jewish.  
So I would say we should refer to Jews in the instances where if we were to substitute another group in a similar situation it would make sense.  It is when we are referring to zionists, as opposed to non-zionists or anti-zionists that we are obliged to use this expression instead.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Zionism should not be conflated with Judaism &#8211; the first is a political ideology, the second a religion.  The problem is that so many Jews (likely the vast majority) , observent or not, subscribe to zionism &#8211; or its real world manifestation, Israel &#8211; to varying degrees.  (Having to point to Naturei Karta for the exception only serves to make this point). Thus we can often speak of Jews just as we would speak of Palestinians &#8211; without feeling we need to caveat those Jews who are not zionists (or those Palestinian ultra-nationalists who would like to see all Jews expelled from the region).<br />
Now, of course, we could refer to Israelis, but requires overlooking the fact that so much of the support for Israel comes from America&#8217;s Israel-Firsters, and also requires overlooking the fact that one-fifth of Israel&#8217;s population is not Jewish.<br />
So I would say we should refer to Jews in the instances where if we were to substitute another group in a similar situation it would make sense.  It is when we are referring to zionists, as opposed to non-zionists or anti-zionists that we are obliged to use this expression instead.</p>
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		<title>By: john andrews</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/zionism-and-the-oppressor-oppressed-dynamic/#comment-57085</link>
		<dc:creator>john andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kim,

You&#039;re absolutely right. Anyone who thinks zioinism and Judaism are the same thing really ought to keep quiet as all they&#039;re doing is displaying an incredible level of ignorance - or they must have some direct personal interest in the zionist theft of Palestine.

Your point that we&#039;re all immigrants from somewhere is fair enough, but I think it&#039;s a mistake to claim that that needs rectifying before criticising zionists. If we waited until all civilisation rectified their origins before condemning zionism the zionists would never hear another word of complaint for as long as they live. They should wish.

I think the essential difference between colonial zionism and the modern history of the rest of the &#039;new&#039; world is the recent creation of the notion of intenational law. When the colonies of the &#039;new&#039; world were established there was no law to suggest the colonists were doing anything wrong; which is why they recruited the priests: to provide the moral justification for their crimes.

(There&#039;s quite an interesting bit in Wealth of Nations where Adam Smith makes this very point. Describing Columbus&#039; efforts to finance his adventures Smith writes:
 &quot;…the council of Castile determined to take possession of countries of which the inhabitants were plainly incapable of defending themselves. The pious purpose of converting them to Christianity sanctified the injustice of the project.&quot;)

International law vaguely recognises that the zionist colonisation of Palestine is wrong - in other words we recognise it as a crime now, while it&#039;s happening. This crime hasn&#039;t needed the passage of a few hundred years to identify it as a crime - a period of time when both the criminals and their victims are long past any hope of justice. 

The zionist colonial project must be identified and internationally recognised as a crime against humanity now, while it is happening, so that the Palestinian right to return to their land is never lost, and that the colonist settlers are never under any illusions that their crimes are accepted for anything other than exactly that - crimes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right. Anyone who thinks zioinism and Judaism are the same thing really ought to keep quiet as all they&#8217;re doing is displaying an incredible level of ignorance &#8211; or they must have some direct personal interest in the zionist theft of Palestine.</p>
<p>Your point that we&#8217;re all immigrants from somewhere is fair enough, but I think it&#8217;s a mistake to claim that that needs rectifying before criticising zionists. If we waited until all civilisation rectified their origins before condemning zionism the zionists would never hear another word of complaint for as long as they live. They should wish.</p>
<p>I think the essential difference between colonial zionism and the modern history of the rest of the &#8216;new&#8217; world is the recent creation of the notion of intenational law. When the colonies of the &#8216;new&#8217; world were established there was no law to suggest the colonists were doing anything wrong; which is why they recruited the priests: to provide the moral justification for their crimes.</p>
<p>(There&#8217;s quite an interesting bit in Wealth of Nations where Adam Smith makes this very point. Describing Columbus&#8217; efforts to finance his adventures Smith writes:<br />
 &#8220;…the council of Castile determined to take possession of countries of which the inhabitants were plainly incapable of defending themselves. The pious purpose of converting them to Christianity sanctified the injustice of the project.&#8221;)</p>
<p>International law vaguely recognises that the zionist colonisation of Palestine is wrong &#8211; in other words we recognise it as a crime now, while it&#8217;s happening. This crime hasn&#8217;t needed the passage of a few hundred years to identify it as a crime &#8211; a period of time when both the criminals and their victims are long past any hope of justice. </p>
<p>The zionist colonial project must be identified and internationally recognised as a crime against humanity now, while it is happening, so that the Palestinian right to return to their land is never lost, and that the colonist settlers are never under any illusions that their crimes are accepted for anything other than exactly that &#8211; crimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Petersen</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/zionism-and-the-oppressor-oppressed-dynamic/#comment-57084</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Petersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Trying to steer the discussion to Judaism = Zionism is wrong and serves no good purpose. The exact same argument could easily be asserted that Christianity = Zionism.  The entirety of Jews must not be stereotyped.  Jews may have some basic tribalism, but they are not a monolith. For evidence, one needs only point to Neturei Karta who reject Zionism.

