Comments on: The Zionist Operation Was a Success, the Jewish Patients Died

By: kalidas

kalidas — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 15:29:21 +0000

“Kalidas, I wasn’t being sarcastic at all. Much -though not all- of the serious Holocaust research is carried out in Israeli institutions.”

Yes, I’m sure it is.
Foremost of these Israeli institutions being banks.

By: kalidas

kalidas — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 15:26:36 +0000

Jon, the Dutch moon rock is the King David temple pomegranate of space exploration.
You know, a fake, a fraud, a crock.

Up next, the discovery on the moon of the Dead Sea of Tranquility scrolls, proving beyond the dark side of a doubt that the “ancient astronauts” were indeed one of the many lost tribes of Israel.

I never had a doubt about it!

By: Michael Kenny

Michael Kenny — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 13:21:51 +0000

Two comments: first of all, there has been a spate of studies in the last few years claiming to be “history” but which are in fact pseudo-historical discourses intended to lend credibility to present-day political propositions by claiming that they have their roots in some “eternal” historical phenomenon. The Israel Lobby is the principal offender, but not the only one (the Holocaust deniers are another example).
Secondly, the original nazi plan was not to kill the Jews, but simply to “get rid” of them but most could not find a country willing to give them a visa (least of all the US!). Hitler toyed with the idea of sending the Jews to Palestine but abandoned it when he realised it it was much more useful to him to court Arab nationalist support (in Egypt and Syria, for example) for the wars he was planning with Britain and France. Thus, the various “deals” mentioned in the article are not really surprising.

By: dino

dino — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 11:24:01 +0000

Remember Bibi ridicule demagogue speaking at UN and asking the listeners “have you not a bit of decency?” .He held in his hand in his hand two documents which ,after him proved the final solution in the Nazi period and he addressed to whom remained and listened to Mr.Ahmadinejad who spoke a day before and the demagogue wanted to do the stupid comparison between Hitler and Ahmadinejad.Bibi was ,almost sure,the vice in foreign minister while the minister was Shamir.Exactly when Wansee conference occured ,a long time after rasial rules of Nuremberg,Shamir wrote a letter to Nazi ambassador in Turkey:”Guidelines for the proposal of the National Military Organization in
Palestine, concerning the solution of the Jewish question in Europe,
AND THE ACTIVE PARTICIPATION OF THE NATIONAL MILITARY ORGANIZATION
IN THE WAR ON THE SIDE OF GERMANY (My emphasis, B.M.).

“… The National Military Organization, being aware of the positive
approach of the Reich’s government to Zionist activity inside
Germany, and to the Zionist emigration plans, believes that:

“1. A common interest is possible between the establishment of a new
order in Europe according to the German conception, and the
national aspirations of the Jewish people, as expressed by the
National Military Organization.

“2. Cooperation is possible in the future between the New Germany and
a New Hebrew National Entity. (In German — Voelkisch-Nationalen)

“3. The establishment of the historical Jewish state on a national
and totalitarian basis, which will maintain contacts with the
German Reich, is a German interest, for strengthening and
protecting the German power posts which will be established in
the near future in the Near East.

“Based on these points, and under the condition that the government
of the German Reich recognize the national claims mentioned above,
the National Military Organization offers to take an active part in
the war on the side of Germany.

” …

“Cooperation with the Israeli liberation movement is also in
accordance with one of the latest speeches of the
Reichskantsler[sp?], in which Mr. Hitler emphasized that he will use
any combination and any coalition in order to isolate the British
and beat them…”

Shamir was also prime minister ,and Yait stern is a very respected person along with their Lehi in the “Jewish democracy”.

By: mary

mary — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 10:52:18 +0000

Gideon Levy says it powerfully from within the ‘belly of the beast’.

America, stop sucking up to Israel

Barack Obama has been busy – offering the Jewish People blessings for Rosh Hashanah, and recording a flattering video for the President’s Conference in Jerusalem and another for Yitzhak Rabin’s memorial rally. Only Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah surpasses him in terms of sheer output of recorded remarks.

In all the videos, Obama heaps sticky-sweet praise on Israel, even though he has spent nearly a year fruitlessly lobbying for Israel to be so kind as to do something, anything – even just a temporary freeze on settlement building – to advance the peace process…

Before no other country on the planet does the United States kneel and plead like this. In other trouble spots, America takes a different tone. It bombs in Afghanistan, invades Iraq and threatens sanctions against Iran and North Korea. Did anyone in Washington consider begging Saddam Hussein to withdraw from occupied territory in Kuwait?

But Israel the occupier, the stubborn contrarian that continues to mock America and the world by building settlements and abusing the Palestinians, receives different treatment. Another massage to the national ego in one video, more embarrassing praise in another…

Israel of 2009 is a spoiled country, arrogant and condescending, convinced that it deserves everything and that it has the power to make a fool of America and the world. The United States has engendered this situation, which endangers the entire Mideast and Israel itself. That is why there needs to be a turning point in the coming year – Washington needs to finally say no to Israel and the occupation. An unambiguous, presidential no.