Another point: we non-Indigenous peoples who live on Turtle Island must not assume that we are better than Zionists since we colonists/settlers/immigrants live on a land acquired through genocide and dispossession of the Original Peoples. That is something we had best bear in mind when criticizing Zionists and something we should rectify first.

The point is to end the dispossession, the oppression, the dehumanization.  Understanding what fuels the dispossession, oppression, and dehumanization is important insofar as putting and end to it all and beginning the rehumanization of everyone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trying to steer the discussion to Judaism = Zionism is wrong and serves no good purpose. The exact same argument could easily be asserted that Christianity = Zionism.  The entirety of Jews must not be stereotyped.  Jews may have some basic tribalism, but they are not a monolith. For evidence, one needs only point to Neturei Karta who reject Zionism.</p>
<p>Another point: we non-Indigenous peoples who live on Turtle Island must not assume that we are better than Zionists since we colonists/settlers/immigrants live on a land acquired through genocide and dispossession of the Original Peoples. That is something we had best bear in mind when criticizing Zionists and something we should rectify first.</p>
<p>The point is to end the dispossession, the oppression, the dehumanization.  Understanding what fuels the dispossession, oppression, and dehumanization is important insofar as putting and end to it all and beginning the rehumanization of everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Concrete man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Concrete man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good job Kim, and important book. That said (that said!), the idea that Zionism is not Judaism and Judaism is not Zionism is sheer poppycock, hair splitting (splitting headache) rubbish. Rense constantly chants this refrain as well. Please read Michael Collins Piper, The New Babylon; Michael A. Hoffman, Judaism Discovered. There is alot of disinfo out there that wants us to believe that the Jews are innocent while the Zionists are not, because we don&#039;t want to hurt Jewish feelings. Bullocks, let&#039;s hurt their feelings and the feelings of the dumb Christian Zionists all together. Their insensitivity is DESTROYING what&#039;s left of the world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good job Kim, and important book. That said (that said!), the idea that Zionism is not Judaism and Judaism is not Zionism is sheer poppycock, hair splitting (splitting headache) rubbish. Rense constantly chants this refrain as well. Please read Michael Collins Piper, The New Babylon; Michael A. Hoffman, Judaism Discovered. There is alot of disinfo out there that wants us to believe that the Jews are innocent while the Zionists are not, because we don&#8217;t want to hurt Jewish feelings. Bullocks, let&#8217;s hurt their feelings and the feelings of the dumb Christian Zionists all together. Their insensitivity is DESTROYING what&#8217;s left of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: oPL</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/zionism-and-the-oppressor-oppressed-dynamic/#comment-57072</link>
		<dc:creator>oPL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Steve Pallister,

Please make sure you read who enters which commentary, before addressing your own.

I have no opinion on the origins of the Ashkenazi jews, but let me just say that one is a convert only if he makes that decision himself, not his great great great great great grandparents.

The core of the problem is that someone can claim a piece of real estate by virtue of their religion.

I&#039;m gonna convert and give my alliance to the god of cheek, and then will demand from my bank to condone my mortgage, thus is the word of my god. That would be cool!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Steve Pallister,</p>
<p>Please make sure you read who enters which commentary, before addressing your own.</p>
<p>I have no opinion on the origins of the Ashkenazi jews, but let me just say that one is a convert only if he makes that decision himself, not his great great great great great grandparents.</p>
<p>The core of the problem is that someone can claim a piece of real estate by virtue of their religion.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m gonna convert and give my alliance to the god of cheek, and then will demand from my bank to condone my mortgage, thus is the word of my god. That would be cool!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Pallister</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/zionism-and-the-oppressor-oppressed-dynamic/#comment-57070</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Pallister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oPL 

It is NOT a theory that Ashkenazi Jews are converts, it is a well established fact. you are just missing the facts. It didn;t happen inside the time frame you describe, but around 700 years ago. It is the subject of Athur Koestler&#039;s &quot;The 13th Tribe&quot; and of Shlomo Sand&#039;s recent work, yet to be trasnlated to English but which is a best seller in Israel and France, &quot;When and How were the Jewish People Invented?&quot;

The original Israelites, wo were not called Jews at any time actually, remained in Palestine after the short lived and failed state of Israel was ended by the Romans and the Pharisees cast out. Those descendents of the original Israelites still lived in Palestine when the European converts started arriving in the 1920s, with their supremacist ideas and general nasty habits. Indeed most of them had converted to the Druze faith or Christianity or Islam in the intervening years, but they do own the most likely genetic heritage of the original Israelites, who were themselves just an addition to the existing much older peoples living there at the time.

Ironically if this is applied to the Bible and Torah, then the whole prophecy is coming true, but the Israelites suffering are not the ones meting it out after all, they are then the ones called Palestinians today. The Zionists are the marauders who were still making life hard for their neighbors as brutal dangerous mercenaries to the west back then and they had no religion, save greed and brutality. The Khazars had an interesting history if an unpopular one which eventially had a forced conversion of Judaism, by their King or Khan who decreed it. They embraced the possibilities for their natural tendency to seek profit from others&#039; efforts and to play the money lender, middle man, trading facilitator, which essentially amounted to protection money paid to avoid being robbed by Khazar raiders who of course raided anyone who didn;t pay protection. They could do this due to a geographic situation which put them at the crossroads of the major trading routes in the area. Eventually their ancestors became the modern Georgians and contributed large parts of the population to other Eastern European nations over time with migration and still more conversions. The Pharisees in their turn, carry their Talmudic guidestone and keep on moving forward with their many thousands of years old plan of domination. Having watched them these many years, life after life I am concerned. They do not diminish anytime, they remain like a serpent at the bottom of the human garden, generation after generation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oPL </p>
<p>It is NOT a theory that Ashkenazi Jews are converts, it is a well established fact. you are just missing the facts. It didn;t happen inside the time frame you describe, but around 700 years ago. It is the subject of Athur Koestler&#8217;s &#8220;The 13th Tribe&#8221; and of Shlomo Sand&#8217;s recent work, yet to be trasnlated to English but which is a best seller in Israel and France, &#8220;When and How were the Jewish People Invented?&#8221;</p>
<p>The original Israelites, wo were not called Jews at any time actually, remained in Palestine after the short lived and failed state of Israel was ended by the Romans and the Pharisees cast out. Those descendents of the original Israelites still lived in Palestine when the European converts started arriving in the 1920s, with their supremacist ideas and general nasty habits. Indeed most of them had converted to the Druze faith or Christianity or Islam in the intervening years, but they do own the most likely genetic heritage of the original Israelites, who were themselves just an addition to the existing much older peoples living there at the time.</p>
<p>Ironically if this is applied to the Bible and Torah, then the whole prophecy is coming true, but the Israelites suffering are not the ones meting it out after all, they are then the ones called Palestinians today. The Zionists are the marauders who were still making life hard for their neighbors as brutal dangerous mercenaries to the west back then and they had no religion, save greed and brutality. The Khazars had an interesting history if an unpopular one which eventially had a forced conversion of Judaism, by their King or Khan who decreed it. They embraced the possibilities for their natural tendency to seek profit from others&#8217; efforts and to play the money lender, middle man, trading facilitator, which essentially amounted to protection money paid to avoid being robbed by Khazar raiders who of course raided anyone who didn;t pay protection. They could do this due to a geographic situation which put them at the crossroads of the major trading routes in the area. Eventually their ancestors became the modern Georgians and contributed large parts of the population to other Eastern European nations over time with migration and still more conversions. The Pharisees in their turn, carry their Talmudic guidestone and keep on moving forward with their many thousands of years old plan of domination. Having watched them these many years, life after life I am concerned. They do not diminish anytime, they remain like a serpent at the bottom of the human garden, generation after generation.</p>
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		<title>By: john andrews</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/zionism-and-the-oppressor-oppressed-dynamic/#comment-57069</link>
		<dc:creator>john andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alan Hart,