By: jon s

jon s — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 05:55:32 +0000

I see I have aquired a title :” Zionist DV poster”. I’ll try to live up to it.
Kalidas, I wasn’t being sarcastic at all. Much -though not all- of the serious Holocaust research is carried out in Israeli institutions. I’m sorry , but I don’t know what Dutch moon rock you’re referring to.
B99, the Grand Mufti met with Hitler himself, so your analogy is hardly correct. During the 1930s the Nazis were trying to get rid of as many Jews as possible, so Jewish organizations were trying to find countries that would take them in, and the Zionists of course preferred that their destination be the Land of Israel. At this point no-one imagined that the Nazi policy would lead to physical annihilation. In hindsight the rescue efforts should have been more urgent and less picky . In any case the Nazis ultimately wanted to murder as many Jews as they could, and the Zionists wanted to save as many as they could, they were at cross-purposes, so how could they have “collaborated”?
The roots of Zionist ideology are entangled in several 19th and 20th century ideologies , including nationalism, liberalism and socialism, also on elements of the Jewish faith and traditions.

By: B99

B99 — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:01:18 +0000

I have written here of the collaboration of Zionism with the Nazi leadership, a phenomenon that goes back to the early 1930s and continued up to the eve of WWII. Much of my material I’ve gotten from Brenner. Of course, the Zionists on DV have just assumed I was lying, and instead brought up alleged Palestinian cooperation with the Nazis – specifically that of the Grand Mufti. However, the GM was a British appointee, and his visits with Nazis was about on par with that of an ambassador from Burundi trying to get the ear of under assistant secretary for African Affairs in the Bush Administration – i.e., a joke of a collaboration.

The roots of Zionist an Nazi ideology are entangled – they emerge from the belief in ‘blood and soil’ – blut und boden – an ideology in tune with the race based theories of humanity extant in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

The Zionist DV poster Jon S is correct in saying that related Holocaust research is carried out in Israel. Of course, it does not matter too much of their findings – Israel and the Israelis are still hellbent on violently disappearing the Palestinians and inhaling their land into Israel.

By: Ismail Zayid

Ismail Zayid — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 00:08:13 +0000

Lenni Brenner’s analysis of the Zionist movement and the collaboration of its leaders with the Nazi criminals, illustrates clearly the opportunistic and unprincipled nature of the Zionist ideology, as well demonstrated in its actions and practices in relation to Palestine and the Palestinian people.

By: kalidas

kalidas — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:57:22 +0000

Now who’s being sarcastic?
Surely you’re not serious.

The same types and methods of “scholarship” and “research” as applied to, say, the field of Biblical archeology?

I wouldn’t trade that pomegranate from the Temple of David for all the oil wells in Israel.
Maybe for the Dutch “moon rock.”

By: jon s

jon s — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:18:39 +0000

Kalidas,
I thought I had detected a hint of sarcasm… maybe I was mistaken.
In any case, if the scholarship is sound, it shouldn’t make much of a difference if the author is a Zionist or not. A significant proportion of Holocaust- related research is -quite naturally – being carried out in Israel. Such research should be judged on its professional merits.

By: kalidas

kalidas — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:45:28 +0000

What remarks are you speaking of, Jon?
I don’t see any holocaust remarks, per se.

If you’re referring to my absolute 100% disdain for Zionists scholars, then I gladly plead guilty.

If you’re referring to the Nuremberg remark, Jon, I’m only remembering what my father told me.
He was, after all, called to be a witness at Nuremberg.

If you’re referring to the dancing with the devil remark, Jon, then I choose to believe my lying eyes, thank you.

By: jon s

jon s — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:25:27 +0000

Kalidas,
Your sarcastic remarks about the Holocaust are not amusing, they are simply offensive.

By: kalidas

kalidas — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:40:05 +0000

Huh.. It looks like that old wives tale about dancing with the devil is true after all..
Who’d a thunk it?

Shucks, if you can’t trust all those Zionist holocaust scholars and historians, well, I mean, who can you trust?
(not to mention all that credible testimony from Abu Ghraib, errr, I mean Nuremberg)

By: bozhidar balkas vancouver

bozhidar balkas vancouver — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:13:31 +0000

In the regions occupied by italy from ’41 to sept ’43, deportation of jews was not allowed.
In former yugoslavia, even in ’41 there were ab. 10 k partizani that jews from other parts of yugoslavia and hungary which borders it cld have joined partizani or flooded occupied dalmatia from which they cld even sail to italy if that was a safer place for them.

And especially in view that Andrija Hebrang, the top communist leader of croatia and a partizan, was a jew.
Moshe Pijade was also a jew and after tito, djilas, rankovich, kardelj, and hebrang, the next top partizan leader.

Hebrang was executed soon after or during the war by tito because H. stood for an independent croatia. I cld never come across info how many ‘jews’ of yugoslavia actually joined partizani of albania, greece, monte negro, bosnia, slovenia, makedonia, serbia, and croatia.

At the end of war there were at least 500k partizani in first yugoslavia. So, there were oppurtunities for eurojews to escape from hungary, slovakia, austria.
Latvian, estonian, lith’n, and polish ‘jews’ cld have escaped to neighboring free parts of ukraine and USSR. go figure tnx