Congratulations on publishing your book. I hope it sells well.

I do realise that Zionist leaders have about as much personal belief in the view that God gave them Palestine as previous popes have had personal belief in chastity. My earlier point was not aimed at them. Such people cannot be reached with rational argument, they can only be crushed. My point was aimed at the masses.

&#039;Leaders&#039; have always used religion to provide the moral justification for their excesses in order to enforce the support of otherwise usually reluctant populations. The God-gave-us-Palestine myth being well and truly in that category. By trying to expose the ridiculousness of that position the hope is to destroy the PR value of the myth. Obviously it is a wasted exercise on the leaders themselves.

I think maybe the real reason that religious myths are not directly confronted and exposed more often is because of that fact - that most &#039;leaders&#039; like to be able to resort to the priests for moral support when their crimes risk public exposure; so it&#039;s never in their interests to attack the God-myth.

sid wright,

As an agnostic rather than an atheist I&#039;m perfectly prepared to accept the existence of some sort of God - if it can be rationally proven. My position is not that God does not exist, merely that the existence of God has not been proven. They&#039;re two very different views.

But what I am pretty sure about is that no particular religion has any better insight on the subject than any other; and therefore that they should all be kept at arm&#039;s length.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan Hart,</p>
<p>Congratulations on publishing your book. I hope it sells well.</p>
<p>I do realise that Zionist leaders have about as much personal belief in the view that God gave them Palestine as previous popes have had personal belief in chastity. My earlier point was not aimed at them. Such people cannot be reached with rational argument, they can only be crushed. My point was aimed at the masses.</p>
<p>&#8216;Leaders&#8217; have always used religion to provide the moral justification for their excesses in order to enforce the support of otherwise usually reluctant populations. The God-gave-us-Palestine myth being well and truly in that category. By trying to expose the ridiculousness of that position the hope is to destroy the PR value of the myth. Obviously it is a wasted exercise on the leaders themselves.</p>
<p>I think maybe the real reason that religious myths are not directly confronted and exposed more often is because of that fact &#8211; that most &#8216;leaders&#8217; like to be able to resort to the priests for moral support when their crimes risk public exposure; so it&#8217;s never in their interests to attack the God-myth.</p>
<p>sid wright,</p>
<p>As an agnostic rather than an atheist I&#8217;m perfectly prepared to accept the existence of some sort of God &#8211; if it can be rationally proven. My position is not that God does not exist, merely that the existence of God has not been proven. They&#8217;re two very different views.</p>
<p>But what I am pretty sure about is that no particular religion has any better insight on the subject than any other; and therefore that they should all be kept at arm&#8217;s length.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Attempting to make a distinction between Judaism and Zionism is just plain ridiculous. 

Go read the Torah. The central theme is a struggle to create a nation of Zion on stolen land.

Zionism is nothing more than the political expression of Judaism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attempting to make a distinction between Judaism and Zionism is just plain ridiculous. </p>
<p>Go read the Torah. The central theme is a struggle to create a nation of Zion on stolen land.</p>
<p>Zionism is nothing more than the political expression of Judaism.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Zionism,the real enemy of the jews

The perfect to put the difference between Zionism and the Jews.

It plays out perfectly like the scene from the movie:The Godfather 2

But

This time it&#039;ll be Fredo saying:
I know it was you,Don.You broke my heart,You broke my heart]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zionism,the real enemy of the jews</p>
<p>The perfect to put the difference between Zionism and the Jews.</p>
<p>It plays out perfectly like the scene from the movie:The Godfather 2</p>
<p>But</p>
<p>This time it&#8217;ll be Fredo saying:<br />
I know it was you,Don.You broke my heart,You broke my heart</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Mullen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Mullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Christians and Jews have been fighting and killing one another for 2000 years, and Christians and Jews have been killing Christians and Jews for about that length of time too. The Jews killed Christ and of course he was a Jew at the time. And Christian France and Christian England fought each other for centuries and when that was over, Christian England destroyed Christian Germany twice with a huge help from the largely very much Jewish influenced USA under Wilson and again under the equally Jewish influenced FDR, with the help of the equally Jewish influenced Russia of WW2. And as you know, the Zionist State of Israel is about as Jewish the American leaders are Christian. 

What’s the point? That mankind is a vicious, greedy cold blooded, lying,  killer and will kill anything or anybody to get what he wants regardless of any religions that may exist at the time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christians and Jews have been fighting and killing one another for 2000 years, and Christians and Jews have been killing Christians and Jews for about that length of time too. The Jews killed Christ and of course he was a Jew at the time. And Christian France and Christian England fought each other for centuries and when that was over, Christian England destroyed Christian Germany twice with a huge help from the largely very much Jewish influenced USA under Wilson and again under the equally Jewish influenced FDR, with the help of the equally Jewish influenced Russia of WW2. And as you know, the Zionist State of Israel is about as Jewish the American leaders are Christian. </p>
<p>What’s the point? That mankind is a vicious, greedy cold blooded, lying,  killer and will kill anything or anybody to get what he wants regardless of any religions that may exist at the time.</p>
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		<title>By: tsk_tsk</title>
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		<dc:creator>tsk_tsk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A much needed book, no doubt! I shall try and find it in Moscow where I live. I hope many people buy it. When it says, &#039;One million copies sold&#039; at the back of the Nth edition, then it might come easier to break free from the circle of corruption, fear, and violence which Zionism and the manipulation of Zionism have amplified and amplified during the last one hundred years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A much needed book, no doubt! I shall try and find it in Moscow where I live. I hope many people buy it. When it says, &#8216;One million copies sold&#8217; at the back of the Nth edition, then it might come easier to break free from the circle of corruption, fear, and violence which Zionism and the manipulation of Zionism have amplified and amplified during the last one hundred years.</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/zionism-and-the-oppressor-oppressed-dynamic/#comment-57052</link>
		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Zionist ideology is PURE EVIL, it matters not if you are a Christian Zionist or a Zionist from Israel,  it is all EVIL
they were traitors during WW2 ,  zionists help the Nazi Germans to liquidate the Jewish people, it is not a religion but a political idealogy, nothing more and it will kill most innocent jews because of it&#039;s actions

some websites that explain how evil Zionist are.....

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

http://www.nkusa.org/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zionist ideology is PURE EVIL, it matters not if you are a Christian Zionist or a Zionist from Israel,  it is all EVIL<br />
they were traitors during WW2 ,  zionists help the Nazi Germans to liquidate the Jewish people, it is not a religion but a political idealogy, nothing more and it will kill most innocent jews because of it&#8217;s actions</p>
<p>some websites that explain how evil Zionist are&#8230;..</p>
<p><a href="http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.nkusa.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nkusa.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: dan e</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hart&#039;s book sounds like a good intro to the subject, but he is wildly wrong if he thinks KKK-sympathizer Woodrow Wilson was some kind of a &quot;statesman&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hart&#8217;s book sounds like a good intro to the subject, but he is wildly wrong if he thinks KKK-sympathizer Woodrow Wilson was some kind of a &#8220;statesman&#8221;.</p>
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